4 Questions to Activate your Mars | Chip Conley
发布时间 2026-03-28 16:21:45 来源
Thank you so much. Great to be here with you. Yeah. So I'm going to start talking just a little bit about Mars in general and kind of why we started doing these Mars strong or planet strong workshops and then we're going to hop into hearing from Mars himself. Okay. Mr. Chip, come. It's interesting because in this system, when we say the strong is planet, we're only looking at one thing and I think planets that urges the gods, I think are the most important thing in astrology. But there are a lot of other stuff going on in the trunk. And in Chip's chart, Mars is the strongest planet. It's in cancer in the Fort House and his son is in the Sinus Scorpio, which is ruled by Mars. His moon is in the sign of Aries, which is ruled by Mars and his rising sign, his ascending is Aries, which is ruled by Mars. So it's like, it's an exemplar of Mars energy.
非常感谢。很高兴能和大家在这里。是的，我将开始简单谈谈火星以及我们为何开始举办这些"火星强"或"行星强"的研讨会，然后我们会听听来自火星本身的声音。好的，Chip先生，请过来。这很有意思，因为在这个系统中，当我们谈论"强"的行星时，我们只关注一个方面，而我认为在占星学中，行星对于神灵的作用是最重要的。当然，还有许多其他因素在秘密地影响着一切。在Chip的星盘中，火星是最强的行星。它位于巨蟹座的第四宫，而他的太阳星座是由火星主宰的天蝎座。他的月亮星座是白羊座，同样受火星主宰，并且他的上升星座也是火星主宰的白羊座。所以，他是火星能量的典型代表。
And I believe if we go back in time to pre-Christian era where Mars, there were Mars temples, there were Aries temples and people that visited those temples, most were soldiers, warriors, people going into the battle. And I also think that the ancients realized that in the beginning of spring that Aries was present, not only in Rome when the ice melted in the spring, did the soldiers go off to battle, but if you look in nature, there's so much activity, so much movement, so much growth, this rapid movement. And I imagine our ancients in this time, they looked around and they said, Mars is so dominant in present in this season, we need to name this season after the God. And so I think in following that thinking is for us in Aries season is to honor Mars.
我相信，如果我们回到公元前的时代，那时有祭拜火星和白羊座的神庙，许多前往这些神庙的人都是士兵、战士，或即将奔赴战场的人。我还认为，古人意识到白羊座出现在春天的伊始，不仅是在罗马，当春天冰雪消融时，士兵们便会出征。如果你观察大自然，会发现有如此多的活动、如此多的变化、如此多的快速发展。我想象古人们在那个时代会环顾四周，然后说，火星在这个季节是如此强大和显著，我们需要以这位神命名这个季节。因此，我认为按照这种思路，我们在白羊座的季节里应该向火星致敬。
And as an astrology app, we have people on the app and know which people have dominant Mars is, so we create this gathering to honor Mars. And throughout history and mythology, Mars was always treated ambivalently because Mars hurts. And the astrological lore, Mars is called the lesser Malefic. And one quarter of all of life's ills come through Mars. And so I ain't just had a difficult time dealing with it. And modern day, we have a difficult time dealing with it. Anger. I imagine in a relationship, there's this myth that a good relationship, you don't ever raise your voice. And that might be true of Venus is the most dominant influence in your chart. There's not a lot of Mars, but if Mars is there, passion, passion is there and it has to express itself. And when passion has to express itself, a lot of times, and result is there's damage.
作为一个占星应用程序，我们有用户使用这个应用，所以我们知道哪些人火星比较强，因此我们组织了这次聚会以表彰火星。纵观历史和神话，火星一直被矛盾地对待，因为火星代表伤害。在占星学中，火星被称为“小凶星”，并且四分之一的生活困扰都与火星有关。因此，不仅过去人们难以处理火星的影响，而在现代，我们同样也难以处理这种影响，比如愤怒。在人际关系中，有一种误解认为：一个好的关系中，人们从不提高嗓门。如果你星盘中金星是占主导地位的，这可能是真的，因为金星代表和谐美好，火星元素较少。但如果火星在星盘中占据重要地位，那么就会有激情，而激情需要表达。很多时候，这种激情的表达可能会导致一些伤害。
Mars is really good at building and Mars is really good at destroying. You can think of digestion, ruled by Mars, hunger. And this is a survival thing, right? If we don't find sustenance, which sometimes we had to hunt for climate tree or do things that might scare us, we had to have activity to go procure food, sustenance, that's Mars. And things trying to eat us, we had to find the ability to defend ourselves and to survive. That's Mars. And in hermetic astrology, Mars is connected to the animal soul. Animal soul. And this is the idea that Mars does, is the planet that's most connected to our animal nature. And I put on this young and I see the Egyptian gods and they had heads of animals.
火星非常擅长建造，也非常擅长破坏。你可以把消化看作是由火星主导的，那就是饥饿。这是一种生存本能，对吧？如果我们找不到食物，有时候我们不得不去狩猎或做一些可能让我们害怕的事情，我们需要采取行动去获取食物和生存所需的养分，这就是火星的作用。而当我们面临其他生物试图吃掉我们时，我们就需要有能力保护自己、生存下来，这也是火星的作用。而在赫耳墨斯占星学中，火星与“动物灵魂”有联系。火星与我们的动物本性最为相关。我回想起来，看到过埃及神祇，他们的头部是动物的模样。
I didn't get it. In the past couple of days, it just clicked that as a human, the highest thing we can think of requires the sublimation or the rise of our animal nature, of Mars. And when Stephen talks about Mars and he talks about the highest frequency of Mars, it's the spiritual warrior. And I think these ideas all encapsulate the same thing, is that Mars is dangerous. And it's necessary. So I think this is one of the things with Mars, the things that we have to wrestle with, is where do we put our passion? Where do we put our passion? And if our passion gets blocked, I attend the manifestess anger, and that's difficult. So I think to get to the heart for me of Mars is about where do we put our passion?
我没理解。过去几天我才突然明白，作为人类，我们能够想到的最高境界是升华或提高我们动物性的过程，即火星的提升。当史蒂芬谈论火星时，他提到火星的最高频率是精神战士。我认为这些观点都在围绕同一个主题：火星是危险且必要的。因此，我认为我们必须面对的一个问题是如何安置我们的热情。如果我们的热情被阻挡，会转化为愤怒，这很棘手。对我来说，理解火星的核心在于我们应该把热情放在哪里。
And the image that comes to me over and over again connected to Mars is heroism. I think the highest expression of Mars is that energy, that activity, that passion is going towards fighting for something we believe in or defending things that are precious to us. And we'll know those things because those are the things that activate us, that activate our Mars, that make us passionate. So what we've done for these planet-strong workshops is inviting people who we find to exemplify the energy of Mars. And then we choose Mars questions because for me, if we do a good job with the Mars questions, it's going to tap us into the energy of Mars.
与火星相关的形象不断在我脑海中浮现的是英雄主义。我认为火星的最高表现是那种能量、活动和激情用于为我们所信仰的事物而战斗或捍卫我们珍视的东西。我们能够认出这些事物，因为它们能够激发我们，点燃我们的斗志，唤醒我们的激情。所以我们在这些与行星力量相关的工作坊中，邀请了一些我们认为能够体现火星能量的人。然后我们会选择与火星相关的问题，因为我觉得，如果我们在这些问题上表现出色，就能让我们与火星的能量产生联系。
And I think my goal, my aim is to get Mars energy flowing freely. Because we all have so many reasons to pull back, to not do things, to not do things. And with Mars, it tends to build up a lot of resentment. And so Mars needs a clear channel to flow through. And I think of thinking, and if Mars is the strongest planet in your chart, the universe is saying you were put on this planet to do heroic things. And it's about finding the things you're passionate about and getting on with it, getting on with it. And realizing with Mars there is going to be collateral damage. Now, as a football player, the heroism was being on the front page of the sports page. And so there was a channel for my Mars to move through. But I also knew that every time I went into a football game, and I was going to be extremely sore for the next couple of days. And I still did it. Why? Because for me, it was worth it. It was worth it.
我认为我的目标是让火星的能量可以自由流动。因为我们总有很多理由让自己退缩，不去做事情。而在火星的影响下，这种退缩可能会积累大量的怨气。因此，火星需要一个清晰的通道来流动。我认为，如果火星是你星盘中最强的行星，这意味着宇宙是在告诉你，你被放在这个星球上是为了做出英雄般的壮举。重要的是找到你热爱的事情，然后全力以赴地去做。同时要意识到，有火星的影响，难免会有一些附带的伤害。作为一名足球运动员，英雄事迹是在体育版的头版上展现。这为我的火星提供了一个发泄的通道。我也知道，每次踢球比赛后，我都会痛上好几天。但我仍然去做了。为什么呢？因为对我来说，这一切都是值得的。
Before we started talking to Chip, one more Mars thing. It's super important. But it's really, I'm just saying what I've said a different way, is Mars is about choosing your battles. Choosing your battles. What is going to be worth it, even if I lose, the sense of dignity and courage and strength that I gain by facing this, I feel like it's worth it. And I think that's a Mars test. If we don't feel like it's worth it, maybe it's time to hold off and find something that is worth it. All right. So we'll jump right in. All right, Chip. Speaking of being heroic in your life, what would you say the biggest obstacle that you've ever overcome? Well, I've had many. But one that I've started a lot of businesses. And so there's the obstacle of having businesses going through ups and downs. But I'll go back to when I was 22 years old. And when I was 22 years old, I was living in New York for the summer working at Morgan's Family Investment Bank.
在我们开始和Chip交谈之前，还有一件关于火星的事情。这非常重要。其实，我只是用不同的方式重述我之前说过的话，火星涉及到选择你的战斗。选择你的战斗。即使我失败了，通过面对它所获得的尊严、勇气和力量让我觉得这是值得的。我认为这就是火星的考验。如果我们感觉不值得，也许是时候暂停一下，寻找那些真正值得去争取的事情了。好了，我们马上开始。Chip，说到在生活中具有英雄气概，你会说你克服过的最大障碍是什么呢？嗯，我经历过很多。但是其中一个是我创办了很多公司。因此，公司经历起起伏伏也是一个障碍。但我想回到我22岁的时候。那年夏天，我住在纽约，在摩根家族投资银行工作。
And I had been an all-American athlete in college and I was sort of student body president type guy. But I knew that I was gay and I did not know what to do with that because I didn't sit at the normal profile. It was 1983, AIDS crisis happening, and all of a sudden I'm coming out. And so my father's a marine captain. My father's got a lot of Mars in him. And I, the oldest son, the only son, and I have my dad's name, Stephen Townsend Conley, Jr. chip off the old block. So long story short, coming out to my dad and then having him want me to be a different person than I was and proving to him that I was still worthy of love and that I could still be an entrepreneur.
在大学时，我曾是全美的运动员，属于那种学生会主席类型的人。但我知道自己是同性恋，却不知道该如何面对，因为我不符合常见的刻板印象。那是1983年，艾滋病危机爆发，而我决定公开出柜。我父亲是一名海军陆战队队长，他性格中有很多偏向火星的特质。我是家里最大的儿子，也是唯一的儿子，还继承了我父亲的名字——小史蒂芬·汤森·康利，可以说是老爸的翻版。长话短说，我向父亲出柜，他希望我成为一个与众不同的人，而我则努力向他证明我仍然值得被爱，并且可以成为一名企业家。
So three years later I started what became the second largest boutique hotel company in the United States. At age 26 I started a company at 26 Bata Hotel. I didn't have a lot of money so I went out and raised money. So that Mars energy of being the entrepreneur was there while at the same time dealing with having to be vulnerable with a father who had never been vulnerable with me around the topic that in some ways was a life and death topic back in the early 1980s. I'd say that was probably one of the biggest obstacles that I had to overcome. Wow. So, you know, if we were, if we were looking at Chip's chart right now, I had it up on the screen. What we would see is the planet Mars, the strongest planet in the four-tiles.
所以，三年后，我创立了后来成为美国第二大精品酒店公司的企业。26岁时，我创办了一家名为26 Bata Hotel的公司。当时我没有很多资金，所以出去筹集资金。可以说，那时候我的创业精神如同火星般旺盛，但同时我也需要在情感上向一位从未在这个生命攸关的话题上对我表示过脆弱的父亲敞开心扉。我认为这可能是我必须克服的最大障碍之一。哇，如果我们现在看看Chip的星盘，我将它展示在屏幕上，我们会看到火星是四分之一区中最强的星体。
And the four-tiles is the area of life that rules the father and we see check, check, check father was in the military. And a question, I think of four-tiles where we're talking about the four-tiles, what we inherit from our fathers. You know, and it's also our early life experiences. The thing of the four-tiles is the soil that we're dropped into when we're born and whatever is in that soil, it's what we soak up. And it's the foundation of who we are. So curious, what did you learn? And when we learn, when I say what we inherit, we inherit the good, we inherit the bad. And I think a lot of the work of the four-tiles, I think, of remediating the soil, of going through and saying this part of my upbringing, of my father, of my family is precious and I honor this is more of their stuff and it's not my story.
四象限代表生活中的一个区域，它象征着父亲的影响。我们可以从中看到，父亲的特质，比如"检查、检查、检查"，还有他曾在军队服役的经历。关于四象限，我有一个问题，我们讨论的是从父亲那儿继承的东西，以及我们的早期生活经验。四象限就像是我们出生时落入的土壤，无论土壤里有什么，我们都会吸收。这就是我们存在的基础。所以，我很好奇，你学到了什么？当我说“继承”时，我们继承了优点，也继承了缺点。我认为四象限的很多工作在于改良土壤，审视并确认：在我的成长经历中，父亲、家庭赋予的一部分是珍贵的，我尊重这点；而这些是他们的东西，不是我的故事。
You know, that kind of remediation of the soil. So what did you learn about Mars, about anger, fighting, Mars rules, alcohol, courage, pioneering, you know, positive side of Mars? What did you learn about those things from your father? Like you said, alcohol, I didn't know that, but tell me about the alcohol piece because that's an interesting component. Yeah, Mars rules, Mars rules, alcohol. And one image that we get in films is the sailors, you know, people in the military, they build up so much tension and they need a way to release it. And Mars does that and you can tell us, but I see this in men and women, but if we repress anger and we start to drink, one of the functions of drinking is it actually allows that anger to express. The nature of the planets is their unconscious instincts drives and then they will express and if Mars is the most powerful drive, then our astrology, I don't like to be descriptive.
你知道，就是那种土壤修复。那么你从你父亲那里学到了关于火星、愤怒、斗争、火星的影响、酒精、勇气、开拓精神这些东西的什么？像你说的，我之前不知道火星与酒精有关，但能不能跟我讲讲关于酒精的部分，因为这是个有趣的方面。对，火星影响酒精。我们在电影中看到的一个形象是水手，或者军人，他们积累了大量的压力，需要一种方式释放出来。而火星就有这种作用。你可以告诉我们，我在男人和女人身上都看到过这种情况，如果我们压抑愤怒并开始喝酒，喝酒的一个功能实际上就是让愤怒得以表达。行星的本质是它们潜意识的本能驱动力，然后这些本能就会表现出来，如果火星是最强大的驱动力，那么根据我们的占星学，我不太喜欢给出描述性的解释。
You know, we think of more prescriptive and if Mars is the strongest planet, it means you're going to face a lot of battles. But so your relationship to what you're doing in those battles, you're either getting beat up or you're conquering those battles. But that's real Mars talk. And if you have strong Mars, our advice is to associate yourself with some kind of archetype or image of a warrior or an athlete or some image you have that you can see yourself facing and overcoming obstacles. Well, so the reason I asked about the alcohol is because I grew up in a family where both of my parents drank too much, they're both alcoholics. Both of them are still living their 88, neither one of them drink anymore. I was the first member of the family to stop drinking at age 26 the year, well, a month after I started my company because I could see that I was going to use alcohol as my liquid courage, as my means of dealing with stress.
你知道，我们通常会有一些具体的看法，比如如果火星是你的最强行星，那就意味着你会面临许多挑战。关键在于你如何应对这些挑战：要么被打击，要么克服困难。这就是典型的火星特质。如果你有强势的火星，我们的建议是，把自己与某种战士或运动员的原型或形象联系起来，或者任何能让你看到自己迎接并克服障碍的形象。至于我提到酒精的问题，是因为我在一个酗酒的家庭中长大，我的父母都喝酒过量，他们都是酒鬼。不过，他们现在都活到88岁了，也都不再喝酒了。我是家族中第一个戒酒的人，在我26岁那年，也就是我创办公司的一个月后，因为我意识到我会依赖酒精来壮胆并应对压力。
So yeah, for me, this is blowing my mind a little bit because for me, I've always thought of it as my Irish thing. So the Irish thing is the Irish drinking, the Irish anger, my father has an angry streak in him. And my father sort of scared me as a kid. So what's interesting is that in my life, people who know me well, including romantic partners in mind, have said like, wow, Chip has a long fuse, but when he, when the end of the fuse, boy, does he let it, he lets it out. And I don't do much of that anymore. I really don't be, and I think it's partly because of my meditation practice. I really, my meditation, my spiritual practice has really helped to diffuse some of that. But yeah, I could get to the place where, you know, I've been one of those guys growing up in LA, you know, living in my car. Someone cuts me off. I'm going to go after them.
所以，对我来说，这有点让我震惊，因为我一直觉得这是我的一种“爱尔兰特性”。这种爱尔兰特性包括爱尔兰式的饮酒和愤怒，我父亲就有一股很重的怒气。他小时候让我很害怕。有意思的是，在我生活中，了解我的人，包括我的一些亲密伴侣，都曾说过“哇，Chip的脾气真好，但一旦他的耐心到了极限，他就会彻底爆发”。不过我现在很少这样做了，我觉得这部分得益于我的冥想练习。我的冥想和心灵修持真的帮助我缓解了一些怒气。不过，确实，当我还在洛杉矶长大的时候，我也曾是那种在车里生活的人，如果有人加塞，我就会去追他们。
You know, just like, what the hell is this? Like, when it comes to my life, there have been times when I have said things to people. Also with that Scorpio son, I don't know if this is true, but Scorpios have the stinger. And so I'm pretty good at sizing people up and understanding their vulnerabilities. And so I often know exactly the right thing to say, to hurt someone, to actually put some hurt on them. And so I can do that. Sometimes I will actually feel a sense of, I want to hurt someone. And so my Mars, my anger in the midst of an anger, I'll say something that if I wasn't angry, I probably wouldn't say because I don't know that it would be helpful. I know, again, these are mostly past behaviors. This is not something I do very often anymore. But yeah, the rage, that sense of rage that can be underlying is there.
你知道，就是那种感觉，这到底是什么？在我的生活中，有时候我会对别人说一些话。加上我是天蝎座，我不知道这是不是和天蝎座有关，因为他们有“毒刺”。所以我很擅长判断别人，并了解他们的弱点。因此，我常常能准确地说出最能伤害别人的话。所以我能够这样做。有时候我确实会感觉到一种想伤害某人的冲动。在我愤怒的时候，我的火星能量会让我说一些如果不生气时我可能不会说的话，因为那些话可能并没有帮助。我知道，这些大多是我过去的行为。我现在不太常这样做了。但是，那种潜在的愤怒还是会存在的。
And I now know it's my Mars. It's the fact that I'm one big fucking Mars bar. I'm sorry. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, and when I was a kid in church, I love church as a kid. And there's one thing that I always wrestle with is when we got to Passover, right? And right around this time of year. And the idea of the angel of death, you know, that it was an angel that came from God, but it was killing little babies. You know, oh, right. It's like for me, I was like, how does that make sense? And because that makes sense. And you know, one of the questions and what we'll get to is, you know, who do you give permission and delight of fire under your ass? And I think of, and I know you've experienced this as an American athlete.
我现在明白了，那就是我的火星。事实上，我就是一根超大的火星巧克力。我很抱歉。没错，完全就是这样。小时候在教堂时，我很爱去做礼拜。有件事我一直想不通，就是关于逾越节，而这个节日恰好在每年的这个时候。在逾越节的时候，会提到死亡天使，它是来自上帝的天使，却在杀害婴儿。对我来说，这怎么能说得通呢？而因为这个才说得通。而问题之一是，你愿意授权给谁来激励你呢？我想到的，我知道作为一名美国运动员你也经历过这些。
As another American athlete here is, if I took the people one inside and we had, there's a show now at HBO called Hard Knocks. It's the name of the show, okay? If you took a video camera into a locker room and you saw the way that the guys interacted with each other and the coaches interacted with the guys. Most the normal person would be like, that's a abuse. That's abuse. That's abuse. It's abuse. But in that environment, because it's a rough environment, it's like puppies or lion cubs wrestling with each other because they're learning to sharpen their teeth and their claws because they know that there's battles they have to fight.
作为另一位美国运动员，如果我把人们带到一个体育团队的更衣室里，并拍下他们互相交流的方式，还有教练如何与他们互动，大多数普通人可能会觉得这是一种虐待。这是虐待，这是虐待，的确看上去像是虐待。但是在那样的环境中，因为这是一个相对粗犷的环境，就像小狗或小狮子在戏耍一样。他们通过这种互动学习如何磨砺自己的牙齿和爪子，因为他们知道自己有要面对的战斗。
And I think that's what's difficult about Mars is Mars hurts. And if we're sensitive, Mars doesn't feel good to hurt the people we care about. And I think sometimes, especially with Mars, we can't see the good it's going to do because we don't understand what needs to be broken up, what needs to be destroyed in the other person. And I know some of the time that my coach has been quote unquote most abusive to me, it was exactly what I needed to hear and it wouldn't have gotten through if there wasn't that much force.
我觉得火星的难处在于，它带来伤害。而如果我们很敏感的话，就会觉得伤害我们关心的人并不好受。我认为，有时候特别是在涉及火星时，我们看不到它可能带来的好处，因为我们不明白在对方身上需要打破什么，或是什么需要被摧毁。我知道，我的教练有时对我“最苛刻”的时候，正是我最需要听到的，否则话很可能不会入我的耳。如果没有那么强烈的冲击，我也可能无法理解其中的道理。
And so I think ideal Mars is in the moment it doesn't feel good. I imagine the police officer, they discharge their weapon, you know, and they're shaking and they have to go write a report. But sometimes, right, the angel of death, sometimes that kind of force, right, is necessary and the ability to, and I think ideally, because Mars rules surgeons, right, and that scalpel can save a life. But if we're too much pressure, or we're not paying attention, right, or we're not ready for it, it can take a life just just as quickly.
我认为理想中的火星就是在那些感觉不好的时刻展现出来。我想象警察在开枪后手在颤抖，他们还得去写报告。有时候，死神的力量是必要的。而火星掌管外科医生，他们使用的手术刀可以拯救生命。但如果用力过猛、不够专注或没有准备好，同样也可以迅速夺去生命。
And this is the sharp edge that Mars, people with strong Mars have to learn to walk. And you know, one more thing is your Mars is in the four house and the four house and if you look at a chart, it's the bottom of the chart. So it tends to be buried and it's in the sign of cancer, cancer rules, the stomach, you know, so the the term fire in the belly, all right, fire in the belly. And I think of a furnace, right, it's that fire that burns down there that nourishes everything else, but we have to, we have to make sure we contain it.
这就是火星的锋芒所在，拥有强大火星能量的人需要学会如何驾驭这一点。而且，还有一点是，你的火星位于第四宫，看星盘的话，它处于星盘的底部，所以它往往被隐藏住了。同时，它位于巨蟹座，巨蟹座掌管着胃，所以有个说法叫做“腹中之火”。我联想到一个炉子，那是一种在内部熊熊燃烧的火焰，滋养着其他一切，但我们必须确保控制好它。
And, and your Mars, because each Mars is different, your Mars is opposing Saturn in the tent house, right. So and one of the things you figured out naturally is one place to put that energy is into business, right. And even more specifically, Saturn in the tent into building a business that empowers lights a fire under the ass of elders. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing. And also if there is a badge, you know, a badge in astrology for the most difficult configuration in a chart, it would be Mars opposing Saturn.
你的火星，因为每个人的火星都不同，你的火星在第十宫对冲土星，对吧。那么你自然而然地发现了一个放置这些能量的地方，那就是投入到商业中。更具体地说，是把土星在第十宫的能量用在创建一个能够激励和唤醒老年人热情的事业上。这真是一件美好的事情。此外，如果在占星术中有一个标志，用来表示星盘中最具挑战性的配置，那就是火星对冲土星。
So you would get you would get this badge from an astrological perspective, right. And it's it's in what it gives is a necessity for heroic action. It gives a necessity for you know, without it, something would break, right. And also the nature of all that energy, it has to go somewhere, it has to go somewhere, okay. It has to go somewhere. Okay. So in your life, who do you give permission to light a fire under your hands? I give myself the permission.
从占星角度来看，你会获得这样一个徽章，对吧。这个徽章赋予你一种进行英雄行动的必要性。没有它，某些事情可能会崩溃。同时，所有能量的本质就是它必须找到一个去处，它必须找到一个去处。那么，在你的生活中，你允许谁激励你行动呢？我给予自己这个权利。
So I mean, let's be honest, I when you said fire in the belly is like, yeah, I don't use that term to describe myself very much. I do use the term, but I don't think of it to myself, but it's so true. There's a fire in the belly that I have always had, whatever I'm, whatever I'm in the mode of being inspired by something that I want to make a difference in the world. So I don't think I, I don't think there's anybody else that I give permission to light the fire under my ass. I do it for myself.
所以说实话，当你提到“内心的火焰”时，我很少用这个词来形容自己。我确实会用这个词，但我平时不会这样想。但这也确实如此，我一直都有这样的一种激情，每当我受到某种事情的激励并想要在世界上有所作为时，这种激情就会燃起。我不认为有别人可以点燃我心中的这把火，这完全是我自己点燃的。
And what I have to do is moderate it. And I think actually, you know, the interesting theme of Mars, 4th house, you know, opposed to Saturn 10th. There's an element for me of that Saturn 10th is, you know, if I can actually take that fire in the belly and do it for something that's actually making a difference in the world for other people, that's really what I'm doing today. And that's why I feel this deep sense of calling and what I'm doing.
我需要做的是调和它。我认为，事实上，火星在第四宫对冲土星在第十宫，这是一个很有趣的主题。对我来说，这里的土星在第十宫意味着，如果我能够将内心的激情用于那些真正能为他人带来改变的事情上，这正是我今天在做的事情。这也是为什么我对自己所做的事情有一种强烈的使命感。
And even, even as hard as it's been, you know, one of my biggest challenges has been the eight years of, you know, launching the Modern Elder Academy, MEA, two campuses in Baja and Santa Fe going through, you know, dealing with COVID, dealing with cancer, I have stayed three prostate cancer, dealing with, and the prostate cancer may have come from that, not too far from the stomach, maybe a little fire in the belly and the fire in the prostate.
即使如此，即使经历了一些艰难时刻，你知道，我面临的最大挑战之一就是这八年来创建现代长者学院（MEA），在巴哈和圣达菲建立两个校区。在这期间，我还要应对COVID疫情和癌症。我被确诊为三期前列腺癌，这可能与胃部附近的状况有关，就像肚子里的一团火燃烧着一样，同时也影响到了前列腺。
And then also dealing with the fact that I had to let go of my two co-founders. And I still close with them. They still teach occasionally, but they're not on the leadership team. They don't get salary anymore. All of that was hard. And losing a lot of money along the way, because I'm not doing this for money. I mean, a lot of, half the people who come to MEA are on some form of scholarship. We give them 9,000 graduates now. All of that for the average person, you would have just like folded up the tent and said, COVID, cancer, co-founders, and, you know, and cash, all those things being tough, you know, but I'm a clonely. So another C, and this clonely is like, I got a calling, another C. You know, I'm going to start wrapping any moment because I got my language going here.
然后，还涉及到我不得不放手两位联合创始人的现实。我和他们依然保持亲密关系，他们偶尔还教课，但他们不再是领导团队的一部分，也不再领取薪水。这一切都很困难。还有一路上亏了很多钱，因为我做这件事不是为了赚钱。我的意思是，去我们加速器的人中有一半是获得某种形式的奖学金的。我们现在已经有了9,000名毕业生。对于普通人来说，这一切可能会像帐篷一样折叠起来，然后说，COVID、癌症、联合创始人，还有金钱，所有这些事情都很艰难。但我是个勇者，所以又是一个C，而这个勇者仿佛像受到召唤，还是个C。你知道，我已经准备好开始说唱了，因为我现在找到了我的表达方式。
So I, I, I, I believe that, you know, I had an NDE and near death experience when I was 47. And then I have had cancer for the last eight years. But now it's stage three. It's metastatic, you know. So the sense of urgency, the holy urgency, there's a sense of holy urgency in what I'm doing. And I love that term, holy urgency because it really describes what you're describing about me. Yeah. Because there's a holiness in that Saturn in the 10th. And there's that urgency. The bulldozer in that Mars in the 4th. If I'm getting it right.
我相信，在我47岁的时候经历了一次濒死体验。而在过去的八年里，我一直患有癌症，现在已经发展到第三期，是转移性的。所以我现在所做的一切，都带有一种神圣的紧迫感。我很喜欢这个词 "神圣的紧迫感"，因为它确实很好地描述了我的状态。因为在天秤座的第十宫中有一种神圣的特质，而在第四宫中的火星则体现了一种紧迫感。如果我理解正确的话。
Yeah, you got it. And I think the point is, if you didn't have the fire in the belly, right, MEA wouldn't be here. No. Right. So again, I'm a person looking at this and understanding the details could recognize the energy of something heroic in your, in your activity and your behavior. And now that we're, I think we're tapping into it. But I want to say something there. I want to say something here. Please. You got to be careful about, you know, as someone who of all the archetypes, the one that's always spoken to me was the hero. But the problem with being a hero is, first of all, it's exhausting.
好的，明白了。我认为重点是，如果你没有内心的激情，对吧，MEA就不会存在。对。所以，我作为一个能够注意到细节并理解它们的人，可以感受到你行为中那种英雄般的能量。我觉得我们现在正好触及到了这一点。不过我想说一句。请注意，作为一个被所有原型中英雄这个形象吸引的人，成为英雄的问题首先在于它很累人。
Secondly, it means that you don't give space for other people to be the hero. And you feel like you have to come in and save the day. There can be a lot of ego attached to being the hero. So, you know, for me, the hero energy is so there. And a lot of people sort of put me on the pedestal that way. And I have to just constantly take myself off that pedestal. And make sure that I am just showing up as Chip. And that's where being gay is actually a little helpful for me in this because it's like, it doses it down a little bit. I have a sense of humor about it a little bit. I am able to say, okay, how do I match the masculine and the feminine together in a way that can be heroic? You can be a heroic female too.
其次，这意味着你没有留出空间让其他人成为英雄，而总觉得自己必须出面拯救局面。成为英雄常常伴随着很大的自我意识。对我来说，这种英雄气息非常明显，很多人也因此把我放在一个高位。我需要不断地把自己从那个高位拉下来，确保自己只是在以“奇普”的身份出现。在这方面，作为同性恋者对我来说其实有点帮助，因为这让我没那么沉浸在其中。我对此有一点幽默感，可以思考如何将阳刚和阴柔结合在一起以一种英雄的方式展现。因为女性也可以是英雄。
So yeah, okay, that's all I wanted to say. Well, this is perfect. The idea of a heroic female. And we got a question, could you take some pre-questions. And in the astrological scheme of things, Mars is considered debilitated at its worst in the sign of cancer. And cancer is considered the most feminine sign. So this is part of it, right? It's part of it. Mars trying to swim in water. Mars trying to make decisive action when it's in its feelings. And one of the things that struck me most, spending time with you and facilitating with you is your vulnerability. We started the day in circle in the talking stick.
所以，是的，好吧，这就是我想说的全部。嗯，这很完美。一个关于女性英雄的概念。我们有个问题，是否能先回答一些预设的问题。在占星学中，火星在巨蟹座被认为是处于最糟糕的状况。而巨蟹座被认为是最具女性特色的星座。所以这就是其中一部分，对吧？就是火星在水中挣扎的状态，火星在陷入情感时尝试做出果断决定。而让我印象最深刻的事情之一是，当我和你一起度过时间并与您合作时，感受到您的脆弱。我们是通过交流圆圈和传话棒开始一天的。
And Chip went first and the courage, it's like it emanated just out of your vulnerability in an inspired every single person in that circle to have the courage to match that level of vulnerability. And when Stephen talks about Mars in cancer, this is what he talks about, is the courage to be vulnerable. And especially as a man with so much Mars energy, right? It's almost being gay, it's forced to you. Because you can see the expression has forced you to wrestle with these things. And I think what it crosses over to our audience is the large majority of Lila's audience are women.
然后，Chip 率先做出了勇敢的举动，这种勇气就像从他的脆弱中散发出来，激励了圈子里的每一个人也拥有那种程度的脆弱的勇气。当 Stephen 谈论位于巨蟹座的火星时，他说的就是这种勇于表现脆弱的勇气。特别是作为一个拥有如此多火星能量的男性，这几乎就像是一种强迫。因为你可以看到这种表现迫使你去跟这些事情搏斗。而我认为这也影响到我们的观众，因为 Lila 的观众中大部分都是女性。
And if we took a list of people that had Mars as their strongest planet, most of them are not necessarily going to be spending their time studying astrology, right? They're not necessarily going to be into astrology. So in this group, a lot of the people who have Mars as the strongest planet, not only are they women, but there's a lot of cancer energy, a lot of Pisces energy, more mystical types of energy. And for you, your son in Scorpio and Mars's sign, right next to the sign, right, let's say the planet Neptune, which is the mystical planet, right?
如果我们列出一份名单，列出那些火星是他们最强行星的人，大多数人可能并不会花时间研究占星学，对吧？他们不一定对占星学感兴趣。在这个群体中，许多火星最强的人不仅是女性，还有很多巨蟹座能量和双鱼座能量，属于更神秘类型的能量。对于你来说，你的太阳位于天蝎座，与火星的星座紧挨着，比如海王星，这颗行星就象征神秘。
So I think Mars is even more challenging when you have this expansive kind of sensitivity to what it feels like for the other person. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it's difficult to wrestle with. And again, I go to the idea of the angel of death is that there's something holy about aggression, about passion. And I think our especially if Mars is strong in your chart, and you have spirit-jewing planation, it's one of the things that we have to wrestle with. Yeah. And I imagine, right, this is the holy part too, that 10th house is our role in the community, but having a strong spiritual sense and needing to do something substantial than the community. I would say looking at the chart, that's what the fire and the belly is for.
所以我认为，当你对他人的感受有这种广泛的敏感性时，火星会变得更加具有挑战性。是的，确实如此。这很难去处理。同时，我想到"死神"这个概念，它让人意识到侵略和热情中有某种神圣的东西。我认为，尤其是如果火星在你的星盘中很强，并且你有强烈的精神探求，这是我们必须去面对的一个方面。而且我想，这也是神圣的一部分，第十宫代表我们在社区中的角色，但同时拥有强烈的精神意识，并需要为社区做些实质性的事情。我会说，从星盘上看，这就是所谓的内在的火焰和动力。
Yeah. Yeah. I love you. I love you, Ricky Williams. Eric Neuron, Ricky Williams. I just appreciate you. You're like preaching. Yeah. Yeah. And it's fun. Yeah. And it's funny. I think of in my, you know, I grew up super religious. And in my religion, in my own religion, I would think of we're worshiping Mars in Aries season. And so evoking Mars. Because right now, you know, Neptune just moved into Aries, the sign of Mars. And it's important for all of us to start to imagine ourselves in our lives being heroic. And it's a time, and it's just imagination, but it's a time where the world needs it. You know, and if you got Mars, one of the things you always need to be looking for is a worthy opponent, you know, a worthy opponent.
是的，是的。我爱你。我爱你，Ricky Williams。Eric Neuron，Ricky Williams，我真的很感激你。你就像在传道。是的，是的，真有趣。我想起我成长过程中是非常虔诚的，在我的信仰中，我会想到在白羊座季节我们崇拜火星。因此，我们要唤起火星的力量。因为现在呢，海王星刚刚进入火星的星座白羊座。对我们所有人来说，想象自己在生活中成为英雄是很重要的。虽然这只是想象，但这个世界现在需要这样的时刻。如果你有火星，一个你总是需要寻找的东西就是一个值得的对手，一个值得的对手。
Oh, and another thing that I found about Mars, this is super intimate and personal to me. And I know that you will relate to it because in your chart, the strongest aspect your Mars makes is to Venus. And in one way to make fun of myself, Venus rules sweets. And Mars is the need to consume something. You know, so sometimes, right? And if I'm on one and their sweets and Mars takes over, right, the whole thing is consumed. First of all, that's why they call me chocolate chip. Yes. Yeah. And to make it more intimate, you know, because Mars, Mars rules the gonads, Mars rules the fight or flight response, Mars rules our ability to need an emergency. And in nature, mating is an emergency, right? Especially in nature, right, the time to mate is there's a short window.
哦，还有一件关于火星的事情对我来说特别亲密和私密。我知道你会有共鸣，因为在你的星盘中，火星与金星之间的相位最强。从某种角度来看，我自嘲地说，金星掌管甜食，而火星则是需要去消费某种东西。所以有时候，如果我心情来了，而旁边有甜食，火星就会接管，一下子就全部吃光了。这也是为什么大家叫我“巧克力片”的原因。是的。而且，更私密地来说，火星掌管生殖腺、搏斗或逃跑反应，以及我们对紧急情况的需求。在自然界中，交配是一种紧急情况，尤其在自然界中，交配的时间窗口很短。
And if you can't perform in that time, you don't have the ability to pass on your species. And you know, pass on your genes. And in one of the things, if we look at the symbol for Mars, right, it kind of looks like testicles and an erect penis. And for survival, we need Mars. It's a real pain. You know, and I'm like, joke with me, now I have a strong Mars in a Mars time. Right, I have to find somewhere to put it. The energy, I mean. And so we had a couple of questions from people who also have Mars in close aspect to Venus. And part of it is rushing into love, but also is the need to love passionately, which means the need to surround ourselves with people that not only can handle the heat in the passion, but they enjoy it. They enjoy it, you know, and I say the same thing.
如果你无法在这种时间内表现出来，那你可能就没有能力将你的基因传递下去。你知道，这就涉及到基因的传递。当我们看到火星的符号时，它看起来有点像睾丸和勃起的阴茎。为了生存，我们需要火星。火星是一种真实而强烈的驱动力。我总是半开玩笑地说，我在火星时期有强烈的火星能量，所以我必须找到地方释放它，我指的是能量。我们收到一些人的问题，他们的火星和金星有紧密的互动。部分体现为急于投入爱情中，更体现为渴望充满激情的爱情，这意味着我们需要周围的人不仅能够承受这种激情的“热度”，他们还要享受这种激情。就像我常说的那样。
I love you too, Chip. I have Venus can jump Mars. And I love Marsy people. I love when I see someone express an act of courage, right, I don't care who they are. Right, as soon as I can't help it, as soon as I see someone face a challenge, like I like him, you know, I want to be around them more, you know, and I think for all of us, our Mars is going to be doing different things. But I think the most important thing is our attitude towards Mars. You know, and it's easier for men, we get all the superheroes, right, interesting Wonder Woman, right, the myth of Wonder Woman, as she was in Amazon. And if we had to find an example of history of Marsy women, it would be the Amazon.
我也爱你，Chip。我觉得金星可以超越火星，我也很喜欢火星性格的人。我喜欢看到有人表现出勇气，不论他们是谁。只要我看到有人迎接挑战，我就不由自主地喜欢他们，想要多和他们在一起。我认为，对我们所有人来说，我们的"火星"将以不同的方式体现。但我觉得最重要的是我们对待"火星"的态度。对于男性来说，这更容易理解，因为我们有各种超级英雄。而对于女性来说，就像神奇女侠的传说，她曾是亚马逊人。如果要找历史上具有"火星"特质的女性例子，那就是亚马逊人。
And I think one of the things we lack are feminine expressions of Mars. And so I think it's like an invitation, you know, in Mars season, if we can find our passion and feel comfortable enough to express it. Yeah, the big part of Mars is drawing a line in the same, right, this idea is if you cross this line, there will be consequences, right? It's so important because with Mars, if we don't draw the line, the consequences occur, but they occur to us. Hmm. Okay. So heroism in your life, what do you feel to this point, Jeff, is the most heroic thing you've done?
我认为我们缺少的是火星的女性表达方式。所以我觉得这就像一个邀请，在火星的季节里，如果我们能找到自己的激情，并感到足够舒适去表达它。火星的一个重要部分就是划清界限，这个想法是，如果有人越过了这条界限，就会有后果。这点非常重要，因为如果我们不画出界限，后果也会发生，但影响的是我们自己。那么，在你的生活中，杰夫，你觉得至今为止你做过的最英雄的事情是什么？
I think the most heroic thing I did. And it had it had a mixed response, mixed thing was at age 28, I became the foster son to an African American kid who was in the group home. He was my mentee and we used to put basketball together and as, you know, he ended up on the streets because his parents were homeless. And so, but here is the challenge. The opportunity, his name is Damien. This was a long time ago, I'm 65 now, so 28 was when this happened. So like 37 years ago. Upside was I really wanted to help him. I went to school in the inner city, as you know, Long Beach, Polly High School. And so being around people of color and especially black people and seeing, you know, my desire to see my friends who were black had all the opportunities I have. So with Damien, I felt that and so that was a good feeling.
我觉得我做过的最英勇的事情是在我28岁的时候。这件事的反响有好有坏。当时，我成为了一位非裔美国男孩的寄养父亲，这个男孩住在一个团体之家。他是我的学员，我们常常一起打篮球。他的父母无家可归，所以他最终流落街头。不过，这也给我一个机会。他的名字叫达米恩。那是很久以前的事了，现在我已经65岁了，所以是在大约37年前发生的事。好的一面是，我真的很想帮助他。你知道，我在市中心的学校上学，是长滩波利高中。所以，我一直和有色人种，尤其是黑人在一起，希望看到我的黑人朋友们能拥有我所拥有的机会。因此，对达米恩，我有这样的感觉，这让我感到很不错。
But one of the things that Damien said to me, he was a really intuitive guy. He is a really intuitive guy. He just said, you know, I'm not, I'm not your heroic project. I'm not your heroic project. And so he could read me and could read that there was a part of me that wanted to, I mean, the situation landed in my lap. And I could have said, no, you can't, you can't live with us. And he was in the gang and he was a tough guy. He was a lot of Mars energy and a lot of anger. And partly because of how he was brought up. I mean, so, but he could see that there was a part of me that was actually doing this because I wanted to be a hero. There's no, you'd say he would say to me, there's no return on investment in this investment chip.
但达米恩对我说的一件事是，他真的很有直觉。他是个非常有直觉的人。他只是说，你知道，我不是你的英雄项目，我不是你的英雄项目。所以他能看透我，也看透了我内心有一部分想要这样做的原因，毕竟这个情况主动找上了我。我本可以拒绝他说，你不能和我们住在一起。他当时是个帮派成员，是个狠角色，身上充满了火星般的能量和愤怒，这部分是因为他从小的成长环境。但他能看出，我其实有一部分是因为想成为英雄才这么做的。他会对我说，这段投入并不会有什么投资的回报。
And so it was a challenging relationship. But still loving and carried for him. He had three kids. But at some point he went off the rails, something happened. And with the law. And frankly, he was not guilty, but you know, he ended up in San Quentin for eight months until the federal judge lined him out. And he came out, a caged animal pissed off at the world. And especially me. And he was born on personality disorder, which you know is really rough. And so I became, he used all that anger toward me. And so we have not talked in seven or eight years now, but. His, I was just talking yesterday with his oldest son, who lives here in New Mexico, where I live part of the time. And, and his son.
所以，这段关系是充满挑战的，但我仍然爱着他，也关心他。他有三个孩子。但在某个时刻，他出了问题，出了岔子，并且涉及到法律。坦率地说，他是无辜的，但最终还是在圣昆廷监狱待了八个月，直到联邦法官澄清了他的冤屈。他出来时就像一只被困的野兽，对全世界充满愤怒，尤其是对我。他天生就有性格障碍，这真的很难处理。因此，他把所有的怒气都发泄在我身上。然后，我们已经有七八年没有说话了。不过，我昨天刚和他的大儿子聊过，他住在新墨西哥州，我有时也住在那里。
So, so I think he was a little bit more than I thought. And he was a little bit more than I thought. And so I was just talking about the time. And, and his son. So, so like my great grandson. And we were talking yesterday about Damien's anger. And when I come face to face. So he was my, he was a. He was. There was this kind of worthy opponent with him. But he was also mentally challenged. Not mentally charged, but psychologically challenged. And so, that was hard. It was hard. And it was hard for me to when he was as much of a powder keg with anger as he was. For me not to go toe to toe with him. Wow.
所以，我觉得他比我想象中的要复杂一些。他让我感到意外。我们聊到了他的儿子，也就是我的曾孙。昨天我们聊到了达米安的愤怒。当我与他面对面时，他是一个值得尊敬的对手，但他在心理方面也有一些挑战。这让事情变得困难，他的愤怒如同火药桶一般，这对我来说真的很难，不去跟他针锋相对。哇。
Yeah. So, you know, I talked about the four house is the is early home. And it's our father. But the four house also is we become adults becomes our home, the home that we create. And it's about like remediating the soil. Because as soon as we have a home with someone, whether we're conscious of it or not, all of the themes that were in our home are going to be there. And so when Mars is the strongest planet, oftentimes it's in the first house. First house rules the body. And so the Mars is is is. It's built in the body. You know, if it's the four house, right? It's in the guts. It's in the belly, the early life experiences in the home.
好的。我之前提到过，第四宫代表早期的家，也就是我们的父亲。然而，第四宫也是我们成年后自己建立的家。这个概念类似于对土壤进行修复，因为当我们和某人共同组建家庭时，无论我们是否意识到，家中的各种主题都会随之而来。因此，当火星是最强势的行星时，通常它处于第一宫。第一宫主管身体，所以火星的力量会体现在身体上。如果它处于第四宫，那就是在我们的内脏和肚子里，代表早期生活中的家庭经验。
So this idea of where you're going to have despite your biggest battles are going to be internal, right? But also in the home. Right. And it's like the way the chart works. It attracts whatever it can find in our environment that matches the energy. And I said earlier, the ancient said Mars is struggles in cancer because cancer is our defense system. It's our sensitivity. And so you and it will be we build shells. And you can imagine that cancer sensitivity and you put Mars there, right? It has missiles on it. No. So you activate that sensitive defense system and you're going to pay for it. Right. That it happens so fast that it takes time to be able to handle that. It takes time.
这个想法是，你最大的战斗常常是内心的，对吧？但也会发生在家庭中，对不对。这有点像星图的运作方式。它会吸引我们环境中能与之能量匹配的事物。我之前说过，古人认为火星在巨蟹座会带来挣扎，因为巨蟹座代表我们的防御系统和敏感性。想象一下，如果在巨蟹座放上火星，就好像在敏感的地方安上导弹，明白吗？这样你一旦激活这种敏感的防御系统，就需要付出代价。这一切发生得很快，而要学会处理这种情况需要时间。这需要时间。
And I think when we see a planet debilitated or having a difficult time expressing itself, what it really means, it'll have a difficult time expressing itself when it's when the someone is young. But with time and experience, we learn. We develop. And I think back to ancient Rome where Rome was ruled by Mars. You know, really was ruled by Mars if they were. And in Rome really took shape, you know, and the end of the age of areas. And this is interesting thinking about Mars energy and areas because the idea of empires, standing armies right that are common today, they didn't occur into the age of areas. You know, first standing armies, you know, would come and wipe out places and subjugate the people. Subjugation. This is one of my favorite Mars words. Right. Because when they would subjugate the people, they would come and they'd say, right, either let us take you over or we're going to wipe you out.
我认为，当我们看到一颗行星处于弱势或难以展现其能量时，这意味着它在年轻时期很难表现出来。然而，随着时间的推移和经验的积累，我们会逐渐学习和成长。我想到了古罗马，当时罗马是受火星影响统治的。如果他们是这样的话，罗马确实在白羊座时代末期逐渐成型。这让我想到火星的能量和白羊座之间的关系，因为如今常见的帝国和常备军队的概念，最早就是在白羊座时代出现的。最初的常备军队到来时，会彻底摧毁一个地方并征服人民。征服是我最喜欢用来形容火星的一词。因为当他们征服一个民族时，他们会说，要么让我们接管，要么我们就消灭你们。
You know, and I think of the spiritual warrior. There's some parts of us, you know, and they kind of get us in trouble and trip us out. And if the higher part of us can subjugate those other parts, that's the spiritual warrior. Right. And where to fight, where to put the passion to overcome forces. You know, and so this idea of, you know, what is it time? What is it time to conquer? What is the time to conquer in our lives, but in order to conquer something, it has to be a worthy opponent. It has to be a fight, you know, and we're not going to win all of our fights. We're not going to win all of our battles. We're going to lose some. And so part of what's built into Mars is the ability to pop back up.
你知道，我想到精神战士。我们的内心深处有些部分，会让我们陷入麻烦，让我们迷惑不解。如果我们内心更高的部分能压制这些困扰，那就是精神战士的体现。精神战士知道在哪里战斗，知道将热情放在哪里来克服阻力。所以，这个想法是，什么时候是时候去征服？在我们的生活中，什么时候该打破阻碍，但要征服某件事，它必须是一个值得的对手，必须是一场战斗。我们不可能赢得所有的战斗，我们会输掉一些。因此，斗志的一部分就是源于能够重新振作起来的能力。
Yeah. University of Penn, Angela Duckworth wrote a book on grit. You know, I know her and I know the book. Yeah. So the book, I went through it and it like jumped out to me. That's a book about Mars and Saturn. You know, passion and determination. Right. And if someone has a whole bunch of that, it wasn't given to them. I'm talking about YouTube. It wasn't given to you for no reason. Right. It's you're going to need it. Okay. So having a positive attitude, a positive role model about taking on and overcoming obstacles to me, that heroic attitude becomes so important.
好的。宾夕法尼亚大学的安吉拉·达克沃斯写了一本关于毅力的书。我认识她，也了解这本书。读完这本书后，我印象深刻，觉得这本书仿佛在讲述火星和土星——也就是激情和决心。对吧？如果一个人有很多这样的特质，那绝不是凭空得来的。就像你在YouTube上的经历，这肯定有它的意义。你会需要这些品质。保持积极的态度，拥有当作榜样的积极人士，并勇敢面对和克服困难，这种英雄般的态度对我来说特别重要。
But in the good hero journey, right, they win and they lose. They have scars to show. And I think for me, when I look at Mars opposing Saturn, is what does Mars look like when someone has been able to maintain their passion, their fire up later in life? No. It's unique. And I think of Rome because the senators were soldiers. You know, and so part of becoming a senator on why is that you have to survive all of the battles and that kind of wisdom that they had is priceless. Priceless. Because it's easy to get old if you avoid all the challenges and the difficult things. Right. It's easy to mature. But when you have to go through things and take your lumps in you, right, it's harder, but you have greater wisdom.
在好的英雄旅程中，他们会经历胜利和失败，并留下伤痕。我认为，当我看到火星对冲土星时，我会思考一个问题：一个人在晚年仍然能够保持激情和活力的样子是怎样的？这很独特。我联想到罗马，因为那时的元老们都是士兵。成为元老的一部分原因是要在所有战斗中幸存下来，而他们所拥有的那种智慧是无价的。因为如果你避开所有挑战和困难，变老是很容易的，对吧，成熟也不难。但当你必须经历磨难，承受打击时，会更困难，但你得到的智慧会更深刻。
And I think because it's so difficult, it's so valuable. So valuable. A great. Yeah. All right. So, um, what's the most pissed off you've ever been? Yeah. Oh, most pissed off I've ever been. Was when I was passed over for the eighth grade basketball team. I was a starter on the seventh grade team. I was the unlikely starter. That's probably the least athletic of the five on the starting team, but that was a great shooter. And then I didn't make the eighth grade team. And I was both heartbroken, sad, but I was also angry. Because the coach, I felt like the coach was had something out for me. And I was like, well, I'm not going to be a coach.
我觉得因为这太难了，所以它才那么有价值。非常有价值。嗯，是的。那么，有没有哪次你特别生气呢？对，我最生气的一次是当我没被选入八年级篮球队的时候。我在七年级时是首发球员，虽然在先发队伍中我是最不擅长运动的，但投篮很棒。然而，我没能进入八年级的队伍。当时我既伤心又难过，同时也很生气，因为我觉得教练对我有偏见。于是我心想，我将来可不打算当教练。
I was like, well, I'm not going to be a coach. But yeah, and I didn't know what to do with that anger at that age eighth grade. Didn't really know what to do with the anger. So yeah, I mean, that's that's the one that comes up first. I mean, there's lots of other ones. But I'm curious. So you didn't know what to do. And then so what did you do with it? You know, to be honest with you, eighth grade, I might have, I might have drank for the first time. I'll call it for the first time because we had alcohol all over the house. And I used to have my friends come over. And when my parents were not there, like they're out to dinner or something like that, we would drink.
我当时心里想，我不会去做教练。但在八年级的时候，我不知道该如何处理那时的愤怒情绪。其实我有很多不同的情绪，但这个是第一个浮现出来的。说实话，到了八年级，我可能第一次喝酒了。因为家里到处都有酒。我常常叫朋友来家里，当父母不在的时候，比如他们出去吃饭之类的，我们就会喝酒。
And that might have been that year. Yeah. Because I think that's one of the main questions that strong Mars people have to deal with is what to do with the anger. And sometimes if we're men, it's easier to hold the anger ourselves. But women or more sensitive men, sometimes it easily gets projected on to other people. So it's how do we deal with our own anger and how do we deal with other people's anger? And again, I think our answers to the rest of this question for a long, long time. And I don't know, but my sense is to honor it. It's to honor because there's something ancient in us that gets activated in one's action.
这可能就是那一年的事。是的。我认为强烈受火星影响的人要面对的主要问题之一就是如何处理愤怒。有时候，作为男性，我们会更容易自己承担愤怒。但对于女性或更加敏感的男性来说，他们有时会把愤怒容易地投射到其他人身上。所以问题在于我们如何处理自己的愤怒，以及如何处理他人的愤怒。而且，我认为我们会长期不断地在这个问题上寻找答案。我不太确定，但我的感觉是，我们要去尊重愤怒。因为这激活了我们内心某种古老的东西，让我们采取行动。
And to keep the peace, yes, we do have to learn to suppress it and direct it. But I also think when we do that, sometimes we don't honor it and it tends to build. And so honoring it is recognizing somewhere in our life, either us or someone else, crossed a line. And if we can recognize where those places are and we learn how to show our teeth or draw the line in the sand, you know that. Then I think it helps that our relationship with Mars, it helps it grow and it helps it develop. Because anything that doesn't get to express doesn't really get an opportunity to grow and to develop.
为了保持和平，我们确实需要学会压抑并引导它。但我也认为，当我们这么做时，有时候我们并没有真正尊重它，反而让它逐渐积累。因此，尊重它就是在我们的生活中承认，自己或他人可能已经越过了一条界限。如果我们能够识别出这些地方，学会适时地表现出自己的态度，就像在沙滩上画一条线那样明确。那么，我认为这有助于改善我们与“火星”的关系，使其成长和发展。因为任何没有机会表达的东西，都无法真正得到成长和发展。
And you know, my Gemini mind, you know, I like to free associate, but the idea of ancestors and astrology is the fourth house. So saying it's the father saying it's Irish, right, same thing, right, Mars and the fourth. The idea is it's something that's so foundational. It requires us to have to fight against such a powerful habit because it's been part of who we are literally, right. It's what we it's what we inherited.
你知道，我这个双子座大脑喜欢自由联想。关于祖先和占星学的概念，它是第四宫。因此，说起父亲或说起爱尔兰，这其实是一样的，对吧，在第四宫的火星。这一概念是如此基础，以至于我们必须努力去对抗这种强大的习惯，因为它已经成为我们身份的一部分。这是我们继承下来的东西。
Right up. All right, um, Linnea. Are you available? Are there any questions yet? Pop it up in the chat. No questions specifically of you all, but I did notice that about 90 to 95% of the people here live are women. So I am glad that you did bring up that topic about Mars and in women as well. And yeah, and just the challenges, the particular challenges that that they can have having the planet that's associated with men.
好的。那么，呃，Linnea，你有空吗？有没有什么问题？可以在聊天中提出。目前还没有针对你们所有人的具体问题，但我注意到这里现场的参与者中，大约90%到95%是女性。所以我很高兴你提到了关于火星和女性的话题。是的，还有女性在处理这个传统上与男性相关的星球时所面临的独特挑战。
Yeah, so chip up, you know, I'm curious you've read a lot and you're a keen observer of people and you've been around a lot of people. What are your insights and even advice for women sensitive people and handling Mars? Well, there's two parts to handling Mars. It's handling it inside yourself and then handling it in other people too. So let me try to start with handling it in yourself.
好的，说起来，你阅读了很多书籍，也是一个对人有着敏锐观察力的人，并且接触过很多人。我很好奇，你对敏感的女性在应对“火星”问题上有哪些见解和建议？处理“火星”问题可以分为两个方面，一个是处理自己内心的“火星”，另一个是处理其他人身上的“火星”。让我先从内心的“火星”讲起。
Well, thank God you have Mars inside yourself because we live in a culture that's got a lot of Mars in it and being able to address that kind of driven, powerful, you know, energy, energetic way of being allows you to have more of a voice because let's recognize that we live in a very patriarchal society. So women, you're, you have a stroke against you because of the fact that you're a woman and often men won't be listening to women unless they actually insert themselves.
好吧，感谢上帝，你内在有火星的特质，因为我们生活在一个充满火星能量的文化中。拥有这种积极、强大、充满活力的方式能让你拥有更多的话语权。要认识到，我们生活在一个非常父权制的社会中。所以，作为女性，仅仅因为性别就遭遇了阻碍，很多时候男性不会倾听女性的声音，除非她们主动表达自己。
Now that then, you know, then there's a risk with it too, which is the idea of how you know, I as Ricky you've heard me say this, but I think as we grow older we grow whole. And grow whole means you learn how to alchemize your polarities and your masculine, your feminine, your, you know, your sacred, your spiritual, I'm sorry, your secular, your spiritual, your gravitas, your levity, your curious, your wise, your introvert, your extrovert.
现在呢，你知道，有个风险就是，正如你听我说过的，我觉得我们随着年龄的增长会变得更完整。变得完整意味着你学会了将自身的对立面进行融合，比如你的男性特质和女性特质，你的世俗和精神层面，你的庄重和轻松，你的好奇心和智慧，还有你的内向和外向特征。
So as a woman with Mars in her in her chart, being able to alchemize your masculine and your feminine together can be exceptionally powerful and it's not easy though it's like it's like older Corbin on the balancing beam. And, and you know, men should respect the fact that women who have to do that have a harder job, but when you do it well, you know, powerful.
作为一个星盘中有火星的女性，能够将你的阳性能量和阴性能量结合起来，可能会异常强大。但这并不容易，就像是在平衡木上表演高难度动作。而且，男人们应该尊重这样一个事实：女性需要花费更多精力来完成这种平衡。不过，当你做得出色时，你会感受到那种强大的力量。
I love, I love, especially in corporate America, I love women's CEOs, I just think they have the best of both worlds. In terms of, you know, dealing with Mars and other people, especially in, if you have a masculine or male partner. I think the most important thing is to realize that there's going to be a lot of heat. But the your, you got to, how you can as a couple learn how to take on each other's qualities.
我非常喜欢，尤其是在美国企业界，我特别欣赏女性CEO，因为我觉得她们拥有最佳平衡。在与不同的人（比如说和男性伴侣）互动时，最重要的是要意识到过程中可能会产生很多冲突。但作为伴侣，你们需要学会如何相互吸取和融汇对方的优点。
So if you have a lot of, you had, I mean, most of the women here are, most people here are Mars. So you are all Mars. But if you had a Mars partner, like, wow, that's a lot between you and your partner. So learning how to have both of you integrate such that you've got the masculine feminine. This is, again, Ricky, when you and I did a podcast together and maybe maybe Lenea can put the, I don't know if she can find the podcast, but she could put it in the chat. And I think they just loved your story about your name and taking on Lenea's last name, your story about like, you know, the children should have that kind of that legacy associated with their mother's last name. And the fact that you are a, you're a masculine dude with feminine qualities is like, you know, that to me, you are the integration that we're talking about.
所以，如果你有很多...我是说，这里的大多数女性，大多数人都是火星人。所以你们都是火星人。但是如果你有一个火星伴侣，哇，那你和你的伴侣之间确实有很多需要处理的。因此，学习如何让你们两人都能够融合阳刚和阴柔的特质。这让我想起，Ricky，当你和我一起录播客时，也许Lenea可以找到这个播客，并把它放在聊天中。我觉得他们真的很喜欢你关于名字的故事，以及你选择了Lenea的姓氏的故事，还有你认为孩子们应该继承母亲姓氏的那种传承感。而你作为一个具有女性特质的阳刚男子汉，对我来说，你就是我们所说的这种整合的典范。
And in fact, it was Eric Erickson, the developmental psychologist who said that the last stage of the eight stages of life is integrity versus despair. And he didn't mean ethics integrity. He meant the integration of all of who you are as opposed to the disintegration and as opposed to despair. And so, you know, be modeling, being integrated, being whole is an essential part of being able to be with your partner, especially if you want your partner to actually embody some of that feminine as well. So, to bring it more down to earth, if you were hiring someone who's personal assistant, someone that was going to work with you all of the time, and you were going to give them advice on how to handle you when Mars is active.
实际上，发展心理学家埃里克·埃里克森曾说过，人生八个阶段的最后一个阶段是完整与绝望的对立。他这里说的完整不是指道德上的完整，而是指将自己各个方面整合在一起，而不是分崩离析或陷入绝望。因此，展现自己的完整性、作为一个完整的人，对于和伴侣相处是至关重要的，尤其是如果你希望你的伴侣也能展现出一些女性的特质时。把这个概念放到更贴近生活的情境中，如果你要雇用一个私人助理，让他们长时间和你一起工作，你会建议他们在 "火星" 活跃的时候如何应对你。
What, what might you say to them? Just listen to me, just hear me out. Don't cut me off. Remind me that I'm lovable. Be a fierce intellectual jowster. So like, if you think I'm doing something wrong, express it, but express it in a way in which I don't feel like I have to be a gladiator coming back at you. Express it in a way in which I see you not as the adversary, but as I see you as the ally, but an ally with some wisdom. So, my tendency is to speed up when I'm in my Mars energy, everything's speed up. So having someone to balance me and slowing me down, they can just talk more slowly to me. All of that would be helpful.
你会对他们说什么？请听我说，请给我一个机会，不要打断我。提醒我，我是值得被爱的。做一个坚定而有智慧的辩论者。如果你认为我做错了什么，可以说出来，但请用一种我不会觉得必须像斗士一样反驳你的方式来表达。用一种让我把你视为盟友而不是对手的方式来表达，盟友是有智慧的。当我倾向于表现得急躁时，就需要有人来平衡并放慢我的速度，你可以用更慢的语速和我交流。所有这一切都会对我有帮助。
Yeah, but in order to do that, they have to be able to keep up in order to do that. And then also we have to make sure the power dynamic is such that they feel comfortable doing that. That's a really essential piece of this too, because let's acknowledge that some, you know, there's power dynamics, whether it's male female or it's, you know, in a company, CEO, etc. So I'd have to really make sure that I've created the space for them to feel psychologically safe. You know, being able to challenge me. I think this is vital with Mars is creating a safe place for Mars to express itself.
是的，但为了做到这一点，他们必须具备跟上进度的能力。此外，我们还必须确保权力动态让他们感到舒适，这是非常重要的一部分。我们得承认，在很多情况下都会存在权力动态，无论是在男女之间还是在公司中，比如CEO和员工之间。因此，我必须确保我创造了一个让他们感到心理安全的环境，使他们能够挑战我。我认为，对Mars来说，创造一个安全的环境来表达自己是至关重要的。
And in my wife, Lina's Mars also in cancer in the seventh house in the house of partnership. And I remember when I first started dating her, she sometimes she can be really sharp, you know. And we were having a conversation and it felt like someone was throwing darts at my chest. And because I grew up with a mom who's super has the same Mars Saturn opposition, super strong Mars that I liked it, you know, that this feeling of I knew that I met my match that there was someone that was willing to stand up to me. You know, that I loved it, you know, and was something that was good for me.
在我妻子莉娜的星盘中，她的火星也落在第七宫的巨蟹座，这个位置是与伴侣关系相关的。我记得刚开始和她约会时，她有时候说话特别直率，感觉就像有人在往我胸口扔飞镖一样。但是因为我从小就和一个有着火星-土星对冲的、火星特别强势的妈妈一起长大，所以我喜欢这种感觉。我知道我遇到了一个能和我匹敌的人，一个敢于直面我、挑战我的人。我很喜欢这一点，这对我来说是件好事。
And I think Mars in relationship is tricky, you know, and I think image I get is sparring partners. And then and then if you get a sparring partner who's way better than you, you're going to get beat up all the time. If you get a sparring partner who doesn't can't stand up to you, you're going to beat them up all the time. And Mars energy is bully energy. And one of the greatest Mars lessons I ever learned was from Mike Ditka. And he only coached me for one year, my rookie year in New Orleans. And in the NFL at that time, there've been a lot of hazing things going on, hazing players and NFL was taking a stance against it. So they put in all their coaches books to make sure to talk about it to the team.
我认为在关系中，火星的能量是很复杂的。我想到的画面是陪练伙伴。如果你的陪练伙伴比你强很多，你就会一直受挫。如果你的陪练伙伴不如你，你又会一直压制他们。火星的能量有点像恃强凌弱。我从麦克·迪特卡那里学到的关于火星能量的一个重要教训。他在我初入新奥尔良的那一年担任我的教练。那时候，NFL有很多欺负新队员的事情发生，联盟对此采取了反对立场。他们要求所有教练给球队谈及这个问题。
And so coach Dick has said there will be no hazing and training camp. And he said, if you are the person hazing someone, you're out of here. And then he said, if you are the person being hazed, you're out of here. Right? Because in a vacuum, right? If we're in a room and Mars needs to show up, right? Or in a relationship and Mars needs to show up, the person who has the most Mars is going to be the one that where it shows up. All right. So two dogs, one bone. This is what Mars, this is what it feels like on a deep unconscious level and it activates something or where it makes me think there's a my daughter across player.
教练迪克表示在训练营期间不会有欺凌行为。他说，如果你是欺凌他人的人，你就得离开这里。他还说，如果你是被欺凌的人，你也得离开这里。因为在一个真空环境中，如果我们在一个房间里，而火星能量需要展现，或者在一段关系中需要展现火星能量，具有最多火星能量的人将会体现出来。这就像“两个狗抢一根骨头”，在深层的无意识层面上，这就是火星的感觉，它激活了一种内在机制，让我联想到我的女儿是一个曲棍球运动员。
And she called me up one day and she said, I got a concussion. You know, and I said, what happened? And she showed me the video. Okay. And then it was right, it wasn't a bone. It was a ball. And it was two girls with lacostics running for the ball. And you could tell the one over here, the one that knocked her out, wanted it more. You know, And it was about, it was a valuable lesson. And I said, if you see that and someone else wants it more, you know, right? Let them have it. Okay. But if you want it more, right? You got to, you got to go get it. You got to go get it. Um, and so I think in relationship, right, letting the person know. And I also think that you said chip and, and, and areas Mars is like, get on board or get out of the way. Yeah. And, and, and giving yourself permission to allow that to be okay. Well, that to be okay.
有一天她给我打电话，说她得了脑震荡。我问发生了什么事，她给我看了视频。视频中可以看出，不是骨头的问题，而是一个球。两个女生拿着曲棍球杆在争夺这个球。很明显，把她撞倒的那个女孩更想得到这个球。这是一堂重要的课。我对她说，如果你发现别人比你更想要这个，那就让给她吧。但是，如果你也更想要这个东西，你就必须努力去争取。
在关系中，我觉得要让对方知道自己的想法。同样地，就像你提到的，金牛座和火星在一起时，要求就是——要么加入，要么让开。此外，要允许自己明白，这样的选择是可以接受的。
Um. Well, I want to thank you for your, for your wise words. Um, and I, you know, I, I think in terms of parables. And I think people who have truly lived, right, is our story, our, our stories are parables of, you know, the process of getting there. And that process are ups and downs. But if we, this is the most saddened, if we stay on course and keep moving towards what we're passionate about, things will work out.
嗯，我想感谢你说的那些智慧的话。我总是用寓言的方式来思考。我认为那些真正经历过生活的人，他们的故事就像寓言，反映了我们走向目标的过程。在这个过程中，我们会经历起伏。但最令人难过的是，如果我们坚持走在正确的道路上，并继续朝着我们热爱的方向前进，事情终将会有好的结果。
Yeah. Well, then honor to be here with you and your community. And, um, yeah, check out the podcast with, with Ricky and me and check out the MIA website, which was, uh, put in the chat earlier MIA wisdom.com. We'd love to see you.
是的，很荣幸能和你以及你的社群在一起。嗯，可以去听一下我和Ricky的播客，也可以查看一下之前在聊天中提到过的MIA网站，网址是MIAwisdom.com。我们非常期待你的访问。
Yeah. Well, um, thank you, chip and, uh, I, I know you didn't go to SC, but fight on. All right. Yeah. See you guys later. All right. Bye-bye.
好的，嗯，谢谢你，Chip，虽然你没有去南加州大学，但要继续努力。好的，再见。