Hey everybody Rob Maurer here, welcome back to I guess formerly known as Tesla Daily, still Tesla Daily, but not actually Daily, I don't know what we're going to call it. But welcome back everybody, good to be here. We are going to talk about Tesla's earnings report today and later we'll do an earnings call live stream as well. So the link for the earnings call will be down in the description. If you are joining us not live, check the timestamps, I'll put a note on where the actual earnings release comes out. Until then though, I figured we could just spend a few minutes catching up, talking about Tesla. If you guys have questions, I didn't really have an agenda, so let me know what you're interested in hearing about. I do have a couple of things here that we'll talk about before we go into the earnings call and we can take a look at analyst consensus before we actually get the numbers as well. But otherwise I'll keep an eye on chat at the same time. But going to be back, bear with me, obviously it's been a little bit of time since I've done this so I'm sure it's not going to be quite as smooth as it once was, but we'll do our best here and we'll look forward to Tesla earnings today.
As we can see a bit of a recovery at least today. Obviously it's been a tough period here for Tesla, but up 2% right now as we head into close, but the market probably carrying most of the weight there, NASDAQ up 1.6% at the moment. We should be about 15 minutes away, probably about 20 minutes away from the shareholder deck release and then at 430 Central Time, 230 Pacific Time, the earnings call will start after that release. So we'll keep refreshing there. I guess maybe let's hop over to Excel and we can just look at analyst consensus quick.
So we've got everything set up ready to go here for when we do get the numbers and the favorite part, of course, of every quarter filling in the spreadsheet. But we'll see how those numbers come in. Of course we already got the delivery numbers, so 386,810 deliveries. Tesla for the first time actually pre-released the energy storage deliveries as well with 4,000 megawatt hours. So I believe that they mentioned that that was a record, although it's been relatively close to previous quarters, particularly Q1 and Q3 last year. So nice to see that. I think hopefully we'll start to see that trend up even quite a bit further though, as we see more progress with the megafactories happening sometime soon.
Analyst consensus, normally I've got my forecast over here and I actually intended to have a forecast, but unfortunately it's been, well, not unfortunately, but it's just been a little bit busier over the last couple of days with the first principles group than the original plan that I had, which would have left some time to do that. But either way, my forecast for the last few quarters have been pretty close to analyst consensus anyway. So I think they've been within a couple of cents and there's some differences between each line and how it all comes together, but relatively not too different. So shouldn't be a huge loss, hopefully, although as I say, with forecasting, it's really helpful to go through and just kind of understand what is driving things. So not having done that this time, that does put me at a bit of a disadvantage when we discuss things, but we'll do our best. We'll sort through it as we get the numbers.
So anyway, analyst consensus obviously is in line with what was pre-released for deliveries and energy storage, energy generation, they're expecting a little bit of an increase here sequentially up to 54 megawatts. Global sales at about $21.8 billion. So of course, this would be quite a dip from what we saw in Q4, but we've got a hundred thousand less deliveries. So very much expected that revenues would be declining, particularly in automotive. We'll see in terms of how much regulatory credits the last two quarters have actually been pretty significant. So Tesla's at maybe a bit of a disadvantage there from a regulatory credit perspective as well. And Q1 last year was also quite high for regulatory credit. So we'll see. There may be things this quarter with FSD, maybe Tesla releases some of the deferred FSD revenue. There's quite a bit of that sitting on the balance sheet. So that could boost things in this automotive sales line. It'll be an item to watch for if we do see things come in, perhaps significantly better than expected. That could be a likely candidate for driving that.
Energy sales looks like $1.8 billion. I think that'd probably be a little bit higher average selling price forecast than maybe what we saw the last quarter. So we'll see on that, given that we already know the exact number of megawatt hours deployed. Service in others, not to services in other, not too different than what we've seen for the past couple of quarters in terms of the forecast. Total gross profit, obviously with fewer revenues, you're going to have a little bit less gross profit, gross margin. And also expecting that to drop a little bit, which makes sense with lower volume, you're getting less leverage. And of course, average selling prices every quarter, as well as average cost of goods sold. So we'll see a question mark, which we will try to calculate when we do get the numbers. So analysts are expecting about a 6% operating margin, again, a little bit lower than what we have seen. 49 cents, non-gap earnings per share, which would be down both year over year and quarter over quarter, again, obviously driven by deliveries, and 36 cents gap earnings per share, which would put us at $2.24 trailing 12 months. So if we're at $1.45 right now in terms of the share price, that'd be about 64 times earnings. Of course, if you look up the PE, the price earnings ratio somewhere, it is going to show a different number.
And that's because the last quarter tests are released that one time non-cash tax benefit from the deferred tax allowance, which really boosted earnings per share. But it's non-cash. It's really inconsequential and obviously non-repeating. So it's best to factor that out when you're looking at anything with gap earnings for this period. And then free cash flow, they're expecting a little bit negative, and that would be driven by production outpacing deliveries pretty significantly. Whenever you have that, it's going to make free cash flow more challenging because you're building your inventory, which obviously costs cash to do. And eventually sell those vehicles that'll bring cash in in a later period. All right. Hopefully everything sounded OK.
Looks like we got some chats here. Bruce, thank you. Appreciate that. Let me just look through. Lyle, thank you. Appreciate it. John, thank you. Always good to see you. I saw a chat from you earlier that said you had given up on me, John. Everyone says I should do it at least quarterly, guys. That was the plan. I'm going to keep doing it quarterly around earnings. I think I said that before. So maybe at some point, we can do it more frequently. Like I said, there's a lot going on with other projects right now. So, but eventually maybe the frequency can be a little bit higher.
John, thank you again. Jack, thank you. Yeah, I understand that the stock price is not where any of us would hope it would be. We can talk maybe a little bit about my thoughts on that here in a second. John, thank you. Luna Clinks, thank you. All right. Let me flip back to Safari. We're still about 10 minutes out for market close. Let's see. Still about 10 minutes out for market close when we get the, well, when the window opens for possible release of the shareholder deck, usually that's within about 10 minutes after market close. So we'll probably have to wait a bit and see on that. But until then, I guess a couple of things I want to mention, I guess we'll look at this quick.
So the performance model three came out today. Obviously, we've seen a lot of pre-press events happening for this. If you've been following it at all, this is not terribly surprising that this is now being released. What's exciting though is that they did find a way to make this qualify for the federal tax credit, so $7,500 federal tax credit eligibility, which is interesting because the long range all-wheel drive model three is actually not. So if you're looking at the sort of with savings price on the design studio, you're going to notice that the performance model three because of that tax credit is potentially actually cheaper for those that are eligible than the long range all-wheel drive.
So it could actually be some pretty decent volume on this vehicle, depending on eligibility ratios for buyers of this product. It would make it pretty compelling to purchase over a more expensive long range all-wheel drive. But of course, with the performance, you're getting a little bit less range, probably due to the larger wheels. Seems like there are some battery differences just because of the eligibility difference here for the tax credit. So we don't know exactly. I don't think we know the kilowatt hour per pack for each of these vehicles. But that could be driving a little bit of the difference, like I said, the wheels.
And then with the powertrain and the aerodynamics and things like that, there are some tweaks here as well. So that's going to affect your range. So all being said, 341-mile estimated range on the long range version versus 296 for the performance is actually a pretty significant difference. But you're getting a lot of advantages, of course, with the performance as well. Interestingly, they've added a custom front fascia here. I believe the back is also a little bit different too between the two versions. You can see there. So anyway, the performance specs here, as I'm sure most of you have seen, we probably don't need to spend too much time on it. But 2.9 seconds, 0 to 60.
So that's pretty exciting. I mean, I think Elon posted on next today that this is faster than at least some versions of the Porsche 911. So for this to be the case for a car that's around $50,000 with tax credit, below $45,000 or maybe just right at that, I think it's pretty impressive. And if you think about what the average car costs nowadays in the United States, I think that average selling price is probably above that. So to get a car with this much capability, plus all of the benefits of the highland update, which are also present now, of course, in the performance version, pretty compelling to say the least. So exciting and congrats to Tesla for the release on that. Of course, we've been waiting a little bit for that since the highland update. So exciting to see that.
Another hot topic, of course, is the proxy vote that will be upcoming. So I would encourage everyone to vote your shares. These votes are very important, especially in this case, as we know, the Elon Musk compensation plan from 2018 will be voted on again. Of course, Delaware, for the time being, has ruled against this. So it has put Elon's compensation package in jeopardy. Hopefully everyone knows my opinion on this. We've been present. Tesla daily existed prior to that compensation plan, even being proposed. If you go back and listen to the episodes around that time, obviously my feedback was extremely favorable towards that. I never felt like I was misled at any point in time.
I mean, it seems pretty clear. You're going to 10x the value of the company. And if you do that, you get a big chunk of equity. And if you don't, then you get nothing. That seems extremely fair, extremely shareholder friendly to me. So I don't see how anyone could have an issue with that, even in hindsight, no matter what sort of alleged conflicts of interest existed. That's, I think, going to always be a good deal for shareholders. So I don't really understand how anyone could be critical of it, honestly.
I mean, even at the time, people called it ridiculous because people assume that there was no chance that Tesla would become a $450 billion market cap company, which would be by a significant amount more than any other automaker at the time. I don't know. People are just forgetting the loftiness of these targets because they were achieved or what's going on. But it's disappointing that it's come to this. I certainly will be voting, yes, for Elon to get that compensation plan. If anyone has an argument against it, most of the arguments I've seen have to do with recent things that should not come into, in my opinion, should not be a factor for a compensation plan that was voted on in 2018 that was then subsequently achieved. Performance sense then shouldn't really matter. And that's actually also a part of the plan because this is an equity reward. So if the value of the equity declined significantly, so does the value of the reward, especially because part of the structure of this equity reward is that Elon would have to hold the shares for a five year period after they are either vested or exercised. I'd have to look back at what specifically the language is. But even once earned, you still have to hold it for five years. So if the value of the equity tanks, then so does the value of the award. So yeah, we went through all this stuff all the time or through that period of time. It's I think very much in shareholders favor at the time and obviously was tremendously rewarding to shareholders and also, of course, to Elon as well. But those are my thoughts on it. So if anyone has an actual criticism of that that doesn't relate to anything that has happened after that, please let me know and maybe I can try to respond to that. But so I don't think voting is actually open yet. I think that's going to open up maybe sometime in the next week. Just keep an eye out. People will have instructions on how to make sure that you're voting for that.
All right, let's see. I'm just reading through some of the chats here. We've got about five minutes until market close. James, thank you. Appreciate that. I'm kind of just looking through here to see if I see any valid or invalid criticisms of the compensation plan. I would guess that a lot of us here on the same page, but I've actually been kind of surprised at some of what I've seen that has been against it. Nikolai, how do you assess risk around the upcoming shareholder vote, specifically approving Elon's 2018 comp package and the potential for this not passing another shareholder vote? It's a good question. So I personally think it will pass. I mean, we saw the support that Elon had last year at the shareholder meeting. And it's not like that was a great period of time for Tesla at that point either. I guess kind of a run up into the shareholder meeting last year, which I think was probably around June. But that was certainly following a very difficult period. Some of the voting may have happened during that period of time for Tesla to you, where things weren't all that great. I'm sure you guys remember the advertising push and conversation around the shareholder meeting last year. But nevertheless, Elon had strong support from shareholders. I would expect and hope that that is still the case again today with this new proxy vote. So I think it'll pass, but it's important to make sure that you're voting. I think if there were a no vote, certainly that would put, you know, a lot more doubt on Elon's position with Tesla going forward than there would be with a yes vote. So I'm certainly one that wants Elon to remain at Tesla for quite some time. So I think it's tricky because some market participants might actually, you know, be relieved or be happy if if Elon were to leave Tesla. And I'm sure there would be people that would push for that. Again, I would not be in that camp at all.
I think it would be very detrimental to Tesla's future. So it's not something I want to see. The impact of the stock, I do think it would probably be pretty negative. But like I said, maybe it's hard to assess that because maybe some people have a different opinion that are also, you know, driving the share price. So tough to say for sure. Let's see. Elon stated he wants influence of the development of AI, what's stopping him from migrating autonomy development to XAI. He then controls AI and Tesla just licenses software from XAI. Yeah, I think we've talked a little bit about XAI and kind of the role that the two companies would play. I think there is going to be, you know, some degree of collaboration between them. Obviously, Tesla's got the hardware and the hardware that's collecting data. So maybe they licensed that out to XAI. I'm not really sure exactly how any plans to structure things there would be. But as we saw Elon post on X a couple of days ago, it does seem like there's intent to integrate Groc into Tesla vehicles. So there's clearly going to be some collaborating happening here at some point. But I don't think Elon is just going to move over, you know, all of Tesla's AI efforts to XAI, like maybe as the question that's being asked there. I wouldn't be surprised to obviously close partnership, but I think they're still going to both play their own roles for sure.
All right, we're getting close to market close. Oh, here's a good one. I meant to talk about this. So yeah, there's been a lot about like the model two and Robo taxi and what's going on. And we've now got the Robo taxi on Vale date for August 8th. So pretty excited about that. I think there's probably some degree of truth in that Reuters report that I don't know if they said that the next generation low cost vehicles post pwned in favor of the Robo taxi or if it was canceled, I would have to go back and read it. Elon of course said that Reuters is flying again. And I think there are probably parts of the report that are, you know, maybe close to accurate parts of the report that are not for me. What was frustrating is that they seem to intertwine EV sales in China into this article for some reason, which if you read through it, none of the information that they claim to have gotten from anyone made those connections. It was literally just Reuters putting all of that in there. So super misleading reporting. Either way, I think Tesla is very happy with the progress on version 12 of FSD. I'm personally very happy it's been a huge step forward in Chicago. And if we can see that sort of pace of progress continue, I think there's a very good reasons to be optimistic on on the progress of FSD with with of course a big transition with version 12 over to N10 neural networks. Plus now Tesla not being as compute constrained. Hopefully we're now established with an architecture that can allow faster progress, not that we haven't seen progress, but if this can allow faster progress, I think that'll start to open a lot of eyes, which I think a lot of eyes are already starting to be open with with version 12.
So anyway, going back to the question on, you know, model two, Robo taxi, et cetera. I think it's likely that Tesla has prioritized the Robo taxi. And I think that's probably a result of the success and, you know, the trend that they're seeing with autonomous capabilities with version 12.
And if you think about the degree of these projects, like I've seen a lot of people say, like, why not just do them both at the same time? And if they were very similar vehicles, sure do them both at the same time. But I also think we should think about like what that sort of a request is actually asking because if you think about both of these products in isolation, let's talk about this quote unquote model two, whoever, you know, whatever the name ends up being.
Everyone expects this to be probably the most consequential vehicle product, you know, maybe ever. You could argue that that's already been, you know, the model Y, the model three, you could make arguments for the model S just in terms of where the trend has been. But this next generation vehicle, it would do more volume than all of them.
And it would, you know, potentially certainly it would be among the handful of most important products in automotive history. So think about what that means. And then think about saying you should do that. You should make the most consequential one of the most consequential products in automotive history.
But also you should do something else, which is has the same degree of consequence at the exact same time. And if you phrase it like that, hopefully it's clear how kind of ridiculous that type of request would be. Sorry, it's getting really bright in here, but to ask a company to do both of those things at the same time, you know, it's obviously pretty ridiculous.
So for one of them to take priority over the other based on what Tesla is seeing with FSD and their confidence there, you know, we know how the track record has been on that. So I'm not saying one way or the other if it's the right decision. But if you believe that that's coming sometime in the next few years, even if it is like three years away, this is a decade long sort of platform, right?
So if you miss it by a year or two, it still can end up being the right choice to focus on that Robotaxi over the other one, you know, in that case. So I get that it's more risky certainly, but I think there's, you know, valid reasons to kind of pursue that strategy. So we may be getting close here to a learning is released. Let me just make sure I'm not just talking.
As we actually get the report. And usually the stock price kind of gives us our first tent that actually being released. So I don't know if I've expressed all my thoughts on Robotaxi model two. I'll keep thinking about that, but it is a good question. And obviously has been probably having a bit of influence on the stock as of late.
All right, just give me one second here. I'm going to try to tone this brightness down a little bit. I probably just have to keep adjusting that based on the sun. All right. Let's see. Oh, up 4% seems like something maybe is out. All right, let's try this little trick here again, because I'm not seeing it yet. Of course, my computer doesn't even want to open that.
All right, it is. So we not hacked on the URL again, but we've got it up here. So we'll just take a quick peek at earnings per share. Looks like it's a bit below street consensus. 45 cents per share. 49 was the analyst consensus. So it's interesting that the algorithms are right now pushing the stock up 5%. Not sure what's driving that, but definitely nice to see.
All right, well, let's read through and figure out what's going on. Try not to cover things up here. All right, so highlights $1.2 billion gap operating income in Q1. I think that's about 100 million less than analyst consensus, probably similar for gap net income there and non-gap as well. We'll check those numbers later. Operating cash flow of 200 million in Q1, free cash flow negative two and a half billion in Q1. AI infrastructure capex was $1 billion in Q1. 2.2 billion dollar decrease in cash and investments to 26.9 billion. Operations increased AI training compute by more than 130% in Q1. Record energy storage like we know and produced over 1000 cyber trucks in a single week in April. Also a topic that we hadn't talked about yet, but of course we saw from the recall that there had been about 3900 cyber trucks produced through mid-April or actually delivered through mid-April, which I looked back at my forecast from Q3, Q4. That was actually pretty well ahead of what I would have expected. I'm pretty happy with how the cyber truck ramp has gone thus far. Of course, there's that little recall, which is getting way too much attention, but such is the case with such a dynamic vehicle that is so unusual. Plus Tesla, plus Elon, etc.
All right, summary. We experienced numerous challenges in Q1 from the Red Sea conflict and the arson attack at Giga Berlin to the gradual ramp of the updated Model 3 in Fremont, excluding cyber truck and unscheduled downtime. Our cost of goods sold per unit declined, sequentially driven primarily by lower raw material costs. Global EV sales continue to be under pressure as many car makers prioritize hybrids over EVs, while positive for our regulatory credit business. We prefer the industry continue pushing EV adoption, which is in line with our mission. To support our growth, we've been increasing awareness and expanding vehicle financing programs, including attractive leasing terms for our customers. It's interesting that leasing is so low, it's such a low percent, it's like 2% of Tesla's deliveries. Maybe because of the buyouts, we can talk more about that.
Continuing on, Tesla says, while many are pulling back on their investments, we are investing in future growth, including our infrastructure, production capacity, our supercharger and service networks, and new products infrastructure, with $2.8 billion of capital expenditures in Q1. It's a lot. We recently undertook a cost cutting exercise to increase operational efficiency. We also remain committed to company-wide cost reduction, including reducing cost of goods sold per vehicle. Ultimately, we are focused on profitable growth, including by leveraging existing factories and production lines to introduce new and more affordable products. The future is not only electric, but also autonomous. We believe scaled autonomy is only possible with data from millions of vehicles and an immense AI training cluster. We have and continue to expand both. To make FST supervised more accessible, we reduced the price of subscription to $99 a month and purchased to $8,000 in the US. Here we have our financial recap. Again, I think revenue, this is, let me just check real quick, but this is about $500 million short of consensus on the total revenue line. We talked about some of the lower lines, operating margin of 5.5%, analyst consensus was 6%. Let's just see here. Stock up 5. It's interesting. I'm pleased to see it. It's a little bit surprising for sure, given that this is a little bit below consensus in terms of the results, but let's keep going through and see what we can see. All right, total revenue decline, 9% year over year, revenue impacted by the following items, so reduced ASP, excluding foreign exchange impact, unfavorable mix of vehicles, also decline in vehicle deliveries, partially due to Model 3 and Kia Berlin, like we had mentioned, negative foreign exchange impact of $200 million, offset a little bit by growth in other parts of the business and higher FST revenue recognition year over year due to release of auto park feature in North America. So we'll have to see if that exact number is disclosed anywhere. If not, we should get that in the 10Q.
For profitability, operating income decreased to $1.2 billion, 5.5% operating margin. Year over year operating income was primarily impacted by the following items. ASP and mix increased operating expenses, partly driven by AI, cell advancements, and other R&D projects, cost of the cyber truck production ramp, decline in vehicle deliveries, like we had talked about, offset a little bit by lower cost per vehicle, growth profit growth and energy storage and generation, including IRA credit benefit, higher FST revenue recognition year over year. Then quarter in cash we had talked about sequential decline of $2.2 billion. So like we had talked about prior to this starting, some of that driven by inventory, with inventory increasing $2.7 billion and a lot of AI infrastructure capital expenditures.
Production and deliveries we already got, as we can see, a very low percentage of those deliveries are subject to lease accounting, vehicle inventory, which we could have calculated previously up to 28 days of supply, a large number for Tesla, but still quite low relative to other automakers in general. So, we already knew, and then of course continued growth in infrastructure. Alright, vehicle capacity, we'll compare this chart real quickly versus Q4. I always like to see if there's any differences there. Alright, so this is Q4. I'm just gonna flip back and forth between the two. So it looks like they're all the same, except we got a couple of greater than signs added. So we got a greater than sign added on Model 3 and Model Y California capacity. That was 550k before, now greater than 550k. And then I believe the other one was for Berlin. Q4 said 375k Model Y. Now they're saying greater than 375k. And all the rest are the same. Let's look at these other projects. Tesla, semi and pilot production and development and development, pilot production and development and development. So nothing new there, just those couple of greater than signs.
生产和交付已经得到了,我们可以看到,只有很少一部分交付物被列入租赁会计,包括车辆库存,我们之前可以预计供应量高达28天,对于特斯拉来说这个数字很大,但相对于其他汽车制造商来说仍然相当低。所以,我们已经知道了,当然还有基础设施的持续增长。好的,车辆产能,我们将快速比较这张图与第四季度的情况。我总是喜欢看看有没有什么不同。所以这是第四季度。我会快速地来回比较这两者。看起来除了有几个大于号被添加外,其他都一样。所以在Model 3和Model Y加利福尼亚的产能上加了一个大于号。之前是550k,现在是大于550k。然后我相信另一个是柏林。第四季度说是375k Model Y。现在他们说是大于375k。其他都是一样的。让我们看看这些其他项目。特斯拉,半挂车和试制生产和开发,开发,试制生产和开发,开发。没有什么新鲜事,只是那几个大于号。
So let me close Q4, make sure we're in the right notes still, which we are. Alright, vehicle capacity. Sequential decline in volumes partially caused by what we've talked about before. US Model 3 production in Fremont down sequentially has changed the production line to the updated model sequentially model Y production at Gigafactory Texas increased to an all time high. While Cog's per unit improved to an all time low, the Cybertruck ramp continued successfully at Gigafactory Texas with sequential cost improvement in Q1 produced over 1000 Cybertrucks in a single week in April. Production at Gigafactory high was down sequentially due to seasonality and planned shutdowns around Chinese New Year in Q1, typically demand improves throughout the year. As we enter new markets, such as Chile, many of them will be supplied from Gigafactory high. Interesting.
Model Y production in Berlin down sequentially due to impacts from the Red Sea conflict and arson attack despite auto capacity charges and other costs from production disruptions, Cog's per unit continued to decline sequentially. So that's a good sign if production capacity can be fully utilized in the future. It's nice to see that the costs are still declining despite some of those production disruptions. Here we can see market share. So obviously disappointing it to see a little bit of a drop here for Tesla market share looks like kind of across all regions, but no surprise when you have such a sequential decline in deliveries that would end up being the case. Hopefully we see this return in future quarters, but obviously this is a big part, you know, among other things of the stock performance that we've seen for the last, you know, a little while here. Fix that brightness again.
All right, technology. So this is probably perhaps the most important slide at the moment. Um, AI software and hardware. We've been investing in the hardware and software ecosystems necessary to achieve vehicle autonomy and a ride hailing service. We believe a scalable and profitable autonomy business can be realized through a vision only architecture with N10 neural networks trained on billions of miles of real world data. Since the launch of S FSD supervised V12 earlier this year, it has become clear that this architecture long pursued by Tesla is the right solution for scalable autonomy to further improve our N10 training capacity or capability. We will continue to increase our core AI infrastructure capacity in the coming months. In Q1, we completed the transition to hardware 4.0, our latest in vehicle computer with increased inference processing power and improved cameras. Take a look at these graphs in a second. Sun is out of control. We rolled out FSD supervised with a 30 day free trial to eligible cars in the U.S. and Canada. FSD supervised can change lanes. Yeah, we know what it can do. We released auto park to existing FSD enhanced autopilot customers currently working on ride hailing functionality that will be available in the future. We believe the Tesla software experience is best in class across all our products and plan to seamlessly layer ride hailing into the Tesla app. So Tesla Network, a concept that has been talked about for a long time, Tesla now starting to talk about it a little bit more. Now whether or not you really believe that that will be something that is coming soon or if it's just something that Tesla's trying to add here to soften the blow of the rest of the business up to your interpretation. But hopefully we've all seen that FSD version 12 has been a good step forward.
And I think the biggest question right now would be can those types of big steps forward continue with a frequent pace. And so far we've seen quite a few releases. I don't know that those releases have been those big steps forward yet, but they've also been the 12.3.4, 12.3.5. So not even, you know, second point releases. Hopefully, Elon has posted a couple times on X over the last couple of days regarding 12.3, sorry, 12.4 and 12.5. Hopefully those are kind of the big steps that we we would love to see. We'll look at this battery powertrain manufacturing quick. 4680 ramp continued successfully and Q1 continues to stay ahead of the Cybertruck ramp cost continue to come down sequentially as scrap yield and production rate improved. I'm sure we'll talk a bit more about that on the call.
Obviously, we haven't talked about Drew yet, but Sadnessy drew the company after 18 years, of course, it's very long tenure. Very thankful to all Drew's contributions throughout the years and definitely will be sad to see him go. You know, it's definitely definitely always sad when executives leave. That being said, you know, that's a very long time to spend a Tesla. We've seen high level executives depart in the past. And while it can be a sign of something that's negative, it doesn't necessarily have to be. So, you know, it'll be exciting to see what Drew does from here and exciting to see who steps up into that kind of a role that is now potentially a little bit more open at Tesla. All right, so miles driven. Let's see what we're looking at here. FSDV 12 miles, FSD miles. So it looks like we're over 1.3, a little bit over 1.2 billion miles driven on FSD, which I think, you know, it wasn't too long ago that they had just crossed a billion. So we're seeing how quickly these are increasing. Of course, a lot of that driven by the free trial that Tesla had started offering. Now, with the lower subscription price, the lower purchase price, hopefully we do see a higher adoption rate for FSD, higher take rate, and continue to see this training increase. And of course, the fleet growing also helps.
Tesla AI training capacity. So that's a beautiful graph right there. So this would be an H100 equivalent GPU's. So Tesla had previously shown us a graph of their targets in A100 equivalents. I think they had intended to get that to, I don't know, 100,000, 200,000 or so, maybe 300,000 within the next sort of 18 months from when that was released. And the curve looked like this, but probably honestly even less steep than what we're seeing here. So it's exciting to see this. And as Tesla said, they're continuing to invest aggressively to increase their training capabilities. But if you just think about where where Tesla was, and I don't know, for version 11, you're probably looking at, you know, training off of sort of this set of data, so maybe less than half miles driven on FSD. Of course, there's shadow miles and things like that. But maybe less than half miles driven on FSD. Maybe I don't know, a 10 of the training capacity that they have now. And if this is already unlocked, what seems to be a pretty big step up as this continues to grow and as this continues to grow, and they get more time to actually utilize this, hopefully, you know, we really start to see those big steps, big steps continue because, you know, we're looking at an order of magnitude difference in terms of training capability from where Tesla is at today versus where they were even just, I don't know, six months ago, maybe eight months ago. So it's pretty massive difference. And hopefully again, the architecture is such that Tesla can really take advantage full advantage of those differences. So very exciting to see this chart, obviously. All right, other highlights, not out of business is becoming an increasingly profitable part of Tesla. Megapack continues to ramp. Great. Energy storage deployments increase sequentially to record 4.1 gigawatt hours. Energy generation and storage revenue and gross profit also achieved an all time high in Q1. Revenue is up 7% year over year. Gross profit, 140% year over year. Driven by increased megapack deployments, partially offset by a decrease in solar deployments. Energy generation and storage remains our highest margin business. Our second general assembly line is now commissioned. And we continue to ramp to our 40 gigawatt hour mega factory in way through California toward full capacity. Great. So sort of a not, I don't know if you'd call 7% small, it's still pretty decent year over year growth, small for the numbers that Tesla has put up historically, but 7% year over growth and revenue, 140% year over year growth and gross profit. And obviously, we've already started to see that in previous quarters, but nice to see that profit being driven in the energy business.
Services and other grew 25% year over year in Q1, gross profit down 40%. So inverse of what we just talked about with energy, the biggest driver gross profit reduction year over year was lower used vehicle profit. So not surprising, partially offset by growth and gross profit from part sales. Starting at the end of February, we began opening North American supercharger network to more Tesla EV owners.
We continue to onboard OEMs who have committed to NACS over the coming quarters, while also opening up more sites to other EVs and regions outside North America, both of which should drive incremental revenue and profit generation. So here we can see energy storage deployments and non-automative gross profit sets a mix of, of course, energy, service and other.
All right, give me one second, take a drink here. It looks like we've got more words than usual on this outlook page. See what the stock is doing. Up 6%. Still not seeing exactly why the markets reacting in that way, but definitely we'll take it. All right, volume. Our company is currently between two major growth waves.
Make sure I'm not covering that. The first one we began with the global expansion of the Model 3 slash Y platform. And we believe the next one will be initiated by advances in autonomy and introduction of new products, including those built on our next generation vehicle platform.
In 2024, our vehicle growth rate may be notably lower than the growth rate achieved in 2023 as our teams work on the launch of the next generation vehicle and other products. In 2024, the growth rate of energy storage deployments and revenue in our energy storage and generation business should outpace the automotive business.
So that actually might be pretty similar to what we saw in Q4 in that section. We can go back and look, but cash, we have sufficient liquidity to fund our product roadmap, et cetera. Great. While we continue to execute on innovations to reduce cost of manufacturing operations, over time, we expect our hardware related profits to be accompanied by an acceleration of AI software and fleet-based profits.
All right, product, we have updated our future vehicle lineup to accelerate the launch of new models ahead of our previously communicated start of production in the second half of 2025. All right, well, this could be a reason the stock would be moving. These new vehicles, including more affordable models, will utilize aspects of the next generation platform, as well as aspects of our current platforms, and will be able to be produced on the same manufacturing lines as our current vehicle lineup.
This update may result in achieving less less cost reduction than previously expected, but enables us to prudently grow our vehicle volumes in a more capex efficient manner during uncertain times. This would help us fully utilize our current expected minimum, our current expected maximum capacity of close to 3 million vehicles, enabling more than 50% growth over 2023 production before investing in new manufacturing lines.
Our purpose built robot taxi product will continue to pursue a revolutionary unboxed manufacturing strategy. All right, we had to get all the way to the end, but that seems to be probably be a big factor in what's happening with the stock. So I just want to quickly look through here. We'll come back to that point though, because that is obviously an important update.
All right, EV adoption rate remains under pressure, especially outside of China. So, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people's hopes would be that this would be a little bit different of a graph where we'd just kind of continue to scale up and up. But kind of start to see things maybe plateauing a little bit.
And of course, with Tesla being a big portion of global BV market share, as Tesla results go, so does EV market share to an extent, not fully but to an extent, especially outside of China. So, you know, hopefully, we continue to see this grow in future years. Maybe we're just in a little bit of a rough spot right now sounds like some of the stuff that Tesla is doing can help re accelerate this, but we'll have to see.
All right, Tesla ecosystem. So I think this is, you know, a very, very well put together chart of things that we have talked about forever. So I think probably nothing here that we haven't really covered well, but just maps out all the areas that Tesla's involved in.
And of course, one of these gets a little bit more attention than the rest and not to say that there's not good reason for that, but it goes to show, you know, the commoner frame is that Tesla is an aggregation of a lot of different startups. And I think when you kind of look at things like this, you start to see some of that.
And, you know, some of these probably going to be successful, maybe some of them a little bit less successful. Obviously, the slower business is stagnated for quite some time. But if there are successes in some of these other areas, you know, there's a lot of potential within those. So again, stuff that we've talked about, but still nice to see it put together like that. That's the new performance model three. Cyber truck, nice to see all those. I'm sure everyone has seen the drone flyover videos and the just the volume that we're seeing them cyber truck these days. Supercharger network opening up in North America, if only. This is kind of funny because these are V3 superchargers. So these cars can actually charge like this. But it's a nice photo. And with V4, maybe they actually could.
你知道,这些项目中有一些可能会取得成功,也许有些会稍微不太成功。显然,这个发展缓慢的行业已经停滞了相当长时间。但如果在其他领域取得了成功,你知道,在其中有很大的潜力。所以再次说到我们谈论过的东西,但还是很高兴看到它们像这样汇聚在一起。这就是全新的Performance Model Three。塞伯特卡车,很高兴看到这些。我相信每个人都看过无人机飞越视频,以及我们现在看到的塞伯特卡车数量。北美超级充电网络开放了,如果真的有这么多V3充电站就好了。这有点有趣,因为这些是V3充电站。所以这些车实际上可以这样充电。但这是一张漂亮的照片。也许有了V4,他们真的能够这样做。
All right, ride hailing app. So Tesla putting this together. Maybe we zoom in a little bit here. Oh, try to zoom in a little bit here. All right, so we've got a summon feature. Just hold to order. The vehicle would come pick you up. This is looking like a cooler looking Uber can preset your climate, noting your capacity. A little bit more on the climate there. Riving now. And then you're out. I mean, it looks like a very well put together app from what we can see here. I mean, the visualizations look really nice. I don't, you know, in terms of solving robot taxi, I've always thought that this is. I mean, it seems pretty obviously that this would be the lower hanging fruit in terms of the challenges that need to be solved. But it is cool to see that Tesla's kind of got this development in the works. And yeah, I mean, it looks cool. Just get this back to normal size here if I can.
All right, dojo training cluster, not a render. That's exciting. I think Elon had been, I don't know if bearish is the right word, but maybe a little bit less optimistic on dojo. The last earnings call, he's always framed it as something that is maybe high risk, high reward, a little bit of a long shot. But cool to see this not a render here that looks exactly like rendering that we've seen in the past. Megapack. Tesla, semi started construction. I would love if they could start cranking out some Tesla semis. So it's good to see some work being done there. Cost grinds, squeezing every penny out of the vehicle cost. I'm sure this is something that Tesla has done many times.
All right, and then we've got our charts, and then we've got financials, which we'll go through, of course, as well in a bit. But I do want to go back and just want to read through this and make sure I'm understanding it and talk a little bit more about it. Stocks still have five. Great. All right, we have updated our future vehicle lineup to accelerate the launch of new models ahead of our previously communicated startup production in the second half of 2025. All right, so we're a little bit more than a quarter of the way through 2024. Second half of 2025, that'd basically be 18 months. They're accelerating above that, which means we should have a launch of a new model in 12 months, maybe even sooner, which is pretty exciting. These new vehicles, plural, including more affordable models, will utilize aspects of the next generation platform, as well as aspects of our current platforms, and will be able to be produced on the same manufacturing lines as our current vehicle lineup. So less cost reduction than the full unbox process might allow for, but allows for growth in vehicle volumes in a more cap cap ex-efficient manner. So to help us fully utilize our current expected maximum capacity of close to 3 million vehicles. So more fully utilized, that doesn't mean everyone should just expect, hey, it's going to go right to 3 million, but more fully utilize the 3 million capacity, enabling more than 50% growth over 2023 production, which I'd have to look but we know that was a little bit less than 2 million, I believe. Yeah, so more than 50% growth. Before investing in new manufacturing lines, purpose-built robot taxi product will continue to pursue, pursue, unbox manufacturing strategy.
All right, so if we put this together with the Reuters report, where who knows how much of that was accurate, how much of it was not. Like I said, I imagine there's some probably small part of that that is based in reality. And from what it sounds like from this update is that maybe the part of that that's based in reality is that maybe Tesla is putting off this, you know, next generation, unboxed, built vehicle, at least in one form, to then accelerate things that are now falling into sort of this bucket, which would be, you know, not fully in that next generation platform, but still utilizing some things from it. Also combining some things from Tesla's current manufacturing capacity and allowing those things to come to market sooner. Now, of course, that would be a target. Tesla will still have to execute on that, but to be able to do that and continue to growth, I think is something that, you know, unsurprisingly, the market is going to be liking. So it's, you know, I think it makes sense that there is some excitement. I'm excited about it too. For me, I'm always thinking long-term. So whether something happens in the first part of 2025 or the second half of 2025, to me, it doesn't really make too much of a difference. Like I've said many times before, I view this stage of Tesla as a stage that's important for providing the profitability, providing the cash flow to be able to make the investments in Tesla's next stage of growth, which I think is going to come as I've said many times from a couple of things. One would be the next generation platform, which is now, I guess, bifurcated a little bit between a couple of strategies. And then the second, of course, through FSD, autonomy. And then you get sort of like a three, you know, two, two B or something like that with with Tesla energy, which we've seen a lot of solid development with that business line as well. So I think those are the things to be excited about. This changes the path of that a little bit, where I don't think it changes too much in terms of the things I'm excited about really long-term with Tesla. But if the market can get a little bit excited about something happening a little bit more soon, obviously, you know, that's not going to hurt the share price and probably will be helpful like we're seeing here.
Now, the other thing that's potentially a little bit exciting here is that in about an hour, we should get a little bit more information, I would assume, about what exactly the plans are here on the earnings call. And again, I'll be doing my normal coverage for that. The link for that will be in the description today. All right, so let's see. I've seen some chats here. Appreciate those super chats. Thank you. So I mean, yeah, some pretty exciting stuff in here. I think people went into this with very low expectations, probably myself included. I did not have high expectations for this given, you know, the pressure on the business from the lower number of deliveries. And, you know, we're seeing some of the financial results come in a little bit below expectations. I still think, you know, we're in a period where Tesla is ramping up the cyber truck. They mentioned a couple of different challenges with Model 3 with the Gigabra Lin situation. And Q1 in general is just always a tough time. And if any of you have seen other results from other EV makers, man, it's been tough out there. Certainly not just Tesla that is facing challenges with EV sales at the moment. So I know a lot of the blame always just gets put to Elon. But, you know, if you look at these other companies that certainly would not be facing any impact from that, there's more going on in the EV market than just that.
So all right, maybe I'll top over to Excel and we'll start putting in some numbers here. I do think the non-numbers portion of this earnings report is much more consequential, much more interesting. But nevertheless, good to kind of just take a look at how things are flowing through and coming together. So we'll hop over to Excel for the most fun part of the day. If I can find it, we'll start crunching some numbers. All right, so energy, generation, and storage. Let's see. Did they take this off? I don't know if we get the solar number. I don't think we do. Sometimes I miss things, so I could be wrong and maybe it's in here somewhere, but I'm not seeing the energy generation portion broken out anymore. So that should tell you something, also just hop back to Safari here for a second.
I'm also not seeing solar roof particularly in here. I am seeing solar.
我在这里也没有看到太阳能屋顶,但有太阳能。
So I don't know. I'm not seeing energy generation though, so I guess we'll just have to leave that point for the time being and we'll move on to the other categories. Obviously, if we look at the trend here, it's been trending down. This is relatively really inconsequential to the overall scope of Tesla's business. I think it's just an area that people were excited about the potential for in the future. But in a high interest rate environment, solar gets much, much more challenging, so it's not terribly surprising that in an environment like that, that it comes along with a lot of struggles. Maybe that'll change in the future. Maybe not. It doesn't seem to be at the top of Tesla's priority list and probably makes sense that it's not. All right. Anyway, auto sales, that one we definitely have somewhere here. Okay, so total automotive revenues, I don't know if we get regular torque credits, although I thought that last time and then we did, so we'd probably do 17, 378. So yeah, like we said, not quite half a billion below analyst consensus. But let's see what regulatory credits looked like. So those were 442. So still pretty high, not much of a actually a small increase sequentially. But nothing, nothing insane that's driving it. We don't know that deferred FSD revenue portion yet, so that'll be interesting. It may be in the release, we may have to wait until the 10Q. So we've got 1635 here for energy sales. Yeah, I'm not surprised that that came in lower. That seemed like a high ASP estimate. Energy and then service and others, service is another 2288. So 21.03. So that matches up with the total revenue there. Let's hold on for a second before we calculate ASPs because we'll need some other information for that. So automotive profit, we just need to subtract out cost of goods. That's going to be 14166. And then energy profit, take out 1232. So yeah, another really healthy energy storage margin, 24.6% there. And then services and other, take out 2207. And then let's make sure that that total gross profit matches, which it does. Great. All right, so actually total gross margin percent beating expectations. So we must have higher operating costs here. Well, no, because we had higher lower margin or lower revenues. So we'll see. But I think that's one of the reasons that things are doing okay right now as well as all the product updates that we just talked about. I'm sure that's calculating something correctly. Should be fine.
So we're only seeing an 80 basis point decline in automotive gross margins quarter over quarter. And you got to consider that there were things in this quarter that were negative cost impacts like what they had talked about with K Berlin with the switch over for Model 3 Highland. Plus, of course, you just have a lot lower volume. And that has the reverse reverse economies of scale effect on average cost of goods sold. So that puts margin pressure on each individual vehicle that's sold. I think that holding up okay is something that the market's going to be relatively okay with. And it's nice to see, of course, the the improvement in energy gross margin. And services and other, we talked about that margin being down year over year, but actually still up sequentially quarter over quarter, not super materially, but whenever you see something that has kind of down trended for a few quarters, start to go back the other direction, that's always nice to see too. So overall margin percentage beating expectations and probably not driven too much by regulatory credits remains to be seen how much of that could be driven from FSD released revenue. All right, so R and D, we don't get an analyst consensus on that, but that was 1151. So pretty much in line with where we've seen things the last couple of quarters. SGNA was 1374. Of course, none of the CEO compensation, or I guess that's Bitcoin right there. Let's see. Yeah, nothing, nothing on that line. So total operating expenses, 2525. So a couple hundred million more in operating expenses than street estimates, which I'm not sure why they were quite so low. I think my estimate would have been a little bit higher, probably in between these two numbers. But you can see SGNA R and D both not relates you out of line, just slow sequential increases quarter over quarter. But when you have the revenue decline, of course, higher operating expenses, your operating margin is going to suffer, which it did this quarter, and of course down significantly year over year, and a little bit below analyst expectations.
All right, EBITDA was 3.4 billion almost. Non-Gapnet income. So yeah, I think I estimated maybe 100 million short of consensus. Looks like about 150 there. Stock based comp. Was 524. So that drove a, you know, 40 million dollars of the SGNA increase that we saw here of about 100. None of that would be CEO competition. Gapnet income, a couple hundred million short due to both lower non-Gapnet income, and a little bit higher stock based compensation. So that's going to drive this a little bit lower. Where if we look at that, we're at 34 cents gap. 45 cents non-Gap. So if we look at what the PE will show, it's going to show $3.92. So let's say we're at 150 now after market somewhere in that ballpark. We're going to be at a price earnings ratio. You're going to see a 38, but reality, we've got to take out this, you know, one time special item. So really we're at 222 over the last 12 months in gap earnings per share, which is about 68 times earnings, which is where we started the debt.
So um, you just see stocks up 6.6% so we're at 154 actually. So adjust as needed, but somewhere right around 69 times earnings, of course. All right, free cash flow. Let's see last number here. And then we can do the ASPs. Negative two five three one. Which of course, not surprising given the large inventory build and the significant cap expense that Tesla's had in the quarter. We'll see in the 10Q. I don't know if they would say this in the earnings report, but it sounds like their cap expleture is going up quite a bit. I know they had already increased it, but it seems like yet again, probably increasing. And since they talked about the product portion, like the actual vehicle manufacturing being less capital intensive with the current strategy, I mean, you can put two and two together, obviously significant AI investments being made.
All right, so let's see, let's look at ASP here. We've got most of this filled in. We've got to grab auto revenue from leasing. Okay. So that was 476. And then costs of leasing was 269. And deliveries was 8000 something. Let's see. 8365. All right, so those should be correct then. And I don't know, my formula must be. Must be off here. Let's see if that helps it. Cool. All right, year over year, average selling price down 8%, not terribly surprising, costs of goods sold though, also down 5% year over year. Sorry, that's a little bit messed up over there. And then sequentially looks like average selling price is actually held up, almost identical quarter over quarter. And hopefully a cyber truck will, well, cyber truck may not increase as a percent of mix just because this quarter was quite a bit low for other vehicle deliveries. So we'd have to see what that'll shake out to be.
But anyway, costs of goods sold increasing about $500 quarter over quarter, but still declining a couple, you know, $1,800 year over year. That quarter over quarter decrease or increase, sorry. I think Tesla in the earnings deck here said that it would have decreased quarter over quarter had there not been the Gigabra Lynn situation and the Model 3 Highland situation. So let me just flip back over, we can take a look at that note. So the arson attack at Gigabra Lynn, the gradual ramp of Model 3 Highland, excluding a cyber truck and unscheduled downtime, costs of goods sold per unit declined sequentially, even though we saw the $500 increase there. On the final bottom line costs.
All right, so like I said, I think most of the interesting things are coming from the actual shareholder letter versus these financials. Like I said, we're a little bit below analyst consensus, but you know, not so far below, I think most of the miss is probably coming from this revenue line. But the fact that average selling prices actually held up okay, I think is encouraging. Just thinking here, I wish we could see what analyst consensus was for regulatory credits, but probably somewhere in that range, maybe a bit lower. But I think always the big concern is how are average selling prices holding up? Maybe people wanted a little bit better number there just because of the decline in deliveries. You know, if you're selling less, maybe you're hoping you can get some at a little bit higher price, but Q1 versus Q4 is very different environment for automotive business. So nothing, I don't know, nothing else sticking out too much here to me. Like I said, the energy gross margin is really encouraging. You can see how that improved over the year, only 11% last year at relatively similar volume. You know, 4% increase in actual storage deployed. I think Tesla said 7% increase in revenue, which we could probably look at right there. But I think that's a lot of the biggest improvements in gross margins. So exciting to see that. And I think things are going to grow pretty significantly from here. I mean, in laythrough up, obviously 40 gigawatt hours of capacity coming online. So, you know, that's 10 gigawatt hours per quarter, of course. And then I think either this quarter or next quarter, they're going to start commissioning the, or maybe they're starting construction, I don't know, I would have to look again. But at some point relatively soon, we're going to be also starting to see a contribution from the second mega factory in China. So that's also 40 gigawatt hour capacity. We could be looking at five times this amount of volume. Maybe not next year, but once those are fully ramped up, that's where we'll be. So a lot of growth to come, I think, in energy storage, which is exciting, especially if it's happening at these margins. You know, you can do the math on what type of revenue contribution that would make, and how that looks relative to auto. It's not going to eclipse auto at that point, but it should be a bigger percentage of the total. And if it is happening at a higher gross margin, obviously that helps boost the bottom line for the overall business.
All right, I think that is, we got 8,000 people watching. Hey, everybody. And looked at that. I'm glad you guys were able to find it again. I never know what YouTube will recommend or not. All right, I'm going to flip back to the browser. I'm going to look at some chats here. I do see some super chats. Thank you. I greatly appreciate that guys. It's good to be back. Good to be back on a day that we get, you know, nice little stock price increase here, up 8%. That is nice. I think the market is really loving this, this revised plan, which I do have to kind of laugh at, right? It's like, the revised plan is basically to just do stuff faster, but maybe a little bit less well than they ultimately could do it. It's kind of what they're saying here. And maybe that's a negative framing of it because, you know, time is valuable, money is valuable, all that sort of stuff.
But essentially what they're saying is, you know, they're just going to do things a little bit more quickly, a little bit more capital light, then sort of going all in, and which may take a little bit longer, may ultimately be a little bit more efficient. But, you know, with the downside of it maybe being a period of very slow growth for a long time, which the market never likes those sort of things. So it's just a little bit amusing to me that that gets such a positive reaction. And it makes sense why it does, but it's just like, man, the short-sided nature in the markets is palpable, for sure. So I think this is responsible for a lot of it. I think the margins holding up is a nice sign to even if it was a little bit below, and all this consensus, I don't think it was so low that, you know, anyone was like terribly surprised by it or put off by where the margins are at. If Tesla can kind of keep these...
You know, they still did what? $3.7 billion in gross profit. So that's going to help pay their operating costs. You know, you can see the operating income here of, let's see, I know you can't see it right now, but $1.2 billion of operating income, and that's allowing them to spend, you know, a billion dollars a quarter on AI infrastructure. Now, obviously, cash flow is a little bit low, that's quarter as inventory builds up. But hopefully at some point that reverses and cash flow is positive while they're also making these investments. And of course, I don't, people seem to just forget about this massive advantage that Tesla has with having all these vehicles that are capable of providing this training data. And now all of that training data has become maybe 10 times more valuable in the last six months than it was before because of Tesla's compute capabilities.
So, like I said, when deliveries came out or I guess the night before deliveries came out, I mean, who really cares if it's 400,000, 400,000, 50,000, 386,000? Like you're moving the needle on operating income very slightly. The only people that care about that is people that are using that as a point of extrapolation, where you're looking at it and you're saying, Oh, operating income is declining. I'm going to continue to model that, you know, and then the future value of the company is way lower because you model that out for like 30 years.
So one point, whether it goes up or down a little bit, and you extrapolate off of that, it significantly changes how model might look. But that's not the reality of how the world works. And you can look back at all the bull's models from when the, you know, growth was happening very consistently, including my own, right? Like, if you look back at those periods, people are extrapolating off of what's, what's just happened. And as we can see now, that's just not a great way of going about projecting the future. So the extrapolation, which is responsible for most of the valuation at any given point in time for a high growth company like Tesla, or, you know, not so much high growth at the moment, but historically high growth, hopefully future high growth as well. Most of the value, like the fundamental value is in future growth. So anytime you have a data point that changes the trajectory of what that future growth is modeled to be, that's going to significantly move the value. And that's why we see so much volatility in a stock like Tesla, especially when there are times like this, where things with the business don't look as good as they once did. But Tesla's been through periods of time like this before. I mean, there's what Q1 2019, horrible quarter for Tesla. And then a year later, you know, we all know what happened in 2020 and 2021. So anyone that extrapolated based off of Q1 2019, which a lot of the shorts probably did and probably made bets on, certainly left with a lot of egg on their face.
So ultimately, what I'm saying here is that one quarter, even though it feels like it moves things around a lot, it just, it's so, I don't want to say it's like not important, but it's just not that important to where things end up long term, just like Q1 2019 wasn't really too important on what Tesla did in 2022. Q1 2024, these financial results aren't going to be that terribly important on what Tesla is doing in 2026, 2027. You know, think about, we just had this 10x and training compute capacity. If that, you know, probably 10x is again in the next couple of years, and reading way more data, and the data is probably higher quality because there are fewer edge cases, there's a lot of good things beating on itself here. And if that ever clicks, like I know everyone is so skeptical of it, but if Tesla actually does figure this out, man, sentiment can change quickly, the business fundamentals can change very quickly too. And no one's going to be talking about like, oh, Q1 2024, the operating margin fell by a couple percent quarter over quarter, like, if anyone can tell me what the operating margins were in Q4 2019 versus Q1, or yeah, Q4 2018 versus Q1 2019, and why that matters today, like, like, go ahead, but it just doesn't.
So hopefully that helps. It's not to diminish anything, you know, the importance of how the business is managed day to day, but I just want people to, you know, again, keep that long term mindset, keep that perspective because that's what's most important. And it's also just so frustrating with the Elon conversation situation, because, you know, the only reason I think a lot of people are negative against it is because of, you know, the current stock price and the business fundamentals looking not as strong as they were, but there's still a lot of pieces within Tesla to be excited about. And I'm still excited about it. People ask me all the time, you know, did you sell Tesla after you left Tesla daily or whatever? I haven't done anything, guys, like, I was completely unrelated to feeling as on on Tesla or anything like that, other than what I mentioned in the last episode with just other people covering it and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, I'm still excited about the company. They're doing really exciting things. So 400,000 deliveries, 500,000 deliveries, 350,000 deliveries. All that matters is that they're paving the path for the next generation of growth. And that's what they're doing. And that's what Tesla is focused on as they should be. So I think there's a lot to be excited about. I think Tesla is on the right path. I think we all think that things are going to go electric and autonomous. And I, as I've always believed, I continue to believe Tesla's leading in those areas. So I don't really care too much about QQ1. If that makes sense.
All right, bit of a rant there, but let me look at some of these, some of these super chats again, I appreciate. See where we left off. I'll try to get to these. I probably only have about five minutes because I got to get my earnings call set up, set up. So again, not doing this every day. It takes a little bit more time. When do you think FSD will be ready for cyber truck owners? It's already four months. I don't know. I mean, I have no insight on that. I wish I did. But Pedro says, please come back. I'll try to be around guys. Like, I just don't have time. I don't have time. I know. But I'll be back for earnings at least. So FSD 12.3.4. So I just got 12.3.5. I have not driven it yet. But 12.3.4. All the 12.3s, you know, all the version 12 versions that I've driven huge step forward in Chicago for me.
How is self-driving pizza delivery program coming? I don't know why that's particularly questioned towards me. But obviously we saw Tesla talk about the app. So I'm sure they could incorporate things like that. Warbird, thank you. The team, thank you. Bernard, thank you. Sonny, thank you. Tesla Cordoli is back. Can we make a test the weekly or even monthly? I definitely can't do weekly. I, you know, I have aspirations of doing it more frequently than Cordoli, but that's that's what I can commit to for the moment. Eric, thank you. Appreciate that.
Heisenberg, thank you. John, appreciate that again. A lot of people expected to have lost the call as everything, not the number. Yep, completely agree. Lots of other stuff in there other than just the number. Carlton, welcome back. And if I felt like I only care about the number when we first opened it up, it's more just sometimes I feel like the street only cares about the number. So I'm curious what the number is to see what the streets reacting to. And then I go through and make my own assessment, obviously, but it's just kind of interesting to see what the reactions are. Jordan, hope you come back and do Tesla weekly or monthly on some platform or as retail investors subscribe and support more. Thank you. Appreciate the sentiment. Like I said, I'll do my best to be around when when important stuff is going on. Alex, Cachule, Blake, thank you. Fortiwa, thank you. Solomon, thank you. Rex, good to see you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Tom asked about Osborne effect. So presumably relating to this this update here. I don't know. Maybe a bit of that. It's a fair question. And I do kind of wonder about how much we may be seeing with that with the Model Y with, you know, highland update for Model 3. I think a lot of people are probably expecting at some point a similar update to Model Y and maybe people would hold off until then and maybe people wait and see what interest rates are like at that time and etc, etc.
So yeah, I mean, anytime you make a product announcement, you're always running a little bit of a risk of that. But again, like I said, I think even if there is a little bit of Osborneing, ultimately, does that change what the future outcome for Tesla is going to be? I don't think so. Maybe it changes things a little bit in the interim, but we're already seeing a nice reaction in the stock. So I mean, maybe it's maybe it's worth it from that perspective. I don't know. No update on insurance since Zach left. I always think it has huge potential. Yeah, we do seem to hit a bit of a roadblock there in insurance just with state rollouts. Maybe we'll get an update at some point, but I know it's been a bit Adrew, thank you.
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Reuters report costs a lot of fear at the next gen car was off the table that no relieve that fear. Yep, I agree. I agree. I think I think people are seeing that, hey, there are other products here that aren't necessarily just robots axes, especially since it specifically calls that out as something that will probably happen later. So that's a really great point that I probably should have, you know, specifically mentioned. So a good call out there. Hollywood, thank you. Martin, thank you. Turk, Turkot, McCom. Thank you. Lyle, thank you. 524, not 542. You're gonna have to give me more context on that. I typed, what is that? SBC? That's probably what it is. All right, I'll correct that. 524 for SBC, I'm guessing. Thank you, Lyle.
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Elon, let's see, Pedro, Elon is slash will be building products that directly compete with Tesla's AI and robotics started with Groc. I mean, I don't know if you would view Groc as a direct competitor at the moment. I mean, maybe when they incorporated into Tesla vehicles, there's more of an argument for that, but I don't think there's any argument for how it's being used right now with with X that that should be something that would be within Tesla. That would be kind of a weird setup. I think there's some validity to the separation with X AI and certainly what they've done so far, I don't think really would make much sense within Tesla.
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And if that's the case, then with X AI, because they can do things that are maybe a little bit less logical to include within a Tesla umbrella, hopefully those things can then sort of benefit and grow on their own. And then the leverage that that growth creates, Tesla can use that within their business without having to make those investments and expenditures themselves. There's also the talent recruiting issue that Elon has mentioned before on a space. Sometimes people just prefer to go to a company that's maybe a little bit earlier stage than a company like Tesla, even if there are some unique characteristics with Tesla and how they're organized. But there's a variety of reasons that Elon has talked about that we've talked about.
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So a dragonfly. Thank you. Appreciate that. It means a lot. Megapack gross margin without solar bringing energy gross margin down. I think megapack margin is probably higher than solar. So I'm not sure exactly what the question is there. But I think energy storage is probably higher than energy generation from a margin perspective. Are I sales suffering like EVs this quarter? I haven't looked into it closely enough to look. It's always tough to know too with there's so many layers of things being hidden in the auto business and the financials because of the dealership networks and because of you know discounting and when the actual sale is recognized and all these sort of things, it makes it very difficult to really understand what's happening. And usually there's a lag to the reality because of the structure. So I mean, I would assume it's not just EVs that are being challenged. I also wouldn't be surprised if EVs were being a little bit more significantly challenged, but just have to see.
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Cliff, good to see you make the analysis look easy. Thank you. I mean, I've been doing this for what six six and a half years. So I appreciate it. All right guys, I got to wrap up here again. The earnings call is going to be on this channel. So the link for that is in the description. And I'll see you guys over there in about 30 minutes. Thank you.