Recurrence Transits in Astrology
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Hey, my name is Chris Brennan and you're listening to the Astrology podcast. Joining me today is Astrologer Nick Digg and Best and we're going to be talking about a technique known as recurrence transits and doing an introductory workshop on this topic and on this otherwise not very well-known technique in the English-speaking world. So hey, Nick, welcome. Thanks for joining me. Hey Chris, thanks for having me back. It's great to be here.
嗨，我是克里斯·布伦南，您正在收听的是占星播客。今天我的嘉宾是占星师尼克·迪格，今天我们将讨论一种被称为“再现推运”的技术，并对这个话题进行一个入门研讨会。这个技术在讲英语的世界中相对不太为人所知。嗨，尼克，欢迎你。谢谢你邀请我回来，克里斯，很高兴能在这里。
Yeah, so this is a big technique. This is a technique that you have actually been talking about for a while for many years now that I've just been finally starting to come around to over the past few years and I finally feel confident about the technique and ready to talk about and give a workshop on it and I'm excited to do this with you. So let's start by defining the technique really quickly at the beginning just to give people an idea of what we're going to be talking about.
是的，这是一项很重要的技巧。实际上，这是你多年来一直在谈论的一种技巧，而我仅仅在过去几年才开始逐渐理解这个技巧。现在，我终于对这个技巧充满信心，并准备好在研讨会上分享它。我很高兴能和你一起进行这个活动。让我们在开始时先快速定义一下这个技巧，以便给大家一个了解我们即将讨论内容的概念。
So a recurrence transit, the premise of a recurrence transit is that when there's an aspect between two planets in a person's birth chart that at some point in the future when that aspect repeats in the sky between two those same two planets that an important event or moment will happen in that person's life. So for example, let's say if a person was born with a Venus Jupiter conjunction in their birth chart, then at some point in the future when Venus and Jupiter align in a conjunction in the sky that will coincide with an important moment or an important turning point in that person's life and this can apply to other aspects as well so that there's this repeat or replication or recurrence of a natal planetary alignment in a mundane aspect in the sky.
重复的行运，或者我们称之为再现行运，其前提是：在一个人的出生星图中，如果有两个行星之间的特定相位，那么在未来的某个时刻，当天空中这两个行星再次形成相同相位时，这个人的生活中可能会发生一个重要事件或转折点。举个例子，如果一个人在他的出生星图中有金星与木星合相，那么当未来金星和木星在天空中再次合相时，这个时刻将会与他生活中的一个重要时刻或转折点相吻合。这种理念同样可以应用于其他相位，也就是说，当出生星图中的某个行星配置在天空中重复出现时，可能也会带来重要的变化或事件。
Is that a good definition of it? Yeah, that's pretty good. It's yeah, if you have a given aspect in your chart and on any given day that same aspect is repeated by the same two planets, even if those two bodies aren't making any kind of a diacol or spectral type of contact to the natal chart, just that repetition of having the same two bodies in the same configuration in your birth chart and on a given day, that is still a transit of sorts. It's not something that's true. It's not something you read about much in astrology texts or what have you not in the English world, but they are trans. It's just as much as the ones that we do learn and study and use the ones that do, you know, with Saturn makes a trying to your son and that kind of thing.
这算是一个好定义吗？是的，这挺好的。就是说，如果你的星盘中有某个特定相位，而在某一天，这个相位由同样的两颗行星再次出现，即使这两颗天体没有对本命盘产生任何明显的接触或影响，仅仅是因为在你的出生星盘和某一天出现了相同的星体配置，这仍然算是一种过境。这并不是在占星术书籍或英语世界中常常提到的东西，但它们确实是过境现象，和那些我们学习、研究和使用的，比如土星与太阳形成三合相的过境一样重要。
We understand transits at that level. These are no less or more important, but they're just it's really a matter of the geometry between these two bodies being repeated, being echoed or mirrored on a given day. Right. So it's like there's a transiting aspect that mirrors an aspect that was found in a given nativity or the way I was formulating it last night was if a person is born under a specific celestial alignment that important moments in their life will happen when the same celestial alignment reoccurs in the sky.
我们理解这种程度的行星过境现象。这些过境现象的意义并不算多，也不算少，而是两颗天体之间的几何关系在某一天被重复、反映或映射出来。就是说，当天的过境相位反映了某个人出生时的本命相位。或者，更简单地说，如果一个人是在特定的天体排列下出生的，那么当这种天体排列再次出现在天空时，他们生命中的重要时刻就会发生。
And that kind of covers like a very broad category of this technique and some of the like subsets of it, I think that we've been working on over the past few years. And one of the things you said that's important about this is this is really different than how we're used to thinking about transits and how transits are usually defined because strictly speaking usually a transit is when a planet in the sky makes an aspect to a planet or a point in the birth chart. But in this instance, we're talking about an alignment in the birth chart being repeated in the sky.
这大致涵盖了这一技术的广泛类别及其一些子集，我认为这是我们在过去几年一直在研究的领域。你提到的一个重要点是，这与我们惯常思考和定义"行运"方式有很大的不同。通常来说，严格定义上的行运是指天空中的行星与出生星盘中的某个行星或点形成相位。而在这个例子中，我们讨论的是星盘中的一种排列在天空中被重复了。
So that's quite different than how like contemporary transit theory is usually conceptualized at least in the English speaking world. Yeah, yeah, it's certainly it's something that I've never come across in any text whatsoever. Well, until earlier today when you shared a German one with me that I didn't know existed until you shared it. But yeah, it's not something anyone reads about. The only reason I learned about them was my teacher Michael Luton when I was taking a class with him in 1999 2000.
这与当今英语世界通常所理解的现代交通理论有很大不同。是的，是的，这是我从未在任何文本中遇到过的，至少在你今天早些时候与我分享了一本我之前不知道存在的德语书之前是这样。但这不是人们通常会阅读的东西。我之所以知道这些，仅仅是因为我在1999到2000年间上了一门Michael Luton的课，他是我的老师。
So one of the things that you said because you lectured on this back in you act in 2012 and you said that these transits can be extremely powerful even if they don't make a zodiacal contact to any point in a given chart. And I think that's so crucial and that's one of the disconnects and one of the issues I had for years because I've been aware of this technique through you since the mid to late 2000s. But my understanding and grounding in transit theory it's always been very strong that it's like for a transit to be relevant for something in the sky in the present to be relevant to an individual. It has to be aspecting something in their birth chart and if it's not then it's not going to be personally relevant.
所以，有一件事你提到过，因为你在2012年就对此进行过讲座，你说这些过境现象即使没有在任何星盘中的点上形成星座接触，也会非常强大。我认为这是非常关键的，这也是多年来困扰我的一个问题，因为自2000年代中后期以来，我就通过你了解到了这一技术。但我一直以来对过境理论的理解和基础都非常强烈地认为，过境要对个人有意义，必须要与他们的出生星盘中的某些点形成相位。如果没有这种联系，那它就不会对个人产生影响。
But in this technique it actually shows a way in which the alignment of the planets in the sky currently if it's repeating an aspect in the birth chart can actually still be relevant in the life of the individual even if there's no natal contact. Yeah, so that's different and one of the points then is that it creates a model where there's like a resonance between the alignment in the birth chart and the alignment of the planets at some point in the future when that same alignment repeats in the sky.
在这项技术中，它实际上展示了一种方式，即使天空中行星的位置在当前重复一个出生星图中的相位，它仍然可能对个人的生活有重要影响，即便在本命盘中没有直接接触。这与其他理论不同，其中一个要点是，它创造了一个模型，说明在未来某个时刻，当天空中再次出现相同性位置时，出生星图中的行星位置与当前行星位置之间可能会产生一种共振。
And I've been thinking about this and one of the analogies that came up with recently was that it's kind of like music that's playing at the moment of a person's birth and then it's what happens when that same music starts playing again at some critical point in their life in the in the future when the same two planets align. And I kind of thought about how like you know in the HBO series Game of Thrones they actually had a professional composer like design a song that was specific to each character and each character had like a rousing emotional song that over the course of the series when it would start playing when that character was doing like really important moments when like Daenerys would do something or when John Snow would do something and this technique in applying to charts it reminds me of that because it's almost like a person is born with a certain alignment.
我最近一直在思考这个问题，其中一个让我联想到的比喻是，这有点像一个人在出生时响起的音乐，然后在他们生命中的某个关键时刻，当两个相同的行星再次对齐时，那段音乐再次响起。我想到HBO的电视剧《权力的游戏》中，他们实际上找了一位专业作曲家为每个角色设计了专属的歌曲。每个角色都有一首振奋人心的情感之歌，当这个角色经历重要时刻时，比如丹妮莉丝采取行动或琼恩·雪诺做出决定，这首歌就会开始播放。在分析命盘时，这种技巧让我想起这一点，因为这就好像一个人在某种特定的天体排列下诞生一样。
And then that alignment happens at some point later in the life in the future and then like your theme song that theme song starts playing again all of a sudden you start doing important stuff around that time. That's one of the ways that I've conceptualized it. How do you conceptualize it? Yeah no that's a good one. I never watched Game of Thrones but I you know I remember Darth Vader had his own theme you know whenever he comes on screen in any of the Star Wars movies there's a very specific theme music that comes on that lets you know he's you're about to have a Darth Vader scene even if you don't see him yet.
在生活的某个时刻，某种对齐就会发生，就像你的主题曲突然开始再次播放。然后你在那个时间段开始做一些重要的事情。这就是我理解这个概念的一种方式。你是怎么理解的？是的，这个比喻很好。我从来没有看过《权力的游戏》，但是我记得达斯·维达在每部《星球大战》电影中都有自己的主题曲。每当他出场时，都会有一段很特别的音乐响起，即使你还没看到他，也能知道即将进入达斯·维达的场景。
Yeah no that's a good way of putting it. I think they're almost like harmonies to the melody the like the the the natal chart is the the original melody and then these recurrence transits are like harmonies the same rhythm pattern the same you know but but maybe in a different key i.e. maybe in a different sign and you know so that that also accounts that that analogy accounts for what is the same but also what is different about a recurrence transit relative to the natal aspect.
是的，你这样表达非常好。我认为它们几乎就像和声对旋律的关系。就像本命星盘是原始旋律，而这些重复运行就像和声，它们有相同的节奏模式，但可能是在不同的调，即不同的星座。因此，这个比喻既解释了重复运行与本命星盘有什么相同之处，也解释了它们有什么不同之处。
Right because you bring up an important point that for example we're talking about conjunctions or recurrence of conjunctions it doesn't have to be in like the same sign it may be more powerful if it if it happens to be in the same sign but a recurrence transit is just a realignment or recurrence of the aspect between the two planets wherever they are in the zodiac or wherever they are in the sky.
当然，因为你提到了一个重要的观点，比如我们在讨论合相或合相的重复时，它不一定非要发生在同一个星座里。如果确实发生在同一星座，可能会更有影响力，但重复的过境实际上只是两个行星之间的某种相位在黄道带中的重新排列或再次出现，无论它们在哪里。
Yeah and they're just I mean again going to a musical analogy there is a theme in the life not necessarily a musical theme but a combination of two planets an aspect in a person's chart that it means something you know it's it's it represents certain experiences or certain innate traits or or what have you and whenever a recurrence transit happens it's sort of it it's it's a recurrence of that theme so that's another way that that musical analogy works because it is sort of like oh here's that melody again um the context might be different it might be in a different key or or what have you but it's it's that melody unmistakable it's it's that person's moment.
是的，这就像一个音乐类比。生活中存在一个主题，这个主题并不一定是音乐主题，而是星盘中两个行星和某种相位的组合，这意味着一些特定的体验或内在特质。当再现的过境发生时，这个主题又会再次出现。这种再现有点像：哦，那段旋律又来了，尽管背景可能不同，可能在不同的调式中，但旋律无疑是相同的，这是属于那个人的独特时刻。
Yeah because like right now for example there's a mercury Mars conjunction in the sky and mercury has just stationed retrograde we're recording this on what Sunday in November 9th 2025 and we started what 10 minutes ago sort of like 1143 am with Capricorn rising and I've noticed in the in the news in the past few weeks that people that were born with mercury Mars conjunctions in their birth chart are suddenly becoming prominent and like popping up in the news like for example one of them who's born with mercury Mars conjunction which was Charlie Kirk and that aspect occurred after his assassination when he was awarded the presidential medal of freedom like the following month basically very close to to the mercury Mars conjunction in Scorpio which repeated his natal mercury Mars conjunction in Scorpio or alternatively just a few days ago Zorhan Mandani was became the mayor of New York he won the the New York mayor race and he was born with a mercury Mars conjunction in Scorpio as well and a completely different year from Charlie Kirk and yet both of them become prominent around this time when mercury and Mars are forming this close conjunction in the sky that's getting elongated because mercury is slowing down and stationing retrograde at the same time so that's kind of an example of what we mean when we say that you know important moments can start happening when people have that that in their birth chart right right yeah perfect examples perfect recent examples yeah um okay so that's the initial introduction um so I do want to talk about the history and we have a little piece on that so sorry for delaying that until later but I just wanted to make sure we did it my apologies that's okay my apology for cutting you off.
好的，因为像现在这样，比如天空中有水星与火星的合相，而水星刚刚开始逆行。我们正在2025年11月9日星期日录制这个内容，大约10分钟前开始，大概是上午11:43，摩羯座在上升。我注意到在过去几周的新闻中，那些出生时星盘中有水星与火星合相的人突然变得有名，比如查理·柯克就是其中之一，他出生时就有水星与火星的合相。这种天象在他被追授总统自由勋章的次月出现，与他的本命水火合相非常接近或几乎相同。或者，就在几天前，索汉·曼达尼成为了纽约市长，他赢得了纽约市长选举，而他出生时也有一个在天蝎座的水星与火星合相，这与查理·柯克是不同的年份。然而，当天空中水星与火星形成紧密合相、水星减速并开始逆行时，他们俩都在这个时候变得突出。这就是我们所说的重要时刻可能发生在那些星盘中有这种配置的人身上的例子，是的，非常好的例子，非常近期的例子。那么这就是最初的介绍，我确实想谈谈历史，我们对此有一点内容。抱歉延迟到后面才提到，但我只是想确保我们完成了介绍，对不起中途打断。
So in the English speaking world this is at the present time this is not a very common or well-known technique and that's kind of why our purpose here today is to introduce the technique and give a workshop on it so I learned the technique first from you as I said around when we became friends around you know 2004 2005 in the mid 2000s and you learned it from an astrologer named Michael Luton in the late 1990s and you've given lectures on the topic and our friend Patrick Watson learned the technique from you and he's also talked about it a lot over the years although you're really the primary proponent of it that I know at least that I'm familiar with in the English speaking world and for some reason it's not well known as a technique and so we were trying to research this week and trying to figure out like where did Michael Luton learn it from and sort of research those threads but maybe first let's hear what's the story of how you learned the technique from Michael.
所以，在英语世界中，这项技术目前并不常见或知名，这也是我们今天在这里的目的之一，即介绍这个技术并举办一个相关的工作坊。我最初是在我们成为朋友的时候，也就是2004-2005年中期向您学习了这种技术，而您则是在1990年代末从一位名叫迈克尔·鲁顿的占星师那里学到的，并且您也就这个主题进行过多次讲座。我们的朋友帕特里克·沃森也是从您那里学到这项技术的，多年来他也经常谈及这一点。虽然在我所知的英语世界中，您是这项技术的主要倡导者之一，但出于某些原因，该技术仍不广为人知。本周我们尝试研究，试图了解迈克尔·鲁顿是从哪里学到这项技术的，以及追踪相关的线索。但也许我们应该先听听您是如何从迈克尔那里学到这项技术的。
Yeah um I took a course with Michael Luton in astrology class from January of 99 until the spring or early summer of 2000 when I left New York for good and um during you know it was a wonderful class I learned so much um not just astrology but about how to be an astrologer in so many different ways um but I would I would often sort of pastor him for astrological nuggets I was a very hungry student you know I wanted to know more and Michael started talking about recurrence transits and then I would go often and research things and then come back to the next class and rattle off whatever research I had done over the course of the week and that that conversation would keep going um and indeed I mean he really was the only person I the the only astrologer I studied with many different astrologers during that period he was the only one I I met who knew anything about this technique and I had never read it about it in any books.
好的，嗯，我在1999年1月到2000年春末或初夏之间参加了迈克尔·卢顿的占星课，之后我就永久离开了纽约。在这段时间里，这是一门非常棒的课程，我学到了很多，不仅仅是关于占星术，还学到了如何以多种方式成为一名占星师。我经常会向他请教一些占星知识，因为我是一名非常渴求知识的学生，总想知道更多。迈克尔开始谈论循环行运，然后我经常去研究并在下一节课上与他分享我的研究成果，我们会继续讨论。在那个时期，我与许多不同的占星师学习过，但他是唯一一个了解这一技术的人。我从未在任何书籍中读过相关内容。
In discussing it with astrologers the only time I ever discussed it with astrologers who seemed to know what I was talking about before I had to explain it to them um where some French speaking astrologers I knew in Montreal which is interesting because Michael Luton spoke French and lived in Paris for a stretch of his life so you and I surmised because um because Michael spoke French and had lived in Paris and because the only astrologers I ever met who knew about this technique were also French speaking we're like oh well maybe this is something that's more common in the French speaking astrological world or in the European astrological world or what have you and it's just something that has literally hasn't you know been translated I suppose.
在与占星家讨论时，我唯一一次无需向他们解释就能理解我所说内容的是一些我在蒙特利尔认识的讲法语的占星家。这个现象很有趣，因为Michael Luton会说法语并且在巴黎生活过一段时间。因此，我们推测，由于Michael说法语并在巴黎生活，而我所认识的唯一了解此技术的占星家也是讲法语的，所以可能这在法语占星界或欧洲占星界更为常见，只是可能尚未被翻译到其他语言。
Right yeah I um I always just I assumed Michael got it for some reason I I was under the assumption he got it from like Uranian astrologers or cosmobiology or something like that because it sounds almost typically like something a Uranian or cosmobiology astrologer would use but a few nights ago I asked um my Uranian astrology friends got silverman about it and he happened to be talking to Gary Christian over zoom at the time that I emailed him who's one of the main Uranian astrologers in the US and Gary said no it's it's not a Uranian or cosmobiology technique as far as I'm aware.
好的，我一直以为迈克尔是从天王星占星术或宇宙生物学那里学到的，感觉这很像是天王星占星家或宇宙生物学家会使用的东西。不过，几天前我问了我研究天王星占星术的朋友，他们刚好在用视频和美国主要的天王星占星家之一，盖瑞·克里斯蒂安聊天。我通过邮件问起这事，盖瑞说，据他所知，这不是天王星占星术或宇宙生物学的技术。
So one of the things I did remember though is that on astro.com they have for many years they've had something in their personal daily horoscope where it lets you know when the natal moon aspect that the moon has to the sun in your birth chart recurs in your personal daily transits each month which happens once a month the natal moon phase is is is occurred so I emailed aloe strendle the founder of astro deans to ask him about this and he said that he had incorporated that from like an earlier Czech medical astrologer who did it in the context of some discussions about fertility and astrological fertility but he also said that he had heard of this technique since like the late 1970s or early 80s in the German speaking world.
在astro.com网站上，我记得有一个特点就是他们多年来在个人每日星座运势中提供了月亮与太阳在出生星盘中的相位信息。这种相位每月会在你的个人每日过境中出现一次，也就是所谓的本命月亮相位再现。为了了解更多，我给astro.com的创始人Aloe Strendle发了邮件询问。他表示，这个功能是受一位早期的捷克医学占星师启发的，该占星师在关于生育和占星学中的生育问题的讨论中使用了这一技术。Aloe还提到，他从20世纪70年代末或80年代初在德语国家就听说过这种技术。
And aloeists specifically pointed out a passage in the 1929 book Cursister astrology from an astrologer named Herbert Frieher von Klocker volume three of his work page 123 and he sent me the passage and it does seem to be talking about this technique of what we're calling recurrence transits he called it a zodiacal or a what is a constellation recurrence or something like that I wrote it down elsewhere but it does seem like you said constellation recurrence constellation that's what it was that's that's what you told me you read.
芦荟学者特别指出了一段文字，来自1929年由占星家Herbert Frieher von Klocker撰写的《Cursister Astrology》一书中的第三卷第123页。他把这段文字发给了我，它确实似乎在讨论一种我们称为"回归过境"的技术。他称之为"黄道带回归"或"星座回归"之类的。我把它记在别处，但确实像你说的那样是"星座回归"，对，就是你告诉我你读到的。
Yeah yeah okay so so that means the technique did exist at least in the German speaking astrological community from 1929 forward and that his book was influential somewhat influential so it would have been known for others so it may just be one of those things that exists in German or in European astrological circles that didn't really make it into English at least as far as the text that you and I have studied for the most part when we were when I was coming up at least in terms of transits we did know you know you and I interacted with another astrologer named Robert Blaschky years ago on the Myspace astrology forums.
好的，那么这意味着，至少从1929年开始，这种技术确实存在于德语占星界，并且他的书有一定的影响力，所以其他人也可能知道它。这可能是那些存在于德语或欧洲占星圈的技术，但至少在我们研究的英文文本中并没有广泛传播。我们在成长过程中了解过转换占星术，曾在Myspace占星论坛上与另一位名叫Robert Blaschky的占星师交流。
He said that he had like a somewhat similar technique similar to his work on holographic transits but I just called Jen Zart who recently republished his works today and the way that she explained it to me it didn't really sound exactly like recurrence transits because there was a lot of other stuff going on involving the sun and the synotics like with the sun and other things like that like Sabian symbols so I'm not sure that it was really recurrence transits as we're focusing on it here that he was necessarily a proponent of.
他说他有一种与他在全息过境方面的工作有些相似的技术，但我刚和最近重新出版他作品的Jen Zart通了电话。她向我解释的方式并不完全像是重复过境，因为其中涉及到很多其他东西，比如太阳和合周期学，还包括像萨宾符号这样的东西。所以我不确定他是否真的在这里支持我们所关注的重复过境。
So the technique is kind of similar it does remind me of a technique in Ptolemy it's somewhat like reminiscent of it that he calls proper face from the second century and the premise of this is he he talks about in the context of a discussion about dignity of the planets and he. says that a planet is stronger or or sort of like dignified when it repeats the aspect with one of the luminaries that that planet had in the Thee Mammundi so for example like a sex tile with the sun for Venus or with Venus in the moon or a square between Mars and the Sun or a square between Mars and the moon from the same side it has to be the same phase relationship as well so that's something that's not an exact parallel but because we're applying this more to like transits rather than a natal aspect to the like mythical birth chart for the creation of the world but there is like an almost like similarity there going back to that second century text in some ways.
这个技术有点类似于托勒密的一种技术，让我想起了他在公元二世纪称为“适当面貌”的概念。这个想法是关于行星的尊严讨论中，他提到当一个行星与一个光体（太阳或月亮）重复最初在“世界诞生星图”（Thee Mammundi）中的相位时，行星会变得更加强大或尊贵。例如，金星与太阳的六分相或金星与月亮的六分相，或者是火星和太阳的四分相、火星和月亮的四分相，而且这些相位关系必须在同一阶段才行。虽然这并不是完全相同的概念，因为我们在这里更多地应用于行星运行过程中的换位，而不是在神话中的世界诞生星图中的天生相位，但在某种程度上，这确实与那个二世纪的文本有些相似之处。
Yeah I would say that's adjacent anyway as a concept to what we're talking about um my feeling about the minute from what I understand a Robert Blaschke's work yeah it's sort of like a recurrence transit with a lot of other sort of ideas mixed in my sort of view of recurrence transits is more in line with the kind of neo-babolonian thing I do you know very simple just like the you know two planets coming together same two bodies and the same configuration and they can be anywhere it's very it's a visual you know like a lot of astrology used to be anyway it's a it's a visual key to you know a pattern that's found in the natal chart and I really do think of them in the same way that that you know with with the the synodic cycles that you and I have talked about in other episodes um these are very sort of basic astronomical manifestations of astrology like much simpler than than Horus anything in Horus' topic astrology and even though you know I learned about recurrence transits from Michael just like I learned about synodic cycles really first from Robert Schmidt I'd say studying Hellenistic astrology.
好的，我会尽量用简单的中文来表达这个意思。大意是：
“嗯，我认为这个概念与我们讨论的内容有些相近。根据我对罗伯特·布拉什克作品的理解，我的感觉是它像是一种重复的过境现象，只是混合了很多其他的想法。我个人对重复过境的看法更接近于新巴比伦风格，非常简单，就像两个行星在相同的配置下再次相遇，它们可以在任何地方。这是一种视觉上的东西，就像很多过去的占星术一样，是对出生图中某种模式的视觉提示。我实际上把它们看作与我们在其他集数中谈论的会合周期类似的东西，它们是非常基本的天文表现形式，比起其他复杂的占星话题要简单得多。尽管我最初是通过迈克尔了解重复过境现象的，就像先从罗伯特·施密特那里学到关于会合周期的知识一样，我会说这是在研究古希腊占星术时学到的。”
I think even if they hadn't told me about them because of the kind of work that I've done over 20 30 years where I've just been making these chart files and looking at a lot of transits of different people's lives and really studying them closely I can easily imagine anyone sort of rediscovering them for themselves like you if you just go out and study astrology for a good long time especially like transits and lifetimes and that the kind of thing I've been doing yeah someone wouldn't necessarily have to tell you I think if you you worked out it long enough you would just discover it yourself you know um and and my suspicion is that these are actually quite old and and well-worn astrological techniques that just don't happen to have made it into the 20th century English astrological lexicon which we can think of as being this really big thing but but you know it's yet another branch on this very big tree.
我想，即使他们没告诉我这些东西，由于过去二三十年我所做的工作，让我一直在制作这些图表文件，并仔细研究很多人的生命轨迹，我可以轻易地想象出任何人可能会自己重新发现这些东西。例如如果你自己去深入研究占星学，尤其是像生命轨迹和周期这样的内容，即便没有人告诉你，我觉得如果你花足够长的时间研究，你也会自己发现这些技巧。我的猜测是，这些实际上是非常古老且被频繁使用的占星技术，只是恰好没有被纳入20世纪的英语占星词典中。虽然我们可能认为英语占星词典是一个非常大的体系，但其实它只是这个巨大树状结构上的又一个分支。
Yeah totally yeah I mean to the extent that the technique works it's possible that it's been rediscovered independently at different times in the long history of astrology but it's hard to say and and ultimately more historical research is needed to trace the origins and and who's been using it at different times because we're just barely scratching the surface here but I hope that gives people some leads and if people know more information about who's used it in the past contemporary or further back let us know in the YouTube comments and that'll help contribute to that research.
是的，完全同意。我的意思是，这种技术在一定程度上能够奏效，可能在占星术的悠久历史中，不同时间点被独立地重新发现过。但很难确切说清楚，最终还是需要更多的历史研究来追溯其起源，以及在不同时期由谁使用过。我们现在仅仅是触及到了皮毛。希望这能给大家一些线索，如果有人知道更多关于这一技术在过去或当代的使用情况，请在YouTube评论中告诉我们，这将有助于这方面的研究。
Hey so quick addendum as I'm editing this episode in post but I was rereading through the 2nd century astrologer Vadeus Valens the other day and his work the Envology uh because I had this suspicion like I'd seen this technique before somewhere and it was driving me crazy trying to find it and I stumbled across this passage in Valens in book 5 chapter 7 where I'm pretty sure he actually refers to the concept of recurrence transits in this passage using different language.
嗨，我在后期编辑这集的时候，临时有个补充。我前几天在重读2世纪占星家瓦勒斯·瓦伦斯（Vadeus Valens）的作品《占星术》（Envology），因为我有个感觉，好像在哪里见过这种技术。为了找到它，我都快疯了。结果我在瓦伦斯的作品中，无意中发现了这段文字——在第5卷第7章，我几乎可以肯定他在这段中提到了“周期性过境”的概念，只是用了不同的语言来表达。
So here's the passage so Valens says forecasts will be quite definite with respect to actions and critical points when the same stars come into the same configuration that they had at the nativity as the divine creditemus reminds us we append his system to the following chart and the accompanying directions and then he puts this table it's like this simple table that you're supposed to use for the technique and then he says the preceding table is the table of the stars mutual return to the same intervals and configurations then he gives this chart example to demonstrate the technique and it's actually using the birth chart of the emperor Nero and a specific event in his life.
这里是这个段落的翻译：瓦伦斯说，当相同的星星再次形成与出生时相同的配置时，预测将会对行动和关键点非常明确，正如神秘主义者Creditemus提醒我们的那样。我们将他的系统添加到以下的图表和附带的说明中。他接着放了一个简单的表格，供这个方法使用。然后他说，前面的表格显示了星星重新回到相同间隔和配置的位置。接着，他提供了一个图表示例来展示这个技巧，实际上使用的是皇帝尼禄的出生图以及他生活中的一个特定事件。
So after the chart example he summarizes this entire section by saying the chronocraters or the time lords found by using these intervals will be incontrovertibly active and operative when their rulers at the nativity have the same intervals in their transits. at the timing question as they had at the nativity so when the rulers at the nativity have the same intervals in their transits at the timing question as they had at the nativity and this is from Mark Riley's translation of Vides' Valens book 5 chapter 7 sentences 17 through 36 so this passage is there's a few things it's within the context of discussion about valens's advanced method of perfections and a particularly complicated approach to perfections that he got from the work of creditemus.
在图表示例之后，他总结了整个部分，指出通过这些时间间隔找到的时间之主（chronocraters）在他们的出生时的主宰行星在过境时具有相同的时间间隔时，将不可否认地活跃和起作用。当在关键时刻，出生时的主宰行星在过境时拥有与出生时相同的时间间隔时，这些时间之主将表现得格外明显。这段话出自马克·莱利翻译的维德斯《瓦伦斯书》第五卷第七章第十七到三十六句。这段文字讨论的是瓦伦斯的高级推运法，即他从克雷迪泰穆斯的作品中学习到的一种特别复杂的推运方法。
I think it's especially interesting that he cites creditemus at this point because it means that he's drawing on an earlier astrologer for this concept and technique so it's not something that valens invented himself. so creditemus probably lived around the first century BCE and valens may have been drawing on a commentary that was written on creditemus's work sometime around the late first century CE or at least that's the speculation of some of the editors of valens's texts like David Pingri who believed that creditemus wrote earlier and then that valens was drawing on some commentary on creditemus that was written around the late first century and that's why it was able to use Nero's chart and to use a specific date in Nero's chart.
我觉得他在这个时候引用Creditemus特别有趣，因为这意味着他在这个概念和技术上借鉴了一位更早期的占星家，而不是Valens自己发明的。Creditemus可能生活在公元前一世纪，而Valens可能参考了公元后第一世纪后期写的关于Creditemus作品的评论，或者至少这是一些Valens文本编辑如David Pingri的推测，他们认为Creditemus写作的时间较早，而Valens依赖于对Creditemus的评论，这评论大约在公元一世纪末写成，这也解释了他为何能使用尼禄的星盘和特定日期。
Anyway to make a long story short what I get from this is it means that the concept of recurrence transits did exist in the earlier Hellenistic tradition and at least we have this passing reference to it and there may be other references to the concept at other points in the tradition as well. So it's worth researching a lot further Nick and I had said that we only skimmed the surface and we were just giving people some ideas of like where we got the technique from or what we were aware of up to that point but I suspect that the technique may have showed up at different points in history like we said either through tradition or simply through being rediscovered at different points independently.
简单来说，我从这段文字中了解到，重现过境这一概念确实存在于早期的希腊传统中，至少我们有一些提及。很可能在传统的其他部分也有对这一概念的引用。因此，这值得我们进行更深入的研究。我和Nick曾经说过，我们只是略微触及了这一主题，并只是给大家一些关于我们是如何得知这一技术的信息或者我们当时所了解的内容。但我怀疑这一技术可能在历史上的不同阶段出现过，就像我们所说的，可能是通过传统传承下来，或者是在不同时间点被独立重新发现的。
So I hope this passage though at least gives you some idea that there's a little bit more traditional grounding in this technique and ancient astrology than it might seem like at first. So briefly because we mentioned Michael I just want to mention briefly a little bit about him because Michael Luton was a fixture of the New York City astrological community for many years and he was perhaps like most famous because he was the in-house astrologer for Vanity Fair magazine for about 25 years which made him very prominent with some of the articles he wrote including his famous article about like Pluto and Capricorn that he wrote ahead of the the ingress of that that transit and then ended up being very accurate in terms of some its predictions.
所以，我希望这段文字至少能让你明白，这项技术和古老占星术有一些更为传统的基础，而不是仅仅看起来那么简单。既然提到了迈克尔，我想简单介绍一下他，因为迈克尔·卢顿在纽约市占星界活跃了许多年。他或许最出名的原因是他在《名利场》杂志担任了大约25年的驻场占星师，这使他因为发表的一些文章而非常有名，其中包括他在冥王星进入摩羯座这一过渡时写的一篇关于冥王星和摩羯座的著名文章，该文章在某些预测上非常准确。
He would also through Vanity Fair like end up at like the Oscar parties and stuff like that and like sort of hop-knobbing with famous celebrities and stuff for many years and he was also known to put on these elaborate plays at astrological conferences ended a number of those over the years but I wanted to mention him because as I was preparing this was rushing to finish this last night and try to trace the origins of the technique I realized he actually passed away a year ago tomorrow so pretty much to the day on November 10th 2024 and he was born at the time of a Mercury Mars conjunction and there's a Mercury Mars conjunction that's happening in the sky right now.
他通过《名利场》最终会出现在奥斯卡派对等活动中，与众多名人交往多年。他还以在占星会议上制作精美的戏剧而闻名，多年来参与了许多此类戏剧。我想提到他是因为在准备这个的时候，我昨晚急于完成并试图追溯这一技术的起源时，我意识到他实际上在一年前的明天去世，也就是几乎正好在2024年11月10日。他出生时正好有一次水星与火星的合相，而现在天空中也正好有一次水星与火星的合相。
So there's actually recurrence transit as we're you know the relates to him as we're talking about recurrence transit and we just happened to accidentally be doing this on the anniversary of his passing away so I wanted to give him a shout out and give him thanks for that and and respect for that especially because like I'd always wanted to interview him over the years but then we tried to sit up towards the end of his life but it didn't end up happening and then he got ill and he passed away. So I'm glad that we could like accidentally do something like remember him like a year after his passing yeah yeah it's I mean it's a pity too because he was such a fascinating guy with this always with a million stories to tell and very funny as anyone who ever you know encountered him in person and live on stage he was he was as talented as any stand-up comedian.
所以说，我们现在谈论到的这个“轨道重现”其实跟他有关系，巧合的是，我们居然在他去世周年的时候偶然谈到了这个话题。因此，我想向他表达敬意和感谢。特别是因为，多年来我一直想采访他，但直到他生命的最后阶段我们才尝试安排这件事，可惜并没有实现。随后他生病了，并且去世。所以我很高兴我们能在不经意间在他去世一周年的时候这样纪念他。是的，真是遗憾，因为他是个非常迷人的人，总是有无数的故事可以讲，特别有趣，任何见过他的人或是在台上见过他表演的人都知道，他的才华堪比任何一位脱口秀喜剧演员。
But I can tell you just being in his weekly astrology class in his little office library um he was you know top shelf funny all the time and interesting and despite being this you know pop astrologer who wrote the Sun sign column for Vanity Fair a really knowledgeable sophisticated astrologer um and uh I used to I used to read his Vanity Fair column in the magazine store a block away from his office before going to class and I'd always wonder like is he spying on me is he talking to my friends about me how does he know what's going on it was really spooky and then I'd go sit in that classroom um and and you know wonder these things and of course he didn't know anything he was just you know being an astrologer but he was that good at it and um yeah you know all these stories the Oscar parties because Vanity Fair hosted the the biggest Oscar party and so as a staff member you got a free ticket he was there every year for years um so yeah very you know the astrologers life we all would would love to have and um you know it is a pity you didn't have him on the show because he would have been a real um fantastic guest but um yeah remembering him a year after his passing is this is very fitting I want to thank him too um you know everything he gave me as a teacher is really stayed with me yeah definitely um
我可以告诉你，参加他每周的占星课，总是充满了乐趣和趣味。这是在他的小型办公室图书馆里进行的，他总是表现得幽默风趣，令人着迷。虽然他写过《名利场》的太阳星座专栏，是个流行占星师，但他其实是个知识渊博、品味高雅的占星学家。我以前常常在离他办公室一个街区的杂志店读他的《名利场》专栏，然后去上课。我总是想，他是不是在看着我，是不是在跟我的朋友们聊我，他怎么知道我的生活状况？这实在是太吓人了。然后我就坐在课堂上琢磨这些东西。当然，他什么都不知道，他只是个优秀的占星师。然后，还有那些关于奥斯卡派对的故事，因为《名利场》是主办最大奥斯卡派对的，而作为员工可以免费拿到票。他每年都去好多年了，所以说，这样的占星师生活是我们都向往的。挺遗憾你没能把他请到节目上，他会是一个绝佳的嘉宾。现在，离他去世一年后，我们来纪念他是非常合适的。我也想感谢他，他作为老师教给我的一切一直伴随着我。确实如此。
and there's a great interview I did find this morning I was watching over breakfast where the Kepler College YouTube channel did an interview with him a few years ago I think in 2022 he was interviewed by Caleb Wilkinson and it's a it's a great interview so I'd recommend people search for that and check it out if they'd like more about his life story and like a sense of humor and his some of his techniques and views on astrology it's really it's the interview I would have wanted to do if I if we had worked it out but it didn't didn't end up happening um okay I think that's good um so I want to move on now to really briefly before we jump into the examples um my relationship with the technique which is like I said I've known about the technique for years to like you in Patrick but I never did that much with it and I was honestly like kind of skeptical because it's so foreign from the way we usually work with transits and the way that it's it's like an axiom that like a transit to be important it has to aspect a natal planet in the chart uh was so ingrained in me from my early transit studies of like you know Rob Hans work planets and transit and like following my personal daily horoscope on astro.com every day for many many years and so it sounds weird I think and for many listeners today it may sound weird compared to how you know contemporary transit doctrine works but over the past year or two I've really started to come around and especially as you and I have been doing some of our research our historical research about different mundane planetary recurrences like first with our series on eclipses and history that coincided with major turning points that we did a couple of years ago at the end of 2023 that was like a major game changer at first I think that was at the end of three right?
这段文字的大意是：
今天早上，我在吃早餐时观看了Kepler College YouTube频道的一个采访，这是几年前的视频，可能是在2022年，由Caleb Wilkinson采访了一位被访者。这是一个很棒的采访，我建议大家去搜索并观看，如果他们想了解更多关于他的生活故事、幽默感以及他在占星学上使用的某些技术和观点。这是我本来希望进行的采访，但没能实现。
接下来，我想简要谈谈我与这个技术的关系。就像你和Patrick一样，我已经知道这个技术很多年了，但一直没有深入运用。起初我持怀疑态度，因为这与我们平时处理行星过渡（transits）的方法完全不同。传统上，我们认为重要的过渡必须与本命盘中的行星产生相位。这一观念深深植根于我早期行星过渡研究中，比如参考Rob Hand的著作《Planets in Transit》以及多年来每天在astro.com查看我的个人每日星座运势。所以听起来可能有些奇怪，对于很多今天的听众来说，这种方法可能也不同寻常。但在过去一两年间，尤其是我们进行了一些历史研究及对不同时期行星运动的研究后，我开始改变看法。尤其是在我们关于日食与历史重大转折点系列研究之后，这个研究在2023年年尾发展成为一个重大的突破。
I believe so um yeah ironically this is a timeline I haven't absorbed as well as others but I believe that's right that's like a that's like a Greek mythological figure like of the astrologer who who can memorize everyone's timeline but but his own yeah yeah I am a walking Greek tragedy absolutely absolutely me too um all right so we started doing that work with eclipses and that kind of came up because one of the principles that we really that I got out of that research that became very clear was that if a person was born on an eclipse then future eclipses in their timeline are going to coincide with some of the most important events in their life and that it really stands out that eclipses stand out as even more important for people that were born on eclipses and that's basically the same principle of a recurrence transit because you know if a person was born on a solar eclipse or a lunar eclipse then any future time that there's a solar lunar eclipse that's going to be a recurrence transit for that person and the principle is that it's more important for them personally because they were born on one so it's like we did we did that work um two years ago and then um you and I also did the um Saturn Neptune episode earlier this year on Saturn Neptune conjunctions and that also like necessarily led to some similar things of seeing like especially in the long timeline of like countries that there were certain countries that were probably like born under Saturn Neptune conjunction or had an important foundation date and then recurrence of Saturn Neptune conjunctions would mark really important turning points.
我相信是这样的，嗯，是的，具有讽刺意味的是，这段时间线我没有像其他时间线那样掌握得那么好，但我相信这是对的。这有点像希腊神话中的一个人物，比如一个可以记住每个人时间线的占星师，但偏偏记不住自己的时间线。是的，是的，我简直是一个行走的希腊悲剧，绝对是，绝对是，我也是。好的，所以我们开始与日食有关的工作，这种想法的出现是因为我在研究中发现了一个非常明确的原则：如果一个人出生在日食期间，那么他/她的人生中未来的日食将会与一些最重要的事件重合。而且这的确很突出，对于那些出生在日食上的人来说，日食显得更加重要。这跟重复运行的原则基本相同，你知道的，如果一个人出生在日食或月食时，那么将来任何一次的日月食都是他/她的重复运行事件。原则就是因他们是出生在这一天，所以这些日食对他们个人而言更加重要。我们在两年前做了这个研究，之后，今年早些时候你和我还做了土星和海王星的专题，这不可避免地也引向了一些类似的事情。尤其是在一些国家的长时间线中，我们发现某些国家可能是在土星与海王星相合的期间成立的，或者有一个重要的建国日期，而土星与海王星相合的再次出现会标志着这些国家非常重要的转折点。
Like for example in the history of Russia that was a really major one but also other countries and then finally also some of our work on the Venus retrograde cycle over the course of the past three years um but especially this most recent one earlier this year the Venus retrograde in areas where we could see that especially people that were born under Venus retrograde in areas when that would repeat again in the future like some very defining like turning points in their life would tend to occur and that's also sort of like similar thinking to like the recurrence transit idea I think right?
例如，在俄罗斯历史上，这是一个非常重大的事件，但其他国家也有类似的情况。最后，我们还研究了过去三年间的金星逆行周期，尤其是今年年初发生的最近一次金星逆行。在这个过程中，我们发现，尤其是那些在金星逆行期间出生的人，当这种情况在未来再次发生时，他们的人生往往会出现一些非常关键的转折点。这有点类似于“重复运行”的想法，对吧？
Yeah yeah they do all um the rologues into each other in the sense that it really is about the visual astrology on its own like as if you're looking it in the sky you're not necessarily at the point where you're projecting it onto you know the zodiac or anything like that it's just the sort of the raw combination of two planets I mean when you think about it like synotic cycles and recurrence transits are you know they're astrological phenomena that could be used in any style of astrology you know it's what like I've discussed I've given talks on synotic cycles to Vedic astrologers in India because hey you know it it it it moves it travels you don't you know it it transcends the the system and there's something about it in its own right that has um yeah an astrological message even before you get to the horoscopic level and these might have been the kind of things that astrologers were doing as horoscopic astrology was being developed however that was done this is these are the kinds of things that they would have had to have known you know they they probably knew recurrence transits and synotic cycles before they they were really you know drawing up the whole horoscopic system.
是的，是的，他们确实将这些概念相互联系起来，实际上这真正涉及的是视觉上的占星学，仿佛你直接在天空中观察，而不是把它直接投射到黄道带或类似的系统中。它只是两颗行星的一种原始组合。想想看，会合周期和重复过境等都是可以在任何风格的占星学中使用的天文现象。曾经我在印度与吠陀占星师讨论过会合周期，因为这些概念可以在各个系统中流传，它们超越了具体的占星系统。有些东西本身就具有占星学的信息，甚至在你达到整体星盘的层次之前，就已经存在了。这可能是占星学发展初期，早期占星师们在学习星盘系统之前就已经了解的事情，他们很可能早已知道重复过境和会合周期等概念。
It's thanks to reason this is all inference but it seems very very likely to me that that you know it would come about in that kind of way yeah because that was the other research that led me this way slowly over the past couple of years as well was on the Babylonian planetary long term planetary periods called goal year periods and that's an episode I'm still working on with Patrick on putting together an episode on those um but but you're right that this technique can be zodiac independent like a piece of it is really independent of what zodiac you use whether it's like tropical or sidereal which is one of the interesting things about it.
这都是推测，但我非常非常有把握地认为，会以这种方式产生这种结果。因为在过去几年中，其他研究也慢慢引导我走向这个结论，尤其是关于巴比伦长期行星周期，称为目标年周期的研究。我正在和帕特里克一起制作一集关于这个主题的节目。不过你说得对，这种技术可以与黄道无关，其中一个方面确实不依赖于使用热带黄道还是恒星黄道，这是其中一个有趣的地方。
Yeah yeah so the other clencher though that made me like stand up and start paying more attention finally was last year in the run up to the 2024 US presidential election when we were having some like private discussions as astrologers about like the outcome of the presidential election and the different arguments in favor for the two candidates for like Trump and Harris and who would win based on their birth chart um you had long predicted that you thought Trump would win for different reasons especially um the prominence of Uranus in Gemini and his chart conjunct his son the ruler of his ascendant and and other things like that and then Uranus moving back into Gemini as it did in July of this year for the next seven or eight years.
好的好的，不过真正让我坐起来并开始认真关注这个话题的是去年，为了准备2024年美国总统大选，作为占星师，我们进行了一些私人讨论，讨论总统选举的结果以及支持两位候选人的不同论点，比如特朗普和哈里斯，基于他们的出生星盘谁会获胜。你很早就预测特朗普会赢，原因有很多，尤其是天王星在双子座的位置很显眼，与他的太阳（他上升星座的主宰星）相合，还有其他一些因素。然后，今年7月，天王星又回到双子座，并将在那里停留七到八年。
But one of your other arguments that you made strongly last year um that I remember standing out because I was kind of like nervous about whether that was really a strong enough argument was you said um that Trump has a natal Venus Saturn conjunction and cancer in the 12th house and you notice that on an auguration day on January 20th 2025 that Venus and Saturn would again be conjoined in the sky and Pisces and to you with your long background with occurrence transits that was actually a strong argument that something very important would be happening for him on that day that he'd be having an important turning point moment which by extension meant if he was having that then then it may mean that he won the presidential election and I remember being like thinking you're almost like putting too much emphasis on that aspect.
去年你提出的一个强烈论点让我印象深刻，当时我有些紧张，不确定这是否是一个足够有力的论据。你说特朗普出生图中的金星和土星在第十二宫的巨蟹座合相，而你注意到2025年1月20日就职日当天，金星和土星将在双鱼座再次合相。根据你长期研究行星过境的经验，这对你来说是一个强烈的论据，表明那天对他来说会发生一些非常重要的事情，是一个重要的转折点。而这也意味着他可能赢得了总统大选。我记得当时觉得你可能对这一相位的重视有些过度。
But then you know sure enough like that that happened and you know that's where we're at I think. I think how I put it was I said it looks like his day you like I literally I put it like that and when you think I mean you know no matter what you you know where where you stand on the person it certainly was his day you know what I mean like like the there is a sort of a bear accuracy to that statement it wasn't merely that he had won but and you know it was his day and and that was the thing the Venus Saturn conjunction and Pisces the thing about presidential inaugurations they happen every four years so Venus is only ever in one of two places on presidential inaugurations and that one in Pisces that was conjunct Saturn.
但是，你知道，事情就是这么发生的，我觉得我们就在这样的一个状态。我是这么表达的，我说，这看起来像是他的那一天。无论你对这个人有什么看法，那天确实是属于他的。就是说，这个说法有一种严密的准确性，不仅仅是因为他赢得了什么，而是那天确实是他的日子。这和金星与土星的合相在双鱼座有关，关于总统就职典礼，它们每四年一次，所以金星在就职典礼时通常位于两个位置之一，而这次在双鱼座的合相正好是与土星合相。
If you go back to 2008 when Obama's first inauguration Venus was at that same position in Pisces conjunct Uranus and there was also just that symbolic contrast between Obama no weight being inaugurated under Venus Uranus and Trump in 25 being. inaugurated under Venus Saturn but yeah it was very much like the you know the inauguration is the final word you know winning an election obviously is the is the deciding thing but the the inauguration is the the final word that you know it's done he is now president as of this moment and so seeing that recurrence there on tia there were other supporting things like Uranus and Gemini but that really was the thing that just sort of pointed not only did I think he's going to be president but look at that inauguration it's his day you know it's not just that he's being inaugurated like he's he's won something a little more than an election and you know I think any armchairs armchair psychologists would agree with that.
如果回到2008年，当奥巴马第一次就职时，金星位于双鱼座，与天王星相合。当时就有一种象征性的对比，比如奥巴马在金星与天王星影响下就职，而特朗普在2025年则是在金星与土星的影响下就职。不过，就职典礼的重要性在于，它是最后的确认。在赢得选举后，就职典礼标志着尘埃落定，那个人正式成为总统。所以，当我看到这次的巧合时，还有其他因素支持，比如天王星在双子座，但最引人注目的就是这一点——不仅让人觉得他将担任总统，而且那天的就职典礼就是属于他的时刻。这不仅仅是就职，而是他赢得了比选举更重要的东西，我认为任何非专业心理学家都会同意这种看法。
You know sure yeah and it's like and it's not it's like there are other techniques as well like one of the things was going back years you know one of the things that tripped me up way back in 2016 is we could always see that InzaDyke releasing which is like my one of my primary predictive techniques that he would be going into a level one peak period shortly after inauguration day in 2025 and so that was one of the things back in 2020 2016 that didn't make sense to us because we're like how's he going to win 2016 if his peak period is still in the future so we thought his greatest sort of days were still yet to come and then he wins 20 there was no scenario back in 2016 where we could have imagined that he like wins 2016 he loses 2020 and they makes this comeback in 2024 so it's like there were other but but ultimately the Zodiac releasing was cracked.
你知道，是的，嗯，就像这样，也并不是就只有这一个方法。多年来，其中一个让我感到困惑的事情发生在2016年。我们一直看得到InzaDyke的发布，它是我主要的预测技术之一。当时我们预测他将在2025年就职日后不久进入一级高峰期。这让我们在2016年感到不可思议，因为我们想不通他如何能在2016年获胜，如果他的高峰期还在未来的话。我们认为他最辉煌的日子还未到来。然而他赢得了2016年的选举。我们无法想象这样的情景：他在2016年获胜，2020年失利，然后在2024年卷土重来。所以当时也有其他技术，但最终，星座释放的预测被证明是正确的。
It's like we should you know that was cracked but so it's not like there weren't there many other arguments in favor of him winning at that time but it was just it was one of those things that caught my eye that you were right about in terms of that recurrence and then as we got further into seeing other recurrences and I started like being more open to paying attention to that I started seeing it everywhere this year and as a result of that I've been working on other charts especially in like the houses series there are a bunch of charts that came up like for example with Chaz Bono that was a really good example I mentioned in the Fifth House episodes and you know what it where it's led me is is you know I think a good way to adopt a technique which I've been sort of like reluctantly dragged into accepting that this is really a technique that's working and it's working in very interesting ways and doing something different approaching things from a different perspective than I'm used to.
这就像，我们应该知道，那时事情已经出现了一些问题，但同时也有许多其他理由支持他获胜。这件事只是其中一个引起我注意的点，你在重复性这个方面是对的。然后，随着我们开始看到其他相似现象的出现，我开始更加开放地关注这些现象，今年我在各处都看到了结果。因此，我开始研究其他图表，尤其是在项系列的分析中。例如，查兹·波诺（Chaz Bono）的图表就是一个很好的例子，我在第五宫的讨论中提到了这点。最终这引导我走向了一个新的方向，我认为这是一个很好的方式去采用一种技术。尽管我有些不情愿地接受，但这确实是一种有效且有趣的方法，让我以不同于惯常的视角去看待事物。
But I can no longer I've gotten the point of the past year I can no longer sort of like ignore what it's doing and it was time to take it seriously and start researching extensively so that is what I have done and we're going to go through a bunch of example charts today and in the remainder of this this workshop and the bulk of this workshop basically once we finish this introduction yes this lengthy introduction but it needed to be fantastic I'm so glad you you know you've come around this is a a long time coming this episode we've got some really dynamite examples so yeah let's let's jump in yeah once again you were light years ahead of the game having lecture on this like I said in like you act 2012 going way back we'll we'll mention some of your examples from your you act lecture back then.
但我不能再忽视过去一年所发生的事情了。我已经到了一个不能再忽略其影响的地步，现在是时候认真的对待并深入研究。所以我已经开始这样做了。在今天以及接下来工作坊的大部分时间里，我们会一起分析许多示例图表。尽管我知道这个介绍部分有些冗长，但这是必须的，我很高兴你能参与进来。这次的节目酝酿已久，我们会展示一些非常出色的例子。所以，让我们开始吧。没错，你真的是走在前沿，早在2012年的那个讲座上你就探讨过类似的话题。我们稍后还会提到你在当时的讲座中使用的一些例子。
I do want to mention the plan for today so because this is I think it'd be many people's first introduction to the technique this is my first time really outlining it in detail on the podcast even though we've had references to it for years and I've explained it at different points in passing I want to make a compelling case for it today and one of the ways I want to do that is by simplifying things so that today we're only going to focus on conjunctions and recurrence transits involving conjunctions for the most part where a person's born on a conjunction between two planets and then we'll show how an important event in their life happened when the same two planets were conjunct or forming a conjunction in the sky because I think that that simplifies the technique and we'll make it more straightforward and easy to understand as an introduction to it as well as hopefully more compelling to actually you know show people that this might actually be a thing and to like make the case for it.
我想说一下今天的计划，因为我认为这可能是很多人第一次接触这项技术。这是我第一次在播客中详细介绍它，尽管我们多年来一直有谈到它，我也在不同情况下简单提及过。今天，我想为这个技术做一个有力的说明。为此，我打算简化一下内容，所以今天我们将主要集中在"合相"和涉及"合相"的"反复运行"这个部分。具体来说，就是一个人出生时两个行星相合的情况，然后展示当这两个行星再次在天空中相合或形成合相时，这个人生命中的重要事件是如何发生的。我认为这简化了技术，使得作为入门更加简单易懂，也希望能更有说服力地展示给大家，证明这个技术可能真的有效，并且成功说明其重要性。
So in that way we are going to be limiting the technique somewhat because as you shown in your lecture the technique applies to any aspect especially if it's like a close aspect between two planets in a person's chart in their birth chart when that aspect repeats in the sky even if it's like a trine or an opposition or what have you that's when an important event will happen in that person's life but for our purposes we're going to restrict it to conjunctions just for the sake of clarity and compellingness and then maybe we can do like follow-ups in the future to go into more detail sounds good okay cool but yeah you do work normally with like all of the aspects oh yeah absolutely like any yeah you know if you have Venus sextile Saturn and there's a Venus sextile Saturn transit in the sky and even if it's not making any other aspect to your natal chart that's a recurrence transit it can be any aspect absolutely.
因此，我们会在某种程度上限制这个技巧的使用。因为正如你在讲座中所展示的，这个技巧适用于任何天象方面，特别是当它是一个人与生俱来的星盘中两个行星之间的紧密相位时。当这个相位在天空中重复出现时，无论是三分相还是对分相等，那时就会在这个人的生活中发生重要事件。但出于清晰度和引人注目的考虑，我们决定只限于研究合相。将来，我们可能会进行后续讨论，以更详细地探讨这个话题，听起来如何？好的，很棒。不过通常你会涉及所有的相位，对吧？哦，是的，绝对没错。无论是什么相位，比如金星和土星的六分相，如果天空中也有一个金星和土星的六分相过境，就算它没有对你的本命盘产生任何其他相位影响，这也是一个重现的过境相位，可以是任何相位，绝对的。
Okay awesome all right so and then we'll continue like inserting some more things about like the theory of the technique and other things along the way but let's finish up this introduction let's get into example charts and begin looking at how the technique works in practice all right all right so my very first example is one I've really been thinking about over the past year ever since doing the year ahead forecast episode for 2025 which we released last December because one of the things we had to focus on was Uranus moving into Gemini and that becoming being the Uranus return finally of the United States which is another technique you've been talking about for years where you've been way ahead of the curve.
好的，太棒了，没问题。我们会继续插入一些关于这个技术理论和其他方面的内容。不过，先完成这部分介绍，然后我们来看一些示例图表，开始研究这个技术在实践中是如何运作的。好的，好的。那么，我的第一个例子是我在过去一年里一直在思考的，特别是自去年12月发布的2025年年度预测节目以来，我们着重关注的一件事情是天王星进入双子座，并成为美国的天王星回归。这是你多年来一直在讨论的另一项技术，超前于潮流。
But one of the things that made me nervous about Uranus going into Gemini this time as I realized at one point in preparing that forecast it would also be a return back to where Uranus was during World War II when the US first developed the atomic bomb and the only time that the atomic bomb has been actually deployed and used in warfare when they used it to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki and realizing that the return of Uranus back to that could potentially I predicted last December could bring back issues not just with nuclear power since that marked the beginning of the nuclear age an important turning point with nuclear power but also potentially a return to and a recurrence in some ways of some of those things with nuclear weapons as well and that's already started to play out of the past few months where Trump just announced in the past few weeks on a mercury or in a supposition that the US is going to begin testing nuclear weapons again.
但是，让我感到紧张的是，天王星这次进入双子座时，我意识到在准备那个预测时，天王星的位置将回到二战期间的位置。当时美国首次研发了原子弹，并且这是原子弹唯一一次在战争中被实际使用，当时用于轰炸广岛和长崎。意识到天王星回到这个位置可能带来不只是核能相关的问题，因为那标志着核时代的开始，是核能发展中的一个重要转折点，还可能导致核武器方面问题的回归和某种程度的再现。过去几个月，这种情况已经开始显现，最近几周，在水星逆行期间，特朗普宣布美国将重新开始核武器测试。
So one of the things that that made me realize though as I was thinking about that is that in the birth chart of the United States for let's say the Sibli chart or just the chart for July 4th 1776 for the Declaration of Independence that summer as the Declaration of Independence was being put together and was signed no matter what chart you use that summer whether it's the Sibli chart or some other chart for around that time there was a Mars Uranus conjunction that moved into alignment at the time of the Declaration of Independence and the birth chart for the United States that most astrologers use so that there was this needle signature for Mars conjunct Uranus sort of baked into the birth chart of the United States and Mars has always traditionally represented like war and weapons and explosions and even death and Uranus has represented technology technological advancements sudden things and when you put Mars and Uranus together it can be a sudden accident or like a sudden violent event or something like that.
因此，当我思考这个问题时，我意识到，在美国的诞生星图中，比如说Sibli星图，或者是1776年7月4日《独立宣言》签署时的星图——无论你使用哪个星图——在那年的夏天，《独立宣言》被起草和签署时，火星与天王星形成了合相。这一火星与天王星的合相特征被烙印在了大多数占星师使用的美国诞生星图中。传统上，火星代表战争、武器、爆炸，甚至死亡，而天王星则代表技术、科技进步、突发事件。当火星和天王星结合在一起时，就可能导致一些突如其来的事故或暴力事件。
And what happened so that that was a needle signature built into the birth chart of the US which is Mars conjunct Uranus and then in August of 1945 when the US developed and used the atomic bomb in war for the first time to bomb Hiroshima Mars was again closely conjunct Uranus in the sky and I think actually at the moment of that bombing Uranus was like right on the mid-heaven or close to it so to me I was thinking about this as a recurrence transit example because it's one of the most stunning if you just think of the entirety of human history and you realize that the country that developed the atomic bomb first had a Mars Uranus conjunction and then the first and only time that they've used it in war and the first time it was used in the entirety of human history in war happened on a Mars Uranus conjunction that's like a stunning example of a recurrence transit in a country chart to me.
这句英文的大意是：美国的出生星图中，火星和天王星相合是一个重要的特征，这一配置在某种程度上预示着特定的历史事件。1945年8月，美国首次在战争中使用原子弹轰炸广岛时，火星和天王星在天上再次紧密相合。而且，在轰炸的那一刻，天王星正好位于天顶附近。我认为这是一个令人震惊的“重现过境”（recurrence transit）例子，因为在整个人类历史中，首先研制出原子弹的国家，其星图中有火星和天王星相合，然后在整个人类历史中第一次也是唯一一次在战争中使用原子弹时，这两颗星又再次相合，实在是令人惊叹。
Yeah it absolutely is and yeah you know when you really look into US history you see that pop up quite a bit that Mars Uranus and particularly obviously Uranus and Gemini has an existing relationship on its own in US history but whenever Mars does join it in Gemini yeah the things are volatile and the nuclear bomb you know bombings of the Japanese cities just being the most extreme of really a chain of events over the centuries that have occurred in US history involving war and that combination right.
是的，确实如此。当你深入研究美国历史时，你会发现火星、天王星，特别是天王星在双子座，具有自己独特的历史背景。但每当火星也进入双子座时，形势往往会变得动荡不安。例如，核弹轰炸日本城市只是这个星象组合与战争相关的一系列历史事件中最极端的一个例子。
So here's the chart so this is let's say this is the civilly chart for the US which has Sagittarius rising honestly you know the birth even I use the civilly chart oftentimes that the house placements don't even matter but just look at where Mars and Uranus are where Mars is at 21 degrees of Gemini and Uranus is at 8 degrees of Gemini so they're forming certainly like a sign based conjunction it's a little wide as a degree based conjunction but it's still actually a conjunction between those two planets.
这就是这张图表，假设这是美国的某个日历图，其中上升星座是射手座。老实说，即使我经常使用这个日历图，房屋位置有时并不重要，但我们可以看看火星和天王星的位置。火星位于双子座21度，而天王星位于双子座8度，所以它们确实形成了一个以星座为基础的合相。虽然按照度数来看有点宽，但它们之间实际上仍然是一个合相。
And so now look at the chart for the atomic bomb attack on Hiroshima which is August 6 1945 we see this is actually a time chart it was 8 15 a.m. with the Virgo rising and at that time in the sky the mid-heaven was at the degree of the mid-heaven was at 16 degrees of Gemini conjunct Uranus at 16 Gemini and Mars was at 9 degrees of Gemini so it's just this perfect recurrence of that natal aspect between Mars and Uranus at the time of this bombing.
现在我们来看看1945年8月6日广岛原子弹袭击的星图。这实际上是一个时间图，显示当时是早上8点15分，上升星座是处女座。那时天空中，中天在双子座16度，与天王星合相，而火星在双子座9度。这完美地重现了这次轰炸时间点上火星与天王星的本命相位。
And if you just think of the long scope of human history I can't think of anything more compelling in terms of just like a singular moment or time and a turning point in human history where suddenly the development of this weapon was the point at which humanity could destroy itself and like there was a country that developed it first and deployed it and it happened to coincide with this alignment.
如果你从人类历史的长远角度来看，我很难想到有什么比这一时刻或转折点更吸引人的了。就是在这一刻，这种武器的发展意味着人类有可能自我毁灭。而且，恰好有一个国家先研制出了这种武器并进行了部署，并且这与某种特定的时机巧合地重合了。
Yeah um just a little FYI that that occurs to me is when Mars and Uranus were in Gemini in August of 1945 and and the bombs were dropped on those cities the interesting thing about that Mars and Gemini is that in the the last months of 1943 you know less than two years earlier the last Mars retrograde had been Mars in Gemini and so this is Mars coming back into the sign where it had most recently been retrograde and it's joining Uranus in that sign.
嗯，我只是想提醒一下，我想到的是，当火星和天王星在1945年8月位于双子座时，那些城市被投下了炸弹。有趣的是，之前在1943年底，也就是不到两年前，火星在双子座时曾经历过逆行。而在1945年时，火星再次进入了它最近一次逆行时所在的星座，并与天王星在这个星座相遇。
I think that's you know that that's another sort of um um factor in that in in that you know this really unique phenomenon this you know in human history at least so far and hopefully forever um but yeah it's it it absolutely resonates with with the the you know with with the country's creation when it was also under war right yeah so and that's August 6 1945 and then a few days later the bombing atomic bombing of Nagasaki was on August 9 1945 and here the Mars Uranus conjunction has grown even closer where Mars is at 11 Gemini and Uranus is at 16 Gemini.
我认为，这又是一个影响因素，是一个在人类历史上非常独特的现象，至少到目前为止是这样，希望永远如此。这种现象与国家的创建息息相关，当时国家也处于战争状态。具体来说，1945年8月6日，广岛遭受原子弹轰炸，随后几天，8月9日，长崎也遭受了原子弹轰炸。在这个背景下，火星与天王星的合相更加接近，火星位于双子座11度，而天王星位于双子座16度。
So just imagine yeah that turning point in like world history under that conjunction and that it was something that was built into the birth chart of the US since the very beginning since like the signing of the Declaration of Independence and as you said I think that's the most stunning time in which that's come up although Mars Uranus conjunctions and Gemini have also historically been relevant to the US at other important turning points like even the start of the civil war like Mars and Uranus were joining in Gemini right yeah the the attack on Fort Sumptu occurred when Mars and it was conjoining Uranus and Gemini um and and when Mars would be in Gemini over the course of that civil war like in World War II um that they would be some of the the crazier times whenever Mars was in Gemini with Uranus during the civil war or during the Second World War these could be some of the bloodier you know more destructive periods of those wars in 1864 when Mars went retrograde in Gemini with Uranus that was when Sherman was burning down at Atlanta and you know doing his march through the south a lot of destruction as close as you could make an analogy between the civil war and the Second World War obviously nothing is like the the bombing of the Japanese cities with the atomic bomb but Sherman's march on on Atlanta and the south is about as close as you come to the idea of like this total destruction of of of a place in order to bring the enemy totally to their knees um so that yeah it's it's very you know when Mars joins Uranus that is and that tends to be what you get right.
所以，可以想象一下，在历史上某个关键时刻，这种星象的结合就像是植入了美国出生星盘的一部分，一直存在于美国自《独立宣言》签署以来的命运中。正如你所说，我认为这是最令人震惊的时刻，尽管火星和天王星在双子座的结合在其他历史转折点上对美国也有着重要影响，比如南北战争的开始。南卡罗来纳州的萨姆特堡遭袭时，正是火星和天王星在双子座合相的时候。
在南北战争期间和第二次世界大战期间，当火星位于双子座并与天王星合相，会是战争中一些最疯狂、最破坏性的时期。比如在1864年，火星逆行在双子座与天王星合相时，谢尔曼正在焚烧亚特兰大，并进行他的南征北战，这段时间充满了毁灭。虽然与第二次世界大战中对日本城市的原子弹轰炸不同，但谢尔曼对亚特兰大和南方的进攻几乎可以比拟为一种对一个地方的全面毁灭，以彻底击垮敌人。
所以，当火星与天王星合相时，往往会导致这种结果。
So here's the um birth chart or not birth chart this is the event chart for um Confederate forces attacking for someter and the beginning of the civil war on April 12 1861 and we see Mars at six degrees of Gemini moving into a conjunction very soon with Uranus at three degrees of Gemini so that's just a stunning correlation again with just like the civil war beginning very closely on a Mars Uranus conjunction exactly yeah and then it'll it'll come close to ending with it with one as well you know because like I said Mars is retrograde in the last months of the civil war in Gemini um I guess by the time they get to to to April and and and Lincoln it's it has finally moved in I think to um to cancer but only just moved into cancer um you know shortly before apomattoche the murder of Lincoln so like the last most of the last six eight months of the civil war um pomattoche's notwithstanding what had Mars in Gemini because he had the retrograde and Mars always spends about six months in a sign during a retrograde so that also just sort of like when you when you think about it in that terms that that's an extending of the recurrence transit in its own way certainly extending the co-presence yeah for sure.
这是一个关于1861年4月12日邦联部队攻击森特堡和美国内战开始的事件星图。在这张图中，我们可以看到火星在双子座的6度，正逐渐逼近天王星的双子座3度。这种对应关系非常惊人，因为这正好与内战的开始以及火星和天王星的合相几乎同时发生。而且，内战似乎也在这样的合相下接近尾声。因为我之前提到过，火星在内战最后几个月逆行于双子座。当他们到达四月和林肯的时候，火星可能才刚刚移动到巨蟹座，差不多就在林肯遇刺之前。因此，在内战的最后六到八个月的时间里，火星一直都在双子座，除去一些重要事件，比如阿波马托克斯投降等。火星逆行意味着它通常会在一个星座逗留约六个月。因此，从这个角度来看，这也延长了这个特殊时期的一种循环过渡的影响，确实是进一步延伸了这种共时状态。
And um I talked about this on the last forecast episode for what was it for no November of 2025 but I made this diagram because I'll have thinking about all of this made me you know want to pay attention to then what are the ones coming up and there's going to be four Mars Uranus conjunctions coming up in Gemini over the next several years while Uranus is transiting through that sign and the first one the next one comes up on July 4th 2026 at three degrees of Gemini right on the birthday of the United States which is pretty startling that conjunction that that coincidence the next one will happen June 23rd 2028 at 11 Gemini then June 15th 2030 at 19 Gemini and June 6th 2032 at 26 Gemini so we'll be paying attention to the time period around those dates and in the probably the month or two leading up to and after them especially while Mars and Uranus are co-present in the same sign will be a really potent period for that energy and some of the the troubling potential of it all right all right so that was my first example and that's you know that's a big country one obviously we're going to focus on natal recurrence transits but I wanted to start there to give you know one.
嗯，我在上一次的预测节目中谈到过2025年11月的事情，但这次我做了一个图表，因为考虑到这些，我更想关注未来的动态。接下来几年中，当天王星经过双子座时，将会有四次火星与天王星相合现象。下一次就在2026年7月4日，发生在双子座3度，这一天正好是美国的生日，这个巧合很惊人。接下来是2028年6月23日，发生在双子座11度，然后是2030年6月15日，发生在双子座19度，最后是2032年6月6日，发生在双子座26度。所以我们会特别关注这些日期周围的时间，特别是在这些日期的前后一个月左右，当火星和天王星同时出现于同一星座时，那将是这一能量非常强烈的时期，可能也会带来一些麻烦。这是我的第一个例子，这显然是一个关于国家的大事件，我们将专注于出生再现的过境，但我想从这里开始，先给大家一个例子。
that's going to be a test case not just for the past but the future and we'll see how that goes over the next several years one of the ones though that was really impressive to me that I found let me see where to start here to go in terms of examples one of the ones that I found in the 5th house series when I was just researching 5th house placements for that big series that it for the houses series that I just released over the past a couple of months one of the ones that I found is the birth chart of Chaz Bono who was born with Sagittarius rising and a exact or very close Venus Saturn conjunction in the 5th house of you know sex and sexuality and Venus is at 23 Aries and Saturn is at 23 Aries in a night chart and what I found fascinating about this when I was doing my research and I was researching Chaz's like history with this is that what happened is in the early 1990s Chaz was was gay and was forcibly outed by like a tabloid magazine who published basically and outed them as being gay I think it was in 1990 and it was right on a Venus Saturn conjunction that was like occurring in the sky at that time and let me find the my notes so that I can give you the actual date so it was outed in 1990 it was on February 13th 1990 the star tabloid published an article outing Chaz on a on a Venus Saturn conjunction by transit where one of them was at 20 and the other was at 21 cap so it was like a very close conjunction replicating the natal conjunction in the birth chart and then get this five years later on April 18th 1995 Chaz decided to come out deliberately in a cover story in the advocate magazine which was like a queer magazine that was really important especially in the 1990s and when Chaz deliberately made the decision to come out at that time Venus was at 25 degrees of Pisces conjunct Saturn at 20 degrees of Pisces so it was an exact another recurrence of the natal aspect of Venus Saturn happening at the same time and I thought this was one of the examples that I came across this month that again just sort of like forcibly like forced me to like you know my eyes my ears to perk up and to take that seriously because it was obviously a very important turning point in the life to important turning lives and tied into also the natal position of like Venus and Saturn being in the fifth whole sign house which is the place of sex and sexuality and can also sometimes relate to a person's like sexual orientation or sometimes when things involving sexual orientation become important to a person sometimes we can see the fifth house becoming relevant and yeah that was that was the case here.
这将不仅是对过去，也是对未来的一个测试案例，我们将在未来几年观察其发展。我想分享一个令我印象深刻的例子，是我在研究第五宫相关主题时发现的。在我为最近几个月发布的大型系列“宫位系列”进行研究时，我找到了一张查兹·波诺（Chaz Bono）的出生星盘。他出生时射手座上升，金星与土星在第五宫有一个非常接近的合相，第五宫与性和性取向相关。在查兹的星盘中，金星位于白羊座23度，土星也是在白羊座23度，并且这是一个夜间星盘。
在90年代初期，查兹是同性恋，并被一家八卦杂志强行曝光。据我所查，它发生在1990年，当时天上的金星和土星刚好在合相，而这与查兹星盘中的天生合相一致，我找到了确切的日期，是1990年2月13日，《明星》杂志发表了一篇文章，曝光了查兹的性取向。当时金星和土星分别位于摩羯座20度和21度，非常接近的合相。
五年后的1995年4月18日，查兹在《倡导者》（一种在1990年代特别重要的酷儿杂志）上发表封面故事，主动出柜。当时天上的金星位于双鱼座25度，与双鱼座20度的土星合相，再次重现了星盘中的金星土星合相。
这个例子引起了我极大的关注，因为它显然是查兹人生中的一个重要转折点，并且与他星盘中金星和土星在第五宫的位置有联系。第五宫与性和性取向有关，有时候一个人性取向成为重要议题时，第五宫可能会变得相关。这就是在查兹人生故事中所发生的情况。
Yeah that was a fantastic example Chaz's Venus the natal Venus was about two weeks before it went retrograde so Chaz's Venus is moving probably slower than Saturn is in that conjunction ironically and that first example when they were outed in 1990 February 13th 1990 that was Venus stationing direct with Saturn so there are Venus stations also worked into this recurrence along with the conjunction in Saturn yeah I think that's really important in his case Chaz is nat now a trans man but that was something I saw coming up over and over again myself is that when there was also when one of the planets was also stationing that tended to mark that let's say conjunction in that instance or that recurrence as being as standing out as being even more important especially in terms of the overall chronology so there's there's additional like modifying factors that can help to either filter out or to further specify like which conjunctions will be more or less important during the course of the life as well yeah yeah all right so that's a good example let's see so moving on to my next example my next example let's do one of my favorites that I've used in another lot of other contexts but it's Vincent Van Gogh.
是的，那是一个很精彩的例子。查兹的金星在其本命金星的两周前开始逆行，所以讽刺的是，查兹的金星在那个合相中可能移动得比土星还要慢。在第一次的例子中，1990年2月13日，当他们被曝光时，正值金星与土星合相，而金星此时正处于顺行停留状态。因此，金星的停滞也在这次事件和土星合相中起到了作用。我认为这在查兹的案例中非常重要。查兹现在是位变性男性，但我自己也多次观察到，当行星停滞时，这通常会使得该合相或重现事件显得更加重要，尤其是在整个时间轴上。因此，还有一些附加的修正因素可以帮助过滤或进一步明确哪些合相在一生中会更为重要，是的。好的，这是一个很好的例子。接下来让我们看下一个例子，我下一个例子是我在很多其他情况下经常使用的，也是我最喜欢的例子之一，那就是文森特·梵高。
So Vincent Van Gogh the famous Dutch painter there's several different recurrences but one of the ones I thought was the most interesting is that he was born with a natal conjunction and co-presence of Mars and Neptune and Pisces where in his birth chart he had cancer rising and Neptune at 12 degrees of Pisces and Mars at 26 degrees of Pisces and they're very close to the mid-heaven which was around 22 degrees of Pisces or so so Mars Neptune co-presence being in the same sign and conjunction functionally basically in his birth chart and what I found recently in researching his biography is that I think it was in the year 1890 right do you have the yeah yeah yeah so so in the year 1890 in the late spring van Gogh had been suffering with mental health issues and had famously 1889 sorry 1889 okay in the spring of 1889 he was suffering with mental health issues that famously had led him to self-mutilate like earlier late the previous year or early the same year.
文森特·梵高是著名的荷兰画家，他的生平中有很多有趣的细节，其中之一是他出生时，星盘上火星和海王星都位于双鱼座，并且非常接近天顶。梵高的上升星座是巨蟹座，海王星位于双鱼座12度，火星位于双鱼座26度，这两个星体与天顶（大约在双鱼座22度）相距不远。在他的星盘中，火星和海王星同属一个星座并且形成合相，对他的生活产生了一定的影响。最近我研究他的生平时发现，1889年春天，梵高遭受了严重的心理健康问题，这些问题早在前一年年底或这一年初就导致他自残，这段经历在他的生活中非常著名。
And at the time of a Mars Neptune conjunction he checked himself into a mental health asylum to a mental asylum and like voluntarily committed himself basically and it was a Mars Neptune conjunction was closely forming at the time that he checked himself in and in the following month while Mars and Neptune were still in the same sign the sign of Gemini which is actually his 12th house which is interesting because the 12th is associated with mental health and also asylums and prisons and things like that as Mars and Neptune were still in the same sign van Gogh actually painted his most famous painting called the Starry Night and it was partially based on the view of him looking out his window at the asylum and the the sky and the stars that he could see so he painted his most famous work at a mental health asylum while the Mars Neptune conjunction was in the sky which was replicating his natal Mars Neptune conjunction in the mid heaven in the 9th whole sign house and I thought that was just an incredibly brilliant and compelling example of this idea of recurrence transits absolutely yeah yeah his chart has a lot of them but that's that's a really good one.
在火星与海王星相合的时期，梵高自愿进入了一家精神病院。当他入院时，火星和海王星的相合正在接近形成。在接下来的一个月中，火星和海王星仍在双子座，这个星座实际上是他的第十二宫。第十二宫常与心理健康、疗养院和监狱相关。因此，住院期间，他创作了最著名的画作《星夜》。这幅画部分灵感来自他在病院窗外看到的星空景象。在那段时间，天空中火星和海王星的相合重现了他本命盘中位于第九宫的火星与海王星相合。我认为这极其精彩且引人入胜，是重复性行星过境的绝佳例证。他的星盘中有很多这样的例子，但这是一个非常好的例子。
Yeah right so I had found others I'm trying to remember really quickly so he also has like a Venus Mars conjunction in his birth chart and his brother Theo van Gogh whose younger was born on a Mars Venus conjunction in Taurus and then you would notice that he quit his art dealer job and decided to become a painter full time on a Venus Mars conjunction in March 30th of 1876 right yeah correct as he's turning 24 yeah he quit this is like him suddenly deciding he wants to be a painter and and it was his brother Theo who had gotten him that job so they're both having that Venus Mars recurrence when when you know he takes off and does that and also this like him and his brother yeah exactly.
好的，所以我发现了一些事情，我试着快速回忆一下。他的出生图上有一个金星和火星合相，而他的弟弟提奥·梵高在金星和火星在金牛座合相时出生。你会注意到，他在1876年3月30日那天，也就是他即将年满24岁时，辞去了艺术品经销商的工作，决定全职成为一名画家。没错，这就像是他突然决定要当画家，而提奥正是帮他找到那份工作的人。所以当他辞职去追求画家梦想时，正好他们兄弟俩都经历了金星与火星的合相。对，他和他的弟弟之间也有这样的联系。
And then in you know and then their father dies years later during another conjunction which impacts them both obviously and it's right when the father does it dies that Vincent paints the first painting that people consider a major work of his the potato weaters which he does around that spring of 1885 as he's turning 32 and 32 was always excuse me 32 was always a synodic Venus and Mars return and and his their father died the same week he was turning 32 and he was painting the potato weaters and a lot of things were coming together under that one recurrence transit in 1885 that's incredible.
然后你知道，几年后，在又一次事件的影响下，他们的父亲去世，显然对两人都产生了影响。就在父亲去世的同一时间，文森特创作了被认为是他第一件主要作品的画作《吃土豆的人》。这幅画是在1885年春天，也就是他32岁生日左右完成的。而32岁对他来说一直是一个重要的节点，因为这正是他经历的金星和火星的会合期。他们的父亲去世的那一周正好是他32岁生日，而他正在画《吃土豆的人》。在1885年的这次事件中，很多事情似乎都汇聚到了一起，实在令人惊叹。
And then one final one that I found is that his brother Theo van Gogh married his wife Joe van Gogh Banger on April 17th 1889 and this was Venus retrograde conjunct Mars and Taurus so it's replicating the Venus Venus Mars conjunction of both van Gogh himself as well as Theo the brother and then this would become important this wasn't just like a random thing for van Gogh but this for the brother but this is actually personally important for van Gogh.
然后，我发现的最后一件事是，他的弟弟西奥·梵高于1889年4月17日与妻子乔·梵高·班格结婚，当时正处在金星逆行合相火星于金牛座的位置。这种星象与梵高本人以及他弟弟西奥的金星火星合相相似。对梵高来说，这不仅仅是对他弟弟而言的随机事件，而是对他个人也有重要意义。
Because what happened is that van Gogh suffered with mental health issues towards the end of his life he painted like some of his greatest works towards the end when he was at the mental health asylum and towards the end of his life but then he ends up taking his own life at the end without ever selling like a single painting and then all of his paintings then went to his brother but his brother is so distraught and depressed at the at the death of Vincent that Theo himself dies like like two years later and then all of the paintings as well as I'm sorry I'm sure he dies less than a year later if I remember correctly.
因为梵高在其生命的晚期遭受了心理健康问题的困扰，他在精神疗养院期间创作了一些最伟大的作品。然而，他在生命的最后选择了自杀，而在世时未能卖出一幅画。所有的画作都留给了他的弟弟西奥，但由于无法承受梵高去世的悲痛，西奥在不到一年之后也去世了。
Okay well all of the paintings are left to Theo's wife Joe and then Joe becomes the one who promotes Vincent's work and paintings and eventually sets up art shows and the largest eventually exhibition in 1905 over like 15 years later that of Vincent's works ever and eventually she's the one that's successful in promoting his work and essentially making Vincent become a household name and widely recognized as one of the most important painters in the past century.
好的，所有的画作都留给了提奥的妻子乔，然后乔成为推广文森特·凡高作品的人。她最终筹办了艺术展览，并在大约15年后的1905年举办了最大规模的凡高作品展览。最终，她成功地推广了凡高的作品，使他成为一个家喻户晓的名字，并被广泛认可为过去一个世纪中最重要的画家之一。
And so this this conjunction when Theo Vincent's brother marries her of Venus conjunct Mars replicating Vincent's needle Venus Mars conjuncted on his mid-heaven was actually super super important yeah um but you know the funny thing is Theo was also born with that Venus retrograde because Vino Theo married Joe when he was turning 32 he was a few years younger than Vincent and so he turned 32 years a few years later and just as Vincent was turning through and having it turning 32 when he had that Venus Mars recurrence and their father died and he painted the potato wheaters.
文森特的兄弟提奥结婚时，正好是金星与火星相合，而这次的行星排列与文森特本人的星盘中金星火星在天顶相合是相同的，这点非常重要。有趣的是，提奥出生时也正好是金星逆行，因为提奥和乔结婚时是32岁，比文森特小几岁。当文森特32岁时，同样经历了金星火星的重合，那时他们的父亲去世，他还创作了《吃土豆的人》。
Theo turned 32 as he married Joe and he had that Venus retrograde with Mars and yeah that totally signifies that she would wind up being this default you know archivist of the van Gogh legacy so yeah that's that's another great one. There is one other Venus Mars because we wouldn't hold on because we wouldn't know we wouldn't basically we wouldn't we wouldn't know about Vincent except if not for her and one one of the ways that I've I've been it was blown away by finding this as I was doing this research is because I've always used like going back like 10 years in my Hellenistic astrology course I used this as an example of derived houses because I could see that that Venus Mars conjunction was so prominent in Vincent's chart on the mid degree of the mid-heaven but it's in the ninth whole sign house.
西奥在与乔结婚时刚满32岁，他正好碰上了金星逆行与火星的相位，而这完全预示着她最终会成为梵高遗产的默认保管人。所以，这真是一个很好的例子。还有另一个金星与火星的相位，因为如果不是她，我们基本上不会了解文森特。我在进行这项研究时，发现了这一点，令我感到非常震惊。因为我一直在我的希腊占星学课程中使用这个例子，已经有10年了，这是关于衍生宫位的一个例子。我可以看到金星和火星的合相在文森特的星盘中非常显著，位于中天的中度，但它在第九宫。
And the ninth whole sign house is the seventh house from the third house of siblings so it's like you know Vincent is cancer rising that's him Virgo is his third whole sign house that's his brother Theo and then the seventh sign from Virgo is Pisces and that is Joe where Vincent has this important cluster of Venus Mars mid-heaven Neptune and then it's the recurrence of those Venus Mars when Joe and and Theo marry and then Mars Neptune when Vincent paints starry night as well as a bunch of other paintings around that time like lilies for example.
第九个完整星座宫位是从第三宫位（兄弟宫）开始数的第七宫。对文森特来说，他的上升星座是巨蟹座，这就是他自己。处女座是他的第三个完整星座宫位，代表他的弟弟提奥。而从处女座开始数的第七个星座是双鱼座，这就是乔的宫位。在文森特的星盘中，双鱼座有一个重要的星群，包括金星、火星、中天和海王星。这些星体的组合在乔和提奥结婚的时候再次出现，而金星和火星也在文森特创作《星夜》以及同时期其他画作如《百合花》时显得尤为突出。
Yeah exactly so it's a it's also a good example like derived houses basically yeah yeah absolutely did we want to cover that one other Venus Mars in his life it's it's the one that even people who don't know nothing about art when they hear the name Vincent Van Gogh they think of one thing not about what he did as a painter but something he did to himself on a certain night after he had an argument with Paul Gogan.
是的，确实是这样，这也是一个很好的例子，比如说派生出来的屋子。是的，绝对是这样的。我们是否想谈谈另一个与金星火星有关的事情？即使是不懂艺术的人，提到文森特·梵高的名字时，想到的不是他作为画家的成就，而是他在某个夜晚与保罗·高更吵架后对自己做的一件事情。
Okay sure what was the example oh on December 23rd 1888 just before he wound up you know being committed and in a few months painting the the sunflowers there was a Venus Mars conjunction in Aquarius and he got a got into an argument with Paul Gogan who stormed off and then Van Gogh apparently cut off his own ear and would later offer it to a a prostitute at a brothel that that the two of them frequented.
好的，当然，我知道你在说什么。嗯，在1888年12月23日，正好在文森特·梵高被送进精神病院前不久，几个月后他绘制了《向日葵》那幅画。在那时，金星和火星在水瓶座相合，梵高与他的朋友保罗·高更发生了争吵，保罗愤然离去。随后，梵高显然割下了自己的一只耳朵，并且后来把它送给了他们常去的一家妓院中的一位妓女。
So yeah a lot of people know about Van Gogh in the ear and even that happened on a Venus. Mars recurrence transit got it okay so it's like Venus Mars several months earlier conjunction when he cuts off his ear and then later that year it's Mars Neptune when he commits himself to the asylum and paint story night that's really exactly yeah okay so so this is great just because it's a complex example showing that it's not just like one planet recurrences but sometimes there's different alignments in a person's chart that are overlapping or happening at other times that are bringing in this other element yeah incredible all right well that is good um let's go ahead and move on to our next example.
好，所以很多人知道梵高割耳朵的事情，甚至知道这发生在一次金星和火星相交的时期。大概几个月前，金星和火星有过一次合相，那时他割掉了自己的耳朵。然后在那年的晚些时候，当火星和海王星相位的时候，他自愿进入了精神病院，并创作了《星月夜》。这真的是一个很好的例子，因为它展示了有时并不是单一星体的作用，而是多个星体在一个人的星盘中同时出现并交错影响，带来了其他的因素。不可思议。那么，这确实很有意思，我们继续讨论下一个例子吧。
So do you know the max plank example this is actually one that Patrick found but I wasn't sure how familiar you are with it rings a bell I it's funny I just was thumbing through a biography of max plank not long ago but hum a few bars and I'll fake it so you know this one I'm not as strong with but basically max plank was one of the founders of quantum theory and he was born on April 23rd 1858 and he had this Jupiter Uranus conjunction in his chart with Jupiter 22 Taurus and Uranus at 27 degrees of Taurus there was there was like a bunch of other stuff there as well because he had a whole Taurus stellium of like Sun Pluto Venus Mercury Jupiter Uranus as well but one of the important outer planet alignments that's pretty close in his chart is Jupiter conjunct Uranus and one of the examples that Patrick our friend Patrick Watson who's also done a lot of work with recurrence transits over the past 15 20 years now after learning it from you and the you know important influence you played on his work.
你知道马克斯·普朗克的例子吗？这其实是帕特里克找到的一个例子，但我不太确定你对它有多熟悉。这个名字让我有点印象，挺有趣的是，不久前我刚翻阅了一本关于马克斯·普朗克的传记。但如果你能稍微提醒我一下，我应该能装作很懂的样子。对这个例子我不是特别了解，但基本上，马克斯·普朗克是量子理论的创始人之一，他出生于1858年4月23日。在他的星盘中，木星和天王星在金牛座有一个合相，具体来说，木星在金牛座22度，天王星在金牛座27度。此外，他还有一个由太阳、冥王星、金星、水星、木星和天王星组成的金牛座星群。但他星盘中一个重要的外行星排列是木星和天王星的合相。我们的朋友帕特里克·沃森发现了这个例子。他在过去15到20年间做了很多关于重复运行星象方面的研究，而这些研究受到你的影响很大。
But Patrick noted that in the year 1900 there was a recurrence of a Jupiter Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius that year at different points and in that year he worked out and he developed the idea he introduced his groundbreaking hypothesis that radiant energy is emitted or absorbed in discrete quanta which basically initiated the entire quantum physics revolution and he's basically the originator of quantum theory and he first delivered his landmark paper to the German physical society with the concept of energy quanta at the time at December 14th 1900 when Jupiter was at 21 and Uranus was at 13 degrees of Sagittarius so this was basically like the birth of quantum theory and even though his work was originally met with skepticism it marked the beginning of that and then his theories got influenced and got incorporated or allowed and were incorporated in important ways by like Einstein and a number of other scientists over the course of the next decade or so.
但帕特里克指出在1900年，木星和天王星在射手座的合相在那一年以不同的角度出现。在那一年，他提出并发展了一个具有突破性的重要假设，即辐射能量以离散量子形式发射或吸收，这基本上开启了整个量子物理革命。他实际上是量子理论的创始人，并在1900年12月14日首次向德国物理学会提交了关于能量量子的里程碑式论文，当时木星位于射手座的21度，而天王星位于13度。这基本上标志着量子理论的诞生。尽管他的工作最初遭到了怀疑，但这标志着量子理论的开端，其理论在接下来十年左右的时间里被爱因斯坦等多位科学家借鉴和吸收。
So that it's a really good example of like a Jupiter Uranus conjunction especially in this in the way that it like contradicts classical physics where energy is believed to be continuous so it was like a major scientific advancement and discovery yeah and this is you know the the the the great thing is again Max Planck we don't know what time he's born we don't know where it fits into the house scheme but this is another example of how looking at recurrence transits this way can help you look at a chart that might be otherwise you know vague to you because you don't have a time at birth there was still astrological information that you can glean from a given person's date of birth using a simple idea like like recurrence transits so it's yeah I mean it it also sort of emphasizes that angle as well yeah absolutely um okay let's do some should we do one that goes along with that which is jobs.
这真是一个很好的例子，展示了木星与天王星的合相，尤其是在这种情况下，它与经典物理学相矛盾，因为经典物理学认为能量是连续的。而这种合相却代表了一个重大的科学进步与发现。值得注意的是，虽然我们不知道马克斯·普朗克出生的确切时间，也就无法将他的星盘与星座宫位系统结合，但通过这样的方式来看周期性过境，可以帮助你解读一个在没有明确出生时间的情况下显得模糊的星盘。通过使用一个简单的概念，如周期性过境，即使没有确切的出生时间，你也可以从一个人的出生日期中获取占星信息。这也强调了这一角度的重要性。好的，我们是否应该进行一些相关的讨论，比如与职业相关的例子？
or should we do two depressing ones and then jobs in order to like break it up no let's do jobs so the jobs is kind of depressing as well in in the you know spoiler already dies in the end but um yeah let's do jobs it works as a companion piece I think right I was gonna make a joke that you're like a windows guy not a mac guy but you're actually all right mac mac guy I am I am a mac guy okay but I do I do run windows on my mac guys so you know there you go I'm trader I'm platform curious okay I appreciate that I appreciate your openness um all right Steve jobs do you this is chart up this is the birth chart of Steve jobs can you see it yep I sure can all right just making sure I have a right window up so Steve jobs is born February 24th 1955 and like Max Planck Steve jobs was born under a very close Jupiter Uranus conjunction which is associated with like advancements in technology like Jupiter traditionally represents like growth and affirmation and expansion and Uranus represents technology and technological advancements and so Steve jobs is born under this Jupiter Uranus conjunction.
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或者我们该做两个令人沮丧的话题，然后再谈工作来调节一下氛围？不，我们直接谈工作吧，不过工作这一块其实也有点让人沮丧，因为已经剧透了，最后的结局是他去世了。但我们还是来谈谈他的工作，我认为这可以作为一个补充。我原本想开个玩笑说你更像是一个 Windows 用户而不是 Mac 用户，但实际上你完全是个 Mac 用户。
是的，我是个 Mac 用户，不过我在 Mac 上也跑 Windows 系统，所以算是个变节者，或者说我对不同操作系统都很好奇。我很欣赏这一点，欣赏你的开放态度。那么，关于史蒂夫·乔布斯，你看这幅图表，这就是史蒂夫·乔布斯的出生星图，你能看到吗？能，我确实能看到。
只是想确认一下我打开的是正确的窗口。史蒂夫·乔布斯出生于1955年2月24日，像马克斯·普朗克一样，他出生时太阳系中木星和天王星紧密相合，这通常被认为是与科技进步相关的相位。传统上，木星代表增长、肯定和扩展，而天王星则代表技术和科技进步，所以史蒂夫·乔布斯出生在这么一个木星和天王星相合的时间点。
This Jupiter Uranus conjunction shows up at like at least three major turning points in his life right yeah um yeah I would say there's three or four but it it really outlines the chapters of his life in this really discernible way um you could take the Jupiter Uranus conjunctions that Steve jobs had every 14 years in his lifetime and they could make up the five chapters of a book about him and and those conjunctions would be these perfect sort of new chapter headings in in that book they have that kind of feel that they just sort of they feel very organic when you're looking at a person's lifetime this way um yeah I think people will and if they don't understand what I'm saying now they'll understand as we go through the example it really it illustrates itself nicely okay well let's let's do it quickly with the highlights and then we'll get into more details.
这段话在说，木星-天王星合相在他的生命中至少出现了三个重要的转折点，对吧？嗯，我会说大概有三个或四个。这种合相非常明显地勾画出了他人生的各个章节。你可以将史蒂夫·乔布斯一生中每隔14年出现的木星-天王星合相看作是一本书的五个章节，而这些合相就像是书中新章节的标题，非常自然地契合当你这样观察一个人的一生时，它们给人的感觉就是自然而然、顺理成章的。我相信人们会理解我的意思，如果他们现在不理解，通过例子来说明时就会理解。好，我们先快速地看一下重点，然后再深入细节。
So the first one is in the late 1960s there was a Jupiter Uranus conjunction and he had a recurrence and this is when he gets his first tech job famously working for Bill Huitt who he like cold called and got a job from um then because these conjunctions only happen like every 14 years and that's one of the things that makes them additionally impressive is like then the next time there was a Jupiter Uranus conjunction it was in Sagittarius in 1993 this is when jobs introduced the Lisa 33 sorry yeah 83 1983 1983 Jupiter Uranus in Sagittarius and jobs introduced with Apple he was the founder of Apple computers the Lisa computer which was revolutionary because it introduced the graphical user interface as well as the use of a mouse to interact with the computer to the public and these would become core concepts that would define the macintosh and really all personal computing at the same time he successfully recruited John Scully to become that head of Apple and to become the CEO but then unfortunately Scully later would end up being the one who would fire jobs not that long after that like a few years later ousting jobs from Apple.
上世纪60年代末，发生了一次木星与天王星的相合，当时他经历了一次重要的转折，著名的是他获得了第一份科技工作。为了得到这份工作，他主动打电话给比尔·休伊特，并成功获得了这份机会。这种木星与天王星的相合大约每14年才会发生一次，因此显得格外非凡。下一次这样的相合是在1983年，发生在射手座。这时，乔布斯推出了Lisa电脑。1983年，乔布斯作为苹果公司的创始人，通过Lisa电脑向公众介绍了图形用户界面的概念以及使用鼠标与计算机互动的方法，这对之后的Macintosh以及所有个人计算机的发展都具有划时代的意义。同一时期，他成功招募了约翰·斯卡利成为苹果的负责人和CEO。然而，令人惋惜的是，斯卡利后来在几年后解雇了乔布斯，使他离开了苹果公司。
Um and then there's one other ball skip to the next one because it ties in so well then you jump forward to 1997 and there's another Jupiter Uranus conjunction and Aquarius and this is when jobs who was ousted from Apple in like the 1980s he ended up going and founding another computer computer company called next and that company um ended up being bought by Apple in 1997 and this brought Steve Jobs back to Apple initially as an advisor but then he would eventually basically take over the company eventually again so it marks his return to Apple under the 1997 Jupiter Uranus conjunction and then finally you jump forward to the next conjunction which is happening around 2011 it was that there was a series of conjunctions in like what 2020 2011 and at this time he ends up announcing his medical leave of absence from Apple and it effectively marked the end of his career leading Apple computer which he founded because he would then die um later that year and later in 2011 so it marks the end of his career as well as the beginning and these important turning points in the middle.
嗯，然后还有一个事件接着说，因为这两个事件联系得特别紧密。跳跃到1997年，当时木星和天王星在水瓶座又一次相合。这时，乔布斯在上世纪80年代被苹果公司驱逐后，他创立了另一家名为NeXT的电脑公司。1997年，苹果收购了NeXT，使得乔布斯重回苹果。起初，他以顾问的身份回归，但最终他基本上重新掌控了这家公司。这标志着他在1997年木星和天王星相合期间重新回到苹果。接着，我们再跳跃到下一个相合，大约发生在2011年。那时有一系列的相合事件，比如2020年和2011年。此时，乔布斯宣布因健康原因暂时离开苹果，这实际上标志着他结束了自己在苹果公司的职业生涯，因为他在那年晚些时候去世了。因此，这标志着他职业生涯的结束，以及中间这些重要的转折点。
Sorry that I think it froze again so pretty good yeah it did yeah yeah um yeah I was gonna I just wanted to summarize you know when you think about it he's born under the conjunction the next conjunction is he discovers computers you know really like starts working with them the next conjunction is like sort of Apple at its peak at its first peak before he leaves and is fired and then the next one is when he comes back to Apple and then the next one is when he dies like you see what I mean it really is just like the chapters of a book if if his life could be a you know five chapters in a book you would you would sort of divide them that way it's very it it it it it it goes with the scenes of his timeline I there's no I don't know putting it right but um it's just a very natural way to to break down his life into those parts.
抱歉，我觉得它又卡住了，不过是挺不错的，确实是这样。嗯，我想要总结一下，你知道的，当你思考这个问题时，他出生在一个重要的时刻，然后下一个重要时刻是他发现计算机，真正开始与它们一起工作。然后下一个关键时刻就像是苹果公司在他离开并被解雇前的第一次巅峰。接着，另一个重要的时刻是他回到苹果公司，再然后就是他去世的时间。你懂我的意思吗？这真的就像是一本书的章节。如果把他的人生分成书中的五个章节，大概可以这样划分。这样分解他的生活是种很自然的方法，很符合他人生的时间线。我不知道如何更好地表达，但这确实是把他的人生分成几个部分的一种非常自然的方法。
Yeah absolutely and um you know one of the other things there's other interesting things like in the 1983 conjunction he gave this famous speech in Aspen Colorado where he um uncannily predicted the future of technology including concepts that would become the iPad the App Store and wireless networking and what's crazy about that is that speech was on the conjunction in 1983 on the conjunction in uh 2011 around that time that's when that the iPad itself is being released it was released in 2010 under the earlier conjunction so it's like he even is talking about this concept on a conjunction in 83 that's so forward looking that eventually he would release the very product that he was giving intimations about later like two conjunctions later.
当然，这很有趣。你知道，在1983年的一次特别巧合的情况下，他在科罗拉多州阿斯彭发表了一次著名的演讲。在这次演讲中，他神奇地预测了未来科技的发展，包括后来成为iPad、App Store和无线网络的概念。令人惊奇的是，这次演讲是在1983年的巧合情况下进行的。而在2011年的另一次巧合发生时，正是iPad被正式发布的时候（iPad在2010年发布，这也在之前的一个巧合期）。所以就像是他在1983年的那个时候谈到的未来概念，经过时间的推移，在两次巧合后，他真的发布了他曾预测过的产品。
Yeah um I even remember you know I covered Steve Jobs when I did that talk on recurrence transits in New Orleans in 2012 um and he had he'd been he'd only been dead about nine. ten months by that point but um my friend who I drove to New Orleans with had a brand new iPhone and um I remember we're driving through Kentucky she was a vegetarian she wanted to find a vegetarian restaurant and for the first time we could use this phone as we're driving across America to tell us where to find a vegetarian restaurant off the highway in Kentucky and gosh darn it it did it and in 2012 that seemed like some like huge you know um like jump ahead technologically today it sounds quite mundane but at the time it seemed like really amazing that we could do that um and just as and that was brand new just as he left like these things were still coming out yeah yeah exactly um yeah so that's uh another great example of like scientists and innovators which we've always associated with Jupiter Uranus conjunctions for example and you get people like max plank or or Steve Jobs but it's like then for jobs and for plank that cycle continues to be important every time those two planets come together in terms of their innovations with technology as well as their their person and science as well as their personal story that's tied in with that and how it impacts the world in general.
嗯，我甚至还记得，你知道吗？2012年我在新奥尔良做关于回归换位的演讲时曾谈到史蒂夫·乔布斯。他那时候刚去世大概九、十个月吧。但是，我那位和我一起开车去新奥尔良的朋友，她有一部崭新的iPhone。我记得我们开车穿越肯塔基州的时候，她是素食主义者，想找一家素食餐厅，那时我们第一次能在横跨美国的路上用这部手机找出该州高速公路旁的素食餐厅。天哪，它竟然做到了！在2012年，这似乎是一个巨大的技术飞跃。而如今听起来很平常，但当时真的很让人惊讶我们居然能做到这一点。这些新事物正是在乔布斯去世后不久出现的。
是的，这又是一个关于科学家和创新者的好例子，比如我们通常将木星和天王星的合相与他们联系在一起。你会想到像马克斯·普朗克或史蒂夫·乔布斯这样的名字。对于乔布斯和普朗克来说，每当这两颗行星相聚时，这种周期在技术创新方面变得格外重要，这不仅在他们的科学领域产生了影响，也在他们的个人故事中产生了深远影响，并影响了整个世界。
Well yep yep in a big big way you again it's that theme that that idea of there being a theme like whenever Jupiter Uranus was making a conjunction it's like Steve's you know theme music was playing again it was time for him to uh show us what Jupiter Uranus conjunction meant to him exactly yeah that's what I think it's like that that idea of theme music you know I came up with the idea of like zodiac releasing being the chapters of a person's life like the chapters and the paragraphs and the sentences which is how the technique always struck me but yeah there's something about this in this idea of like resonances or um music or like sound and it sort of invokes that ancient concept of the music of the spheres but there's something to it and I don't know if this is an access point but you know the fact that these are mundane aspects maybe because obviously it's a very personal and personally relevant for the person but for a lot of these also we're seeing the ways in which they impacted the world in different ways so maybe that's part of the crossover as well in terms of these being mundane aspects that are happening in the sky at the same time.
好的，是的，是的，在某种程度上，就像是这种主题，总有一种感觉，当木星和天王星形成合相时，就像是史蒂夫的主题音乐再次响起一样，是时候让他向我们展示木星天王星合相对他意味着什么了。对，我觉得这就像是主题音乐的概念。我想出了一个主意，把黄道释义想象成人生的章节，就像章节、段落和句子一样，这一直是我对这项技术的印象。但在这个想法中，似乎有一些共鸣、音乐或声音的东西，它唤起了那种古代音乐的概念——天体音乐。我不确定这是否是一个切入点，但因为这些是日常生活的某些部分，也许这就是为何它们对个人来说非常相关，但同时它们也以不同的方式影响了世界，所以也许这也是这些日常事务与天空中同时发生的事情之间的交叉点的一部分。
Yeah I mean obviously when it comes to Max Planck and Steve Jobs these are you know two individuals who unambiguously did things that that have changed our lives I mean the jobs in particular with regard to you and I but um yeah you know it's it's not always world changing but it's always going to be Jupiter, Uranus, whatever the combination is it's always going to be true to the planetary combination yeah and that's been something that's really really interesting is that these examples have really clued me in sometimes on or it's given me a different perspective for understanding some of those planetary combinations and what they mean in very concrete ways by looking at these recurrences in the life of people that have them and then sometimes you get a much more stark example of what that combination is all about like in these these two instances.
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是啊，我的意思是，显然当谈到马克斯·普朗克和史蒂夫·乔布斯时，这两个人无疑做了改变我们生活的事情。我指的特别是乔布斯，他对你我来说的影响尤为显著。不过，虽然他们的成就不总是世界范围的改变，但它们总是与行星的组合有关，不管是木星、天王星，或者其他什么组合，总是忠实于这种行星组合。这一直让我觉得非常有趣，这些例子有时真的让我开窍，或者给了我一个不同的视角去理解这些行星组合的具体含义。通过观察这些人在生活中反复出现的情况，有时你会更加清楚地了解到这些组合的真正意义，就像这两个例子中的那样。
Yeah yeah and the the whole sort of chapters in a book feeling I mean particularly when you get these recurrence transits between slower moving planets that only like Jupiter, Uranus I think is every 14 years so things like that that's where you get the real chapter breakdown feeling from these you'll you'll see it again when we get to Michael Jackson later yeah it does it is like reminiscent of some of the time-lure techniques in the way like the slower moving ones can break up these really large parts of the life but that's what's interesting it's so variable based on the planetary cycles because some of them are very quick inner planet cycles like let's say mercury in Mars or or Sun and Saturn which is like a every year versus medium-sized ones like Venus and Mars or Mars and Jupiter or you get like longer ones like Saturn Uranus Saturn Pluto Jupiter Saturn which is every 20 years and so on and so forth.
是的，是的，这种感觉就像一本书的章节，特别是在较慢移动的行星之间发生的重复过境时，比如木星和天王星的过境大约每14年发生一次，这就像是在生活中划分出一个个章节。我们稍后谈到迈克尔·杰克逊时会再次看到这种现象。这种大型时间段的划分让人联想到一些时间主导技术，其中较慢移动的行星能够划分出人生中的大型阶段。但有趣的是，这种划分因行星周期的不同而变化很大。有些周期非常短，比如水星和火星，或者太阳和土星，这类周期每年都会发生，而其他像金星和火星、火星和木星则是中等长度的周期。还有更长的周期，如土星与天王星、土星与冥王星、木星与土星的组合，每20年才出现一次，等等。
Exactly like it with with my chart ironically being something of a pioneer or whatever in the in-pite in recurrence transits my chart is mostly a stelium I have a the biggest aspect of my chart really is a Sun Neptune square and once a year there's a Sun Neptune square and but I have looked at my life in every week when that Sun Neptune square occurs there is something in my life that that does resonate with that transit even though it's this very fast moving annual one there is something there I've learned to identify it you know kind of like getting the flu once a year or something like oh here we go again you know like that kind of reliable rhythm yeah is that do you have any other examples of recurrence transits and so on if this is a good exam time to like mention ours or if we save those for later I don't remember if you had other ones
完全翻译成中文可能有些困难，因为原文不够流畅。以下是尝试翻译成中文并尽量使其易读：
就像我的星盘一样，具有某种先锋精神，或者说在周期性回归上是独一无二的。我的星盘主要是一个群星相位，其中最显著的是太阳和海王星的刑相位。每年都会有一个太阳和海王星的刑相位，而我查看自己生活的每一周时，发现每当这个相位出现时，我的生活中总会有某些事情与之共鸣。尽管这是个快速且一年一度的相位，但我学会了识别它。就像每年得一次流感一样，你会觉得“哦，又来了”，这种可靠的节奏感。你有没有其他关于周期性回归的例子？如果有，这是一个很好的机会来提到我们的例子，或者我们把这些留到以后再讨论。我不记得你是否还有其他的例子。
Oh I mean you know not really I mean that's the thing about my chart I don't have many you know the Venus Mars conjunction or Moon Mars sorry Venus Jupiter conjunction or Moon Mars square but that's just it with my chart there aren't that many I really learned them looking at other people's charts I don't know if I would have learned them if I was only looking at my life because of the layout of my chart got it okay um I and I've been focused on learning the others and I only started recently applying it and seeing it to my own and then being impressed by some of the alignments
哦，我的意思是，你知道，其实不是那样的。我指的是，我的星盘上没有太多像金星和火星合相，或者是月亮和火星，抱歉，是金星和木星合相，或者月亮和火星四分这样的组合。但这就是我的星盘的问题，并没有那么多类似的东西。我主要是通过观察别人的星盘来学习这些内容的。我不知道如果我只是看自己的星盘的话，是否还能学到这些，因为我的星盘格局就是这样。 明白了吗？嗯，我一直专注于学习别人的星盘，最近才开始把这些知识应用到自己的星盘上，并且对某些排列感到惊讶。
Um let me wonder I do that real quick just for the sake of making sure I include it includes some of my best examples like early on oh yeah you and I both have Venus Jupiter don't we I don't but it's been an important one and that's one of the interesting questions I have for other reasons is like it almost becomes important for me by secondary progression which is weird and but I don't know if that's really it I have some I have some open questions
嗯，让我想一下。我想赶快做这件事，以便确保我加入了其中一些我最好的例子，比如早期的那些。哦，对了，你和我都有金星和木星的位置，对吧？我没有，但它一直是一个重要的因素。这也是我因为其他原因而感兴趣的问题之一，因为通过次限推运，它几乎变得对我很重要，这很奇怪。我也不知道这是否是真的，我还有一些未解的问题。
All right so here's my chart and I have a few different combinations that I was looking at um but one of them maybe I should do it with an anime I haven't been using the buy wheel because because I know it's gonna slow us down if we do and I try to look up the transits but maybe I should for this example for the sake of um showing what I'm actually talking about which I haven't been doing we've been doing it with just the natal chart in order to make this quicker but March all right so one of the things actually now let's start with the natal chart and the natal chart itself I have a Mars Jupiter conjunction it's in the 12th house
好的，这是我的图表，我之前研究过一些不同的组合，其中一个我考虑过用一个动漫来演示。我没有使用购买轮，因为我知道这会拖慢我们的进度，我尽量去查阅星象过境，但可能为了这个例子，我应该使用，这样可以更清晰地展示我在说什么，我之前只是在用本命盘来加快速度。但说到三月，先从本命盘开始，在本命盘里，我的火星和木星是合相的，位于十二宫。
12th house is not a great house it's often associated with like illness or like chronic illness especially long-term illness opposite to the sixth house which is more acute illnesses typically or injuries so that Mars Jupiter conjunction um I had a recurrence of that actually in Capricorn in March of 2020 and that was when I got sick famously with COVID uh right at the very beginning of the pandemic so March 15 2020 and because that was famously like when the lockdowns happened in the US was March of 2020 and I just kind of barely missed that and got COVID like right before the lockdown set it in place which really sucked is unfortunate timing for me
第十二宫不是个好宫位，它通常与疾病相关，特别是慢性疾病，尤其是长期疾病，而第六宫更多与急性疾病或伤害相关。因此，当火星和木星在2020年3月合相的时候，我在摩羯座遇到了旧病复发，那时正是我感染上大家所熟知的新冠病毒的时候，也就是疫情刚开始的时候，2020年3月15日。那段时间正好是美国进入封锁的时段，而我在封锁措施生效前得了新冠，这对我来说真是时间不太凑巧。
But one of the things that you can see was that was happening that week the week that I got really like seriously ill um is that Mars and Jupiter were forming a conjunction in the sky which went exact March 19th so it was really under that exact conjunction that I'm like deathly ill for like a week or not for like a month and then after that I developed um it hit my system in some sort of weird way that the doctors don't understand where it created some sort of permanent damage that people call long COVID nowadays but it's a persistent chronic illness with a chronic fatigue and memory loss and I can't exert myself very much because when I do I fall into a deep energy hole for like a week after that
那周，我病得很重，也就是我真的病得很重的那周，你可以看到发生了一件事，那就是火星和木星在天空中形成了合相，并在3月19日达到了精确的合相。就在那次精确合相的期间，我病得很严重，有差不多一个月的时间。之后，我出现了一种医生们也不太了解的身体反应，造成了一些永久性的损害，这种情况现在被称为“长新冠”。这是一种持续性慢性疾病，伴随着慢性疲劳和记忆力下降。我不能太过用力，因为一旦我用力过度，就会陷入一个深深的能量低谷，并维持大约一个星期。
And it's created all sorts of health issues for the past five years which I've slowly come to understand our permanent and potentially irreversible in my life and has limited me so that I don't I can't travel because I get sick so easily and I have gotten sick with COVID subsequent times which has made it worse over the past several years I've had to stop going to conferences and giving lectures for example where I traveled all over the world in the decade leading up to that like giving lectures and speaking at conferences
在过去的五年里，这种情况导致了各种健康问题，而我慢慢认识到这些问题在我生活中可能是永久的，甚至不可逆的。这些健康问题限制了我，使得我不能旅行，因为我很容易生病。在接下来的几年里，我多次感染了新冠病毒，这使情况变得更糟。举例来说，在过去的十年里，我经常到世界各地旅行，参加会议和演讲，而现在我不得不停止这些活动。
And I would be like headlining most conferences right now if I was able to but I can't and it leads back to this Mars Jupiter conjunction which was our occurrence for me in my 12th house in March of 2020 that time to getting sick on top of that I also had a Saturn Pluto co presence in Scorpio which is like a Saturn Pluto conjunction basically where Pluto is at two degrees of Scorpio and Saturn's at 17 degrees of Scorpio and that was also a occurrence that year because famously in January right when the World Health Organization was recognizing COVID as an upcoming pandemic basically Saturn and Pluto exactly conjoined at that time and we're still very in a very very close conjunction which happened to be also in my 12th house at that time so I was having multiple recurrences happening in my 12th house at that time I got really sick you can go back and watch the forecast videos for that time where I look and sound absolutely terrible yeah but it was a huge turning point in my life that happened to coincide with those two recurrences so pretty good grim well yeah pretty grim but you're still with us think God.
如果我能够的话，我现在可能会在大多数会议上作主要演讲，但我做不到，而这与2020年3月在我的第十二宫出现的火星与木星合相有关。那段时间我生病了，而且还有天蝎座的土星与冥王星共伴现象，这基本上是一个土星与冥王星的合相，冥王星位于天蝎座2度，土星位于天蝎座17度。这也是那一年发生的一件事情，因为在1月世界卫生组织开始承认新冠疫情即将来临时，土星和冥王星刚好在那时候准确合相，仍然非常接近，并且也发生在我的第十二宫。所以当时我的第十二宫发生了多次相关天象，我变得非常虚弱。你可以回看那个时候的预测视频，我看起来和听起来真的很糟糕。那是我生命中的一个巨大转折点，恰好与这两次天象重合。虽然情况很严峻，但还好，我还在这里，谢谢上帝。
Yeah well that's the thing about this we've had some positive ones but these do not always coincide with good good good things you know obviously there can be there can be bad alignments as well and the insight that this gives us can give us some some helpful things for understanding and contextualizing some of the most important albeit difficult times in our life so yeah yeah I guess you were also you were 35 at this point weren't you and that's a 12th house perfection year as well just to like throw it all on even more yeah it was like it was a 12th house perfection year everything was hitting that Mars which is always my most problematic planet in the 12th house because the day chart some Mars is contrary to the sect yeah so it's a lot of stuff.
嗯，就是这样的事情，我们确实有过一些积极的情况，但这些并不总是与好事相符，你知道，显然也可能会有糟糕的排列。而这种情况给我们的洞察力，可以为我们理解和把握我们生活中一些重要而又艰难的时刻提供一些帮助。所以，是的，我想当时你也 35 岁了，不是吗？而这也是一个第十二宫完满年，只是想再多说一点，是啊，那是一个第十二宫完满年，一切都集中在火星上，而火星一直是我在第十二宫中最麻烦的行星，因为这是一个日盘，所以火星在这一派门下总是显得不协调，所以说，事情很多。
So more positively another one that I found in my own chronology that I was really impressed by just in the past few days as I was working on this is I also have a mercury Pluto co presence in the same sign which is a sign-based conjunction with mercury at 23 Scorpio and Pluto at two degrees of Scorpio and this is one of my aspects I associate with that I really like to investigate like dig down deep into things and research things really extensively like when I get focused on something I want to research it's like my you know what was it like a who was it that had that writer of like Sherlock Holmes I think had that that conjunction as well Arthur are there Conan Doyle.
更积极地说，最近几天我在整理自己的时间轴时发现了一个让我印象深刻的组合。我也在同一个星座中有水星和冥王星同时出现，这是一个以星座为基础的合相，其中水星位于天蝎座23度，而冥王星位于天蝎座2度。这是我认为与我自己性格有关的相位之一，让我特别喜欢深入研究和挖掘事物。当我对某件事情产生兴趣时，就想要深入研究到底。我记得好像是写《福尔摩斯》的那位作家，阿瑟·柯南·道尔，也有这种合相。
Yeah so interestingly I looked back and I found when I first started studying Hellenistic astrology was in 2004 and I looked up in the I started studying Hellenistic astrology with Demetra George in a class that she was teaching at Kepler College and I was able to find with the help of my friend who I took that class with at the time Laura Machetti she was able to find the start of that term and it was December 8th 2004 and at that time mercury had recently stationed retrograde conjunct Pluto and on that day mercury was at 20 degrees of Sagittarius conjunct Pluto at 21 degrees of Sagittarius in my 11 pole sign house but also co-present with my the degree of my mid-heaven that's importing 10,000 significations into that sign.
有趣的是，我回顾了一下，发现我第一次开始研究希腊化占星术是在2004年。当时，德米特拉·乔治在开普勒学院教授一门课程，我就是在她的课上开始学习希腊化占星术的。和我一起上课的朋友劳拉·马切蒂帮助我找到了那个学期的开始时间，那是2004年12月8日。那时，水星刚刚在接近冥王星时转为逆行，而在那天，水星位于射手座20度，与位于射手座21度的冥王星相合，这个位置在我的11宫中，同时也与我中天的度数共同存在，将第10宫的意义引入了这个星座。
So this is a replication of my natal mercury Pluto sign-based conjunction in a very close degree based conjunction essentially the day or the week that I started studying ancient astrology which would eventually become my my thing that would write a book about over a decade later so yeah I met you about three months after this I met you in March of 2025 online so one thing led to another yeah nice yeah.
这句话的翻译如下：
所以，这是对我本命星盘中水星和冥王星基于星座合相的重现，这个合相的度数非常接近，几乎是在我开始学习古代占星学的那一天或那一周，而这门学问最终成为了我十多年后会写书的主题。大约三个月后，我在2025年3月通过网络认识了你，事情就这样一步步发展下去，真不错啊。
Um so what are things it was funny about that though with it being like a mercury retrograde conjunct Pluto that I remembered and laughed about that I'd forgotten was at the beginning of that term I got a book that was like a collection of excerpts of translations of the different Hellenistic astrologers that came with the course that was put together by Robert Schmidt and then Dimitra also had an extensive write-up and commentary and like her actual teachings on the material that was also supposed to be emailed out or sent out at the same time but there was a a snafu and I didn't receive like her notes and her lessons basically so for the first like three weeks of the class like starting at this point I only focused on just the translations and like really I had to try very hard and read them very carefully and like deeply to truly understand what they were saying when I didn't have any other um help or commentary or anything else to do so.
嗯，所以有趣的是，这件事和水星逆行合相冥王星有关。回想起来，我笑了，因为我在学期开始时收到了包含罗伯特·施密特编写的课程的书，书里有各种希腊占星家的译文摘录。同时，迪米特拉也有很详尽的写作和评论，应该和课程资料一起通过邮件发送给我的。但是出现了问题，我没有收到她的笔记和课程内容。所以在课程开始的前三周，我只能专注于阅读那些译文。没有其他辅助材料的时候，我必须非常用心、仔细地阅读和理解这些内容。
So that um I had this early experience for the first three weeks while mercury is retrograde basically until the end of the month of trying to just read the texts on their own terms and coming to my own conclusions about them without anybody else's commentary not not you know Dimitra's and not Schmidt's or anyone else's and then at the end of the month when mercury station direct um like I was giving like answers that were not quite what Dimitra was expecting on the homework and we realized that I hadn't gotten her notes and so then she sent it to me and it was like rectified and then I caught up in everything but it was an interesting early experience in terms of that and just in terms of then like foundational experience of how then I've always approached Hellenistic astrology and trying to read the texts on their own and coming to my own conclusions about what they what they said or what they meant.
在水星逆行的头三个星期里，也就是基本到月底这一段时间，我有了一次早期的经历。我尝试独自阅读文本，自己得出结论，而不参考其他人的评论，包括Dimitra的和Schmidt的。到月底，当水星顺行的时候，我在作业中给出的答案并不完全符合Dimitra的预期。于是我们发现我没有收到她的笔记。她把笔记发给我后，我修正了自己的理解，并赶上了所有内容。这是一次有趣的早期经历，也是奠定基础的经历。它影响了我如何接触古典占星学——努力独立阅读文本，并就其内容和意义得出自己的结论。
That's a brilliant story and yeah like it's funny how sometimes a seeming deficit actually helps you exercise some muscle that um becomes unique to you you know you're own um unique set of skills. Right yeah exactly and then you know then that was the purpose of my book later on is that it's actually really hard to do that to just pick up the Hellenistic texts on their own and read them and understand them especially without they commonly use like technical terms that they don't define and so it's actually kind of tough to do that um and that was the purpose of me publishing my book over a decade later in in 2017 is giving people like a primer so that they can have an overview of the Hellenistic tradition and then that would make it easier for them to read and understand the texts themselves and I always encourage people to do that and read them on their own terms and not just take what I say about them for granted.
这是一个精彩的故事，有时候让人觉得有趣的是，看似的劣势实际上帮助你锻炼出某种对你来说独特的能力，你知道，就是自己独有的一套技能。对，没错。后来那也是我写书的目的之一，因为实际上单靠自己去学习和理解古希腊文本是非常困难的，特别是那些文本经常使用一些没有解释的专业术语，这让学习变得更加艰难。因此，我在十多年后的2017年出版了我的书，为大家提供一个入门指南，这样他们就可以对希腊传统有一个概述，并且能够更轻松地阅读和理解这些文本。我一直鼓励大家这样做，用自己的方式去阅读，而不仅仅是盲从我的解读。
So get this though this leads to one other weird recurrence and weird um facet of the technique that I keep seeing coming up which is look at this chart one of the other things that's happening in this chart when literally the week I'm studying at first starting Hellenistic astrology is there's a Venus Mars conjunction that's happening in Scorpio in my 10 pole sign house where Venus on this day is at 20 degrees of Scorpio and Mars is at 18 degrees of Scorpio. Look at what happens over a decade later where I spend over 10 years I started in 2007 writing a book on Hellenistic astrology and basically researching a book on Hellenistic astrology and after 10 years I finally published the book on February 10th 2017 so that Venus Mars conjunction Scorpio in my 10th house when I the day I start studying Hellenistic astrology and then look at this the day I publish my book on Hellenistic astrology February 10th 2017 there's a very close Venus Mars conjunction in areas in my third whole sign house the place of writing and communication with Venus at five degrees of areas and Mars at 10 degrees of areas.
所以，注意这一点，这引出了另一个奇怪的重复现象和与我一直反复看到的技术相关的奇特方面。看看这个图表，我最初开始研究古典占星学的那一周，发生了一件事情，就是在天蝎座的我的第十宫有一个金星和火星的合相，金星在这一天位于天蝎座的20度，而火星位于18度。十多年后，当我花了超过十年的时间（从2007年开始）写一本关于古典占星学的书，并进行相关研究后，我终于在2017年2月10日出版了这本书。注意这个现象：当我开始学习古典占星学的那一天，我的第十宫发生了金星和火星的合相，而在我出版关于古典占星学的书的那一天，2017年2月10日，在代表写作和交流的我的第三宫，发生了一个非常接近的金星和火星的合相，金星位于白羊座的5度，火星位于白羊座的10度。
So what I took for them this and what's a little bizarre about it is it set it up so that me starting to study Hellenistic astrology created almost like a foundation chart of its own with its own signature of like a Venus conjunct Mars in Scorpio and then that signature was repeated when the culmination of that starting to study Hellenistic astrology happened with me publishing the book on it and then Venus Mars again repeats. Yeah pretty amazing it also explains that South node but that's for another conversation like in terms of like the eclipses because there was a eclipse repetition as well but I don't know if that's what you mean. Oh sorry um in terms of you want me to repeat that? In terms of the eclipse repetition or what do you mean because there was a eclipse interesting like recurrence as well.
我对他们的收获是这样的，这件事情有点奇怪，因为它导致我开始研究希腊化占星术，几乎像是创造了一个有自己特征的基础图表，比如在天蝎座的金星合火星这个特征。然后，当我出版关于这个主题的书时，这个特征又出现了，可以说这是学习希腊化占星术的成果的顶峰。真的很惊人，而且这也解释了南交点的影响，不过这是另一个话题，涉及到日食，因为还有一个日食重复的现象。我不确定这是否是你的意思。哦，对不起，你要我重复一下吗？是关于日食重复的意思吗？因为那里确实有一个有趣的日食重复现象。
Yeah no I mean you have the South node with with you know all those Scorpio planets including the Mercury Pluto and in December of 2004 when you were first taking the class because you were 20 years old that South node was again in Scorpio although the the other end of the sign and the South node is very much about learning things the way you learned without that book sort of learning by process as opposed to like learning by method which is more North node but yeah I didn't want to drag you too far into this but it was just a little that really to my mind explains that that South node in the overall stellium and your chart and the fact that it was occurring at that time as well.
是这样的，我的意思是，你的星盘中有南交点，同时也有包括水星和冥王星在内的一些天蝎座行星。在2004年12月，当你20岁第一次上课的时候，南交点再次位于天蝎座，尽管在星座的另一端。南交点主要是关于以某种直接的方式学习，就像你那时候不用教材而是通过过程来学习，而不是通过北交点那样的方法化学习。我不想让这个话题深入太多，只是觉得这一点很能解释你星盘中整体状态中的南交点，以及它那时候发生的意义。
Yeah I mean I think that's really interesting because there were I was looking at you know because a few months before I started studying Hellenic astrology I moved to Seattle to study at Kepler and that was basically happening under this Mars Jupiter conjunction and co-presence that was happening in my 9th house so there was another recurrence there but I wasn't going to go into that but it was also there were eclipses happening at that time and it was this eclipse in late October and I ended up moving around that time and I had known about the concept of whole sign houses for a year up to that point but I rejected it I mean ironically just like with this technique I often like start out kind of like skeptical and not easily picking something up so I knew about whole sign houses from like a Rob Hand article or something from a year before this and it rejected it but then I noticed that I ended up moving like right like events constilated so I ended up moving very close to this eclipse that happened in Taurus in my fourth whole sign house and that was one of my early instances that made me like perk up and start like paying attention that whole sign houses could be a legitimate thing because otherwise it was weird for that lunation to take place that the nation to take place there around the time of my move absolutely.
当然，我觉得这真的很有趣，因为几个月前，我开始研究希腊占星学，然后搬到西雅图去凯普勒学院学习。当时正好是火星和木星在我的第九宫相合的时候，这样的巧合再次发生。不过，我本来不打算深入讨论这个话题，因为当时也有发生月食，那是在十月底。我最终是在接近这个时间点搬家的。其实早在那时，我已经知道"整宫制"的概念有一年了，但我并没有接受这个概念。有趣的是，我一向对新技术持怀疑态度，不容易接受。我大约一年前通过一篇Rob Hand的文章了解到"整宫制"，但当时却拒绝了。但是我注意到，最终我确实是在这次月食期间搬家，月食发生在金牛座，对应我的第四整宫。这是让我开始关注并认真考虑"整宫制"可能真有其道理的最早经历之一。否则，这种天象出现在我搬家期间实在太过巧合。
And the other thing that's interesting about it when you have a birthday like that when the sun is with the south node something else that happened to you in that year is very south node is this was the year you would be invited to come live in Cumberland this is a very sort of south node you know sun kind of experience where yeah the south node is chosen or invited or offered things as opposed to the north node which has to seek out or you know be proactive in in you know achieving what it needs to achieve or getting what it wants the south node is very much like you know that that all sort of happen I met you online then we met in person with with Bill we went to dinner Bill invited you to come live in Cumberland next thing you knew you were living in Cumberland studying Hellenistic astrology right by the end of August.
当你的生日与南交点重合时，发生在这一年中的其他事情也会很有南交点的特点。举个例子，那一年你被邀请去住在坎伯兰，这是一种非常南交点的经历。南交点的特点是它被选择、邀请或提供机会，而不是像北交点那样需要主动去寻找或努力实现目标或获取所需。南交点常常是事情自然而然地发生。比如，我在网上认识了你，我们和比尔见了面，一起吃了晚餐，比尔邀请你去坎伯兰住。到八月底时，你已经住在坎伯兰，学习希腊化占星术了。
So yeah that all sort of that's all very south node like where it's not so much about what you're putting into place but how things are are conspiring around you and how you go with the flow and accept opportunities right yeah so that's incredible and then just to briefly mention a few others from my chronology you know one that I mentioned this summer over the summer when there's a Venus Jupiter conjunction is like I have this weird Venus that Venus Jupiter one and it's not a signature in my birth chart so I've often been a little curious about why that shows up in in my stuff but my partner Lisa first emailed me in 2006 about something like some question and it was our first contact and it was like the day of the Venus Jupiter conjunction in Scorpio and then in my chart by secondary progression her and I ended up getting together in a relationship a few years later when Venus and Jupiter exactly joined by secondary progression in my secondary progress chart.
所以，这一切都很像南交点的特点，不是说你在推动什么，而是指周围的事物如何发展，以及你如何随波逐流和接受机会。这真的很不可思议。然后，简单提一下我个人历史中的其他几个事件。比如，今夏我提到过的金星和木星合相。我有点好奇这个合相为什么会在我的生活中出现，因为我本命盘中并没有这个标志。我的伴侣丽莎第一次给我发电子邮件是在2006年，询问了一个问题，那是我们第一次联系，恰好是在天蝎座金星和木星合相的那一天。几年后，根据我的次限推运图，她和我在次限推运图中金星和木星正好再次合相时开始了一段关系。
And then later we spent some time apart and we got back together on a Venus Jupiter conjunction in 2015 and then over the summer this summer under the Venus Jupiter conjunction in cancer in my sixth house she had just had surgery for breast cancer and I was taking care of her under that conjunction so there's this weird history behind that that's almost tied in with the first contact chart between us which is a Venus Jupiter conjunction which I find fascinating because it's not necessarily a recurrence in my chart but it's something there that sometimes just like how I started studying Hellenistic astrology on Venus Mars conjunction and then the book was published in a Venus Mars conjunction sometimes events in our life can almost set up a new foundation chart for subsequent recurrences absolutely but I do also think there's something to be said for the fact that the progress Venus was coming to Jupiter and sometimes that can also you know you've a secondary progressed aspect as an aspect that you've sort of arrived at over the course of life and then the recurrence transits can you know I'd be recurring a recurrence of a progressed aspect as opposed to a natal one you know is that what it is because I've been puzzling about that yeah I think so to me I always for me secondary progressions are transits on a different you know on an internal clock but they are transits essentially and so yeah there's there's it's that element of you you have this kind of this transit on the inside and then it manifests on the outside with a you know whenever recurrence transit happens.
随后，我们有一段时间分开了，但又在2015年一次金星与木星的合相时复合了。今年夏天，在我的第六宫内，发生在巨蟹座的金木合相期间，她刚刚做了乳腺癌手术，我也在那段时间照顾她。这样的经历很奇妙，因为这似乎与我们之间的首次接触图有关联，而那也是一个金木合相。我对此感到非常有趣，因为这并不一定在我的本命盘中再次发生，但它确实存在，就像我开始研究古典占星学时恰逢金星与火星合相，而我的书也是在金火合相时出版的。生活中的一些事件几乎可以为后续的重复铺设一个新的基础图。我也认为，进步盘中的金星正向木星靠近也是很有意义的，有些时候，次要进步相位本身就是你在人生中到达的一个阶段，而重复的过境可能是进步相位的再次出现，而非本命相位。这就是我一直困惑的原因吗？我觉得是这样。对于我来说，次要进步更像是一种不同的“内部时钟”上的过境，但它们基本上还是过境。所以，这就像内心的一次过境，随后在外部体现出来，每当重复的过境发生时，就反映出这个元素。
I've used this example before but just to show people what we're talking about because it's just stunning because you imagine it's like this is my birth chart where I have Venus at 15 degrees of Sagittarius and Jupiter is at 8 degrees of Capricorn so it's like they're not in the same sign and this wouldn't be considered a co-presence but they are if you were to look out that day like in roughly the same region of the sky let's say so that Venus is moving towards Jupiter and it's you know little less than than 30 degrees away but then if you start animating my chart by secondary progressions like one day per year you see Venus moving through the rest of Sagittarius starting at 15 and moving through the end going into Capricorn in the mid 90s to early 2000s and then it comes up right on Jupiter and joins it and then the moon actually swoops through and joins Venus and Jupiter at the same time when like the longest and most significant relationship of my life begins so I thought that was a stunning example but then it's also been weird that these Venus Jupiter conjunctions also recur at other important times in the relationship yeah yeah but I mean to my mind that that explains it beautifully yeah secondary progressions do that they interact with the other transits with the real-time transits okay I think I treat them as being the same technique in a way you know like I don't use secondary progressions without transits okay well let's bookmark that sort of the long regression but yeah come back very interesting we'll come back to that another episode.
我之前用过这个例子，但这次给大家展示一下我们的讨论内容，因为这真的很惊艳。你可以想象这就像是我的出生星图，其中金星位于射手座的15度，而木星在摩羯座的8度位置。虽然它们不在同一星座，并不被认为是共同存在，但如果你那天观察天空，它们大约位于同一区域。金星正朝向木星移动，相距不到30度。接着，如果你通过次限推运（即一年等于一天）来动态展示我的星图，你会看到金星从射手座15度开始，移动到尾部，最终在90年代中期到2000年代初进入摩羯座，并最终与木星相合。此时，月亮也加入，与金星和木星相合，这正是我生命中最长且最重要的一段关系开始的时候。我觉得这是一个惊人的例子，而且奇妙的是，这种金木合相也在这段关系中的其他重要时刻再次出现。对我来说，这很好地解释了次限推运与实时星象互动的方式。我把它们视为同一种技术的组成部分，我从不在没有考虑星象变化的情况下使用次限推运。好吧，我们记下这个长期推运，稍后再讨论，非常有趣，我们会在以后的节目中回到这个话题。
Okay so you know I've mentioned now in my example for example Mars Jupiter was like a tough one or Saturn Pluto conjunction was a tough one there's other examples that can be really tough so I want to mention a few of those that I came across which are like other chart examples that I've used at different points and one of the chart examples I've used in the past was rock Hudson who was a famous actor in the middle of the 20th century he was born November 17th 1925 and he was born with a Mars Saturn co-presence with Mars at two degrees of Scorpio in a sign-based conjunction with Saturn at 17 degrees of Scorpio in a night chart and rock Hudson was a famous actor but one of the things about him is that he was he was gay and he was closeted at a time when you know being a gay man could have cost him his job as an actor basically so he had to stay in the closet for the majority of his life but then what happened is on June 5th 1984 he was diagnosed with AIDS like a very early on in the AIDS epidemic and pandemic and this happened this his diagnosis happened under a very close Mars Saturn conjunction in Scorpio within three degrees with Mars retrograde applying to Saturn and he was diagnosed with AIDS and then later they announced it as publicist and him announced it and it was one of the early things that really shocked people in the United States and make people start taking the AIDS pandemic more seriously basically that this a very famous actor got sick with it and then subsequently died not that long after yeah and and I remember it at the time
好的，所以我之前提到了我的例子，比如火星-木星的组合很难，或者土星-冥王星的合相也很困难，还有其他可能很艰难的例子，所以我想说几个我遇到的例子，这些例子是我在不同的时候使用过的星盘案例。 其中一个我过去使用过的星盘案例是洛克·哈德森，他是在20世纪中期很有名的演员。他出生于1925年11月17日，他的出生图中火星和土星同在一个宫位，火星在天蝎座2度，与土星在天蝎座17度处于星座合相之中，并且是一个夜间星盘。洛克·哈德森是一位著名的演员，但关于他的一件事是他是同性恋，并且在那个时期，作为一个同性恋者可能会让他失去作为演员的工作，所以他大多数时间都保持隐瞒。然而发生的事情是，在1984年6月5日，他在艾滋病流行的早期被诊断出感染了艾滋病。这次诊断发生在一次非常接近的火星-土星合相之下，在天蝎座内以三度的差距存在，其间火星逆行正临近土星。他被诊断出艾滋病，后来他和他的公关宣布了这个消息，这个消息震惊了美国民众，让人们开始更认真地对待艾滋病的流行，因为这样一位著名演员被感染了，然后不久之后去世了。我还记得那时的情景。
he went to the White House because of course he was friends with Ronnie and Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan they came from the same Hollywood milieu and but it was you know suddenly Ronald and Nancy Reagan were sort of looking awkward and embarrassed standing next. to the old friend because he was kind of amaciated and sick and and essentially you know it was only because yeah he was the first celebrity to become to be diagnosed with AIDS and to die of it and and you know it sort of it collided with the the image that the Reagan's had been cultivating during the presidency and yeah you know Reagan didn't didn't do much for for AIDS research during his term and you know even with his friend dying so it was it was all very powerful all happening it really was you know that that moment when everyone was really starting to understand what this this new disease was all about and what it was doing
他去白宫是因为他当然和罗尼（罗纳德·里根）以及南希·里根是朋友，他们都来自同一个好莱坞圈子。但是，突然之间，罗纳德和南希·里根站在这个老朋友旁边，看起来有些尴尬和难为情，因为他明显消瘦而且病得很重。其实，这只是因为他是第一个被诊断出患有艾滋病并因此去世的名人。这和里根总统期间努力塑造的形象产生了冲突。里根在任期内对艾滋病研究并没有做太多，甚至他的朋友去世了也没有什么举动。这一切都很有震撼力，发生在大家真正开始理解这种新疾病及其影响的时刻。
yeah yeah so one of the important things from this example I really want to emphasize because I know some people might initially it might be different than how some astrologers are used to practicing but one of the things I've really revived from from Hellenistic astrology and ancient astrologers the use of both sign-based aspects as well as degree-based aspects and both being important and relevant and this is a good example of this and partially how this technique works which is that you know Mars and Saturn and his birth chart are in a co-presence or sign-based conjunction by sign but by degree they're pretty far apart where Mars is at two degrees of Scorpio and Saturn is at 17 degrees of Scorpio but what I would say and what I think this example shows is that nonetheless when two planets are either in the same sign or when they're close in degrees it does create that signature in the birth chart and then when that conjunction happens in the future either by sign both by sign as well as by degree because here at the actual time of the event the conjunction was extremely close you know a significant event happens and actually takes place so that's something I want to emphasize here is is both the sign-based aspect as well as degree-based aspects are important and relevant when it comes to this technique
当然，当然，我想要强调的是这一点，因为我知道有些人可能刚开始时会觉得这与他们习惯的占星方法不同。我从希腊化占星术和古代占星师那里复兴了一些技术，特别是关于星座基础（sign-based）和度数基础（degree-based）相位的运用，两者都非常重要且相关。这个例子很好地说明了这个技术是如何运作的。在某人的出生图中，火星和土星在同一星座（天蝎座）内有协同存在或星座基础合相，这是星座基础（sign-based）的概念。然而，就度数而言，它们相隔较远，火星在天蝎座2度，而土星在天蝎座17度。
不过，我想说的是，这个例子表明，即使两颗行星仅是在同一个星座内，或者在度数上相近，它们也会在出生图中产生某种影响。当这种合相在未来无论是星座基础合相还是度数基础合相发生时，尤其是在事件实际发生时合相极为接近时，通常会发生一个重大事件。所以我想要在这里强调的是，无论是星座基础相位还是度数基础相位，对于这项技术而言，都是重要且相关的。
yeah absolutely um you know what's what's funny is um rock Hudson's wife I mean you know he was gay but he he had a a wife to as a beard that he married when he was 30 in 1955 she her name was Phyllis Hudson she was three weeks younger than him and she had the Mars Saturn conjunction in her chart um and when he and he married her as his progress Mars was just going past his you know progress Saturn because he was uh you know just turning 30 and he was a few weeks older than her so yeah it's like he married her she had the natal conjunction and um and and he was having that progressed conjunction not unlike you meeting Lisa so there's there's something to that as well okay and it was and it was a Mars Saturn marriage it wasn't you know it was a funny marriage um
好的，当然。你知道，关于洛克·哈德森的事情很有趣，他是同性恋，但在1955年他30岁的时候，为了掩饰身份（充当"挡箭牌"），与一位名叫菲莉斯·哈德森的女士结了婚。她比他小三周，她的星盘中有火星和土星的合相。在他30岁左右的时候，他的进展火星正好过他的进展土星，于是就结婚了。你知道，就像你遇到丽莎那样，这其中也有某种意义。这段婚姻中有火星和土星的元素，并不是传统意义上的婚姻，而是非常有趣的结合。
okay yeah so um that's a heavy example but an important one um another heavy one that I found in my research is Malcolm X who was born May 19 19 25 and he had this Mars Pluto conjunction in cancer that was pretty close with Mars uh in the 7th whole sign house at six degrees of cancer conjunct Pluto at 11 degrees of cancer and um what I found is that when he was uh murdered when he was assassinated there was a Mars Pluto conjunction in the sky at that time so there was an exact recurrence of the same you know pretty difficult like Mars Pluto is a is a pretty violent signature natally um in the signature in the birth chart and then it recurs at the time when he was assassinated yeah that's a very good example um the the Mars wretched the Mars in when he was murdered was just coming out of a retrograde so it was a very slow Mars with that Pluto as well.
好的，是的，那么，嗯，这是一个沉重但重要的例子。 在我的研究中，我发现另一个沉重的例子是马尔科姆·X，他出生于1925年5月19日。他的星盘中有火星和冥王星在巨蟹座的合相，其中火星位于巨蟹座的第7个全宫，位置是六度，与位于十一度的冥王星非常接近。 我发现当他被暗杀时，天空中再次出现了火星与冥王星的合相，所以这种本来在他出生图中就具有暴力象征意义的天象，在他被暗杀时重现了。这是一个很好的例子，他被暗杀时的火星刚刚结束逆行，因此与冥王星一起运作得非常缓慢。
okay let me pull up so here's the actual date when he was murdered February 21st 1965 and we see Mars is actually retrograde at 20 this is correct right Mars at 24 degrees of Virgo and uh Pluto at 15 degrees of Virgo uh in his no sorry this is Hudson's chart on the wrong this is the right transits but it's looking at the wrong inner chart and we do sorry do that but yeah but it is true that he was shot yeah the Mars was retrograde with the plurid I thought it was a little before the station but no it was after the station yeah that's what I was wondering um okay here it is so it's like um this is Malcolm actually chart in the middle and then the Mars Pluto conjunction was happening is 9th whole sign house with Mars at 24 Virgo yeah like you said having stations retrograde recently so this is another one of those examples that we were talking about when one of the planets especially when the um faster moving planet has stationed recently either retrograded direct that makes it that makes the recurrence even more important and part of the reason for that is because it means then that it was that the conjunction in this instance was extended over like a long period of time.
好的，让我来看一下，他被谋杀的实际日期是1965年2月21日。我们看到火星实际上在逆行，当时位于处女座24度，这个是正确的，对吧？火星在处女座24度，而冥王星在处女座15度。不过这张是Hudson的星盘，分析错了，这些是正确的星体运行，但对应的内盘图看错了，对不起。但是，确实他被枪杀时火星是在逆行。我本来以为是在逆行站点之前一点，但实际上是在之后，所以我有疑惑。好，现在这里是Malcolm的星盘，而当时火星和冥王星的合相正好发生在第9宫星座，而火星在处女座24度，正如你所说，最近才刚刚进入逆行状态。这是我们之前讨论过的例子之一，当行星，特别是运行速度较快的行星，最近刚刚进入逆行或顺行时，这种现象更为重要，其部分原因是这意味着在这种情况下，星体合相的影响延续了较长时间。
so it both extends the transit but it also intensifies the transit and therefore oftentimes we'll make it stand out more in the person's chronology and you know if somebody was skeptical about the technique and skeptical about the frequency of some of the recurrences especially of inner planets are faster moving planets this is one of the filtering factors that you can use in order to try to um differentiate and create more hierarchy of which recurrences in some instances will be more important than others yeah absolutely and you know in in the case of Malcolm and his murder you know the that Mars retrograde it really was this drawn out of fair seven days before he was shot his house was blown up by a bomb you know he knew they were on his on his tail he knew his days were numbered essentially that whole period the last few months of his life were very sort of frantic but very you know the very prolific in terms of everything that was happening.
这一段文字可以翻译为中文如下：
"因此，这不仅延长了过境时间，还强化了过境效应，因此常常在一个人的时间线中更加突出。你知道，如果有人对这种技术持怀疑态度，并对某些事件的发生频率特别是内行星或速度较快的行星持怀疑态度，这是你可以用来区分和创建事件层级的一种过滤因素，以确定哪些事件在某些情况下比其他事件更重要。是的，绝对如此。以马尔科姆和他的谋杀案为例，那次火星逆行确实将事情拖延了下来。在他被枪杀的前七天，他的房子被炸弹炸毁。他知道有人在追他，知道自己的日子不多了。实际上，他生命的最后几个月多是紧张而动荡的，但在事件发生的数量上却非常多产。"
um but yeah that that Mars um um really hovered over him for those last few months and and you know right up until that last moment when he was he was murdered as he was doing a talk he was giving um um you know one of his yeah speeches and he was murdered by people in the audience right somebody came up in like shot him yeah okay all right yeah so that is another heavy example but again sometimes I guess we've seen that a couple of times now where sometimes a natal signature in the birth chart can can happen or recur again towards the end of a person's life in some instances which which can be an important bookend in it of itself.
嗯，但是是的，火星确实在他生命的最后几个月，对他有很大的影响，直到他被谋杀的那个时刻。当时，他正在进行一个演讲，被听众中的人杀害了，有人走上前去枪杀了他。是的，这又是一个沉重的例子。不过，有时我们确实发现，一些在出生星图上的命运特征，会在一个人生命的末期重现，成为它本身的一种重要终结。
all right we're back from break uh let's go through some more examples quickly because I want to jam a bunch more in before we wrap up uh we actually some ways to go at least an hour but on a packet as many examples as we can during that section especially of some of the really great ones that I found so the first one I'd like to show you is a cool cool part of the technique that taught me something new that I thought was really fascinating so this is the birth chart of Kurt Cobain so this is the birth chart of Kurt Cobain Kurt Cobain was born February 20th 1967 he had a venous Saturn conjunction in his chart that was very close in the seventh whole sign house with venous at 26 degrees of Pisces conjunct Saturn at 28 degrees of Pisces so Kurt Cobain was the frontman of Nirvana and in the 1990s Kurt Cobain famously got together with Courtney Love who was another musician and rock star now Courtney Love look at her chart was born on July 9th 1964 with a venous Mars conjunction so venous is retrograde at 20 degrees of Gemini conjunct Mars at 15 degrees of Gemini okay so that means you know he has a venous Saturn signature and she has a venous Mars signature.
好的，我们结束休息时间，继续快速看看更多例子，因为在结束之前我想尽量多讲一些例子。我们至少还有一个小时的时间，可以在这段时间内尽量讨论更多的例子，尤其是一些我发现的非常有趣的例子。第一个例子是我觉得相当有趣的技巧，它教会了我一些新东西。这是科特·科本（Kurt Cobain）的出生星盘。
科特·科本于1967年2月20日出生，他的星盘中有一个金星与土星的合相，位于第七宫内，金星在双鱼座26度，紧邻土星在双鱼座28度。科特·科本是乐队涅槃（Nirvana）的主唱，1990年代他与另一位音乐家和摇滚明星科特尼·洛芙（Courtney Love）相识并交往。
科特尼·洛芙的星盘显示，她于1964年7月9日出生，有一个金星与火星的合相。金星逆行位于双子座20度，紧邻火星在双子座15度。也就是说，科特·科本的星盘中有金星与土星的特征，而科特尼·洛芙的星盘中有金星与火星的特征。
look at what happened the day that they got married which is February 24th 1992 there was a triple conjunction of venous Mars and Saturn in the sign of Aquarius so it replicates. both his natal venous Saturn conjunction and her natal venous Mars conjunction to create this perfect triple conjunction which is like a recurrence transit for both of them involving their natal venous on the day that they're married I thought that was just absolutely astounding what do you what do you think yeah no it is it is astounding it's even slightly wilder when they they apparently first locked eyes on each other January 12th 1990 at a club called Satiracan in Portland Courtney was there with a friend Nirvana were playing a gig they they interacted briefly but when they met venous and Saturn had recently been conjunct in Capricorn then Venus had gone into Aquarius and it was retrograde and Aquarius heading back into Capricorn to make another conjunction with Saturn when the two of them met so even though they didn't meet like technically under under a recurrence it was like really like sandwiched in between a couple of venous Saturn conjunction recurrences that Kurt had at that time he had he had had a hard time during the conjunction prior to meeting Courtney the Nirvana were on tour in Europe and he kind of had a bit of a breakdown there and well and then he he met his his future wife as that recurrence was gearing up to come back.
看看他们结婚那天发生了什么，1992年2月24日。这天金星、火星和土星在水瓶座形成了三重合相，与他的本命金星土星合相以及她的本命金星火星合相相呼应，形成了一个完美的三重合相。这对他们双方来说，都像是一次涉及他们本命金星的重现过境。我觉得这真的很令人震惊。你怎么看？是的，确实令人震惊。更令人惊讶的是，据说他们第一次对视是在1990年1月12日，当时是在波特兰一家叫Satiracan的俱乐部。科特尼和一个朋友在那里，而涅槃乐队正在演出。他们有过短暂的互动，但是当他们相遇时，金星和土星刚刚在摩羯座合相，然后金星进入水瓶座，并在水瓶座逆行，准备返回摩羯座，再次与土星合相。所以，尽管他们相遇时技术上并不是在一个重现过境之下，但在科特时期，确实正是被夹在几次金星土星合相重现之间。科特在与科特尼相遇前的合相期间经历了一段艰难的时光，当时涅槃乐队正在欧洲巡演，他在那里有点崩溃，然后他遇到了即将成为他妻子的人，这时那个重现过境的时段又开始回来了。
so yeah but the the combination of their two charts and in one big happy marriage of recurrences is also yeah really really very interesting brilliant yeah so that's a principle then that that could be extrapolated elsewhere in terms of the combined recurrences for two people one of the really fascinating one that I found with respect to them is their relationship began on October 12th 1991 and here's the chart for that where there was a venous Jupiter conjunction in Virgo that was very close at that time so here's Venus at like four degrees of Virgo conjoining Jupiter at six degrees of Virgo so this is reportedly the day that they got together it's the beginning of their relationship and then or sorry their relationship began with a venous Jupiter conjunction and then get this the following year their daughter Francis Vincobain is born and she's born August 18th 1992 at 748 AM with 13 degrees of Virgo rising and Venus is conjunct Jupiter and Virgo with Venus at 13 degrees of Virgo conjunct Jupiter at 18 degrees of Virgo.
所以，将两个人的星盘组合在一起，形成一个美好的循环，可以说是非常有趣且出色的一个原理。这个原理可以应用于其他地方，特别是在研究两个人的合并星象循环时。我发现一个特别引人入胜的例子是关于他们的关系：他们的关系始于1991年10月12日。那天的星盘显示金星与木星在处女座发生了合相，金星位于处女座4度，而木星位于6度。这个合相据说标志着他们关系的开始。而且，接下来的一年，他们的女儿弗朗西斯·文科贝恩出生，时间是1992年8月18日早上7点48分。弗朗西斯出生时，上升星座是处女座13度，金星再次与木星在处女座合相，此时金星位于处女座13度，而木星位于18度。这显示了他们二人关系的特别之处。
so basically they started their relationship on a Venus Jupiter conjunction Virgo and then the result of their union was the birth of their first and only daughter who was born with Virgo rising and Venus conjunct Jupiter in her own birth chart that's again just like uncanny to me and just it's astounding and what's even wild there is about seven weeks earlier in late August of 1991 Venus was retrograde in Leo conjunct Jupiter in Leo and that we can Nirvana played the Reading Festival in England then another another festival on Sunday in Belgium and Courtney and Kurt did meet up there there's a movie that Sonic Youth made called the the Year Punk Broke and you can see Courtney loved backstage at those shows telling the camera that Kurt Cobain makes her heart melt even though they were still a you know more than a month away from actually becoming a couple so there's there's already that electricity is charged between the two of them and once you know that Sunday that concert in Belgium I was there but I didn't see Courtney but I did see Nirvana open eleven in the morning nice yeah I like I like that and you're Leo rising which is funny.
基本上，他们的关系是在金星与木星相合于处女座时开始的，而他们结合的结果就是他们的第一个也是唯一的女儿的出生。这位女儿出生时上升星座是处女座，金星再次与木星相合在她自己的星盘中。对我来说，这是不可思议的，简直令人惊叹。更有趣的是，大约七周前，1991年8月底，金星在狮子座逆行并与木星相合，正是在那段时间，Nirvana乐队在英国参加了Reading音乐节，然后在星期天在比利时的另一个音乐节上演出。就在那时候，科特尼和科特见面了。Sonic Youth制作了一部电影叫做《The Year Punk Broke》，你可以看到科特尼在演出后台对着镜头说，即使他们还没有真正成为情侣，科特·柯本让她心动不已。所以他们之间已经有了一种电光火石的感觉。至于那个星期天的比利时演出，我也去了，但我没看到科特尼。不过，我看到了Nirvana在上午十一点的开场演出。是啊，我喜欢那场演出，而且你是狮子座上升，这很有趣。
yeah well that's a good point that I'm glad you made which is that I saw come up as well and it's an important point which is that oftentimes while we're focused on singular events sometimes in this instance oftentimes around these dates there's like an unfolding of a series of events during the course of the two planets passing through the same sign together especially if one of them is retrograde and if there's like an extended retrograde going on I'll actually have a really good example of that with like Edward Snowden later but that would be a good example of that then where one of your points or one of the things we can take from that is even though there was this singular date in which they officially got together which is very close to the exact conjunction in Virgo there was a build up to that when Venus was retrograde and co-present are conjoining Jupiter by sign over the lead up to that basically right?
是的，你提到的这一点很好，我也注意到了，这是一个重要的观点。我们常常专注于单一事件，但在这种情况下，在这些日期附近，通常会有一系列事件展开，尤其是在两个行星同时经过同一星座的时候。如果其中一个行星处于逆行状态，尤其是逆行时间较长时，就更是如此。稍后我们可以用爱德华·斯诺登的例子来说明这一点，那会是一个很好的例子。你提到的一个关键点是，尽管有一个特定的日期标志着它们正式汇合，非常接近处女座的精准合相，但在此之前，还有一段过程。因为在临近时，金星是逆行的，并且在星座上与木星同在、相合，对吧？
Right exactly I guess the other thing in that is the day before I saw them they played the Reading Festival as an opening act at eleven in the morning with the Venus Retrograde and Leo Conjunct Jupiter and a year and five days later they played the Reading Festival again but this time as the headliner as like a major international rock band was exactly a year earlier they had been the opening act it really just pointed toward the sort of the meteoric rise how fast it all happened my point being they were both Venus both Venus was conjunct Jupiter in Virgo when they played Reading in 92 it wasn't long after Francis Bean was born so it also ties into there sorry I left out that part to make it relevant got it okay yeah but so to take the main takeaway from this and what I gained from this though besides the triple conjunction which is a blend of their two needle signatures was it which was incredible on the date of their marriage again we see an example where the start of their relationship itself created a foundation chart and then subsequent recurrences of the signature of the relationship chart itself end up in important turning points in the relationship in that instance the birth of their child or which you know then Harkins back to like you know Lisa emailing me on a Venus Jupiter conjunction and then that keeps recurring at important times in our relationship yeah yeah very well put
当然，我想说的是，在看到他们的前一天，他们作为早上十一点的开场表演参加了雷丁音乐节，当时正值金星逆行和狮子座木星合相。一年零五天后，他们再次参加雷丁音乐节，但这次作为压轴表演的国际知名摇滚乐队。仅仅一年之前，他们还是开场嘉宾，这突显了他们的迅速崛起，我的意思是，他们在1992年参加雷丁音乐节时，金星都是合相木星，而在那之后不久，他们的孩子弗朗西斯·比恩出生，这也是相关的一个点，对不起，我之前忽略了这一部分。好的，那么从中我得到的主要结论是，除了三重合相——一种结合了他们两人本命特征的现象——这一天也是他们结婚的日期，而当他们的关系开始时，就创建了一个基础图，之后关系图的特征在重要的转折点上反复出现，比如孩子的出生。这让我联想到，丽萨在金星木星合相时给我发邮件，而这种现象在我们关系的重要时刻不断重现。
yeah all right so let's move on to I mentioned yeah I guess I already mentioned it so we don't have to like show the charts but I was impressed by the Charlie Kirk one and the the Zorhan Zorhan Mamdani one recently were just really impressive where it's like let me see if I have those charts actually they do have those charts okay so here's Charlie Kirk who famously was born in October 14th 1993 with a Mercury at 16 Scorpio Conjunct Mars at 12 Scorpio in Pluto at 14 and he famously was known for like going around college campuses and like debating politics with a college students which was fitting in terms of that conjunction but then he was killed he was assassinated in September of 2025 and then the following month I think it was on his birthday what would have been his what 30 second birthday right Trump awarded him the presidential medal of freedom which is like the highest let me pull up the chart the highest civilian honor basically that you can receive in the United States to your 14th 2025 and my point here is that look at what was happening in the sky at that time Mercury was at 11 degrees of Scorpio Conjunct Mars at 15 Scorpio in the sky so there was like this perfect repetition of his natal Mercury Mars Conjunction happening in the sky at the time that he posthumously received the highest civilian recognition that a person in the United States could possibly receive so this is an example of what I call posthumous astrology which I want to do an episode on because I find it really fascinating but that the person a person's birth chart continues to work after they die especially at an important moment in which they come up again because the birth time is it's like a signature in time that echoes through time as long as that person's memory still lives yep it sure does
好的，那我们来继续。我提到过这个，我想是的，我已经提到过了，所以我们不需要像展示那些图表，但Charlie Kirk的例子让我印象深刻，以及最近Zorhan Mamdani的例子也非常令人印象深刻。我看看我是否真的有那些图表。好的，所以这里有Charlie Kirk，他在1993年10月14日出生，水星在天蝎座16度与火星在天蝎座12度合相，而冥王星也是在14度。他以在大学校园里与学生辩论政治而闻名，这很符合他星盘中的这个合相。但在2025年9月，他被暗杀了。然后在接下来的一个月，我想是在他的生日那天，也就是他本来32岁生日的时候，特朗普授予了他总统自由勋章，这基本上是美国公民能够获得的最高荣誉。我拉出了那个图表，可以看到当时天空中的水星在天蝎座11度，与天蝎座15度的火星合相。所以，当时他死后获得美国公民能够获得的最高荣誉时，天空中完美重现了他本命盘中的水星火星合相。这是我称之为"死后占星"的一个例子，我想做一期关于这个话题的节目，因为我觉得这非常迷人。一个人的本命盘在他们去世后仍然起作用，尤其是在他们再次被提起的重要时刻，因为出生时间就像是一段时间的签名，随着这个人的记忆仍然存在而在时间中回响。是的，确实如此。
yeah so that is fascinating and then by contrast recently this is the New York Meryl election yeah yeah which which just happened so this is and I've only read his name in print I haven't actually I don't watch the cable news I haven't heard it pronounced I think it's Zora on Mamdani right yeah so he was born October 18th 1991 so completely different year than Charlie Kirk two years earlier and he has Mercury at three degrees of Scorpio conjunct Mars at zero degrees of Scorpio so he also has a Mercury Mars conjunction although it's interesting because it's a night chart in his case whereas it's a it's a day chart in Charlie Kirk's case and he just won in the past week the New York mayor race and became the mayor of New York do you know what day that was like how long this is just like days ago basically it was Tuesday I believe okay what day is that uh this is Sunday because today's Sunday the fourth fourth okay so here's the fourth because Mars changed signs that that day on November 4th.
好的，这真是令人着迷，然后相比之下，最近是纽约市长选举，这场选举刚刚结束。我只是从印刷品上看到过他的名字，其实我不看有线电视新闻，所以没听过他的名字怎么念。我觉得应该是Zora on Mamdani，对吧？他出生于1991年10月18日，所以与Charlie Kirk的出生年份完全不同，比他早了两年。他的水星在天蝎座三度，与天蝎座零度的火星相合。所以他也有水星和火星的合相，不过很有趣的是，他的星盘是夜盘，而Charlie Kirk的是日盘。在过去的一周，他赢得了纽约市长选举，成为了纽约市长。你知道那是哪一天吗？这就是几天前的事情，对吧？我相信是星期二。今天是星期天，11月4日，所以应该是星期二，因为那天火星改了星座。
So November 4th 2025 Mars moves into zero degrees of Sagittarius and it's in this conjunction with Mercury at five degrees of Sagittarius and this is actually more important because Mercury several days later would slow down in station Retrograde which is what it's doing right now like as we're recording this on um November 9th here I'll put the chart for now this is now where Mercury's like stationing Retrograde right now at six Sagittarius and Mars is going to come up and can join it over the course of the next week but um it means that he also had this natal signature of Mercury Mars and then he just had this crucial turning point in terms of his life and career and becoming um you know the the mayor of one of the biggest cities in the United States under the same conjunction that basically replicates his birth chart and it's weird because it's almost replicating the same sequence in like angular distance with Mars natally at zero and Mercury at three and then here it's like Mars is at zero and Mercury's at five and then over the next few days it would it would close that distance.
2025年11月4日，火星进入射手座0度，并与位于射手座5度的水星形成合相。这个现象之所以格外重要，是因为几天后，水星会减速并开始逆行，这和我们现在记录这段内容的时间差不多——现在是11月9日，我将会提供当前的星盘。在射手座6度，水星正处于逆行停滞的状态，而接下来一周，火星会追上来与水星合相。对某人来说，这意味着他拥有水星和火星的出生象征，并迎来了人生和事业的关键转折点，成为美国最大城市之一的市长。而这一合相实际上再现了他的出生星盘。奇妙的是，这几乎复制了他出生时的行星角度序列：当时火星在0度，水星在3度，现在则是火星在0度，水星在5度，接下来的几天这些距离会逐渐缩小。
Okay there we go um so November 4th here it is for those watching the video version again just um Mars changes signs and moves into Sagittarius at zero Sagittarius conjoining Mercury at five but Mercury's like slowing down to station Retrograde so it's one of those instances again where one of the planets stationing really emphasizes it and raises the significance of the conjunction which is important for Mercury conjunct Mars because Mercury conjunct Mars happens pretty frequently like once a year at least um but Mercury stationing Retrograde conjunct Mars does not happen as frequently and therefore it raises the importance of this conjunction for him and therefore this conjunction which happens you know once a year let's say this is arguably and certainly going to be one of the most important of those conjunctions of his life of coinciding with like the the week he became mayor of.
好的，我们来看一下，嗯，11月4日，在这里，对于那些观看视频版本的人，再次说明一下，火星变换星座，进入射手座，位于射手座0度，并与水星在5度合相。不过，水星正减速准备逆行，因此这又是一个行星停滞的情况，尤其突显了这一点，提高了这次合相的重要性。对于水星合相火星来说，这很重要，因为水星合相火星这种情况其实挺常见，至少一年会发生一次，但水星在逆行的情况下与火星合相却不那么常见，因此这次合相的重要性提升了很多。尤其是对于他来说，这次合相可说是他一生中最重要的一次之一，因为这恰好与他成为市长的那个星期重合。
New York City yeah so I just think that's a fascinating example because it's two people from extremely different ends of the political spectrum um born two years apart but both of them with with Mercury Mars conjunctions and around the same few month time period both of them are like thrust into the spotlight and become national figures basically in the news in the in the news reporting today and I know like I don't know five or ten years from now that's not going to be as important but like right now for those of us living at this point of the time the last few months like this is a very compelling example of two people that have been plastered all over the news for months now as we've been having these successive conjunctions of Mercury and Mars these two conjunctions right next to each other due to Mercury slowing down and stationing retrograde yeah yeah all right.
纽约市，是的，我觉得这是一个很有趣的例子，因为这是两个来自政治光谱极端不同端的人，他们相隔两年出生，但两人都有水星与火星的合相，并在相同的几个月内同时被推到聚光灯下，基本上成为新闻中的全国性人物。我知道可能五到十年后这不会显得那么重要，但对于我们这些生活在这个时间点上的人来说，过去几个月，这确实是一个非常引人入胜的例子。这两个人在过去的几个月中一直是新闻的焦点，而这正值水星与火星连续合相，水星减速并逆行。这确实很有意思。
So that's an example that brings me to another example of that that I want to mention of another Mercury Mars one that's more clear and relevant and that's the birth chart of Edward Snowden we have a time chart for Edward Snowden and I've always used him as an example because yes he was born with Gemini rising and Mercury at 10 degrees of Gemini conjunct Mars at 24 degrees of Gemini so they're conjunct by sign and Mercury's like applying to that that conjunction with Mars and he was famous because in what was like 2013 2014 he was like a tech guy who worked for the US government and then he famously disclosed that the US government was spying on network communications well on American citizens and citizens and people around the world basically through monitoring of like the internet and of like phones and and basically everything through these vast networks that the public didn't know about and him like leaking that he became known as like a leaker or something that leaked something was very fitting in terms of Mercury Mars as an aspect.
所以这就是一个例子，我想借此提到另一个更清晰、更相关的例子，这也是关于水星和火星的，那就是爱德华·斯诺登的出生图。我们有斯诺登的精准出生时间图，我一直用他作为例子，因为他出生时上升星座是双子座，而水星位于双子座10度，与双子座24度的火星合相，这就是所谓的星座合相。水星正接近与火星的合相。他之所以出名，是因为他曾在2013或2014年间成为一名为美国政府工作的技术人员，然后他因揭露美国政府在通过互联网、电话等广泛网络监控美国公民和世界各地人民的通讯而闻名。通过这种泄密，他被称为“泄密者”，在水星与火星的这个相位上是非常贴切的例子。
But it turns out that what I found is that when that happened there was this series of Mercury Mars conjunctions that was happening around that time that really tied in with his story like very closely this was all happening between January and August of 2013 so let me do I'm trying to decide if I should maybe do although a by-wheel just to keep his needle chart relevant. So the point that I wanted to make with this example is that Snowden you know I was like reading up in his biography and like refreshing myself on it because it's been what like 12 years now since all of this happened but early in 2013 Snowden started getting annoyed with US government and like not liking what he was seeing and started formulating the idea of leaking things I think starting in January and February.
事实证明，我发现当时发生的一系列水星和火星相合的天象，与他的故事紧密相连。这段时间是从2013年1月到8月。因此，我在考虑是否要绘制一个双轮图，以保持他的本命盘的相关性。我通过这个例子想要说明的是，斯诺登的行为与天象有某种联系。我查阅了他的传记，并回顾了相关事件，因为自从这些事情发生已经过去了大约12年。2013年年初，斯诺登开始对美国政府感到不满，看到了一些让他不喜欢的事情，并在一月和二月期间开始构想泄密的计划。
And Mercury we can see in the transit you can see the transit's right yep okay so Mercury moved into Aquarius and joined Mars there at 19 degrees of Aquarius around January 18th January wait no I can't I can't switch it over okay well let me know yeah no all right so here's Mars at 19 degrees of Aquarius in like mid-January of 2013 and here's Mercury moving into Aquarius in the middle of that month so basically there was a succession because of retrogrades that year of Mercury Mars conjunctions that were replicating his needle Mercury Mars conjunction during the course of the year and the co-presence like kicks off in mid-January when Mercury moves into Aquarius with Mars and then the first conjunction happens exactly around here around February of 2013.
水星在凌日现象中我们可以看到它的轨迹，是的，可以看到。所以，水星大约在1月18日进入水瓶座，并在那里与在水瓶座19度的火星汇合。呃，等等，我不能切换画面，好，告诉我，是的，没问题。2013年1月中旬，火星位于水瓶座19度，而水星在同月中旬进入水瓶座。基本上，由于那年发生逆行，水星和火星的合相多次出现，这重现了他本命盘中的水星火星合相。水星在1月中旬进入水瓶座，与火星会合，这标志着这种共同存在的开始，首次合相大约在2013年2月左右准确发生。
And then Mercury and Mars continued to be co-present over the course of the next month and into March somewhere in there from what I understand Snowden made the decision to start gathering all of the data in order to leak it and he started gathering it up during the course of that spring basically sort of like covertly amassing all of this information with the future plan to like leak it to the press and then eventually um so Mercury and Mars keeps moving there's a Mercury retrograde some Mercury falls back into Pisces and then while Mars moves on and goes into Aries and then Mercury catches up with Mars again. um in the May time frame and then there's this long co-presence between Mercury and Mars in May and this is when Snowden leaks the um starts leaking the files basically to reporters and this begins the entire Snowden thing in May of 2013 and June of 2013 do you remember all that?
根据我的理解，在接下来的一个月中，水星和火星继续同时出现，然后进入三月份。大约在那个时候，斯诺登决定开始收集所有数据以便泄露。他基本上在那个春天秘密地收集了所有这些信息，计划将来把它们泄露给媒体。期间，水星和火星继续运动，水星逆行，回到了双鱼座，而火星继续前进并进入白羊座，而后水星再次赶上火星。
在五月份期间，水星和火星长时间共同出现。这时，斯诺登基本上开始将文件泄露给记者，从而开启了整个斯诺登事件，这一切发生在2013年5月和6月。你还记得这些吗？
Yep so the Mercury Mars and he's turning 30 of course in June as well right yeah so the Mercury Mars co-presences and conjunctions are coinciding with him making the decision gathering the data leaking the data and then eventually he flees and over the summer there's this long drawn out drama about um him getting like stuck in transit and like seeking asylum and um it coincides with this Mars retrograde during the course of the summer in June and June is basically when he gets stuck in like an airport for most of the summer Mercury stations retrograde here around June 26 27th and then it retrogrades back to early cancer where Mars catches up to it and moves from Gemini to Cancer July 13th then Mercury eventually stations direct while conjunct Mars in mid to late July and then eventually um by August Mercury gets into Leo and breaks the sign based co-presence with Mars completely and moves on on its own and it's in August when Russia grants him asylum and he he moves there where he's still there to this day what like 12 years later so the entire it's like this this unfolding of a sequence of events that's playing out with Mars degree-based conjunctions and sign based conjunctions over the course of like the first eight months of 2013 and it's because it's like perfectly replicating his natal um Mercury Mars conjunction of you know of leaking something or of releasing um information or secrets let's say to the press that the US government didn't want released
好的，所以水星和火星的位置，以及它们的合相，与他在某些关键时刻做出的决定是一致的，比如收集数据、泄漏数据，最终逃离。夏天的时候，这个事件发展成了一场漫长的闹剧，包括他被困在中途和寻求庇护。这件事与夏季的火星逆行相吻合。六月的时候，他基本上被困在机场。在6月26日或27日，水星开始逆行，然后逆行回到巨蟹座早期，火星在7月13日左右赶上并从双子座进入巨蟹座。到了7月中旬到下旬，水星在与火星合相的情况下恢复顺行。8月时，水星进入狮子座，并完全脱离与火星的同一星座影响，继续前进。在8月，俄罗斯给予他庇护，他移居到那里，并生活至今，大约12年后。这一切事件的发展像是遵循一系列的水星和火星的度数合相以及星座合相，从2013年最初的八个月开始，这与他本命盘中水星火星合相完美地再现。他将某些信息或秘密泄漏给新闻媒体，而这些信息是美国政府不想公开的。
yeah yeah it's well it's going to be interesting to see what Uranus and Gemini does in his life um okay yeah that's true it's also as you're in a opposition we'll see all right um so that's important though because it's kind of similar to your example right with like a retrograde where retrogrades can extend these recurrences over a much longer period of time than they would otherwise have and so that creates a unique class of things that elevates the importance yeah it really sort of draws out and extends the the experience of the recurrence
好的，这将会很有意思，看看天王星落在双子座对他的人生产生什么影响。嗯，对，这确实如此，因为在对冲的情况下，我们会看到一些现象。这很重要，因为它有点类似于你的例子，比如逆行。逆行可以将这些重现的时间跨度拉得很长，所以这种情况就创造了一种独特的事件类别，提升了它的重要性。它真的会拉长和延续这种重现的体验。
yeah um what we were saying about the the Mars retrogrades in Gemini during the Civil War in the Second World War or the you know the the whole thing with Curtin Courtney prior to them dating they're being a previous Venus Jupiter when they're just flirting during the Venus retrograde and the Venus goes direct makes another conjunction that's when they actually start dating so there's all that kind of stuff that that um yeah you know draws draws these things out and is worth focusing on right totally
好的，嗯，我们之前谈到的关于火星在双子座逆行期间发生的事情，比如在南北战争和二战期间的情况，或者是库尔特和科特尼开始约会之前的情形。之前有次金星与木星相合，那时他们只是暧昧阶段，在金星逆行期间。这段逆行结束后，金星再次顺行并相合，那时他们才真正开始约会。这些事情一旦仔细分析，真的很有意义，值得关注。
um okay so i'm trying to think of where we should go next and what we haven't covered i know you had a really good example with Venus Williams right would this be a good time to introduce that yeah let's let's let's bring in Venus Williams um okay so Venus and Serena need no introduction well they're both tennis players there's sisters and their tennis players um they're they're born just over a year apart and Venus is the older sister and Venus was already like a rising tennis champion and then Serena came on the scene at 17 and really dazzled people and um today Serena's record sort of far outshines Venus's although Venus was you know no no slatch and was very impressive
好的，嗯，我在想我们接下来应该聊什么和我们还没讨论过的内容。我知道你有一个关于维纳斯·威廉姆斯的很好例子，现在是介绍这个例子的好时机吗？好的，那我们就来说说维纳斯·威廉姆斯吧。维纳斯和塞蕾娜不需要过多介绍，她们都是网球运动员，而且是姐妹。她们的出生时间相隔一年多一点，维纳斯是姐姐。在塞蕾娜17岁首次崭露头角之前，维纳斯已经是一个冉冉升起的网球冠军了，塞蕾娜的出现让人们非常惊艳。虽然维纳斯的表现也很出色，但如今塞蕾娜的成就远远超过了她的姐姐。
um right i think i think go ahead it was there was like Venus was the older sister who they were both raised and trained together by their father and mother to play tennis and to become world champion tennis players but Venus was the older sister who was able to start competing first and then Serena was the younger sister that came up afterwards and then they started battling each other for the top spot as the top tennis player in the world and ultimately Serena kind of edged out Venus it seems like
嗯，对，我想，我想你可以继续。其实，维纳斯是姐姐，她们俩是由父母一起抚养和训练的，目标是成为世界顶级网球选手。不过维纳斯是姐姐，因此她先开始参加比赛，而塞雷娜是小妹妹，后来逐渐崛起。之后，她们开始为世界顶级网球选手的位置展开竞争，最终看来是塞雷娜略胜一筹。
yeah i'm not a i'm not a big like tennis you know follower but i am i've always been interested in their charts but um Serena i believe has something like 23 grand slam wins and grand slam meaning you win like all the major tournaments in a given year so she's done that 23 times um whereas Venus did that what like twice three five times sorry she did Venus had five grand slams and the the um i just want to double check that fifth when fifth Wimbledon singles crown and her seventh major of the singles okay um only the second time that she defeated Serena in a grand slam final so basically sorry i'm just getting lost in a bit of the tennis scores Venus is the older sister Serena is really rising up and over shadowing her but there's this one last Wimbledon final that Venus does beat Serena the fact that Serena is really ascendant and is out shining her and it's sort of it's it's the crowning glory for Venus in terms of her own record.
我不算是一个特别关注网球的人，但我对球员的成绩一直很感兴趣。比如，塞蕾娜·威廉姆斯，我记得她好像赢得了23次大满贯冠军。大满贯的意思是一年内赢得所有主要的网球锦标赛。她做到这点23次，而维纳斯·威廉姆斯完成过两到三次，哦不对，是五次大满贯。让我确认一下，她第五次拿到温布尔登单打冠军，也是她第七个单打大满贯。这也是她第二次在大满贯决赛中击败塞蕾娜。
维纳斯是姐姐，而塞蕾娜的表现蒸蒸日上，并逐渐在成绩上盖过她。不过，维纳斯在一次温布尔登决赛中击败了塞蕾娜。虽然塞蕾娜正在崛起并且光芒四射，但那次温布尔登决赛的胜利对于维纳斯来说是她职业生涯的一个巅峰时刻。
um so this is the Wimbledon game in 2008 Venus beats Serena seven to five and six to four to defender title and capture a fifth Wimbledon singles crown um it was only the second time Venus defeated Serena in a grand slam final and uh this was Venus's final final singles major so last time she played the singles major effectively the peak book end of her grand slam singles career and um what is the technical example it's a Mars Saturn conjunction? oh yes i'm sorry i didn't get it i get lost in the in the in the tennis square because i want to get the details right but the you get the idea i mean it really is like this sort of this last hara for the older sister to beat the younger sister so Venus was born with Mars Saturn conjunct in Virgo and on the day of the the game Mars was again conjunct Saturn in Virgo nice okay so i like this also because um when i was using Serena's chart in the fifth house example and i actually i was focused on Serena's chart but this is Venus's chart and um Venus has liberating Sagittarius is the third house of siblings and the ruler of the third house of siblings is Jupiter which is in the 12th house of enemies and even though they're not like enemies i think it's amazing that her sister became like her primary competition in a way.
这段文字提到2008年的温网比赛中，维纳斯·威廉姆斯以7-5和6-4战胜了她的妹妹塞蕾娜·威廉姆斯，成功卫冕，并获得她职业生涯第五个温网单打冠军。这是维纳斯第二次在大满贯决赛中击败她的妹妹，也是她职业生涯最后一次参加单打大满贯赛事，标志着她大满贯单打生涯的巅峰。
除此之外，文本还涉及到一个技术性的例子，即火星与土星的合相。维纳斯出生时，火星与土星在处女座合相，而在比赛当天，火星和土星再次在处女座合相。这种星象被联系到维纳斯在与妹妹的竞争中取得成功。
文中还提到维纳斯的星盘：其第三宫（代表兄弟姐妹）位于射手座，而兄弟姐妹宫的主星木星位于第十二宫（被视为敌人宫），尽管维纳斯和塞蕾娜并非敌人，但在某种程度上，塞蕾娜成为了她的主要竞争对手，这种情况被视为非常有趣。
and this event that you're talking about the Mars Saturn conjunction was happening at um you know four and five degrees of Virgo in the actual chart itself Mars is at two Virgo and Saturn's at four but they're conjoining her needle Jupiter which is the ruler of the third house of siblings and it's amazing that this was the you know the the tri this is her trium thing over her sister in that instance yeah but what's even funnier given what you just said three hours after they played this match they teamed up in a doubles match and won the doubles winbilt in a competition against two other tennis players so Venus beat Serena but then of course like your classic William sister situation yeah they were adversaries they fought to win they played to win and then they came together as a team and beat the the other doubles and and won that category so um yeah that also accounts for that Jupiter.
你提到的火星和土星相合的事件发生在处女座的四到五度。在星盘中，火星位于处女座二度，土星在四度，它们与她本命盘中的木星相合，而木星是掌管兄弟姐妹的第三宫的主星。有趣的是，这象征着她在那场比赛中战胜了她的姐姐。不过更有趣的是，就像你所说的，在这场比赛后的三小时，她们一起参加了一场双打比赛，并赢得了温布尔登双打的冠军，所以虽然维纳斯战胜了塞雷娜，但正如典型的威廉姆斯姐妹情形，她们在比赛中是竞争对手，全力以赴争取胜利，但随后她们携手合作，击败其他对手，赢得了双打比赛的胜利。这也能够解释木星的影响。
yeah so and it's like there's other transits going out as well it's like one of the things we the this like goes without saying but I guess it's worth saying at this point which applies to all of our examples this doesn't the the presence of the recurrence transit is obviously not the only thing going on there we can see from other transits there's other ways of approaching that this was a very important day for her it's like the sun is conjoining her mid-heaven exactly Venus is conjoining her mercury almost exactly um her she's having a needle lunar return in Leo mercuries conjoining the ruler of her ascendant almost exactly it's like she has a lot of very important transits that are going on it's just that there's this one transit that you otherwise might overlook of the fact that Mars and Saturn in the sky just happened to be repeating uh the same exact combination that they were in on the day that she was born.
是这样的，还有其他的行星过境现象发生。可以说这本来不言而喻，但在这里值得一提，这适用于我们的所有例子。出现重复行星过境现象显然不是唯一发生的事情。我们可以从其他行星过境中看到，不同的角度显示这对她是一个非常重要的日子。比如，太阳正好与她的中天合相，金星几乎精确地与她的水星合相，她正处于狮子座的月亮回归期，水星几乎与她上升星座的守护星合相。她有许多重要的行星过境现象正在发生。只不过有一个行星过境现象可能会被忽视，那就是天空中的火星和土星正好重复了她出生当天的完全相同的组合。
yep she had also she had just turned 28 and 28 is always a nodal half return which you can see there as well but yeah indeed it's the whole picture there's a lot of stuff going on at once but that recurrence is very clear and it points toward um this being a really important game for Venus you know relative to her career relative to you know even the friendly rivalry with her little sister it's it's um sort of the last great hurrah on her on her end nice that's brilliant really good example um so i i didn't originally tie these together but this is a perfect exam perfect time to bring in my one of my Jupiter Neptune examples um which is weirdly it's jaded pink it smith so let me keep will smith's wife's name out of your damn mouth no sorry yeah um yourself you're you're incorrigible uh so here is um the birth chart of jaded pink at smith and this seems like it's like a completely out of left field so i understand just stay with.
是的，她刚满28岁，而28岁通常是一个关键的节点，你可以在那也看到，但是的确，这就是整个情况，有很多事情同时发生，但这种重复性非常明显。这表明，对于维纳斯来说，这是一场非常重要的比赛，不论是对她的职业生涯还是她和妹妹之间的友好竞争。这可以说是她的最后一个辉煌时刻。真是个绝妙的例子，所以我最初并没有把这些关联在一起，但这是引入我其中一个木星海王星例子的完美时机。奇怪的是，这个例子是关于贾达·萍克·史密斯的，让我把威尔·史密斯妻子的名字从你嘴里拿出来，对不起，你真是不可救药。那么，这里是贾达·萍克·史密斯的出生星盘，这似乎是个完全出乎意料的话题，但请继续关注。
me for a few moments and we'll see i'll bring this around so um um this is jaded pink at smith she was born september 18th 1971 at 12 38 pm in Baltimore Maryland with three degrees of Sagittarius rising so her ascendance at three degrees of Sagittarius and she has Jupiter conjunct Neptune like very close to the ascendant that was rising over the eastern horizon at the moment that she was born with Jupiter at zero degrees of Sagittarius and Neptune at zero degrees of Sagittarius in fact you know Neptune is at zero 40 degrees of Sagittarius and Jupiter is at zero 58 so they're extremely extremely close conjunction at the moment of her birth but also rising over the eastern horizon on the ascendant at that moment.
请给我一点时间，我们来看看。我会把这件事讲清楚。嗯嗯，这是关于贾达·萍克·史密斯的信息。她于1971年9月18日下午12点38分出生在马里兰州巴尔的摩。她的上升星座是射手座3度（Sagittarius rising），她的命盘中木星与海王星非常接近地合相在她的上升星座上。当她出生时，这两个行星正在东部地平线上升。具体来说，木星在射手座0度，海王星在射手座0度40分，木星在射手座0度58分。所以，它们在她出生的那一刻是极其接近的合相，并同时上升在她的上升星座上。
so weirdly i noticed this weird repetition that happened in her life just a few years ago during what is probably one of the more notable things that has happened in her life which is that a few years ago um will smith did a movie where he played the father who trained Venus and serena williams and then he won an Oscar for that role but that night at the Oscars famously um the host who's the comedian Chris rock came out and he made a joke about Will Smith's wife and her hair that she had a shaved head and he made a joke about jada pink at smith and that night there was a very close Jupiter Neptune conjunction that was happening in the sky that was replicating jada pink at smith's needle Jupiter Neptune conjunction.
真奇怪，我注意到在她生活中发生的一个奇怪重复。几年前，在她生命中发生的一件大事中，这个重复又出现了。几年前，威尔·史密斯主演了一部电影，饰演培养网球选手维纳斯和塞蕾娜·威廉姆斯的父亲，并凭此角色获得了奥斯卡奖。但在那晚的奥斯卡颁奖典礼上，主持人、喜剧演员克里斯·洛克出来开了个玩笑，提到了威尔·史密斯的妻子，关于她剃光的头发。他针对贾达·萍克特·史密斯开了个玩笑。那晚，天上正好有一个非常接近的木星和海王星合相，而这与贾达·萍克特·史密斯本命盘中的木星和海王星合相相呼应了。
and at first it seemed like when Chris rock made the joke Will Smith was laughing but then the camera cuts away and it cuts back and suddenly he's going up on the stage uh people speculate after looking at his wife who was offended by the joke and he goes up on the stage and he hits he slaps Chris rock and then it creates this entire fire storm and this entire really difficult moment after he assaults Chris rock because then later that night Will Smith goes on to win the Oscar but he gets up and he accepts the award but he cries he's like in tears because he realizes that he's kind of like ruined the moment in some ways it was like otherwise a high point of his career but um it kind of gets marred by by having just like assaulted this comedian basically um in what he says is partially like defensive his wife.
最初，当克里斯·洛克开玩笑时，威尔·史密斯看起来是在笑，但镜头切换之后再回来，他突然走上了舞台。人们猜测他在看到妻子对这个笑话感到不悦后，才决定上台。他上台后打了克里斯·洛克一巴掌，这引发了一场轩然大波和一个非常困难的时刻。因为就在那天晚上，威尔·史密斯赢得了奥斯卡奖。他上台领奖时流下了眼泪，因为他意识到自己在某种程度上破坏了这个本来是他事业巅峰的时刻。实际上，这个时刻因为他打了这个喜剧演员而蒙上了阴影，而他解释说部分原因是为了保护妻子。
so there's obviously like a lot of different things going on with that story but for some reason it was it also became a very important turning point for jada pink at smith because then a lot of the like commentary and stuff was about their relationship and um whether whether they were dysfunctional and all these other things and um I thought it was very interesting that for some reason it was partially like a replication for her of that Jupiter Neptune conjunction yeah very much if I'm not mistaken the hair situation it's not that her head is shaved she has a condition right alopee share or something like like the hair I don't know too much about it but my understanding it's it's a medical condition it isn't merely that she chose to cut her hair short and that was part of the sensitivity.
显然，这个故事中有很多不同的事情发生，但由于某种原因，这对贾达·萍克·史密斯来说也成为了一个非常重要的转折点。因为之后很多评论和讨论都围绕他们的关系展开，讨论他们是否存在功能失调的问题等等。我觉得很有趣的是，这在某种程度上对她来说是木星和海王星合相的重演。如果我没记错的话，她的头发情况不是因为她把头剃光了，而是因为她有一种叫做“脱发”的病症。我对此了解不多，但据我所知，这是一种医学状况，而不仅仅是她选择把头发剪短，这也是其中敏感话题的一部分。
right that's actually I'm glad you said that that's really good point because that actually probably maybe that ties in the needle component for her where it's like a Jupiter Neptune conjunction on the degree of her ascendant and the ascendant to the first house can sometimes relate to a person's body and physical appearance so maybe that's part of why this was somehow relevant for her here's the let me put the actual transit chart up and make sure you can see it where that night it was um March 27th 2022 Jupiter was at 20 degrees of Pisces conjunct Neptune at 23 degrees of Pisces and those conjunctions don't happen very often at all right uh no no no um every 14 years yeah so um yeah no it's it's it's it's a brilliant example and yeah it's it's very much like that's how it all came about it wasn't you know it's it's one thing if you make fun of someone's haircut the haircut will grow back but it was more sort of you know but what effect what it was effectively body shaming I guess but um yeah crazy night at the Oscars right well and it was like that was you know part of their defense is as they said like that they tried to say that it was due to her sensitivity or body shaming and will not wanting her to feel that way and then they tried to claim also that Chris Rock had been maybe harassing her for years but then it's like but then also everyone was like but you don't assault a comedian for a joke and that's there's there's no like good defense of that basically is where uh I think most people came came down in the end and the other thing we learned is that Chris Rock's last name is very well earned because he just stood there like a rock and took it.
好的，让我试着翻译并简化一下这段话：
“对，我很高兴你提到这一点，这确实是个很好的观点，因为这可能和她的一个关键特质相关。就像是她的上升星座上有一个木星和海王星的合相，而上升星座和第一宫有时能反映一个人的身体和外貌，所以这可能是为什么这对她来说很重要。我来展示一下当天的星象图，让你可以看到。在2022年3月27日那晚，木星位于双鱼座20度，与位于双鱼座23度的海王星相合，而这样的合相并不常见，每14年出现一次。这个例子真的很出色，那晚的奥斯卡真是疯狂，他们的辩护之一是说这是因为她对身体羞辱很敏感，不希望她有这样的感觉，他们还声称克里斯·洛克可能已经骚扰她很多年了。但是，大家都认为不能因为一个玩笑就攻击一位喜剧演员，这种行为没有好的辩护理由。在这个事件中，我们还了解到克里斯·洛克的姓氏真是名副其实，因为他就像一块石头一样站在那里承受了一切。”
so yeah Chris Rock indeed yeah he did um show remarkable restraint and yeah so anyways um that is a weird one that ties in because of course he was he then went one the Oscar for the movie with Venus and Serena Williams and I think they were actually there at the time or they were watching or something so there's a lot of weird tension and everything else um very very excellent segue though Chris very thank you yeah thank you yeah well that's why we didn't really finalize our list for sequence of things but I thought we would find it as we went by finding the examples that are like appropriate as we go yep all right largely we'll see we'll see how it goes what the rest is.
好的，所以，是的，克里斯·洛克确实表现出了非凡的克制。嗯，话说回来，这件事确实有些奇怪，因为他后来凭借与维纳斯和塞雷娜·威廉姆斯有关的电影赢得了奥斯卡，我想她们当时可能就在现场或者正在观看。所以整个情况有很多奇怪的紧张和其他因素。不过，克里斯，这个过渡非常巧妙，非常感谢你。是的，谢谢你。这就是为什么我们还没有最终确定事情的顺序，但我认为我们可以在过程中找到合适的例子，然后慢慢确定顺序。好的，大体上，我们会看看接下来的情况如何。
um smallly working what kind of example do we need that we haven't filled in yet I have a I guess I have a quick one um with Amelia Earhart this one is cool because I found I was looking I've looked at her chart for a long time but I was looking at it recently for the Fifth House example because she has this Mars Jupiter conjunction just Taurus rising and Mars conjunct Jupiter and Virgo in the Fifth Hall sign house and I was kind of associating that with um the Fifth House is where you have fun and you find pleasure in things and I think Mars conjunct Jupiter is partially enjoying being adventurous and like risk taking and things like that and Amelia Earhart famously was a woman like very early in the history of aviation that was like setting records for flights at different points like early in the history of aviation but.
我们还需要哪些例子还没有填入的？我想到一个快速的例子，就是阿梅莉亚·埃尔哈特。这个例子很有趣，因为我关注她的星盘很久了，最近我在寻找第五宫的例子时又看了一下她的星盘。她的星盘中，火星与木星在处女座合相，而金牛座在上升。这种火星和木星合相的位置出现在第五宫，这让我联想到第五宫是人们寻找乐趣和快乐的地方。我觉得火星与木星合相部分上代表着享受冒险和冒险精神。阿梅莉亚·埃尔哈特在航空历史的早期以一名女性的身份而闻名，她不断打破飞行记录，展现了冒险和挑战极限的精神。
what I found is that when she got her pilots license um there was a Mars Jupiter conjunction happening in the sky that was replicating her natal Mars Jupiter conjunction that's amazing pretty good yeah yeah um and then do you remember what I'm trying to remember all like the the records and stuff that she said oh I mean there's there's a whole uh litany of I mean when you you know she died trying to circumnavigate the globe but there were a bunch bunch of achievements I have a book on her somewhere I can look um well here's the transits just to like confirm roughly my um argument so here's the Mars at 23 degrees of Libra conjunct Jupiter at um 15 degrees of of Libra so it's like coming off of that conjunction um that would have been forming then and would have gone exact as she's like building up to and training and getting ready to like to do this major thing to get her flight license um but I just loved seeing the repetition of that then at such a crucial moment where she gets that.
我发现，当她获得飞行员执照时，天空中正好发生了一次火星和木星的合相，这与她的本命图中的火星和木星合相相呼应，这真的很了不起。嗯嗯，然后你还记得她说过的那些纪录和成就吗？哦，我是说有很多，实际上，她是尝试环球飞行时去世的，但在此之前她取得了很多成就。我手边还有一本关于她的书，可以找来看。嗯，这是过境图，用来大致确认我的观点。在天秤座23度有火星，与天秤座15度的木星相合，就是说在她准备、训练、并努力去获得飞行执照时，这个合相正在形成，并最终达到精确合相。我就是很喜欢在这个关键时刻看到这种重复。
license and then she immediately like starts starts using it in really impressive ways yeah all right so that was a good one um moving on other examples an adjacent one actually if we so we just did Mars Jupiter and adjacent one is one you found which is Richard Nixon oh yeah yeah another Mars Jupiter so this is a good one because um it shows a really important point just technically that I meant to mention which is the sign boundaries so Nixon was born January I'll let you take the example I just want to make the point that he was born January 9th 1913 Mars is at 29 degrees as Sagittarius and Jupiter is at one degree of Capricorn so there's a sign boundary there but they're just like two degrees apart and in the sky those two planets would be almost literally right on top of each other regardless of the sign boundary and I found a number of examples where even if they're in different signs if they're still relatively close especially depending on what planets we're talking about the alignment is still true because functionally like in the sky those two planets are right next to each other as stars um even if it's across a sign boundary.
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她拿到驾照后，立刻就能以非常令人印象深刻的方式使用它。好的，这个例子不错。接下来我们来看其他例子。其实有一个相关的例子，如果我们刚刚讲的是火星和木星的话，那么一个相关的例子就是你发现的理查德·尼克松。哦对，还有一个火星木星的例子。这个例子很好，因为它展示了一个我想提到的重要技术点，那就是星座边界的问题。尼克松于1913年1月9日出生，火星位于射手座29度，木星则在摩羯座1度。因此，这里存在一个星座边界，但这两个星体只有不到两度的距离。所以在天空中，这两颗星体几乎是处于同一位置，不管星座边界在哪里。我还发现了一些例子，即使它们分别位于不同的星座内，如果它们仍然相对接近，特别是根据我们讨论的是什么行星，排列依然成立。因为在功能上，就像夜空中的星星，即使跨越星座边界，那两个星体依然紧挨着。
so I did want to state that and make that clear where I'm both frameworks matter like there's an iql framework and the sign-based co-presence is matter then we've seen several instances of the conjunctions being an effect for the entirety of the sign-based conjunction or co-presence even when one planets very early in the sign and when plans very late but the degree-based alignments also matter with you know like some standard orbs of like let's say like seven degrees or something like that give or take um still matter across sign boundaries as well and this instance you're about to show a very great example of it as a Mars Jupiter conjunction in the birth chart of Richard Nixon yeah yeah we'll have another one soon with Michael Jackson and his Jupiter Neptune and adjacent signs but yeah it's a very close Mars Jupiter despite the fact that the you know that there are different signs and when Nixon was elected president in November of 1968 there was a Mars Jupiter conjunction happening in Virgo.
我想说明并明确指出，在占星学中，两种框架都很重要：一种是基于星座的框架，另一种是基于度数的框架。我们观察到，星座内的合相或共存关系有时会在其中一个行星刚进入星座而另一个行星即将离开星座时仍然有效。同时，度数上的排列也是重要的，比如常用的标准误差范围是大约7度左右，这种误差范围在跨星座的情况下也有效。在这方面，我即将展示一个很好的例子，即理查德·尼克松出生图中的火星与木星的合相。尽管这两个行星处于不同的星座中，但它们依然形成了一个非常接近的合相。另外，我们很快就会看到另一个类似的例子，即迈克尔·杰克逊的木星与海王星在邻近星座中的情况。而在1968年11月尼克松当选总统时，处女座中正好也有一个火星与木星的合相。
in Nixon's first house um so so this was November 6th 1968 I believe so is that what's on the note here here it is so I've met the transit chart up as long as you can see it yeah so we see yeah that's incredible so it's to the degree Mars is at 28 degrees of Virgo conjunct Jupiter at 28 degrees of Virgo so the day he was elected was an exact conjunction of those planets yeah that's that's repeating a natal recurrence of a natal conjunction that's only literally like two degrees away with Mars at 29 and Jupiter at one Capricorn exactly yeah and this was a comeback for him you know he had he had lost the the election to John F Kennedy eight years earlier so there is an element of like you know rising back up it's it's Pluto along with Mars and Jupiter in the in that recurrence and so there's you know that's coming into play right and he thought he was finished after losing to Kennedy in the 1960 election right yeah he absolutely thought well he ran for governor in 62 and lost and that's when he told the press they wouldn't have Nixon to kick around him or he thought he was finished um or at least he gave people the impression he was finished some people thought he never thought he was finished um but yeah it's it's it's it's um so there is this element of like coming back from nothing coming back from losing and it's a Mars it's a Mars Jupiter conjunction.
在尼克松的第一任期中，也就是1968年11月6日。我相信这就是便签上的内容。在这里我有一张天象图，你可以看到火星位于处女座28度，与木星形成合相。就在尼克松当选总统的那天，这两个行星形成了精确的合相。这种现象实际上是他本命盘中合相的再现，与出生时火星29度、木星1度（摩羯座）相距仅两度。对于他来说，这次当选意味着一次东山再起。八年前，他在总统选举中输给了约翰·F·肯尼迪。然而，如今，冥王星与火星和木星一同影响着这一现象。尼克松曾在1960年大选失败后，以为自己的政治生涯结束了。他在1962年竞选加州州长也失败了，当时他曾对媒体表示，他们不能再围着他转了。外界认为他想给人一种他已经放弃的印象，但也有人从未相信他放弃了。不过，这次确实有一种从失败中重生的感觉，就像火星和木星的合相一样。
The transit is Mars Jupiter with Pluto whereas in his natal chart he is Mars Jupiter opposite Pluto so you're there's even there's this extension of you know Pluto does find its way you know I know we're only talking about conjunctions in this podcast but you see this happens sometimes too um where yeah you know a triple planet combination will be a conjunction of two opposite a third and then something like this those those same three planets come together and and so it's there's an exception that like this is a good exact or good excuse for that digression briefly yeah it's not you pay attention to when there's an alignment of like let's say a conjunction that sometimes that conjunctions and oppositions can be relevant as well right oh yeah absolutely absolutely there's some other good ones like Frida Kahlo's death chart and things like that different combinations of two planets can junct opposite another one that's opposite and then you could on a transit chart you might have you know those same three planets but the ones can junct where it was opposite in the nativity and vice versa um so yeah this is an injury tart her injury chart as well you sing that is like she she's born with a Mars Uranus conjunction very close that's the one I met thank you yeah so she's born with a Mars Uranus conjunction in her sixth house natally and then the day of her terrible bus accident that altered her life uh was a Mars Uranus opposition correct yeah thank you okay so the principle to extrapolate the principle really even though we're artificially limiting it and maybe in some sense like hobbling the technique in order to make it more compelling for the purpose of this but the more advanced levels of the technique as you could take it to when a person has an atle signature in the chart of let's say a conjunction then the recurrence of not just that conjunction between those two planets but also sometimes oppositions between those two planets can be important as well absolutely absolutely you see that a lot um you know like for instance right now Saturn's making conjunction to Neptune but I'm having clients who were born in 1980 who have Saturn square Neptune and you can see how the upcoming Saturn Neptune conjunction still like lights up their natal square because there is a relationship between those two planets there are a lot of different variants on what you can do with this so yeah I thought it was worth pointing out since Pluto this is a reasonably simple one nonetheless remind me to do by the next next then because we'll that'll that'll be the one example where we'll demonstrate what you're talking about of other aspects besides the conjunction sounds good.
在这段文本中，我们讨论了行星的相位，特别是谈到了火星、木星与冥王星的过境情况。在某人的本命盘中，火星、木星与冥王星呈对冲关系，而在过境图中，这些行星会呈现与本命盘中相反的组合。这种情况展示了行星怎样在不同的时间相互影响。尽管我们在这个播客中主要讨论的是合相，但有时合相与对冲一样重要。
类似地，以弗里达·卡罗的例子来说，她天生就有火星与天王星合相，这种合相在她本命盘中的第六宫。而在她经历那场改变人生的公交车事故当天，天上形成了火星与天王星的对冲关系。这表明不仅仅是相同行星的合相会产生影响，它们的对冲也同样重要。
进一步说明，当一个人的本命盘中有某种行星合相时，此类行星的对冲也会变得重要。比如，现在土星与海王星合相，而那些出生于1980年的人可能会在他们的本命盘中看到土星与海王星的刑相。即使现在天上的土星与海王星合相，仍然会激活他们的本命刑相，因为这两颗行星之间有一种特殊的关系。
文本还指出，除了合相，这种技术可以解释很多不同的行星组合方式。希望在下次播客中，我们可以展示一些除了合相以外的其他相位示例。
Okay so yeah Nixon was born with Mars conjunct Jupiter opposite Pluto and when he's elected all three of those planets are conjunct in his first house got it so that was not the only Mars Jupiter conjunction that was important for him though right right there's another one that happens in 1973 April 6 1973 there's a conjunction in Aquarius and this is the day that his attorney John Dean who has been sort of doing all the dirty work behind the scenes with Watergate on Nixon's behalf uh John Dean starts cooperating with the Watergate um investigators because there's an investigation going on and this began scandal has broken out and it's been going on for how long now the Watergate break in was about nine months before this and the burglars have already been to trial and been convicted and then one of the burglars has told the judge that they um um uh uh what's the word when you lie in court they perjured.
好的，所以尼克松出生时，火星与木星合相，并且与冥王星相对。当他当选时，这三颗行星都在他的第一宫合相。这并不是唯一一次对他重要的火星木星合相。对，还有一次发生在1973年4月6日，那天在水瓶座有一次合相。正是在这一天，他的律师约翰·迪恩开始配合水门事件的调查人员。因为当时有一项调查正在进行，这起丑闻已经爆发并持续了一段时间。水门事件的入侵大概是在九个月前发生的，那些窃贼已经被审判并判有罪，其中一个窃贼告诉法官他们在法庭上作了伪证。
Them say he they perjured themselves by covering up you know the real reasons for the breakup and right as that's happening um John Dean who's who really was sort of like a major player in this whole cover up until up until this point um he starts cooperating with the investigators which is the beginning of the cracks happening in in you know Nixon's own staff and within a couple of weeks Dean and two of of Nixon's closest aides will all be fired and the beginning of like the really unraveling you can say like this moment when Dean is on April 6th when this recurrence happens the Mars Jupiter this is the first thread being pulled that's going to tear apart the the uh Nixon administration over Watergate this is the first thing that goes wrong um that that really is going lead to Nixon being hurt.
他们说他作伪证，掩盖了分手的真正原因。就在这件事发生时，约翰·迪恩（John Dean），一个在整个掩盖事件中扮演重要角色的人，开始与调查人员合作。这标志着尼克松团队内部开始出现裂痕。几周内，迪恩和尼克松的两位亲密助手都被解雇了。这可以说是整个事件开始逐渐瓦解的时刻。特别是在4月6号，当迪恩采取行动时，这成为了拉开水门事件中尼克松政府崩溃的第一根线。这是导致尼克松最终受损的第一个关键问题。
Dean was giving testimony on television so it's like Nixon is protected in many ways even though this whole thing has become a firestorm but all of a sudden on this conjunction his lawyer flips on him and this is the beginning of the end of Nixon's presidency in really tangible ways it's interesting that this Mars Jupiter conjunction at seven degrees of a quarry is that's exact this day takes place in his sixth house and it's like somebody that worked for him it's people that worked for him his lawyer that flips on him and that's the beginning of the end yeah his lawyer flips on him and then he like the the two guys his literal his two right hand men Erlichman and and uh Haldeman uh he has to fire them too so he's really like he's like this leads to him having none of the people he's been trusting you know um and confiding in up until this point they're suddenly they're gone.
迪恩在电视上作证，所以仿佛尼克松在许多方面都得到了保护，尽管整个事情已经变成了一场风暴。然而，突然间，他的律师背叛了他，这标志着尼克松总统职位实质性结束的开始。有趣的是，这天正好有一个火星和木星在水瓶座7度的合相，发生在他的第六宫，就像有些为他工作的人——他的律师背叛了他，这就是终结的开始。对，他的律师背叛了他，然后尼克松还有两个靠右手的心腹助手厄尔里克曼和霍尔德曼，他也不得不开除他们。所以他真的很像是失去了所有一直以来信任和倾诉的人，他们突然都不在了。
So you know everyone else is sort more to more um more remote to him and and you know he does he's he's suddenly without his sort of his security team the people who've kept him safe so that really does bring up something we're seeing over and over again but it's worth just mentioning for a moment that the house that the recurrence takes place in often seems to play a major component in describing the the quality and the nature of the event that occurs at the recurrence and it's you it should be obvious it's pretty straightforward because those two planets are transiting that house in the person's chart at that time so of course they're going to be bringing up in his instance like six house topics of those that work for you um but it's worth stating as an additional interpretive principle for how you interpret these things yeah yeah so this is the beginning of the end and then eventually Nixon ends up having to resign and be the first president in history to to resign as president and in disgrace for watergate and this was the turning point.
所以，你知道其他人对于他来说都变得相对更疏远了。你也知道，他突然之间没有了保护他的安全团队，这些一直让他感到安全的人。这确实引出了一个我们反复看到的主题，值得稍微提一下，就是发生重现的那座房子常常在描述事件的性质和质量上起着重要作用。这应该是显而易见的，因为那时两颗行星正在穿行于他个人星盘中的那座房子。因此，这在他的例子中就带出了第六宫与工作相关的话题。不过，值得指出的是，这可以作为解析这些事情的一个附加解析原则。
是的，这标志着结束的开始，最终尼克松不得不辞职，成为历史上第一个因水门事件而耻辱辞职的总统，这是一个转折点。
Yeah yeah nice all right well those are two amazing literally Mars Jupiter conjunction and you have literally the day of Nixon's becoming president basically at least winning the election and then you have the day that he would start his downfall to lose the presidency in some ways that's right brilliant all right good example thank you so Biden Biden thank you for reminding me okay so here's the birth chart of Joe Biden and he was famously born on November 2nd 1942 November 20th November 20th 1942 at 8 30 am in Scranton, Pennsylvania with Sagittarius rising and he has this Saturn Neptune conjunction on the descendant with Uranus Saturn Uranus Saturn man so I'm starting to get tired and my mind starting to know where it's so he has Uranus at two degrees of Gemini and Saturn at nine degrees of Gemini conjunct the descendant at around let's say three degrees of Gemini so Saturn Neptune conjunctions in his seventh house and you had noticed a major recurrence transit that happened in the late 1980s when he ran for president and Saturn and Neptune conjoined in the sky right Saturn Uranus Saturn Uranus Saturn I'm talking about Saturn Neptune I have to yeah Saturn Neptune is very I'll let you take I'll let you take the example from here okay I'll try not to say Saturn Neptune so yeah Joe so Saturn Uranus conjunctions only happen every 44 years or so so there's one in 1942 43 went and and Biden's born at the end of 42 and then the next conjunction happens in 1987 to early 88 and during that period in 87 88 there's basically I mean two things go terribly wrong in Biden's life.
好的，这段英文讲述了两个行星相合的事件，其中特别提到火星与木星相合。这种天象与尼克松当选总统和后来他的政治生涯开始下滑的日子相吻合。接着，分析了乔·拜登的出生星盘，他在1942年11月20日上午8点30分出生于宾夕法尼亚州斯克兰顿。他的上升星座是射手座，土星和海王星在其第七宫合相，而天王星位于双子座，与土星和他的后天宫相接近。
接下来的信息中提到了一次重要的行星相合天象，该天象在1980年代末的拜登第一次竞选总统期间再次出现。他的星盘中的土星与天王星合相每44年左右发生一次，1942至1943年和1987至1988年分别是这两个天象周期。尤其在1987至1988年，拜登的人生中发生了两件非常棘手的事情。
He announced his candidacy for the presidency in June of 87 so by this point he'd been a congressman first you know starting in 72 and now he was a senator and he wanted to run for president so he announces his candidacy in June of 87 and he's already having the Saturn Uranus recurrence Saturn and Uranus are about eight degrees apart seven eight degrees apart at this point but about two weeks two sorry three months into his campaign in September of 87 on September 1737 Biden is forced to admit that he plagiarized some of his work when he was in loss school and this within a few days this is a big scandal he has to withdraw his bid for president and this probably means that poor Joe Biden will never get to be president he's missed his chance and he'll never get another one I'm kidding of course but then after this something else terrible happens he is diagnosed with having an aneurysm and he undergoes two surgeries in early 1988 while the conjunction is still happening one in February of 1988 and the next in May of 1988 so yeah you know that's that's sort of the the extent that sorry the second one is like May 4th 88 if you're looking for an exact date yeah just so much you know yeah it's amazing that this one's happening and it's like first house and as rising signs it's like so yeah prominent but this is literally the next Saturn Uranus conjunction after his birth like that's right you know 40 years early over 40 years earlier and he has it and he runs for president but he fails he has to pull out of the race and then he like immediately has an aneurysm and like a major medical issue at the same time.
他在87年6月宣布竞选总统，到那时为止，他自72年起先是国会议员，现在是参议员，并希望竞选总统。因此，他在87年6月宣布参选。这时，他的土星和天王星重合了，土星和天王星相隔大约七八度。但在他的竞选活动开始约三个月后的87年9月，他在9月17号被迫承认他在法学院时剽窃过一些作品。这在几天内演变成一场大丑闻，他不得不退出总统竞选。这可能意味着可怜的乔·拜登将永远无法成为总统，他错过了他的机会，再也不会有机会了。当然，我是在开玩笑。但之后又发生了另一件可怕的事情，他被诊断出患有动脉瘤，并在1988年初进行了两次手术，当时土星和天王星仍在重合。第一次是1988年2月，第二次是1988年5月4日。所以你知道的，就那么多事情。真令人惊讶，这个土星与天王星的重合发生在他的第一宫和上升星座时是如此显著。这是自他出生以来第一次经历土星与天王星的结合，而这发生在40多年后。他竞选总统却失败了，不得不退出竞选，紧接着他就出现了动脉瘤等重大健康问题。
Yeah yeah it probably what it hurt is helped his political career if he had the aneurysm before the plagiarism was discovered but either way it ruined his shot at the presidency right so then so you were talking about the example and then when I was thinking about it it immediately made me remember what happened when he did first get into office though which is famously what was the night of the presidential on the night of the US presidential election in 2008 when Joe Biden was elected vice president and Barack Obama was elected as president there was famously an exact Saturn Uranus opposition at the time do I have the date there 2008 do you know the date um so it'll be it'll be the fourth it's a Tuesday you know yes November 4th okay so here's the chart so look at this Saturn that day and November 5th 2008 was at 19 degrees of Virgo and it's opposite to Uranus at 18 degrees of Virgo so they actually right on his mid heaven right on his mid heaven I see too that's angular right yeah because his mid heavens at 19 degrees of Virgo so this is that principle we were talking you were talking about earlier where sometimes if a person is born with a natal conjunction in this instance he has Saturn and Uranus conjunct in his birth chart it's not just the conjunctions that are important to recurrences like that one in 1988 was 87 was a conjunction his rising sign but it's also the oppositions in this instance literally like the date within 24 hours of him becoming vice president there's a Saturn Uranus opposition exactly on his MCIC axis.
是的，是的，如果动脉瘤是在被发现抄袭之前发生的，可能反而对他的政治生涯有所帮助，但无论如何，这确实毁了他竞选总统的机会。然后，你提到了一些例子，我立刻想起了他第一次上任时发生的事情，也就是2008年美国总统大选之夜，当时乔·拜登被选为副总统，巴拉克·奥巴马被选为总统。当时正好出现了土星与天王星的精确对冲。日期是2008年的第一次周二，嗯，就是11月4日。你看这张星盘，那天，即2008年11月5日，土星在处女座19度，与天王星在处女座18度形成对冲，它们正好落在他的中天（MC）上，我也看到这是一个角点，因为他的中天在处女座19度。我们之前讨论的原理就是，有时候一个人出生时星盘上有某些合相，例如在他的本命盘中，土星和天王星是合相的，不仅合相重要，有时对冲也是如此。就像1988年发生的合相靠近他的上升星座，而且在他成为副总统不到24小时内，土星与天王星正好在他的MCIC轴线上形成对冲。
Yeah yeah yeah that's how it works I remember that at the time because it was such a um a moment of having Saturn opposite Uranus in this sudden like break from the past with Obama being elected and um yeah I always associated. with that Saturn Uranus opposition as being the main aspect of that day but it's fascinating that part of that was replicating Biden's own Saturn Uranus conjunction yeah totally and then you know of course that Uranus in Pisces as we know at inauguration two months later Venus would be conjunct that Uranus and you know someone opposite that Saturn still so that's also you know pulling into the reference we made earlier talking about making good segways and so far as the Venus Uranus at Obama Biden's inauguration in 2009 being a sort of a counterpoint to Trump in 2025 with his Venus Saturn but indeed in 2009 it's Venus Uranus basically opposite Saturn so that really reinforces that mirror of the the 2024 25 result as well.
这就是这样的，我记得当时因为这是一个重要的时刻，土星对冲天王星，这就像是对过去的一种突然突破，而奥巴马获选就是这种突破的表现。我一直把这和那次的土星天王星对冲联系在一起，因为那是那天的主要影响。不过有趣的是，那次事件在某种程度上也重复了拜登自己的土星天王星合相。然后当然我们知道，在两个月后的就职典礼上，天王星位于双鱼座，而金星会与那个天王星合相，同时仍然对冲土星，这也反映了我们之前谈到的关于如何做出好的过渡的观点。2009年奥巴马和拜登的就职典礼上，金星天王星的合相可以被看作是2025年特朗普与其金星土星的一个对比点。实际上，2009年是金星天王星与土星基本上处于对冲位置，这也从另一方面强化了2024、2025年结果的这种镜像关系。
Well and look at his needle Venus it's at like 28 so it's actually applying to an opposition with Uranus pretty closely so that's almost in a way another example of that where he's born at the needle Venus Uranus opposition and then there's a Venus Uranus conjunction when he is inaugurated vice president yeah and that is not the end of his story because of course then we jump forward to January 20th 2001 which is inauguration day and this is the day that Biden is inaugurated president and on this day Saturn is at three degrees of Aquarius in the sky and it's applying to a square with Uranus at six degrees of Taurus in the sky so there's a very very close Saturn Uranus square the moment he actually becomes president so that's just absolutely uncanny so he has just to summarize he was born on a Saturn Uranus conjunction he ran for president and had to drop out on a Saturn Uranus conjunction he is elected vice president on a Saturn Uranus opposition and then he becomes president on a Saturn Uranus square yeah and you know in 2024 there was no Saturn Uranus configuration going on so it didn't work out.
好，让我们看看他的本命金星，它大约在 28 度，所以实际上它非常接近对冲天王星。这几乎是另一种例子，因为他出生时就有一个本命金星与天王星的对冲，而当他就任副总统时，又出现了金星与天王星的合相。而这还不是故事的结尾，因为我们接着跳跃到2001年1月20日，也就是总统就职日。这一天，拜登宣誓就任总统，当时天空中的土星在水瓶座3度，并且正在与天空中金牛座6度的天王星形成一个非常接近的四分相。因此，他实际上成为总统的那一刻，正处于一个非常紧密的土星天王星四分相，这实在是太不可思议了。总结一下，他出生时有土星天王星合相，竞选总统但不得不退出时也是处于土星天王星合相，当选副总统时则是在一个土星天王星对冲，而成为总统时则是在一个土星天王星的四分相。而且在2024年，没有土星与天王星的配置，因此事情没有如愿。
Yeah so it's like well I mean that's actually a whole interesting thing on itself because it was the Saturn Saturn empaisies stations in his fourth actually ended up being really important for that but so this is our one more or less example of this because I was worried about the technique getting muddied and I deliberately restricted us to conjunctions but the more advanced form of the technique can actually work like this where you know the needle signature in the chart can set up a signature for all sorts of recurrences of other aspects between those two planets as being important at critical turning points in the life and you know at some point we'll have to do a follow-up on that where we go deeper or we can do a workshop on that or something to go into the more advanced application of the technique but this is just to give people like a taste of that that's right yeah there's all kinds of fantastic examples with other aspects that we could have included and maybe we will in another in a follow-up.
好的，这其实是一个非常有趣的话题，因为土星在他的第四宫的位置最后变得非常重要。这是我们用来说明这个技法的一个例子，因为我担心一些技法会变得模糊，所以故意将范围限制在合相上。不过，这种技法的高级形式其实可以这样运作：在星盘上针状星的特征可以为这两颗行星之间其他多个相位的反复出现设定一种特征，并在生活中的关键转折点显得重要。我们可能需要在某个时间对这个话题做进一步的探讨，或者可以办一个研讨会，深入探讨技法的高级应用。这只是为了给大家一个初步的了解。确实，还有其他相位的精彩例子本可以纳入讨论，也许在后续的探讨中我们会纳入更多。
Yeah let us know in the YouTube comments if you'd like to see us do a follow-up on the more advanced things and we'll we'll see what people think if they want want that and then maybe we'll do a follow-up oh you got to want this people no one else has given it to you all right I want to take another break okay if you're really looking to deepen your studies of astrology the no I'd recommend signing up for my Hellenistic astrology course which is an online course in ancient astrology where I take people from basic concepts up through intermediate and advanced techniques for reading birth charts there's over a hundred hours of video lectures plus monthly webinars and Q&A sessions and then at the end of the course you get a certificate of completion saying that you studied with me if you pass the final written test find out more information at the astrologyschool.com.
在YouTube评论中告诉我们是否希望我们做一个关于更高级内容的后续视频，我们会看看大家的反馈，也许我们会做一个后续视频。你们一定要期待这个内容，因为其他地方没有人会提供这样的东西。好了，我想稍事休息。如果你真的希望深入学习占星学，我建议你报名参加我的希腊占星课程。这是一个在线古代占星课程，我会带领大家从基础概念到中级和高级技巧，学习如何解读出生图。课程包含100多个小时的视频讲座，还有每月的网络研讨会和问答环节。课程结束后，如果你通过了最终的书面测试，你将获得一份结业证书，证明你跟我学习过。想了解更多信息，请访问theastrologyschool.com。
All right we're back from break and this is going a little bit longer than I expected as usual like anytime I say something it's going to be a little bit it's called the Brennan constant I think is what what Austin called it after I last forecast is if I say it's going to be two hours there's some equation that projects it out to be like three or four but this feels really good it's a Fibonacci it's a Fibonacci exponential kind of yeah right there's like a diagram of like my head and like a golden ratio being projected projected from it that's like some chisel chisel in an ancient stone somewhere so this is good though this feels like important like life's work contribution type thing that we're we're doing right now and like introducing this to everybody and trying to lay a solid foundation for this technique to grow and flourish after this point so I'm willing to do the do what it takes to to make this good and and I think anybody who sticks with us and watches this it's sort of like a self filtering mechanism.
好，我们回到休息后的部分了，这次的进度比我预期的要长一些，虽然每次我这么说的时候，事情总是会拖得更久。Austin说这是“布伦南常数”，意思是如果我说需要两个小时，最终可能会有个公式把它延长到三四个小时。不过这次感觉特别好，有点像斐波那契数列那种指数增长，对吧，仿佛在我脑海中投射出一个黄金比例的图像，就像古老石头上凿出的图案。这次讨论很有价值，感觉像是我们在做一项对人生有贡献的工作，我们现在正在为大家介绍这个内容，并试图为这项技术的未来发展奠定坚实的基础。所以我愿意付出努力来确保它的质量。我相信任何坚持看下去的人都在自我选择留下。
It's like those who are meant to like get this information will receive it and those who you know don't want to sit for for a few hours to hear a workshop on like the one of the most amazing techniques ever that you've never heard of will not receive that information and that's it Tom Pete all right so one of the examples I want to get into is a really good one that you found that's an impressive new development of the technique that I thought was cool is the Beatles example of a Saturn Uranus conjunction yeah I mean two of the Beatles Paul McCartney and George Harrison born right around the same time as Joe Biden Paul is a few months older than Joe and George is a few months younger than Joe but they're both born with that same Saturn Uranus and Gemini.
就像那些注定要获取这条信息的人会接收到它，而那些不愿意花几个小时去听一个关于令人惊叹的技术工作坊的人则不会得到这些信息。好吧，Tom Pete，我想谈到的一个很好的例子，是你发现的关于这一技术的令人印象深刻的新发展。我觉得很酷的一个例子就是披头士的土星与天王星合相。嗯，披头士乐队中的两个成员，保罗·麦卡特尼和乔治·哈里森，与乔·拜登几乎在同一时间出生。保罗比乔大几个月，乔治比乔小几个月，但他们都在双子座时诞生时处于相同的土星与天王星合相。
There's further setup because the the full setup is like all four of the Beatles have a Saturn Neptune conjunction by co-presence Saturn Uranus oh my god um sorry my when I started getting tired like my it's part of the long COVID I do that yeah yeah I'm just telling the audience that that's part of the thing I struggle with is my mental facilities start fading um so all right let me let me focus this because I want to be really clear on this exam because it's so good all four of the Beatles functionally were born on a Saturn Uranus conjunction in the 1940s and two of them were born with the Saturn Uranus conjunction very close in their birth charts but by sign all four of the Beatles have a Saturn Uranus conjunction and the example is that in the 19 just like Joe Biden you said because they were born with the same Saturn Uranus conjunction as Joe Biden in the 1980s when all four of them had their first Saturn Uranus conjunction return they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame correct.
在这个例子中，还有更多的背景需要解释，因为完整的背景就像披头士乐队的四名成员都拥有一个土星和天王星合相的情况。抱歉，当我开始感到疲惫时，我的大脑功能会开始减退，这是长时间受到新冠影响的结果。我只是想告诉大家，这是我目前遇到的困难之一。所以让我集中注意力，因为我想把这个例子讲清楚，因为它实在是太有趣了。
披头士乐队的四名成员实际上都出生在20世纪40年代一个土星和天王星合相的时间段。其中两名成员的出生图中土星和天王星的合相非常接近，而在星座上，这四名成员都有这种合相。像乔·拜登一样，他们出生时的星盘中也有相同的土星天王星合相。到了1980年代，当他们首次经历土星和天王星合相回归时，他们就入选了摇滚名人堂。
The Beatles were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in January of 1988 when there was a Saturn Uranus conjunction in the sky um by this point of course John Lennon had been dead for over seven years Ringo and John were born with Saturn and Uranus co-present in Taurus they they have more like the Jupiter Saturn you know the Zadaiical conjunction with Uranus co-present in Taurus but Paul McCartney and George Hathon let me show them so who's the first who's the first one who's the first sign based one to start with who did you just mention Ringo just start with Ringo and then John okay so for those watching the video version here's the birth chart of Ringo star who was born with Saturn at 12 degrees of Taurus and Uranus at 24 degrees of Taurus in the third whole sign house and you know that's not I mean I know you're you're more focused on two of them in particular who come into conflict during the the recurrence but that's that's a you know so pretty close conjunction to me of Saturn at 12 and Uranus at 24 it's certainly a co-presence by sign.
披头士（The Beatles）于1988年1月被引入摇滚名人堂，当时天空中正在发生土星和天王星的合相。当然，到那时约翰·列侬（John Lennon）已经去世七年多了。林戈·斯塔尔（Ringo Starr）和约翰·列侬在出生时土星和天王星同时出现在金牛座。他们的情况更像是在木星和土星的黄道合相中，天王星同时出现在金牛座。但保罗·麦卡特尼（Paul McCartney）和乔治·哈里森（George Harrison）将我们引向其他方面。那么谁是第一个基于星座来开始的呢？你刚提到谁？从林戈开始，再接着是约翰。对于观看视频的人来说，这里是林戈·斯塔尔的出生星图，他出生时土星位于金牛座12度，天王星位于金牛座24度，在第三整宫。尽管你可能更多关注在某种重现中发生冲突的其中两位，但对我来说，土星在12度和天王星在24度之间的合相已经非常接近，至少在星座上是共存的。
Yeah I mean I certainly agree and think about it these are the Beatles the Beatles um sort of that they're central to the 1960s culturally um but the period of 1965 to 66 when Saturn and Uranus were opposite um was a real sort of like um that that's a period where the Beatles really sort of shot ahead in terms of their use of uh you know recording technology and innovation when they stopped touring and became a studio band um and also and also when yeah like a generation generation defining talent and like a in a shift in terms of music and ushering in that like era of rock and roll yeah I mean literally changing the culture with every little you know uh uh thing they did you know George Harrison picks up a sitar out of curiosity and suddenly sitars are you know a thing in western music and uh a lot of things like that so yeah really just having there being in the middle of the whole culture um uh you know spurt and and everything that's happening in in that period right.
是的，我完全同意，而且想想看，这是披头士乐队。披头士在文化上可以说是20世纪60年代的核心。但在1965到1966年间，当土星和天王星相对时，正是披头士乐队在录音技术和创新方面真正大放异彩的时期。他们停止巡演，转而成为一个录音室乐队。而且，他们成为了定义一代的天才，带来了音乐的变革，引领了摇滚乐的新时代。可以说，他们每做的一件小事都在改变文化，比如乔治·哈里森出于好奇拿起了西塔琴，结果西塔琴在西方音乐中流行起来。类似这样的事情很多。因此，他们确实处于整个文化爆发和那个时代一切事件的中心。
So this is Ringo born July 7th 1940 with Saturn at 12 tourists and Uranus at 22 tourists and then the next one is Lenin John Lenin yeah okay. so this is John Lenin born October 9th 1940 with Saturn at 13 tourists and Uranus at 25 tourists again still very co-present and if you looked at them up in the sky those two planets at night would be well you could see Saturn Uranus can only be seen under certain conditions but nonetheless they would be like right next to each other yeah all right so that's Lenin and then the other two are um here's George Harrison who was born February 24th 1943 with Saturn at 5 Gemini and Uranus at 0 Gemini so that's a much closer conjunction we've now changed signs but it's even closer in degree and then finally the fourth beetle is Imann in Paul McCartney who was born July 18th 1942 with Saturn at 5 degrees of Gemini and Uranus at 1 degree of Gemini so all of them have this this Saturn Uranus conjunction and then I just think what is the date of their induction into the rock and roll hall of fame uh January sorry I don't have the let me go to the document uh beetles there it is January 20th 1988 that's it.
好的，这里是翻译和解释：
所以这是林戈，他于1940年7月7日出生，当时土星位于金牛座12度，天王星位于金牛座22度。下一个是列侬，约翰·列侬，是的，好的。这是约翰·列侬，他于1940年10月9日出生，当时土星位于金牛座13度，天王星位于金牛座25度。同样，这两颗行星的位置非常接近，如果你晚上在天空中观察它们，你会看到土星，而天王星只能在特定条件下看到，但无论如何，它们看起来几乎是紧挨着的。好吧，那就是列侬。
然后另外两个成员是乔治·哈里森，他于1943年2月24日出生，当时土星位于双子座5度，天王星位于双子座0度，所以这是一个更紧密的合相，我们甚至换了星座，但度数上更接近。最后第四位披头士成员是保罗·麦卡特尼，他于1942年7月18日出生，当时土星位于双子座5度，天王星位于双子座1度。他们所有人都有这个土星和天王星的合相。
然后我想知道他们入选摇滚名人堂的日期，是1988年1月20日。
So I'm gonna share it as a as a transit chart and we see Saturn at 27 degrees of Sagittarius and Uranus at 28 degrees of Sagittarius so like some of our earlier examples of like faster moving inner planets this is something all four of them sharing common and then it's like very closely exact at this when they're inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame which is like one of those you know obviously they didn't need it or like um they already had made a huge impact and whatever but still for many bands this is like a singular thing when you're like inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame and it's a real like landmark moment typically in like uh let's say a musician's career.
所以我会把它作为一个过境图表来分享，我们可以看到土星在射手座27度，天王星在射手座28度。这就像我们之前的一些例子中提到的快速移动的内行星一样，这也是四个星体共有的特点。在他们被引入摇滚名人堂的那一刻，这个行星的位置几乎非常接近。显然，他们并不需要这个荣誉，因为他们已经产生了巨大的影响力等等，但对于许多乐队来说，这仍然是一个独特的时刻。当你被引入摇滚名人堂时，这通常是音乐人生涯中的一个重要里程碑。
It is now this was the third annual rock and roll hall of fame I mean it was still a fairly new thing yeah um you know they inducted Elvis or whoever in the first one Bill Haley in the comments and probably Buddy Holly and and uh little Richard you know by the second or third uh but yeah with the third it's the beetles are being inducted and of course John Lennon is dead by this point but only two of the beetles arrive on this evening uh George Ringo and Yoko Ono come to the rock and roll hall of fame but Paul McCartney doesn't attend which is very um you know there were some legal uh battles still going on between the different beetles and Paul didn't feel like going up and and making a fake play of them being um you know friendly at a time when they weren't and there were all kinds of ironies in this.
这已经是第三届年度摇滚名人堂了，可以说它还是一个相对较新的活动。在第一届中，他们入选了像猫王这样的音乐人，还有比尔·哈利与彗星乐队，可能还有巴迪·霍利和小理查德。在第二或第三届时，披头士乐队被选入，当然，此时约翰·列侬已经去世。当天晚上，只有两位披头士成员到场——乔治、林戈以及约翰·列侬的遗孀小野洋子参加了典礼，但保罗·麦卡特尼没有出席。原因是当时披头士成员之间还有一些法律纠纷，保罗不愿去参加并假装他们之间的关系很好，因为事实并非如此。这里面充满了各种讽刺意味。
Um George Harrison enthusiastically participated uh he had a new album out the in the in the past year um called cloud nine and he was really sort of George Harrison usually was the beetle who issued the the beetles in his post beetle life he didn't really like to talk about them or didn't he didn't have the same kind of um Rosie you know uh Rose colored view of the beetle years that the other guys did and uh but for the rock and roll hall of fame thing he was very present and a real sort of participant and happy and and what have you were his Paul who usually was the one who was uh more keen to like put on a happy front even if things weren't entirely happy behind the scenes and who was always enthusiastic about the beetles and their legacy he was the one who um didn't feel right about participating for you know a variety of of interpersonal reasons at the time.
乔治·哈里森非常积极地参与了活动。他在去年推出了一张新专辑，名叫《Cloud Nine》。通常来说，乔治·哈里森是那个在披头士解散后不太愿意提起他们的人。他不太喜欢谈论披头士时代，也不像其他成员那样对那个时期怀有美好的回忆。但在摇滚名人堂的活动上，他非常出席并积极参与，看起来非常高兴。而保罗通常是那个即便幕后事情不如意也愿意表现出快乐态度的人，他一直对披头士及其遗产充满热情。不过那次由于各种人际原因，他觉得不适合参与。
So there's even kind of like a role reversal between George and Paul when they're both having this I mean I mean to some extent they're all having the recurrence transit like you say but since Paul and George are the beetles who have them zedically very close in the conjunction the it really sort of sparks that the um you know the hard feelings between the two of them I guess right so this is because especially because the legal issue where they were um Paul McCartney was in a legal battle with the others that this was like the worst their relationship was post right the break the breakup of the beetles anytime after and then even up till now because they would eventually patch things up yeah yeah um when the beetles broke up in 1970 they were you know really mad at each other Paul sued the other guys but eventually they worked it out by 1973-74 they were all friends.
可以说，当乔治和保罗都经历这一阶段时，他们的关系出现了一种角色逆转。虽然如你所说，他们都正在经历这种变化，但由于保罗和乔治的星座排列在某一段时间非常接近，导致两人之间的矛盾变得尤为明显。尤其是在法律问题上，保罗·麦卡特尼正在与其他成员打法律官司，这使得他们的关系在披头士解散后变得尤其糟糕。1970年披头士乐队解散时，他们彼此非常愤怒，保罗甚至起诉了其他成员。但最终，到1973-74年，他们还是恢复了友谊，一切得以解决。
Um they had signed a legal document to end their partnership so they weren't locked up that way and they became friends for a while you know they didn't need to worry about being in a band together but uh they were friendly for a bit but then things did go a little select John Lennon of course was murdered in 1980 and then in the 80s there were some residual or new sort of legal issues that they were battling over um Yoko no of course was now in charge of John Lennon's estate and that made things complicated and so yeah so this this very specific period 1987-88 is the one period apart from when the beetles actually broke up and you know freshly were mad at each other this is the one time like the hardest that the darkest it got between them the the roughest the their their relationship was in in what were generally you know good host beetle years right it's interesting just you even just all of them having saturday naptune or saturday nearness as a signature and just the instability of the group and the fact that their breakup would be such a their eventual breakup and demise would itself be such a legendary part of their entire story because the beetles weren't actually together or famous for like a very long amount of time when you added up right.
他们签署了一份法律文件来结束合作关系，这样他们在这方面就不再有牵绊。他们成为了朋友一段时间，你知道的，他们不再需要担心继续在一个乐队里共事。但是，之后情况有些变化。约翰·列侬在1980年被谋杀了，然后在80年代，他们之间又出现了一些遗留的或新的法律问题。约翰·列侬的遗产由小野洋子打理，这让情况变得复杂。因此，在1987至1988年这个特定时期，除了当年披头士解散后他们刚刚生彼此的气之外，这应该算是他们关系最紧张、最黑暗的时期。这段时期是他们关系最艰难的时刻，虽然总体来说，那些年是披头士解散后相对不错的日子。这是比较有趣的一点，就是他们都有类似的标志性特点，比如`周六懒散`或`周六接近`这样的特征，而乐队的不稳定性以及分手的过程本身就成为了他们整个故事中一个具有传奇色彩的部分。毕竟，披头士乐队真正活跃或大红大紫的时间其实并不算特别长。
Yeah I mean they they they were incredibly prolific and productive so it makes it seem like it was epic length but from the first recording session to the last it's um it's eight years you know uh love me do recorded in september of 1962 and abbey road finishes recording in august of um uh 69 sorry seven years not not eight seven years um from beginning to be beginning think of every single beetle song you've ever heard or beetles recording and it was recorded in this very short seven year period of time these days some bands take longer than seven years to release uh a follow up album so it was really you know they did a lot in that short period of time um yeah that's crazy I mean it just speaks to the um the because they also during that time went through a lot of different like phases and like eras and constantly reinventing themselves and like pushing the limits or pushing the edge I'm thinking about the nature of saturday conjunct conjunct ureness but then also the inherent instability of that is that it's something that's hard to to hold together with saturday ureness and all so prominent in all of their charts.
是啊，我的意思是，他们真的非常高产和多产，所以让人觉得他们的音乐历程非常辉煌。实际上，从他们第一次录音到最后一次，只用了八年。比如，《Love Me Do》是在1962年9月录制的，而《Abbey Road》是1969年8月完成的，所以准确来说是七年而不是八年。想想所有你听过的披头士的歌曲或录音，这些作品都在这短短的七年里完成。如今，有些乐队甚至需要超过七年来发布一张新专辑。所以，他们在那段短暂的时间内完成了大量工作。这真的很不可思议，我想这也说明了他们在这段时间里经历了各种不同的阶段和时代，不断地自我创新和突破极限。我想到土星的相合特性，但是也注意到了这种性质本身的不稳定性，因为这种土星特质在他们的星座图上都非常明显。
Yeah well I mean what's funny is during the beetle years the four of them were like always together um and so when they did break up it really was like like if you've ever had a romantic partner that you were just with constantly and then there's a breakup it's like like it goes from intense closeness to intense separation um but there was a lot about them that was saturday ureness you know they were um counter cultural and challenging the status quo but to like real culture counter culture types they seemed to kind of safe and manufactured you know they were they were always sort of like a polar opposite to whoever um was was looking at them you know to to rebellious for the real straight arrows and to straight for the really rebellious people in a way um and of course I just want to just little things you know imagine imagine you get a new haircut and then the rest of the world wants to have your haircut.
嗯，是这样的，有趣的是，在甲壳虫乐队的那些年里，他们四个人总是形影不离。所以当他们解散时，那种感觉就像：如果你曾经有个总是陪伴在身边的恋人，然后突然分手了，那种从极度亲密一下子变成极度疏远的感觉。他们身上有很多东西是令人愉悦的，他们是反文化的，挑战现状的。但是对真正的反文化类型的人来说，他们又好像显得有点安全和做作。对于那些看他们表演的人来说，他们总是处于一种对立的状态：对传统保守的人来说，他们太叛逆，而对真正叛逆的人来说，他们又显得过于传统。还有件小事，就是想象一下，你剪了一个新发型，然后全世界的人都想要跟你剪一样的发型。
Yeah well that's what I'm thinking in terms of like the saturday net saturday ureness conjunction and just being trendsetters and setting the standard for like an entire generation and for an entire genre of like rock music. I mean you looking at this conjunction and then starting the rock and roll hall of fame and then having you know two other years of inductees first but then like you know as soon as they could basically inducting the beetles into that as such um genre defining and and the reason that there probably even was a rock and roll hall of fame to begin with in some sense um inducting them into that at that time. There's something about that that's really striking to me yeah yeah it's it's a really curious year to choose them no doubt and um yeah just the way it all played out you know like like with George like I said George being really uh involved and and keen and Paul being reluctant and and a bit sour it was kind of like they were taking on each other's role in that bit.
这段文字表达了作者对一些音乐事件的看法，以下是翻译：
"嗯，我所想的是关于星期六，那个星期六的独特结合，以及如何成为潮流引领者，为整个一代人和一种摇滚乐类型设定标准。我是说，当你观察这种结合，然后创建摇滚名人堂，并且首先有两年的其他入选者，但然后几乎在他们可以的情况下立刻让披头士入选，就像是这样的，这种现象确实定义了一个流派，并且在某种意义上可能也是为什么会有摇滚名人堂的原因之一。在那个时候让他们入选，这让我感到非常震撼。是的，选择那一年来入选他们确实很有趣，你看，这一切的发展过程，比如乔治，我说过乔治非常投入和热衷，而保罗却显得犹豫和有些不满，就像他们在这个过程中交换了角色一样。"
Yeah all right I think that's good why don't we move on um let me hit some do we go do we go to Michael after we've been talking about Paul is that another segue going to the guy who own their music at one point oh right yeah I actually tried looking up that incident um to see if that was around the same time but it wasn't um let's do Michael because then that'll go along well with the other one I found which is Madonna okay yeah what so time there we don't have a confirmed time for Michael Jackson I think we have to state from the outside right well I mean we do use I haven't looked at it yeah what we do Iaral pull it up when he died his nephew did say he spoke to Michael's mom and they got um the birth time and it is um 7.33 pm with a Pisces rising Pisces moon but wasn't there is 7.33 pm 7.33 pm there was there was another chart um quoted by Basil Farrington for 11.53 pm that gave him Gemini rising right that was the one I was just showing so I just I just I just remember there was something in the Astro data bank notes about the Pisces chart that's still expressed a doubt of skepticism about the yeah yeah I'm I'm not gonna swear by anything I mean I don't I wouldn't find it hard to believe he was Pisces rising but yeah it was it was when he died what I think his nephew went on Twitter or something like that as my as I read right well let's just say for the sake of this um I don't know because I haven't I've looked it up a research in a long time so I don't know.
好的，我觉得这样挺好，我们继续吧。嗯，让我看看，在我们刚刚讨论过保罗之后，我们是不是该去谈谈迈克尔？这是另一个转折点，我们聊起了曾经拥有他们音乐版权的人。哦，对，我其实尝试查了一下那件事，看是不是发生在同一时间，但并不是。我们来说说迈克尔吧，因为这会和我找的另一个人很好地衔接，那就是麦当娜。
关于迈克尔·杰克逊，我们没有一个确切的时间。我觉得我们需要一开始就说明这一点，对吧？嗯，我是说，我们确实在用，不过我没去核实过。我们会查的。根据他去世时，他的侄子说他和迈克尔的妈妈谈过，他们得到的出生时间是晚上7:33，双鱼座上升，双鱼座月亮。但是，有另一份由Basil Farrington提到的星盘，时间是晚上11:53，显示的是双子座上升。这就是我刚才在展示的那一个。所以，我只是记得在星相数据库的备注中关于双鱼座星盘仍有一些怀疑的记录。对，我也不敢肯定。我不会觉得很难相信他是双鱼座上升，但那是在他去世时。我记得好像他侄子在推特上说过这样的话。
嗯，为了讨论这个话题，就说到这里吧，我不确定，因为我没有查很长时间了，所以我也不确定。
Okay we don't I mean again we don't have to swear by it you know yeah no I mean that's what I'm saying it's just for our purpose it's not relevant because we're just looking at his Jupiter Neptune conjunction where in his birth chart Jupiter was at 28 degrees of Libra and Neptune was at two degrees of Scorpio so in the sky they were very close together even though it's across a sign boundary yeah yeah and definitely you know this the Michael Jackson example is also kind of a nice companion to the Steve Jobs one because it's another one of these examples where we look at the the regular Jupiter Neptune conjunctions every single one that Michael lived through and much like Steve Jobs with Jupiter Uranus for Michael Jupiter Neptune the the conjunctions sort of make these chapters of a book that you could you know if you wrote a book about Michael's life you could start the the sections at the different Jupiter Neptune transits and it would kind of make sense.
好的，我们不一定要对此深信不疑。我的意思是，这只是为了我们的目的，因为我们主要关注他出生图中木星与海王星的合相。当时木星位于天秤座28度，而海王星位于天蝎座2度，所以它们在天空中非常接近，尽管跨越了星座边界。是的，确实如此。迈克尔·杰克逊的例子也与史蒂夫·乔布斯的例子相辅相成，因为这又是一个例子，我们可以看到木星与海王星的合相对迈克尔的一生的影响，就像木星天王星之于乔布斯一样。这些合相之时就像是书中的章节。如果你要为迈克尔的一生写书，可以根据不同的木星与海王星合相期来开始各个章节，这会很有道理。
So the first one obviously he's born yeah he's born in 1958 and that's the conjunction and then the first transity has is in 1971 in 1971 Jupiter and Neptune come together in a conjunction in Sagittarius and you know the while there there there are a few things that that happened the family moves to California for instance things like that but the main thing for Michael just the one takeaway is that it's in 1971 that he makes his first solo TV appearance and his and records his first solo single and so it's the beginning of course Michael Jackson is eventually going to be a solo artist the Jackson five and and later the Jackson's these are you know this is the group with his brother that helps him rise to start him but ultimately he's going to be just too big a star to be you know tied down to his brothers and that starts to that solo artist career starts in 1971 first he's on a Diana Ross TV special and he sings a song without his brothers being you know on stage or what have you and then later that year he releases his first solo single a song called got to be there in October of 71 so here's the chart for that on October 7th 1971 Neptune's at one degree of Sagittarius and Jupiter's at two degrees of Sagittarius right and like I said there yeah there've been a lot of things in his life this year that are that signify that Jupiter Neptune but certainly breaking out as a solo artist is the most the single most important one so because that's one of the things about once you start getting into the slower moving out or.
所以，首先，他显然出生了，他出生于1958年。那时有个重要的星相，然后他第一次遇到这种星象是在1971年。在1971年，木星和海王星在射手座相合。家人搬到了加利福尼亚，这些都是小事，但对于迈克尔来说，最重要的是他在1971年首次以个人身份在电视上亮相，并录制了他的第一支个人单曲。这是他作为独立艺人的开端。当然，迈克尔·杰克逊最终会成为一名独立艺人。杰克逊五人组及其后来的杰克逊乐队与他的兄弟们一起帮助他成名，但最终他将成为一个大到不能被兄弟们束缚的巨星，而独立艺人之路始于1971年。首先，他在戴安娜·罗斯的电视特别节目中登台，独自演唱，无需兄弟们。他在那年晚些时候发行了他的第一首个人单曲，这首歌曲名为《Got to Be There》，在1971年10月发行。这一天，也就是1971年10月7日，海王星位于射手座1度，木星位于射手座2度。正如我所说，他今年生活中发生了很多事情，这些都和木星海王星有关，但以独立艺人出道是最重要的一个标志。这就是当你开始研究那些运行缓慢的行星时所发现的事情之一。
Planet ones is conjunctions like this you know are sometimes in effect for like a year but certainly this one's very close by degree at the time when he records his first single yeah exactly he releases it. So then jumping ahead to January 27th 1984 on this day Jupiter was conjunct Neptune at the beginning of Capricorn. They had just been conjunct, Jupiter's just passed Neptune and Capricorn. It was on January 27th 84 that Michael was burned badly because of an accident that happened when he was taping a Pepsi commercial. His hair caught fire and because of this accident he wound up taking painkillers and basically beginning his, you know, that the drug problem that would ultimately contribute to his passing in 2009. He'd been very strictly anti-drug up until this point but hey, as one does when you're a burn victim, you want painkillers and one thing led to another and what were the degrees again the internet cut out oh Neptune was at zero Capricorn and Jupiter was at one Capricorn okay very close nice.
行星之间的这种合相有时候可以持续大约一年。确实，当他录制他的第一支单曲时，这个合相在度数上非常接近。跳到1984年1月27日，木星在摩羯座开始时与海王星合相，并且刚刚越过。就在1984年1月27日这一天，迈克尔在录制百事可乐广告时发生了意外，严重烧伤。他的头发着火了，因此，他开始服用止痛药。这次事故也开启了他的药物问题，最终导致2009年的去世。在此之前，他一直非常反对使用药物。但你知道的，当遭遇烧伤时，人们需要止痛药，一事导致另一事。再次确认，海王星位于摩羯座零度，而木星在摩羯座一度，非常接近。
Yeah okay next so then we jump ahead another 13 years to 1997 on February 13th 1997 117 am in Los Angeles a baby nor named prince Michael Jackson the first was born. This was Michael Jackson's first of three children that he had with Debbie Rowe his second wife and it was sort of announced very suddenly. Now Neptune and Jupiter were in different signs but they had Jupiter's on the day the kids born Jupiter is at five Aquarius and Neptune's at 28 Capricorn but this was all done you know with a lot of secrecy and the yeah you know the conjunction would have been within a few weeks before the birth and it was one of these things like no one knew a baby was coming until like the thing actually happened. Was this his first child yeah his first child okay got it yeah all right next and then there's just one more is is the fact that 13 years after this in 2009 Michael Jackson was declared dead on the 25th of June 2009 at 2.26 pm in Los Angeles and Jupiter and Neptune were conjunct at 26 Aquarius like exactly conjunct yeah both of them at 26 Aquarius that's crazy yeah.
好的，接下来我们跳到13年后的1997年。1997年2月13日凌晨1:17，在洛杉矶一个名叫普林斯·迈克尔·杰克逊一世的婴儿出生。他是迈克尔·杰克逊与他的第二任妻子黛比·罗所生的第一个孩子，这个消息公布得很突然。当时海王星和木星在不同的星座，不过在孩子出生当天，木星位于水瓶座5度，而海王星在摩羯座28度。这一切都在高度保密的情况下进行，大家在孩子出生前几周几乎都不知道孩子即将降生。所以答案是，这是他的第一个孩子吗？对，这是他的第一个孩子。好的，继续。然后还有一件事情，就是13年后，也就是2009年，迈克尔·杰克逊被宣布去世，时间是2009年6月25日下午2:26，地点在洛杉矶。当时木星和海王星在水瓶座26度完全合相，这个巧合真是令人惊讶。
Yeah he really is like just Jupiter Neptune again much like Steve Jobs where it's so like you we've almost just told the story of his life in a fairly complete way. I mean okay we didn't talk about thriller or this or that but a lot of those big markers you can really see how they just sort of outline the contours of his timeline sure yeah. I mean especially the accident under the Jupiter Neptune conjunction in 84 that led him to start having to take painkillers and then the recurrence in 2009 of that exact conjunction in his death and the fact that he died partially through complications through some of the drugs that he was taking right yeah yeah well he was he was using the same drug that surgeons use you know to invest the size people for surgery. He was using that like as a sleeping aid which is insane it's interesting when he died Pluto was at one degree of Capricorn which is where that Jupiter Neptune conjunction had been when he got burned so there's you know little things like that you can look at as well.
是的，他真的就像木星和海王星再次重合一样，非常类似于史蒂夫·乔布斯。我们几乎只是比较完整地讲述了他的生活故事。我的意思是，好吧，我们没有谈到《Thriller》或其他细节，但很多重要的标志，你确实可以看出它们在某种程度上勾勒出了他的生活轨迹。尤其是在1984年木星与海王星相合时发生的事故，这导致他开始必须服用止痛药；2009年相同的天象再现，他去世的事实，以及他部分因服用药物而导致的并发症死亡。是的，他当时使用了一种外科医生用来麻醉的药物作为安眠药，这是非常疯狂的。有趣的是，他去世时冥王星位于摩羯座一度，这正是他烧伤时木星和海王星合相的位置，所以你也可以从这些小细节中看到一些关联。
But yeah it basically Michael before the burning accident never would have used a drug to help him sleep or anything like that but then after the accident and the painkillers it just you know he starts to and of course he's trying to keep up with being Michael Jackson so he starts to use things to help him sleep to help him be awake the old Elvis you know strategy. Okay yeah that's really striking and yeah that he just he dies from a freak sort of like medical accident through overdosing basically on drugs and painkillers. Yeah yeah I noticed recently that they just dropped the first trailer for that like new biopic that they're releasing of him which is interesting so there's going to be a new surgeons about his life so to be interesting to see how that goes and yeah how they cover everything.
是的，在那次烧伤事故发生前，迈克尔从来不会用药物帮助自己入睡或其他类似的东西。但事故后，他开始使用止痛药，然后慢慢地开始依赖这些东西。他努力维持住“迈克尔·杰克逊”的形象，因此开始用药物帮助自己入睡和保持清醒，有点像当年猫王使用的策略。他的去世实际上就是因为服用过量的药物和止痛药，算是一种意外的医疗事故。最近，我注意到他们刚刚发布了他的新传记片的第一支预告片，这很有趣。可能会重新引发人们对他生活的关注，也很期待看看他们是如何讲述他的故事的。
Yeah yeah so in adjacent one because Michael Jackson was born August 29th 1958 and Madonna weirdly was born very close to him right yeah 12 13 days earlier Madonna I think 13 days earlier because Madonna is 10 years minus two days older than me yeah there she is and it's funny and then Prince is born like a few months before Madonna you know so like all those the three biggest pop stars of the eighties were all born in that summer of 58 with that Jupiter Neptune.
是的，是的，事情是这样的，因为迈克尔·杰克逊出生于1958年8月29日，而奇怪的是，麦当娜的生日离他非常近——对，早了12或13天。我想是早了13天，因为麦当娜比我年长10年又少两天。对，就是这样。而且有趣的是，王子（Prince）比麦当娜早出生几个月。所以，八十年代最受欢迎的三位流行明星都在1958年夏天出生，那时正好是木星和海王星的交汇期。
Yeah exactly that's what I was thinking so Madonna has Jupiter 26 Libra conjunct Neptune at two degrees of Scorpio and there were two main ones that I found about Madonna that I thought were really impressive how her life was tied into these Jupiter Neptune conjunctions. There's basically three or four of them but the first one is that there was a series of conjunctions in 1984 and that was when she first became a big hit and released her first big album that made her like a worldwide sensation basically at that time right yeah yeah that was when like a virgin came out and the very first MTV video awards.
对，正是我在想的。麦当娜在天秤座26度有木星，与天蝎座2度的海王星相合。我发现了两个关于麦当娜的主要相位，觉得非常令人印象深刻，她的生活与这些木星海王星的合相紧密相连。基本上有三个或四个这样的合相，第一个是在1984年，那时正是她第一次大红大紫，推出了让她成为全球瞩目焦点的首张大专辑。是的，那时候《Like a Virgin》发行了，还有第一次MTV音乐录像带大奖。
In September of 84 was when she was rolling around on the stage in a wedding dress and everyone was very shocked and yeah that was that was a now to sign Jupiter Neptune conjunction Neptune at the first MTV video awards in September of 84 Neptune was at 28 sages in Jupiter at three Capricorn so yeah very much all the the the whole like a virgin ascendancy to start him because it did she did she became famous pretty pretty fast with that one when was that first MTV video words the the first the first MTV video awards were September 14th 1984 and it was like the shocking thing that she's wearing a wedding dress and singing the song in a wedding dress and then rolling around on the floor in the wedding dress the 80s I got to tell you man of like you know I was edgy edgy at the time right no I mean not because I was I was 16 when this is coming out and I'm thinking you know the 1970s were just a few years ago why is this freaking people out but for some reason it was right well yeah and so I was I used to a chart was and maybe it was like one of the houses episodes but I thought it was really interesting how this one of the things she got a lot of flack for earlier in her career was the use of some like religious imagery or the perception of of doing things that was like blasphemy or or things like that are being accused of and there's some debate about her time I use this a Virgo rising chart where it has Mars in her 9th house in a day chart and I think it's it's really solid but back to your point here at the MTV Music Awards we see Jupiter at three degrees of Capricorn can jump Neptune at 28 degrees of Capricorn so it's a really interesting replication of her Nadel you know Jupiter at 26 Libra and Neptune at two degrees of Scorpio and that entire year basically is the year that Madonna blows up and becomes Madonna.
1984年9月，当她穿着婚纱在舞台上滚来滚去时，所有人都感到非常震惊。那正好是木星和海王星合相的时刻。第一次MTV音乐录像大奖在1984年9月举行，海王星位于射手座28度，而木星位于摩羯座3度。那时候，她凭借这次表演迅速成名，这也是她成名的重要时刻。
第一次MTV音乐录像大奖是在1984年9月14日举行的，当时大家都被她穿着婚纱在台上演唱，并在地上滚动的表演震惊了。80年代真的很有冲击力。我当时16岁，觉得70年代才刚过去几年，为什么人们会这么震惊呢？但事实就是这样。
我以前看过一个星盘，也许是在某个节目里提到的，我觉得她早期因为运用宗教图像或被指责亵渎而遭受很多抨击非常有趣。在她的星盘中，我使用了处女座上升星盘，其火星位于第九宫。我觉得这个非常切合主题。在MTV音乐大奖上，我们看到木星在摩羯座3度，合相海王星在28度摩羯座。这与她本命盘中木星在天秤座26度和海王星在天蝎座2度的排布非常相似。1984年是麦当娜彻底走红、成为传奇的一年。
Yeah yeah and you know I was in high school at the time and like overnight all the girls were wearing you know Madonna hair style Madonna clothes you know fishnet everywhere 15 year old girls and fishnet stuff yeah it was it was 1984 lot of hair gel yeah nice nice so jumping forward to the next conjunction which happened in 1997 January 9th 1997 that same month of that conjunction just 10 days later she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress for her role in the movie Aveda and this marked like a major career high point for her in her highest critical acclaim as an actress which is also coming just three months after the birth of her first child which is also an important turning point but we can see when she wins that Golden Globe that like Jupiter is at 29 degrees of Capricorn conjunct Neptune at 27 degrees of Capricorn yeah excuse me the movie was still pretty new it premiered in the US Christmas of 96 so it was still in theaters when she won that Golden Globe I believe yeah and that's kind of like the pinnacle of her 1990s acting career because I remember like earlier in the 90s you had like a League of Their Own the baseball movie with Gina Davis where she played a pretty significant role in that but this is her winning like actual awards.
是这样的，当时我还在上高中，突然之间，所有的女孩都开始模仿麦当娜的发型和穿着，到处都是渔网袜，15岁的女孩们都在穿，真是1984年的感觉，到处都是发胶，很潮。然后我们快进到下一个重要时刻，也就是1997年1月9日，这个月里，就在重要时刻发生的10天后，她因为在电影《贝隆夫人》中的角色赢得了金球奖最佳女主角，这标志着她演艺生涯的一个重大成就，也是在她迎来第一个孩子出生仅三个月后的一次重要转折。我们可以看到，当她赢得金球奖时，木星位于摩羯座29度，与位于摩羯座27度的海王星相合。对不起，那部电影在96年圣诞节刚刚在美国首映，所以当她得奖的时候还在电影院上映。我想这算是她在90年代演艺生涯的顶峰，因为我记得90年代早期还有一部《红粉联盟》，她在里面与吉娜·戴维斯合作，饰演了一个重要的角色，但这次她是真正获得了正式的奖项。
Yeah yeah no I don't think her her acting career ever really topped this one you know in terms of the claim or reviews or what have you there was a movie when she was first becoming famous called desperately seeking Susan that was kind of popular but she didn't she wasn't gonna win a Golden Globe for that but a lot of her movies had been sort of hit and miss yeah League of Their Own was a bigger was more popular than some of her others but yeah this really did she never got you know got higher with her acting career than what she did with Aveda sure well yeah because I don't I don't remember her doing many acting roles after this like the 2000s I don't do you remember it no no she married she married Guy Richie after this the film director who did you know lock stock into smoking barrels and things like that but yeah no it's true she actually what she did do after Aveda is the following year she made what I think is by far her best album um Ray of Light which is just excellent and you know this from someone who had never been that into her music you know I I liked some of her singles but Ray of Light was a really solid work of of art you know like like she really made a great great album there right um do you remember when it's funny that you mentioned Guy Richie and her getting together with them because that actually brings us to our next conjunction where we jump to January of 2009 and unfortunately in January of 2009 she gets divorced from Guy Richie so Neptune's in early Aquarius and Jupiter's in early Aquarius and Neptune is later on in Aquarius at like 23 but this marked um the finalization of that divorce for her which is an important turning point it also um the conjunctions later that year bracketed the finalization of her adoption of her daughter Mercy James and she also had a major tour that made her the highest grossing tour by a solo artist at that time in 2009.
是的，是的，我不认为她的演艺生涯在声誉或评论方面超过了这部作品。她刚出名时有一部电影叫《疯狂寻找苏珊》，那部电影还算受欢迎，但她不可能因为那部电影获得金球奖。她参与的很多电影质量参差不齐。《红粉联盟》比她的一些其他电影更受欢迎一些，但可以说，她的演艺生涯在《贝隆夫人》那部电影中达到了巅峰。我记得在2000年之后，她好像没怎么再接演什么角色了，你记得吗？不记得了。在此之后，她嫁给了电影导演盖·里奇，盖·里奇拍摄了《两杆大烟枪》等电影。但是，确实如此，在《贝隆夫人》之后的下一年，她发布了我认为她最好的专辑《光芒》，这张专辑非常出色。即便对于我这样一个从来没有对她的音乐特别感兴趣的人来说，我也很喜欢她的一些单曲，但《光芒》是一部非常扎实的艺术作品，那张专辑真的很棒。对了，你提到盖·里奇和她在一起的事情，这倒是提醒了我接下来的话题。到了2009年1月，她和盖·里奇离婚，这对她来说是一个重要的转折点。当时海王星在水瓶座前期，木星也在水瓶座前期，而海王星后来进入了水瓶座的23度。这一年晚些时候的合相标志着她收养女儿梅西·詹姆斯的最终完成。此外，她在2009年举办了一次大型巡演，当时成为了单人艺术家最高票房的巡演。
So then finally we jump forward to the next conjunction, which is April 12th 2022, and this was the Jupiter Neptune conjunction in Pisces and um that year, the year of this conjunction, she released a major career retrospective album that was titled "Finally Enough Love: 50 Number Ones." Um, yeah, so she does basically like a career retrospective in this year of the Jupiter Neptune conjunction in Pisces, which I thought was brilliant because it kind of like bookends her career in this pretty significant and notable way, which began under under Jupiter Neptune conjunction.
于是，接下来我们直接跳到下一个合相事件，发生在2022年4月12日。这是木星和海王星在双鱼座的合相。在这一年，她发布了一张重要的职业回顾专辑，名为《终于足够的爱：50首冠军单曲》。在这个木星和海王星合相的年份，她进行了一次职业生涯的回顾，我觉得这非常聪明，因为这就像是为她的职业生涯画上了一个重要的句号，使她的职业历程有了一个显著的标志，而她的职业生涯正是在另一个木星和海王星合相时开始的。
Yeah, well, it's certainly it took off under one, yet that were absolutely yeah yeah yeah or well done Madonna. Yeah, all right, um what where should we go from here? What conjunctions have we not covered or what alignments have we not covered that would be good to, that are in our research list?
好的，这个话题确实在某个阶段发展起来了，确实是这样，是的，嗯，Madonna做得很好。好的，那么，我们接下来该怎么走？有哪些连接词或排列组合我们还没有涉及，但在我们的研究名单中值得研究的？
Well, you you have the Charles Manson Mars Neptune. Yeah, Mars Neptune, that would be a good one. Okay, so let me pull up Charles Manson's chart. I just um found this one's the tricky, of course, for dealing with the noted murder or people that instructed people to murder other people. I had used him, I think I mentioned him maybe in the fifth house example recently as a Mars Neptune conjunction in the fifth house, and I was really fascinated by that partially because one of the ways I was interpreting it before I looked at his recurrence transits was as somebody who he started a cult but it was like a cult of like younger people and you you often find younger people in the fifth house.
好的，我们来谈谈查尔斯·曼森的火星-海王星组合。是的，火星-海王星，这会是个不错的例子。好，我来调出查尔斯·曼森的星盘。这种情况很棘手，特别是因为我们要讨论的是一个臭名昭著的谋杀犯或者说指使他人去杀人的人。我之前在分析第五宫的例子时提到过他，因为他在第五宫有火星-海王星合相。我对这个组合很感兴趣，部分原因是，在查看他的行运之前，我曾把它解读为一个创建了邪教的人，而这个邪教主要吸引了年轻人，而在占星学中，第五宫与年轻人有关。
That was part of how I was interpreting that I think in one of the recent fifth house episodes but then when I was researching this episode, I actually found that he responded a lot to Mars Neptune conjunctions uh at different points in his career but um maybe you can help to verify this for me because I don't want to do his entire like chronology or something but basically there were three conjunctions I think that were important for him and one of them is that he gets out of prison in early 1967 and he ends up going to San Francisco and that summer which is famously known as like the summer of love, right? In the middle of that there's this Mars Neptune conjunction in like August of 1967 and this is when he's first gathering together his so-called family, his cult basically the Manson family in San Francisco, right?
这段文字的大意是：在最近的一个《第五宫》节目中，我对一些事情有了自己的理解，但在为这个节目查资料时，我发现他在职业生涯的不同阶段对火星和海王星的合相反应强烈。也许你可以帮我核实这一点，因为我不想把他的整个生平全部梳理出来。基本上，我认为有三个重要的合相，其中之一是他在1967年初出狱，然后去了旧金山。那年的夏天被称为“爱之夏”，而在1967年8月中旬，出现了火星和海王星的合相。这时，他开始在旧金山聚集他的“家庭”或称为邪教组织，也就是著名的“曼森家族”。
Yeah, yeah, so what's interesting um talking you know seeing how these things can be extended when you have a retrograde, Manson's release from prison is March 21st 1967 and Mars has just gone retrograde at two degrees of Scorpio, so it's already co-present with Neptune even though it's on the other end of the sign that Mars retrogrades. We release from prison Mars is co-present with Neptune in Scorpio. The Mars retrograde is going to wander back into Libra and then go back into Scorpio. So that by the end of July, July 28th, Manson's actually arrested um for um you know having a teenage girl with. him basically but you know there's something about Manson's life at this time which we don't need to get into now but um he he keeps getting away with stuff that he you know legally shouldn't be getting away with and and people have theories about why that is but yeah certainly by July and August he's putting together that family as Mars is now back in Scorpio you know even by the end of July and throughout the summer that summer of love Mars is back co-present with Neptune so again it's that matter of like you know Mars after a retrograde moving slowly spending a lot of time in the same sign so that that co-presence with Neptune is really drawn out and yeah over a short period of time he assembles what people call his family a rag tag gang of runaways and other counter-cultural you know wanderers and um yeah you know um and this is this is the crew of people that he'll be with over the next two three years as he goes on to become this um cultural icon of of murder and terror right because he eventually instructs his followers to murder people and they go off and do it and um one thing about his his Mars Neptune conjunction I didn't know until like last night when I was researching this and his biography is that um prior to this point he was involved in um like the wicked pede of biography says it was involved in pimping basically in like um having women prostitutes that he was like in charge of and was putting on the streets and that this is like a significant part of his biography and he actually married one one of the the prostitutes that he was working with at a certain point.
是的，是的，所以有趣的是，讨论到这些事情在逆行期间是如何延展的。曼森从监狱中获释的日期是1967年3月21日，那时火星刚好在天蝎座2度进入逆行状态，因此即便火星和海王星在星座的两端，它们已经同时出现了。我们解读为：释放出监狱的火星与海王星同时在天蝎座中。火星的逆行将回到天秤座，然后再回到天蝎座。因此，到7月28日，曼森实际上因为与未成年少女在一起而被捕。在那个时期，曼森的生活中发生了一些事情，不过我们现在不需要深入讨论。但他总是能逃避掉一些法律上不应该逃脱的事情，人们对此有各种理论。到七月和八月时，他开始组建“家庭”，火星此时回到了天蝎座。甚至到了七月末以及整个那个夏季，所谓的“爱之夏”，火星又与海王星同时出现。因此，这就像是火星在逆行后缓慢移动，并在同一星座中停留很长时间，使得这种共现与海王星的关系被延长。短时间内，他组建了一个被称为“家庭”的团体，一个由逃家者和其他反文化游荡者组成的杂牌队。这是陪伴他未来两三年的人群，他逐渐成为一个与谋杀和恐怖有关的文化标志，因为他最终指使他的追随者去谋杀其他人，而他们真的去做了。
关于曼森和他火星-海王星合相的一点，我昨晚才在查阅他的传记时发现的，是在此之前他被卷入了一些事情，他的传记提到他曾经涉及皮条生意，基本上是管理和控制一些妓女，他负责把她们送到街上，这也是他传记中一个重要部分，而他实际上还与其中一名妓女结了婚。
I thought that was a striking manifestation of his Mars Neptune conjunction in the fifth house that I didn't know about until yesterday yeah yeah no he um um I know he was arrested for pimping in 1954 a couple of times um and um you know even even with the Manson family like the the runaway girls in the in the Manson family um I mean he more or less pimped them out as well he would have them working in in strip bars and bringing him the money um the the ranch that they stayed in was you know basically their rent was paid to the old guy who owned the rent uh the ranch you know through through favors from the the girls in the Manson family most likely squeaky from um so yeah I mean he was he was always kind of pimping even like the the whole thing about the Manson family was it was Manson's hold over the women that made the family enticing to the men who hung out in the family you know the men wanted the women Charlie Charlie can control the women so even within the family there was an element of him being a pimp of sorts got it okay that makes so much more sense of just I had always seen just his birth chart in this like emphasis on the seventh house with like that whole stelium of like mercury Jupiter Venus Sun all in the seventh house and then because he has a day chart he was born a little bit before sunset the ruler of the seventh house of relationships and other people being that Mars in Virgo in the fifth house of sex and sexuality can junk Neptune and that being the most difficult planet in his chart but I had never fully understood why that was until I was reading that about his biography but suddenly it makes just like a ton of sense.
我认为这段描述很能体现出他星盘中火星与海王星在第五宫的合相。这一点我直到昨天才知道。对，他在1954年曾因为拉皮条被捕过几次。即便是在曼森家族中，他也基本上是在剥削那些离家出走的女孩，他让她们在脱衣舞俱乐部工作，把钱交给他。他们住的农场实际上是通过女孩们的"服务"来支付租金，最可能的是由Squeaky Fromm来负责。所以，他一直都有这样的剥削行为。曼森家族吸引男人的部分原因是曼森对女人的控制能力，这也是他在家族内某种程度上的类似于皮条客的角色。我一直只看过他的星盘，上面强调了第七宫，其中水星、木星、金星和太阳都在第七宫，还因为他是在日落前出生，代表人际关系的第七宫由火星掌管，而火星在第五宫与海王星相合，这个相位是他星盘中最困难的部分，但我从未完全理解过为什么，直到读到他的传记。我才突然明白这一切都很有道理。
So right all right so so to jump forward it goes to not dwell on that to jump okay no yeah but I just wanted to say there's one other thing is he was a very talented musician and songwriter so there is that that Mars Neptune is there just you know as you would expect he was good you know people people like Neil Young or whoever I've said you know yeah he's a crazy killer but you know he wrote some good songs which is objectively true you know despite what one thinks of his character.
好的，好的，不纠结于此，我们往前说。我想说的是，他是一个非常有才华的音乐家和词曲作者，这是不可否认的。就像火星海王星的影响一样，他确实很出色。尽管他性格方面可能有些疯狂，像尼尔·杨这些人也说过，他是个有争议的人，但他确实写了一些好歌，这一点是客观事实。
Okay I'm glad you mentioned that because that is the setup for the next Mars Neptune conjunction after this one in 1967 which occurs two years later in 1969 and the context for that ties in what you're just saying because he was a musician and he was trying to get there was a music producer that he was trying to work with and that this music producer like almost like signed a deal with him but ended up like backing out at some point right correct yeah the beach boys did record one of men's and songs they rewrote some of the lyrics but the and and it was this producer Terry Melcher who produced that record got it so yeah.
好的，我很高兴你提到这一点，因为这是继1967年的火星-海王星合相之后的下一个背景，该合相将在两年后的1969年发生，而这个背景与你刚才说的正好契合。因为他是个音乐家，他当时正试图与一位音乐制作人合作，这位制作人几乎与他签了协议，但后来在某个时候又退出了。是的，海滩男孩确实录制了他的一首歌，不过修改了一些歌词，而制作这张唱片的正是制作人特里·梅尔彻。明白了。
You know he even had a song on a beach voice record so that's something so but so two years later it's February 22nd 1969 there's another conjunction that month of Mars and Neptune in Scorpio this time and he instructs one of the things he he's going to end up doing later that year is he instructs his followers and his cult to go and kill the music producer because he knows where the guy lives and he knows his house but what happens at the conjunction in February of 1969 is the music producer moves out of his house which Manson doesn't know and this other couple which is Roman Planski and Sharon Tate move into the house in February of 1969 at the time of this Mars Neptune conjunction and then they will famously later be murdered when Manson sends his crazed followers to murder them in this like grizzly murder later that summer but that's what's so crazy about this conjunction to me is that the primary event there may be other events but the primary event that I noticed is that Sharon Tate and Planski move into that house at that time and there's a Mars Neptune component to that because it's like they literally get murdered almost on.
你知道吗，他甚至在一个海滩男声录音中有一首歌，所以这也算是一件事。但是，两年后的1969年2月22日，火星和海王星在天蝎座再次相合。那年晚些时候，他命令他的追随者和他的教派去杀掉一位音乐制作人，因为他知道这个人的住址和房子。然而，1969年2月这个天象发生时，音乐制作人搬出了房子，而罗曼·波兰斯基和莎朗·塔特夫妇搬入了这所房子。几个月后的夏天，曼森派他的疯狂追随者去残忍地谋杀了他们。让我感到不可思议的是这个天象，因为主要事件是莎朗·塔特和波兰斯基在这个时间搬入了那所房子，而火星与海王星似乎也与此有关，因为他们后来几乎被谋杀了。
Absolutely yeah well yeah Tate gets murdered and the others take it's brutally murdered while she's pregnant because of a mixup basically because they didn't know that they would be there and they thought they were going after this other guy yeah yeah that's basically that's basically what happened yeah okay and so that happens later that summer and then get this Manson and his family are arrested and put on trial and then two years later because these Mars Jupiter conjunctions happen or Mars sorry Mars Neptune conjunctions happen at about that rate two years later on January 25th 1971 there's a recurrence and Manson and his co-defendants on this date are found guilty and this begins this marks basically the end of his career and the end of his life as a free man because he would then spend the rest of his life in prison from this point forward.
好的，翻译成中文如下：
是的，Tate被谋杀了，而其他人在她怀孕时也被残忍地杀害了。这基本上是因为误会，因为凶手不知道他们会在那里，他们以为要追杀另一个人。大概就是这样发生的。然后在那个夏天晚些时候，曼森和他的“家庭”被逮捕并受到审判。两年后，也就是1971年1月25日，由于火星和海王星的合相差不多就是以这样的频率发生，在那一天，曼森和他的同谋被判有罪。这标志着他职业生涯的结束，并且从此他余生都在监狱中度过。
And on this date Mars is at one degree of Sagittarius conjunct Neptune at two degrees of Sagittarius so he ends up having again this recurrence of Mars and Neptune when him and his cultist basically are sentenced to life in prison yeah and think about it he's got the Mars Neptune conjunction and Manson's conviction is very unusual in law it is incredibly and it is very very hard to convict someone of murder if they weren't even in the house or the vicinity of where the murder occurred what they proved was that he instigated it and he had an influence so it's very Mars Neptune like he didn't he didn't personally kill anyone he just sort of you know yeah entranced these followers into doing it so it's even interesting on that regard you know and that's that that was acknowledged like no one no one no one thought he was there it's very well established he wasn't he brought them there he told them what to do and then he left right yeah.
在这一天，火星位于射手座一度，与位于射手座二度的海王星相合，因此他又出现了这种火星与海王星的重现，这时他和他的信徒们基本上被判处终身监禁。想一想，他有火星海王星的合相，而曼森的定罪在法律上是非常不寻常的。通常，要定罪一个人在他甚至不在谋杀现场或附近的情况下犯下谋杀罪是非常非常困难的。证明的是他是煽动者，他对事件有影响力，这非常像是火星与海王星的特质。他没有亲自杀人，而是让他的追随者们去做这件事。即使只是从这一点来看也是很有趣的，大家都知道他并不在那里，但他把他们带到那里，告诉他们要做什么，然后就离开了。
That's I think on this that this there was a follow-up murder the next night or two nights later and for that one he did tie up the people but even then he left and the other people went in and killed him so yeah you know it's a very hard thing to do to convict someone of murder when they're not even in the in the you know vicinity but that's what you get with him yeah totally and this is that's a good example for another digression of like what of things we learn from this which is that sometimes by doing this recurrence transit work you learn more about the specific manifestations of certain planetary combinations and like right here we're seeing a really good example of what Mars and Neptune can mean when they come together in some instances and it's it's a really great empirical way of learning with the planetary alignments actually mean and what do different planetary energies mean when they're blended together.
我认为在这之后，可能发生了第二起谋杀案，大概在第二天晚上或再过一两天。在那次事件中，他确实绑架了那些人，但即便如此，他离开后，其他人才进去并杀了他。所以，当一个人甚至不在现场时，要判定他谋杀罪是很困难的，但这就是他的情况。这是一个很好的例子，说明研究这些重复出现的转变工作可以让我们从中学到什么。我们发现，有时候，通过这样的研究方法，可以更深入地理解某些行星组合的具体表现——就像在这里，我们看到火星和海王星结合在一起时可能代表的意义。这是一种通过行星排列来学习的很好经验方式，让我们理解不同的行星能量结合在一起时的含义。
Yeah there's there's one you miss can you just go to his chart in September 24th 1984 on this day so you see Mars and Neptune or again in a in a recurrence in Sagittarius but at the opposite end of Sagittarius as to when he was convicted on this day he was assaulted by another inmate at prison and set on fire he came close to dying okay well it's yeah it's in the whole sign eighth house and and you know yeah just thought I'd throw it in there right yeah that's a really good good point good example um yeah that's crazy so that is you know and that's such a weird combination because I don't think we have we looked at Mars Neptune before I think this is our first one right yeah it is our first one yeah okay um yeah so just all of sorts of different combinations work for different people in these unique ways that's like symbolically resonant with the nature of the combination indeed a couple other combinations that we haven't covered yet that I want to make sure that we do briefly one of them is yeah one of them is Saturn conjunct Pluto and with this one I have a really good example where you found the Megan Markle one right I was looking at that too I was glad you found that exactly because I was thinking about Saturn Neptune and one of the news stories I remember because that conjunction went exact at the beginning of 2020 and before COVID really ramped up one of the news stories I remembered about that year there was very close to the Saturn Pluto conjunction is that Prince Harry and Megan Markle announced that they were leaving the royal family at that time or that they were stepping down for from official duties.
翻译如下:
是的，有一个你错过了。你能看一下1984年9月24日他的星盘吗？在这一天，你会看到火星和海王星再次出现在射手座，但位置和他被判刑时在射手座的位置正好相反。这一天，他在监狱里被另一个囚犯袭击并被点燃，差点丧命。好的，这其实是在整体星盘的第八宫，对吧？我只是想补充这一点。是的，这是一个很好的例子。这真是太疯狂了。这是一种非常奇怪的组合，因为我不认为我们之前有看过火星和海王星的组合，我想这是我们第一次看到这样的组合。是的，这是我们第一次探讨这种组合。所以，不同的组合对不同的人会以独特的方式产生共鸣，这是与组合的性质在象征上相一致的。确实，还有几个我们还没讨论过的组合，我想确保我们能够简要地探讨一下。其中一个是土星和冥王星合相。在这个方面，我有一个很好的例子，你找到了梅根·马克尔的那个，对吧？我也在看那个，很高兴你发现了它。因为我在想土星和海王星，2020年年初刚好是它们合相的时候，我记得那年有一个新闻故事，就在土星和冥王星合相的时候，哈里王子和梅根·马克尔宣布他们要退出王室或者放弃执行官方职责。
And what's fascinating about that is that both of them were born with a needle Saturn Pluto conjunction and different signs and it in adjacent signs so Megan was literally born like a lesson a week after Harry's parents were married just to wow okay yeah a little spin on that they were married in July 29th 31 and she's born August 4th 81 so here's her chart so she has Saturn at five degrees of Libra co-present with Pluto at 21 degrees of Libra in the fourth whole sign house and you know Saturn rules the seventh house of relationships it's in the fourth house of family and parents so it's and let's actually you're kind of there's also she's got Saturn Jupiter co-present with Pluto and really when we get to this period in 2020 that's really relevant again that's a good point also Saturn Saturn Jupiter co-present in the same sign and Jupiter Pluto co-present because of course all of those would recur in 2020 and in in early 2020 so that's her chart and then Prince Harry's chart is here September 15th 1984 and he has Pluto at zero degrees of Scorpio co-present with Saturn at 12 degrees of Scorpio.
这段话的意思是描述了有关梅根和哈里王子的星座和行星位置的有趣信息。两人都出生时拥有针锋相对的土星和冥王星相合，但在不同的星座中。梅根出生在哈里父母结婚不到一周之后。哈里的父母是在1981年7月29日结婚的，而梅根在1981年8月4日出生。梅根的星盘显示，她的土星位于天秤座5度，与位于天秤座21度的冥王星在同一宫位(第四宫，与家庭和父母相关)。土星主导着第七宫，代表着人际关系，但在第四宫则和家庭相关。她的星盘中，土星和木星与冥王星同在一个星座，这一点在2020年再次变得重要，因为这些行星位置在2020年初又重复出现。至于哈里王子的星盘，他出生于1984年9月15日，冥王星位于天蝎座0度，与位于天蝎座12度的土星同在一个星座。
So again like a sign based co-present really not that far off in terms of degrees but so both of them have that signature of Saturn Pluto needily and then what happened is at the beginning of 2020 on January 8th 2020 they made their first public announcement basically that they were starting to pull back from doing official like royal duties and things as part of the like the royal the British royal family which Harry was part of and and and Megan married married into of course so here's the chart for that because what's so striking about that date is it's extremely close to the Saturn Pluto conjunction that that went exact just a few days later but here we see Saturn at 22 degrees of Capricorn conjunct Pluto at 22 degrees of Capricorn so it's on the same degree and then all of a sudden they begin this process basically of starting to remove themselves from the royal family and over the course of the next several months there's this increasingly public and increasingly tenuous like break between Megan and Harry and the royal family including Harry's brother William and his father Prince Prince or was he King Charles at that I guess just Prince Charles no you still he was still Prince Charles at that point yeah yeah so I thought this was incredible just because then the Saturn Pluto recurrence for them is this huge break between them as a couple in the royal family and then there's all sorts of like accusations lobbed back and forth from both sides eventually about why this happened or whose fault it was and etc but we don't have to go into all of that so much as just noting that this very public rift in this family came about during the Saturn Pluto recurrence yeah yeah simple as that yeah so that's pretty good so you know this this brings us back to the 2021 which is just this huge pile up of planets that happened in the first few months of 2020 this stellium and Capricorn that was like you know Jupiter Saturn Pluto at different points there were different outer planets and this reminds me of a point I meant to make which is that this is why stelliums in the sky in Mandena astrology or in world astrology are important because when a stellium happens in a certain sign when there's a cluster of a bunch of planets that move together into conjunction by degree or by sign all of a sudden a bunch of people are going to start having recurrence trans it's all at the same time and it starts drawing in everybody's chart to this like weird energy vortex that's almost like a black hole because it like the mass of all of those planets being together is causing a bunch of people to start having recurrence trans it's if they have those planets in close alignments of their own birth chart especially conjunctions.
好的，让我尝试翻译并简化这段文字：
因此，类似基于星座的共同存在并没有那么遥远，它们都有土星和冥王星的特征。然后在2020年初，准确地说是1月8日，他们首次公开宣布将退出英国王室的正式职责。哈里王子是王室成员，而梅根则是通过婚姻加入的。这一日期特别值得注意，因为离几天后精确发生的土星和冥王星合相非常接近。当时土星和冥王星都位于摩羯座22度，标志着他们开始逐渐脱离王室。在接下来的几个月里，梅根和哈里与王室的关系变得越来越公开和紧张，包括与哈里的兄弟威廉和他的父亲查尔斯王子（当时尚未成为国王）。
我觉得这非常不可思议，因为这次土星和冥王星的再次相遇标志着他们作为夫妻与王室之间的重大分裂。双方随后互相指责为何会发生这样的事情，但更重要的是，这是一个非常公开的家族裂痕，就发生在土冥合相期间。
这引导我们回到2021年，也就是2020年初发生的行星聚集。多个行星在摩羯座的会合，例如木星、土星和冥王星，这就是为什么在世界占星学中，当行星在某个星座中聚集时会很重要。因为当有多个行星在相同度数或星座聚集时，很多人会经历类似的天象表现，因为这些行星的质量在一起，像一个能量漩涡，会使那些出生星盘中有相近度数配置的人都感受到其影响，尤其是合相。
You know what looking at this chart reminds me of Chris actually this is this is going to be worth it um so going back to 2016 and we're and we're predicting the election you mentioned how well you know why you didn't think of of Trump then in 2016 um I'm thinking well Trump is a 2024 guy's not a 2016 guy so I don't think he's going to win I thought Hillary was going to win and um I even when I when I predicted Hillary would win my reasoning and this is where this can uh bite you in the ass I was looking at this this this cluster of planets in 2020 I was talking about it in 2016 and I was thinking oh something bad is going to happen in early 2020 and Hillary has a Saturn Pluto conjunction and she's going to have a recurrence transit and so this is going to be this big moment in her presidency that's what I'm thinking in 2016 and being hilariously wrong while also you know sort of bearing the lead I a lot of astrologers we knew that early 2020 looked really crazy even if we didn't know what to make of it.
这张图让我想起Chris，其实，看这个图会非常有意思。我们回到2016年，当时我们在预测选举，你提到为什么你在2016年没有想到支持特朗普。我当时认为特朗普是适合2024年的人选，而不是2016年的，所以我不认为他会赢。我以为希拉里会赢。当我预测希拉里会赢的时候，这就是我的推理，也就是这些推理有时会误导你。我当时在看2020年的行星排列，我在2016年就提到过，我觉得2020年初会发生一些不好的事情，而希拉里有土星和冥王星的合相，她会经历这样的行星转变，所以我以为这会是她总统任期中的一个重要时刻。这是我在2016年的想法，虽然结果大错特错，但很多占星师都知道2020年初看起来会有些疯狂，即便我们那时不知道会发生什么。
Um but I I did think something big was coming but I thought it would be president Hillary Clinton who'd be dealing with it because she had that native natal Saturn Pluto so it's it's interesting it's just you can learn when you get things wrong as well I think everyone who's been listening to this episode can fathom why I would have thought something like why I would have used that reasoning it wasn't necessarily unsound even if it was ultimately wrong but looking at this reminds me now of like like since we're on the subject of recurrence transits um I was thinking oh well Hillary if she wins this will be her big moment you know and it probably would have been um that thing's been different right yeah well and it was in mundane astrology of course this was the recurrence you know the 2020 COVID pandemic on the Saturn Pluto conjunction the last time there had been a Saturn Pluto conjunction was in the early 1980s when the AIDS epidemic was was breaking out.
嗯，但我确实觉得会有大事发生，但我以为会是希拉里·克林顿总统处理它，因为她有那个天生的土星冥王星，所以这很有趣，你也可以从错误中学习。我想听过这一集的所有人都能理解我为什么会那样想，为什么我会用那样的推理。即使最后错了，但也不一定是不合理的。在谈到重复的星象时，我当时想，如果希拉里赢了，这可能就是她的重要时刻，很可能会是，那事情就会有所不同，对吧？是的，在世俗占星术中，这确实是一个重复现象，比如2020年的新冠疫情爆发时的土星与冥王星的合相。上一次出现土星与冥王星合相是在20世纪80年代初，当时艾滋病疫情刚刚爆发。
Yeah so good good times but stellions are important because then as the point you were making was like you know Harry was getting a recurrence but um Megan especially was getting a recurrence because she didn't just have um Saturn Pluto but she also had a Jupiter. Pluto recurrence um later that year of course well that actually already there's already co-president the Jupiter Saturn recurrence so she's having like three major outer planet recurrences by conjunction in her chart and in her particular chart the the chart ruler is locked in with those planets as well she's got the moon she's cancer rising the moon in Libra is a degree from conjunct Saturn and two from Jupiter etc etc so it really is like it's a big part of her chart even more than your average person born in 1981 a lot of people born in 1981 have that Jupiter Saturn in Pluto hello Beyonce hello um Britney Spears many others you know the a lot of them would have been having recurrence transits like that.
好的，好时光，但星体位置很重要，因为正如你所说的，哈里有了一些再次出现的现象，而梅根尤其如此。她不仅经历了土星和冥王星的再次合相，还在那年晚些时候经历了木星和冥王星的合相。事实上，木星和土星的合相已经存在了，所以她的星盘中通过合相的方式正在经历三个主要的外行星再次出现。在她的星盘中，命盘主星也与这些行星紧密相连。她是一个上升星座为巨蟹座的人，月亮位于天秤座，距离土星合相只有一度，距离木星合相只有两度等等。因此，这些行星在她的星盘中比普通1981年出生的人更为重要。很多1981年出生的人都有木星、土星和冥王星的合相，比如碧昂丝和布兰妮·斯皮尔斯，他们中的很多人都会经历这样的再次合相过境。
But even in Megan's case because the moon is there and it's a chart ruler it's just that much more the case for her even relative to her peers absolutely one and to take that a step further it's like look at what house this recurrence of planets is falling in that entire Capricorn stelium in 2020 is falling in her seventh house of relationships and you know of course squaring her fourth fourth house stelium of like family and she's having they're having this huge falling out with her partners family yeah and her partners family are part of like a millennia long institution you know that that once ruled the world so it's not just anyone's family.
即便是梅根的情况，因为月亮在她的命盘中扮演着重要角色，所以对她来说，这一点比她的同龄人更加显著。更进一步地说，可以观察一下这些行星的再现落在哪个宫位。2020年整个摩羯座星群都落在了她的第七宫，即关系宫。同时这也正好与她的第四宫家庭宫的星群形成刑克，她与伴侣的家庭出现了严重的不和。她伴侣的家庭可不是普通的家庭，而是一个历经千年、曾经统治世界的机构的一部分。
Yeah I mean it's the royal family give me a break it's it's you know yeah an institution in many senses the senses of the word there are all these people behind the scenes who you know actually decide what's acceptable and what's not right yeah yeah so that is my example of that of like Saturn Pluto because then it became nass like it became really like dark and in terms of the tension in terms of being Saturn Pluto it was a major um major thing it was it was not it seemed like not pleasant from the reports that I I saw yeah yeah the the only thing that was going to make this story go away was for something even worse to happen to another British royal so there you go.
是这样的，我的意思是，毕竟这是皇室，给我点空间。在很多意义上，它是一个机构。在幕后有很多人，其实是他们决定什么是可以接受的，什么是不可以的。这是我对于土星和冥王星的一个例子，因为事情变得很不愉快，特别是从紧张局势来说，和土星冥王星相关联的情况下，这是一件大事。根据我看到的报道，这似乎不太令人愉快。唯一能让这个故事消失的只有另一位英国皇室成员发生更糟糕的事情。所以，这就是我的看法。
Yeah all right so um you mentioned somebody you mentioned Beyoncé and that actually brought up because she was um a Jupiter Saturn one that I noticed um and this one's good because we recently got Beyoncé's time not too long ago and she has Aries rising and so that Libra Stellium in her chart is actually in the Seventh Hole Sign house because even though the ascendance at like 29 Aries um the descendant is at 29 Libra but she has this whole Libra Stellium then that's in the Seventh Hole Sign house which is like Mercury Saturn Jupiter Venus Pluto so absolutely packed Seventh House and part of that Seventh House is that she has a very close Jupiter Saturn conjunction with Saturn at nine degrees of Libra conjunct Jupiter at 12 degrees of Libra.
好的，嗯，你提到了一个人是碧昂丝。实际上这让我想起她是我注意到的一个木星和土星相合的例子。很有意思的是，我们不久前刚得到碧昂丝的出生时间，她的上升星座是白羊座，所以她星盘中的天秤座群星实际上位于第七宫。尽管她的上升点是白羊座29度，但她的下降点是天秤座29度。所以她有一个完整的天秤座群星位于第七宫，包含水星、土星、木星、金星和冥王星，非常丰富的第七宫。而这第七宫的一部分是她有一个非常紧密的木星和土星合相，土星位于天秤座9度，木星位于天秤座12度。
And the primary thing I want to point out about this that I thought was fascinating is we of course famously had um after she was born the next time that Jupiter and Saturn would conjoin and replicate her natal conjunction as Jupiter and Saturn do that every 20 years so around the ages of like 1920 she there's there's a replication when there's a Saturn Jupiter conjunction that takes place in Taurus if you go to February 15th of 2000 is is when Destiny's Child announced their lineup change because there there was the original four piece that recorded the first the first album and then half the group left and they brought in a third singer and that was the classic Destiny's Child lineup and that was announced on February 15th 2000 the Destiny's Child we know with Michelle Williams okay yeah the three piece.
我想指出的首先是一个非常有趣的事情。众所周知，木星和土星每隔20年就会合相一次，这与她出生时的星象相似。当她大约19或20岁时，这种木星与土星的合相又在金牛座发生了。如果查看2000年2月15日的星象，那正是命运的孩子（Destiny's Child）宣布成员变动的时候。最初的四人组合在录制了第一张专辑后，其中两名成员离开，她们加入了第三位歌手，于是便形成了经典的命运的孩子三人组合，也就是我们所熟知的有米歇尔·威廉姆斯的版本。
So and that's the the major thing that I noticed about this time frame of like you know around a year of this Saturn Jupiter conjunction for Beyonce is that basically this is when the group that she was in Destiny's Child releases two major albums which really make them like a huge hit so there's like one that's released in the middle of 1999 that had that hit say my name the writings on the wall yeah the writing song wall and then the next one and Bill's Bill's right classic and then in May of 2001 Survivor is released and this eventually wins Beyonce her first Grammy as a songwriter for the title track so basically like around this time Beyonce's becoming a huge superstar as part of her as part of the group that she's in Destiny's Child but also sometime around this time I believe is when her and Jay Z get together and Jay Z's like a famous rapper and they got together and became like this power couple with Beyonce being a huge superstar and Jay Z being a huge superstar.
在这个时期，我注意到关于碧昂丝的一件重要事情，就是大约在土星与木星相合的一年里，她所在的组合“命运之子”发行了两张重要的专辑，奠定了他们的大热地位。1999年中期，他们发布了一张专辑，里面有热门单曲《Say My Name》（《不敢相信》(The Writing's On The Wall)），然后还有《Bill's, Bills, Bills》这首经典歌曲。接着在2001年5月，他们又发布了专辑《Survivor》，这张专辑让碧昂丝首次以词曲作者的身份获得了格莱美奖。因此，在这个时间段，碧昂丝作为“命运之子”中的一员，开始成为超级明星。此外，我相信大约在这个时候，她和知名说唱歌手Jay-Z开始交往，他们组成了一对炙手可热的明星情侣，碧昂丝和Jay-Z各自在音乐界都有巨大的影响力。
And that's the other piece that I think is important that was happening around this conjunction is just that that relationship that famous relationship that she was in was starting to get going at some point around that Saturn Jupiter conjunction and yeah I've a chart I have a chart of Destiny's Child and Jay Z performing together at the hot 97 summer jam 2001 at Nassau Colosseum in Union Dale New York on Long Island so they certainly were hanging out on that night and that was still Jupiter and Saturn co-president Gemini and what day was that June 28th 2001 yeah there we go because right because the co-presence gets extended not just in Saturn and Jupiter and Taurus but also Saturn Jupiter and Gemini for a little while.
在那个土星与木星合相期间，另一个重要的事情是她那段著名的关系开始逐渐发展。对，我有一张命盘，是关于命运之子和Jay Z在2001年6月28日的Hot 97夏日音乐会上一同表演的，那场演出在纽约长岛的联合戴尔的纳苏体育馆举办。那天晚上他们确实在一起，这时木星和土星还都在双子座，所以两者的共同影响不仅在土星和木星位于金牛座时存在，也延伸至土星和木星短暂共存于双子座的时期。
Yeah I it was really great back in the day the MTV website would report every little thing about these celebrities and so you could it was really great for the astrology and I would you know just save these these these events and things like this and they come in handy 25 years later right um yeah so that was the main thing I want to point out there's other recurrences with her with like Venus Uranus stuff because her and Jay Z end up getting married on April 4th 2008 near Venus Uranus conjunction and then the like for example Venus and Uranus move into a co-presence very close to the famous incident with like Salange attacking her sister attacking Jay Z and some of the stuff surrounding their relationship and then she releases the lemonade album April 23rd 2016 on a close Venus Uranus conjunction and the album partially focuses on issues with like Jay Z's and infidelity and stuff like that so it's like replicating the needle Venus Uranus conjunction of their wedding chart basically.
回想起来，当时MTV的网站会详细报道每个名人的小事，对研究星座真的很有帮助。我会保存这些事件，结果25年后竟然派上了用场。我主要想指出的一件事情是，她和金·Z的婚姻与金星和天王星的相关事件有很多类似的地方。比如，他们在2008年4月4日结婚，那时正值金星与天王星接近合相。此外，金星和天王星差不多在她妹妹Solange攻击Jay Z的著名事件发生时再次合相。她在2016年4月23日发布《柠檬汽水》专辑时，金星和天王星也处于合相状态。专辑的一部分内容涉及Jay Z的不忠行为，就像重现了他们婚礼上金星与天王星的合相一样。
Yeah so that was that example but I just wanted to mention it because you mentioned Megan Markle in that Jupiter Saturn conjunction in her chart now that gets partially replicated in 2020 but for Beyonce that first Jupiter Saturn conjunction was it was a really defining turning point she'll be that wedding chart again sure so let me animate the chart I don't have a time or anything so I'm just gonna approximate it but the date that I wrote down is April 4th 2008 what I have on April 4th 2008 is Venus at like 28 degrees of Pisces conjunct Uranus at 28 degrees at 28 degrees of Pisces right right I was just I I had a brain fart but Jay Z was born with Venus Neptune conjunct out of sign not Venus Uranus so I was thinking for a second maybe he had a recurrence in there but he doesn't no it's one of those like you know an event creating a new foundation chart in this instance it's like their marriage beginning on a Venus Uranus in Pisces and we see that Venus Uranus conjunction.
好的，所以这是一个例子，我提到它是因为你提到梅根·马克尔在她的星盘中有木星和土星的合相，而这种合相在2020年部分地再现了。但对于碧昂丝来说，第一次的木星和土星合相是一个真正具有决定性的转折点。我们可以再看一下那个婚礼的星盘，所以让我展示一下星盘。我没有具体的时间，所以只能大概估计，但我记下的日期是2008年4月4日。我在2008年4月4日的星盘上看到金星在双鱼座28度，与位于双鱼座28度的天王星合相。我刚刚有点走神了，但Jay Z出生时有金星和海王星的合相，不过它们不在同一星座，而不是金星和天王星合相。所以我一开始以为他这里可能也有类似的现象，但实际上没有。这是类似一种事件创造了一个新的基础星盘，在这种情况下，就是他们的婚姻始于双鱼座中的金星与天王星合相，我们可以观察到这个金星和天王星的合相。
And then here this is the release of the lemonade album and on April 23rd 2016 we see Venus like right it like 22 Aries conjunct Uranus at 21 Aries and it was like a high point for her artistically in terms of most people's regard at that album but it was also dealing with some pretty heavy stuff in terms of their relationship right right that was also that was right when Mars had just stationed retrograde in Sagittarius co-present with Saturn very rare double retrograde in a sign okay nice all right um what have we not covered at this point my friend oh my man um I'm not sure I mean we can go on and on um if we I don't know if we've demonstrated every demonstrate the point I don't know if we've demonstrated it at this point what the that recurrence there might be something the whole recurrence transit thing yeah maybe maybe not I don't know I'm kind of on the fence I'm kind of on the fence with this all astrology thing I don't know if I believe any of it anymore.
好的，这段文字大意如下：
在2016年4月23日，这也是《Lemonade》专辑发布的日子，我们见到金星在白羊座22度与天王星在白羊座21度相合。这张专辑在大多数人眼中的艺术成就达到顶峰，但同时也涉及了一些关于他们关系的复杂问题。就在同一时间，火星在射手座刚刚进入逆行状态，并与土星同在一个星座，这是一个非常罕见的双逆行现象。
目前我们可能还没有完全探讨清楚这段内容，包括整个反复出现的过境现象。我对这件事，包括整个占星学的信念有些动摇，不知道自己是不是还相信这些。
Um can you imagine me I mean I'm sure statistically there's going to be somebody at this point that's like I'm not buying it but I I cannot if I if you're not buying it at this point I can't there's nothing else we could do at this point to to convince anyone I believe right no no um but it's it's there for for people to find for themselves like I'm saying I think you know recurrence transits if Michael hadn't told me about him doing the work I do I might have just stumbled across them anyway they're really obvious if you're really if you're paying attention and you're thinking just a little outside the box they creep up everywhere you know um and and even someone like you who was resisting them eventually you know you see a astrology that you just you know it's it's it becomes really clear that that transits do operate this way.
嗯，你能想象我现在的处境吗？我是说，从统计学上讲，到这个时候肯定会有人不相信，但如果你现在不相信的话，我也无能为力了。我们没办法再去说服任何人了，对吧？不过，这些信息就在那里，等着人们自己去发现。就像我说的那样，如果不是迈克尔告诉我，我可能也会因为自己的工作而偶然发现这些东西。它们其实很明显，只要你真的关注，并稍微跳出常规思维，它们无处不在。即使是像你这样曾经对它们持怀疑态度的人，最终你会发现占星术真的就是以这样的方式运作的。
Yeah absolutely it's um because it's a different way of thinking about transits and thinking about what's possible in at first there's naturally going to be a resistance to that from those that are used to thinking about transits in a certain way and it forces you to expand your conception of what it what a transit is or can be and um you know I I understand having some resistance to that there there may be some people have resistance to that I don't know but for me it's been very valuable learning this technique and really diving into it and starting to get a sense for how it works because it has expanded my understanding of transits and my conceptualizations of transits in a really constructive way that's giving more information without necessarily like messing up something or or changing things in a significant way it's just adding additional information of something that that's there that you could overlook pretty easily if you're not aware of it.
是的，完全没错。这是因为这种方法从根本上改变了我们对交通现象的思考方式。在这个过程中，那些习惯用传统方式看待交通的人，自然会产生一些抵触情绪。这种方法迫使我们去扩展对交通现象的理解。我理解有人对此感到抵触，但对我来说，学习这种技术是非常有价值的。我深入学习后，逐渐理解了其运作原理，因为它扩展了我对交通现象的理解，并在某种程度上重新构建了我的概念架构。这种方式在增加信息的同时，并未对原有的东西造成大的干扰或改变，只是提供了一些我们可能容易忽略的重要信息。
Yep yeah yeah be paying attention okay well I think then instead of killing myself trying to share like the rest of the examples that we found I'm going to save these for a follow-up episode probably of the secret astrology podcast. I'll record that as like a bonus that maybe you and I will record that as a bonus episode just for just for patrons at the end of this month that people want to work yeah and we should mention to people you know we do we do these secret episodes I'm often I'm not always doing them with you but you do them every month I'm often a guest on them and that's where the really juicy astrology is done folks I mean this podcast thing you know for the general public you get the the general problem the real stuff is on the the secret astrology episodes that are for patrons only so pony up folks if you want the real stuff the the high octane astrology coming yeah.
好的，请注意，我想与其拼命分享我们找到的所有例子，我决定将这些留待秘密占星播客的后续节目中再谈。我会把它录制成一个附加的内容，也许到时候你和我可以录成一个月末对赞助者专享的附加节目。如果有人愿意支持，就这样做吧。
我们也应该告诉大家，我们确实有这些秘密节目。我经常参加，但不是每一次，不过你每个月都会做这些节目。我通常是嘉宾，而在这些节目中会进行真正深入的占星，这可是大家的福利。普通的播客只是面向大众的，而真正的好内容是在只对赞助者开放的秘密占星节目中。所以，想要了解真正的高能占星内容，就来参与吧！
I mean I appreciate your promotion of me but I do want to say I actually put all of the best stuff out in the public episodes which is why they're so long because I get so excited about like doing all the research and then wanting to share as much of it as possible and to contribute to the astrological tradition and a genuine excitement about our findings and passion for astrology and love for the subject and for advancing the field and expanding the knowledge of the astrological community actually put way too much out for free just to the public episodes and then when we have other leftovers we do put those in the secret astrology podcast or other things for patrons which there's like going to be like some really good examples there that I actually am struggling not to like spend another hour recording today likewise likewise yeah.
我很感激你对我的宣传，但我想说，其实我已经把所有最好的内容都放在公开的节目里了。这也是为什么节目这么长，因为我在做研究的时候非常兴奋，并想尽可能多地分享自己的发现。我希望为占星传统贡献力量，对我们的发现充满真正的热情，并且热爱这个学科，希望推进这个领域并扩大占星界的知识。所以我确实在公开节目中免费分享了很多内容。而剩下的内容，我们会放在秘密占星播客或其他提供给赞助者的项目中，这些内容也有很好的例子。有时候，我甚至很难不想再花一个小时来录音。
Not to mention doing other aspects like we've only done conjunctions I you know I'd love to do one on just trines or just squares you know and and and what happy I mean it's all doable there's enough yeah absolutely so we're going to go into some conclusions here but we'll just say that yeah this is this is the foundation and we're going to we'll save some of our other episodes for the secret astrology podcast that will record probably later this month.
更不用说其他方面了，比如我们只做了关于合相的内容。我很想专门做一期关于三分相或者四分相的内容。这都是可行的，材料也够用。接下来我们会进入一些总结，不过我想说，这只是一个基础。我们会把其他的一些节目留给秘密占星播客，可能会在这个月晚些时候录制。
Hey so quick interjection while I'm editing this episode in post but Nick and I did end up recording a follow-up episode on the secret astrology podcast where we ended up covering 16 extra chart examples that ended up being cut from this episode so in that episode ended up being a great follow-up because we covered a bunch of planetary combinations that we weren't able to make it to in this episode we also covered multiple planet recurrences with a couple of example charts that I actually meant to include in this episode but I forgot to and then we even covered one intergenerational recurrence transit example which was really amazing to cap off that episode so it ended up being a two hour and 40 minute follow-up discussion.
嘿，我在编辑本期节目时插个话。其实我和Nick录制了一期后续节目，放在我们的秘密星座播客里。在这期节目中，我们讨论了16个额外的星盘示例，这些内容都被从这期节目中删掉了。后续节目的内容非常丰富，我们讨论了这一期没能涉及的许多行星组合，还分析了几个多行星重复出现的星盘示例，这些例子我本来想放在这一期里的，但忘了。我们甚至还讨论了一个跨代重复出现的过境示例，把这个后续节目提升到一个新的高度。这期后续节目总时长达到了两个小时四十分钟。
So if you'd like to get access to that episode you can sign up for the secret astrology podcast at patreon.com slash astrology podcast and that's one of the ways that we help to support and fund this work is through the paying subscribers that sign up for our patreon and help us to fund this research so yeah check it out at patreon.com slash astrology podcast all right thanks and then if people would like us to do some follow-up episodes on other aspects if this creates enough excitement in the astrological community let us know in the comment section on youtube because that's the main place to get feedback at this point to get this feedback if you like to this and let us know if you'd like to see that episode because then if we if you do we'll do a follow-up on other aspects in the future for the public podcast and I do want to say if anybody has a good example that's another one that I'd like to do is I want to put out a survey and ask people let's say especially for conjunctions let's keep it more restricted to conjunctions at this point to keep with our theme but if people have a good example of a recurrence transit either in their own birth chart or in a celebrity chart that they've found let us know in the comments below this video on youtube because I'd like to do a follow-up where we share some stories of submissions that we've received from listeners because I think that would really help to flesh out some of the celebrity examples that we've been getting where you know we focus oftentimes on the surface level of like major visible events in a person's life but this technique is actually even more impressive when you know the behind-the-scenes story and you know the like the emotional and other things that were going on surrounding some of these alignments were actually it's actually much more powerful when you have that behind-the-scenes experience of them and I'd love to hear from some of those stories from people and then we could do a follow-up on those as well.
所以，如果你想收听那集节目，你可以在 patreon.com/astrology podcast 上注册秘密占星播客，这是我们支持和资助这一工作的方式之一，也是我们通过 Patreon 上的付费订阅者来资助这项研究的途径之一。所以，去 patreon.com/astrology podcast 看看吧，谢谢。
另外，如果大家希望我们在其他方面做更多后续的节目，而这些内容在占星社区中引起了足够的兴趣，请在 YouTube 的评论区告诉我们，因为这目前是获得反馈的主要途径。如果你喜欢这个节目，并希望看到相关内容，请告知我们。如果有足够的兴趣，我们将为公众播客做其他方面的后续节目。
最后，我想说，如果有人有好的例子，尤其是关于合相的例子，我们想发起一个调查，邀请大家提供自己出生星盘或名人星盘中发生过的重现过境的例子。请在 YouTube 视频下方的评论中告诉我们，因为我们希望可以做一个后续节目，分享一些听众提交的故事。我认为这可以很好地丰富我们获取的名人案例。我们通常只关注某个人生活中主要的、可见的事件，而这种技术实际上在你知道幕后发生的故事，以及这些排列发生时的情感和其他状况时，效果更为惊人。我很想听听这些故事，然后我们也可以在这些故事上做个后续节目。
And another follow-up episode we could do on this theme is Sinistry recurrence transits for instance when I met you in 2005 that was right when Saturn came into Leo my son's sign and you are someone who has the son and Saturn co-present in a sign and my experience of Saturn being co-present with my son I recognize I said to you at the time of course you didn't believe in recurrence transits but I was like yeah look I got I got the Saturn son and you have Saturn son in your natal chart and so sometimes transits are like that you're having a certain kind of transit and someone comes into your life or it becomes the central in your daily life who has that same the same combination that you're having as a transit they have that as a natal configuration if you have Mars is suddenly or let's say yeah Mars is conjunct your Neptune you start dating someone who has natal Mars conjunct Neptune that kind of thing happens so often and is another really sort of un-sung uncovered facet of this I'd say it's a Jason to what we've been covering in this episode but it really gets into the the weeds of Sinistry so that's another interesting one if folks wanted us to talk about that as well.
我们可以在这个主题上做的另一个后续节目是关于关系占星中的重复行运。比如当我在2005年认识你的时候，那时候正好土星进入狮子座，我的太阳星座，而你的本命盘里有太阳和土星同时在一个星座。当时我感受到了土星与太阳同时出现的影响，于是对你说：当然你当时不相信重复行运，但我想说，看，我有土星和太阳的组合，而你本命盘中也有这样的配置。
有时候，行运就是这样运作的：当你经历某种特定的行运时，生活中会出现一个人，他们的本命盘中有着与你正经历的行运相同的配置。比如说，如果你的火星突然与海王星合相，你可能会开始约会一个本命盘中火星和海王星合相的人。这种情况经常发生，也是一个经常被忽视的有趣方面。我认为这与我们在本期节目中讨论的内容相邻，但深入探讨了关系占星的细节。如果观众感兴趣，我们可以在节目中继续谈论这个话题。
Yeah that would be really amazing to do as well as just you know I've seen that one of the examples I left out was like Francis Ford Coppola being born on a Sun Saturn conjunction like you mentioned and then his daughter is most famous daughter Sophia Coppola being born on a Sun Saturn conjunction in his fifth house so that's like another variation of what you're just talking about sort of yeah yeah Sophia Coppola was born while Francis was filming the godfather and she even appears as a baby in the movie in the final scene with the babies being baptized and you know there's all the shooting going on so there's even like this she has the Sun Saturn conjunction in his fifth house and his wife is having a baby while he's filming this film that's very consequential to his career.
是的，那真是太棒了。我之前提到的例子之一是弗朗西斯·福特·科波拉在太阳与土星合相时出生，就像你提到的那样。而他的女儿，最著名的女儿索菲亚·科波拉，也是在他的第五宫有太阳与土星合相时出生的。这就是你刚才提到的另一种变体，差不多是这样。在弗朗西斯拍摄《教父》时，索菲亚·科波拉出生了，她甚至以婴儿的身份出现在影片最后的受洗场景中，那时枪击不断发生。她的太阳与土星合相在他（父亲）的第五宫，而他的妻子正在生孩子，这部电影对他的职业生涯意义重大。
11 that's perfect all right um so let's wrap up and let's summarize let's restate some points but let's also summarize some things that we've learned that are important so to restate my premise that I said at the beginning my formulation of what we're seeing here is that if a person is born under a specific celestial alignment then important moments in their life will happen when the same celestial alignment reoccurs in the sky so that's what I said at the beginning and now I think we've demonstrated why I said that and that that premise is actually true that like scientific principle and premise um I hope now we we've made a compelling case to show people that that is true and that that's like a valuable very core astrological principle that you can use in practice in different ways.
好的，非常完美。那么我们来总结一下我们所讨论的内容，并重申一些要点，同时也总结一些我们学到的重要知识。首先，我在开头提出的观点是，如果一个人在特定的天体排列下出生，那么在他们生命中的重要时刻，当相同的天体排列再次出现在天空中时，也会发生。这是我在一开始所说的，现在我们已经展示了为什么我会这样说，并证明了这个前提实际上是成立的，就像一个科学原则和前提。我希望我们现在已经给大家提供了一个令人信服的理由，证明这是正确的，并且这是一个非常有价值的核心占星原则，可以在不同的方面实际应用。
All right um let's see other things uh one of the cool things is that the technique is birth time independent while knowing the time and house placement and sect and other things provides additional info as well as like what house the recurrence will land in which we've seen to be important several times it's still like theoretically something you could use and get some information from even if you don't have a birth time so that's very good news for like you know a significant portion of the population that doesn't know their birth time that there is a predictive technique that you can use that's pretty useful in terms of still making predictions about important events in the future.
好的，我们来看其他内容。其中一个很棒的点是，这种技术不依赖于出生时间。虽然知道出生时间、宫位以及阶段等信息可以提供更多的信息，比如说反复出现的事件会落在什么宫位上，这一点我们发现过几次是很重要的。但即使没有出生时间，你仍然可以使用这种技术获取一些信息。所以这个消息对很多不知道自己出生时间的人来说是非常好的，因为有一种预测技术仍然可以对未来的重要事件进行有用的预测。
Yep yeah so that's true um by extension this is also while the co-presences are really important and that's been something really core I think that we've seen consistently there's also another level where this technique works independent of zodiac and so to some extent you could use it so ideally for example you could also use it um even if you're not using a zodiac for example there's things about this technique that while you can layer additional things like the zodiac in ways that I think are important and useful there's also a certain way in which you could use this technique even independent of of what zodiac or any zodiac and I think there's something compelling about that as well from a from a practical and conceptual standpoint.
是的，是这样。实际上，这种技术的核心在于共存的重要性，这一直以来都是关键所在。我认为我们一贯看到这一点。除此之外，还有另一个层面就是这种技术可以在不依赖星座的情况下发挥作用。因此，理论上你可以在不涉及星座的情况下使用它。例如，你可以将星座等其他元素融入其中，这确实很重要和有用，但同时你也可以在不依赖任何星座的情况下应用这种技术。我认为从实际和概念的角度来看，这也是相当有吸引力的。
Yeah yeah like with synodic cycles it's it's part of this sort of proto astrology you know proto-horoscopic astrology anyway you know before there was horoscopic astrology there was just that sort of omen type of astrology and things like recurrence transits and synodic cycles were probably part of how that was done you know it's a reasonable inference to make.
是的是的，就像会合周期一样，它是这种原始占星术的一部分。你知道，在有宫位占星术之前，只有那种预兆类型的占星术。而像重现、过境和会合周期这样的东西，很可能是当时进行占星的一部分。这样推测是合理的。
Yeah absolutely and that you know retrogrades for example especially with visible planets are something that they were paying attention to in the sky because you literally see one of the planets like let's just say especially a fast moving one like mercury or Venus or Mars slows down and then suddenly spends an inordinate amount of time let's say in a conjunction with a slower moving planet like Jupiter or Saturn. or what have you it extends extends and emphasizes that transit which in this context we understand why that can be even more important because of how it can relate back to the natal signature that different people have in their birth charts yeah there was a great example of that at the end of last year 2024 mercury went retrograde in Sagittarius while Jupiter was in Gemini which makes a mutual reception but because mercury went retrograde in Sagittarius you had like six seven weeks like from late November to early January of mercury in Sagittarius Jupiter in Gemini and that that a really extended mutual reception between those two planets and it was interesting to watch yeah definitely.
当然，在天空中，他们特别关注那些可见行星的逆行现象。例如，我们可以看到一颗行星，特别是像水星、金星或火星这样移动速度较快的行星，突然减速，然后在与像木星或土星这样移动较慢的行星的合相（位置接近）中停留很长时间。这个过程延长并强调了这种星象过境。在这种情况下，我们可以理解为什么这会变得更加重要，因为它可能与不同人的出生星图特征相关。
去年年底有一个很好的例子，2024年水星在射手座逆行，而同时木星在双子座，这形成了一个互容的状态。但由于水星在射手座逆行，从11月底到1月初的六七周内，水星一直在射手座，而木星在双子座。这导致这两个行星之间的互容被大大延长。观察这一现象非常有趣，确实是这样。
Let's see this a lot of this I've said a few times but it's been teaching me things about the nature of certain planets individually but also especially certain planetary combinations which I found fascinating and I found educational because it's giving an access point for understanding what the planets mean which is independent of other conceptual or like mythological or other types of things that astrologers sometimes use as access points to understand the planets this is a much more direct empirical way of understanding planetary combinations and the significations and symbolism of the planets like almost anything I've ever seen before there's something about it that just feels different and gives me a much more empirical and direct sense of the planetary meaning and that's something that that excites me from a research and studying standpoint yeah.
让我来看看，这里面有许多我之前提到过的内容，但这些内容让我对某些行星的本质有了新的认识，特别是对某些行星组合的理解让我感到着迷，同时也让我获益良多。因为它提供了一种理解行星意义的新途径，这种方式独立于天文学家有时用作理解行星的其他概念或神话等方式。这是一种更直接、更实证的方法来理解行星组合以及行星的符号意义，这几乎是我之前从未见过的。这里面有些东西让人感觉不同，它让我对行星的意义有了更实证、更直接的理解，这也是让我从研究和学习的角度感到兴奋的地方。
I've often said this to clients when I'm pointing things like this out you know when we're learning astrology we learn a language we learn the archetypal language that is it gives us the the ability to communicate a universal idea but make it feel very personal to everyone at once but when you when you start getting into this kind of astrology you're really transcending that level of universality and you're really getting down to what a particular planetary combination means to the individual you know it becomes something very specific there's nothing symbolic about it it'll happen to fit itself into this larger symbolic scheme but for that individual person these combinations mean real things real experiences real people real aspirations all that stuff and and that's exactly I mean you're right when you're looking at them this way it allows you to get past that that archetypal level where you're trying to look at something that applies to everyone at once and and you know narrowing it down to what does this combination mean to this person right.
我经常对客户说，当我指出类似事情时，你知道，当我们学习占星术时，我们是在学习一种语言，一种原型语言。这种语言让我们能够表达一个普遍的理念，并使每个人都有一种个人化的感受。但是，当你开始深入研究这种类型的占星术时，你实际上是在超越这种普遍性，真正接触到某个特定行星组合对个人的意义。它变得非常具体，并不只是象征性的东西。虽然它可能适应于更大的象征体系中，但对这个人来说，这些组合意味着真实的事情、真实的经历、真实的人和真实的愿望等等。正是因为这样，你才能在研究这种组合时超越原型层面，那时你是在试图找出这对每个人的普遍适用性，然后聚焦到这个组合对这个人究竟有何意义。
And it's like who has this natal combination of planets in their birth chart and then what happened to those people when those combinations re-occurred as a filtering mechanism and then you could filter it further by saying what happened when that recurred and there was also a retrograde and so on and so forth but it starts getting very you could you could rebuild your entire understanding of what the planets mean in astrology just from using this technique and you would get to the same or a very similar place to where astrologers already have gotten just from their own empirical understanding of the planets in certain planetary alignments but it's a fascinating way where you could rebuild everything from scratch if you needed to with just basic basic principles yeah.
这段话的大意是，首先查看谁的出生星盘中有这种行星组合，以及当这些组合再次出现时，那些人经历了什么作为一种筛选机制。接着，你可以进一步筛选，比如当这些组合再次出现且有逆行时发生了什么，等等。通过这种方法，你可以重新构建对行星在占星术中意义的理解。这样，你最终会达到与占星师通过他们对特定行星排列的经验认识所得出的结论相同或相似的结果。这是一种很有趣的方法，即便从零开始，只用基本原则就可以重建整个占星体系。
Yeah and and yeah you can fathom like for instance the you know Jupiter Saturn Pluto for a Megan Markle or Beyonce can mean wildly different things we we have a sort of code where we can attribute a certain number of traits or descriptions to both but ultimately they're they're these very specific individual meanings and it's really like the life itself delineates the chart and this is where the recurrence trends it's really do that the you know it's the transit that tells you what the planetary combination means not what some astrologer interpreting it says it is it's like the thing itself you know whatever it was a car accident a wedding that's what that combination means right absolutely.
是的，你可以想象，比如说木星、土星、冥王星对于梅根·马克尔或碧昂斯可能意味着截然不同的事情。我们有一种代码，可以将某些特征或描述赋予这两个人，但最终，它们有非常具体的个人意义。实际上，生活本身决定了星盘的意义。关键在于行星的运行，这才真正揭示了行星组合的含义，而不是某个占星师对它的解释。就像那些事件本身，比如车祸或婚礼，就是这些组合的含义，对吧？这是毫无疑问的。
Yeah and it's like you could you could bypass even the entire long two three thousand four thousand year tradition of astrology of accumulated astrologers contributing observations of what they think the planets mean and you could like rebuild everything from scratch if you wanted to get a fresh understanding and in some ways that would be valuable but in other ways you'd actually end up coming back to where you started which is that astrologers have been doing this for such a long time we actually have figured out the planetary meanings pretty well and this technique actually demonstrates that in pretty concrete ways yeah I agree I agree.
是的，这就像你可以绕过整个两三千年甚至四千年的占星传统，忽视所有积累的占星家关于行星意义的观察结果，如果你想获得全新的理解，你可以从头开始重建一切。某些方面来说，这样做可能有价值，但另一方面，最终你可能会回到原点。因为占星家们已经做了这么长时间的研究，实际上他们对行星的意义已经有相当深入的理解，某种程度上，这种技术以非常具体的方式证明了这一点。我同意，我同意。
Yeah so you mentioned consultations and before I forget I wanted to mention that because you do consultations using this technique and I really want to if people are curious about it or want to see it applied in their chart or need some help understanding the application that's something you're available to do for consultations and I definitely recommend you for consultations because I don't know anybody you know obviously there's nobody else that I know in the world who's been using this technique as extensively and knows how to use it in a consulting setting as effectively as you because you're the one that's been working on this for most of your career at this point isn't astrologer.
好的，你提到咨询服务，我差点忘了提到这一点。因为你在咨询中运用了这种技术，如果有人对此感兴趣，想看到它在他们的星盘上的应用，或者在理解应用上需要帮助，你可以提供这方面的咨询服务。我强烈推荐你，因为在我认识的人中，没有其他人像你这样广泛地使用这项技术，并且能在咨询中如此有效地运用它。你在你的职业生涯中，大部分时间都在研究这个，不愧是一位出色的占星师。
Yeah yeah I have I mean that class with Michael was in 1999 and I just got right down to researching them you know a lot and yeah I gave that talk at UAC in 2012 I think in 2016 because of the whole Hillary thing I got a bit like you know I got I burned myself obviously I redeemed that a bit but you know this last one since then yeah but yeah you know you got to lose to know how to win I suppose but there you go I mean even that that's what's actually really important to me you know the the the shame of getting a prediction wrong is fairly minor because what's really important is for you and your viewers to understand what I was thinking when I made the mistake.
是的，是的，我理解，我在1999年和Michael一起上的那堂课之后，就开始认真研究那些东西。我在2012年的时候在UAC发表了演讲，我想是2016年因为希拉里那件事我有点，在某种程度上燃烧了自己，显然我后来有所弥补，但从那之后，我觉得最后的这一件事情，但你知道，正如人们常说，你必须经历失败才能学会如何成功。对我来说，重要的是，即使是犯错的羞愧也只是小事，真正重要的是让你和你的观众了解我犯错时的思路。
Like like they're what you know like oh you you made the wrong call but you know everyone understands why or hopefully understands you know what my thinking was in doing that so that to my mind is just as as far as getting something everyone understands why I made the call I did you know right yeah that it was it's like we learn from every prediction that we make I mean if you're if you're good astrologer if you're like conscious you recognize mistakes and you learn something from them and that's the only way you grow and learn as astrologers by doing that and having that self-reflection and then building on that which is is really cool.
就像是，你知道，他们会觉得哦，你做出了错误的决定，但大家都会理解为什么，或者希望能理解我的想法。所以对我来说，关键是要让大家明白我为什么那么做，对吧。我们从每次预测中学习，尤其是如果你是一个优秀的占星师，有意识地认识到错误并从中学习。这也是我们成长和进步的唯一途径，通过这种自我反思并在此基础上不断改进，这真的是很棒的。
So but you do consultations your website is niktiginvestestrologer.com right niktiginvestestrologer.com absolutely I'm available for consultations rectification and yeah I mean recurrence trans it's it's they're not something I you know look out for specifically they just they present themselves all the time all the time in any number of you know consultation circumstances yeah it's one of those things that goes to a point that's like recurring less than about like if you know what to look for there's things in astrology that are doing like crazy impressive things but sometimes you have to know what to look for like your eyes have to be open to something.
好的，所以你提供咨询服务，你的网站是 niktiginvestestrologer.com，对吧？是的，我的网站是 niktiginvestestrologer.com。我确实提供咨询、校正等服务。关于重复出现的事件，我并不是特别去寻找它们，它们总是在各种咨询情况下自然而然地出现。这个现象本身就像一种循环。如果你懂得如何观察，会在占星术中发现一些很神奇的现象，但有时候你需要知道去发现些什么，需要睁开双眼去留意这些事物。
And if there can be things where if it doesn't fit like your paradigm of how you think things work you can not quite get it and I think that was one of the blocks that I had for a long time is it not quite fitting the paradigm of how I learned what transits are but one of the things that we've done here today is sort of expand the definition of what transits are in a sense and what they can be and I hope yeah I think that'll be a useful contribution to contemporary transit theory and contemporary predictive work using transits in astrology from this point forward.
如果某些事情不符合你对事物运作方式的理解，你可能很难理解它们。我长时间以来的一个障碍就是，我过去学到的关于“过境”的概念不太契合我的理解方式。但是，今天我们在这里做的一件事情就是在某种意义上扩展了“过境”的定义及其可能性。我希望这会对当代的过境理论和利用过境进行占星预测的工作带来有益的贡献，从此刻起推动这方面的发展。
Yeah absolutely I it's funny to me you know when I was taking that class with Michael Michael had this fantastic library the Joanna Shannon library in his office and in New York City and I was reading all these astrology books during that time I was with him because you know that library was there I could take new books out every week and I most certainly did but when I left Michael's class and I left New York I basically put you know largely put reading astrology books behind me you're fine work of course notwithstanding from that point on from 2000 onward I really made a point to just work on my database do my own research do make my own observations and and build my knowledge base from from what I was finding rather like I felt I had just I had exhausted what I could get from books you know and I really needed to if I wanted to grow as an astrologer I had to go out there and see these you know see see the astrology myself.
当然，确实如此。这让我觉得很有趣。你知道，当我在纽约和迈克尔一起上课时，他办公室里有一个叫做乔安娜·香农图书馆的绝佳图书馆。在那段时间里，我因为有了这个图书馆，每周都能借阅新的占星术书籍，所以我经常这样做。但是当我结束了迈克尔的课离开纽约后，除了你的出色作品外，我基本上不再阅读占星术书籍了。从2000年起，我真的下决心专注于整理我的数据库，做自己的研究，进行个人观察，从中建立自己的知识库。我觉得我已经从书籍中获取了我能得到的一切，如果我想在占星学方面成长，就必须亲自去探索这些东西。
Yeah absolutely and yeah shout out again once again to Michael and yeah to think of him and to give him credit as your original teacher who passed this down to you. and yeah to give a shout out to him in terms of his memory and commemorating him on this day you know one one year since he passed away tomorrow it's a credit to him where I was rewatching like a workshop that he did from 2017 on like predictive techniques and I was reminded where that he was a he was more he was he was oriented towards psychological astrology and he thought that was very important and that was where his emphasis was but I was surprised in rewatching this predictive techniques workshop that he was also very grounded in you know real predictive astrology as well and that there's elements of modern astrology of 20th century astrology that had some very strong predictive elements.
当然，绝对是这样的。而且我要再次向Michael致敬，感谢他作为你的原始老师，将这些知识传授给你。今天，我们在他去世一周年之际，通过回忆和纪念他，向他致以敬意。昨天我重看了他在2017年关于预测技术的一个讲座，这让我又想起他。他更加倾向于心理占星学，并认为这非常重要，这是他关注的重点。然而，在重看这个预测技术的讲座时，我很惊讶地发现，他对实际的预测占星学也有深入的研究。20世纪的现代占星学中，有一些很强的预测元素，而他对这些也很有见地。
And while a lot of the emphasis of my career and a lot of the excitement over the past 20 or 30 years has been around going back to ancient astrology and recovering a more let's say pure form of predictive astrology you know there's a lot of great stuff from from modern contemporary astrology as well that needs to be reunited with the ancient traditions and you know arguably this is probably something that's that's been in some of the ancient traditions potentially or could have been conceivably that others have noticed stuff like this long ago and like maybe there's some Babylonian astrology from like 3000 years ago that's like rolling our eyes at us right now saying like you're just rediscovering this now like this is this is a new thing to you.
在我的职业生涯中，过去二三十年里，我主要关注的是回到古代占星术，并努力恢复一种更“纯粹”的预测占星术形式。然而，现代占星术也有很多很棒的内容，这些内容需要与古老的传统重新结合。可以说，在古代传统中，可能就已经存在这种融合，或者很久以前就已经有人注意到类似的事情。比如可能有一些三千年前的巴比伦占星术正在“翻白眼”看着我们，说：“你们现在才重新发现这些，这对你们来说是件新鲜事吗？”
But I think it's just important that there there there was good work done in 20th century astrology just like there was good work done in ancient astrology and that's one of the reasons why in the conclusion to my book and the final page of my book I encourage people not to give into fundamentalism because there's something valuable to be learned from all of the different traditions whether it's like ancient astrology versus modern astrology whether it's you know whatever other divisions that we have in the astrological community like whole sign versus quadrant houses there's validity to both tropical versus sidereal astrology like there's things to be drawn from both there's all these different ways in which I've tried to emphasize in that work.
我认为，20世纪的占星学取得了重要的成就，而古代占星学也同样做出了卓越的贡献。这就是为什么在我书的结论和最后一页里，我鼓励人们不要陷入教条主义的原因。无论是古代占星学还是现代占星学，都有值得学习的东西。在占星学界的其他分歧中，例如整宫制和象限宫制、热带占星和恒星占星，每种方法都有其合理性。我在这本书中努力强调，从各个不同的传统中都有值得借鉴的地方。
And even though my passion became ancient astrology I've also tried to demonstrate through this podcast the usefulness and validity and the importance of being open to all different styles of astrology to learn something from and I hope this is another instance of that where we've learned some valuable things today in this interesting fusion of like modern and ancient astrology that we've kind of demonstrated here.
即使我的热情在于古代占星术，我也一直尝试通过这个播客来展示不同占星风格的实用性、有效性以及保持开放心态的重要性。希望这次也是一个例子，通过我们这里展示的现代与古代占星术的有趣结合，我们今天学到了一些有价值的东西。
Yeah I no matter what if you know even if you're really set on a certain kind of path with your study of astrology I encourage anyone to always branch out as much as possible even just in a casual curious you know absorbing kind of probing investigation into what other people are doing you know don't don't get stuck in your lane even if you have a lane that you always go back to you know get out there and and look at things in different ways it is important especially you know to be able to break out of certain sort of systemic ways of thinking.
无论如何，即使你在学习占星术时非常坚持某种特定的路径，我都鼓励每个人尽可能地多拓展。即便只是出于好奇进行的随意探索，也去了解一下其他人在做什么。不要局限在自己的小圈子里，即使你有一个一直坚持的方向，也要尝试走出去，用不同的方式看待事物。这非常重要，特别是为了能够突破某种系统化的思维方式。
You know like like yeah and and challenge every preconception you have. I mean that's a big part of developing your astrological mind is you know having some pet idea of getting really enthusiastic about it and then destroying it it doesn't work and moving on or trying to destroy it and it doesn't and then you know you've got something more robust so yeah you're meant to keep growing if you're going to get good at this yeah and it's okay to research widely and then to pick a lane and to really specialize in something and be able to be proficient in that but also feel like you can defend that as this is my approach and I think this really works.
你知道，就是要挑战你所有的先入之见。这是培养占星思维的重要部分。你可能对某个想法非常感兴趣，然后发现它行不通，就要摧毁它，再继续前进；或者你试图推翻它，但它依然成立，那么你就有一个更稳固的基础。所以说，如果你想提高水平，你需要不断成长。广泛地研究是没问题的，然后选择一个方向，深入专攻某一领域，并能够自信地说这就是我的方法，而且我认为这真的有效。
It's just valuable also I think it's really important to also be able to be able to recognize the the assumptions or the paradigms that you have adopted and how sometimes you can you can step outside of that and understand you know what is the paradigm that another astrologer is adopted and to be able to look at that and step outside of that sometimes to understand where different astrologers are coming from and even if you don't agree or even if you're not on board with certain techniques or what have you understanding the the value in different approaches and different ways of speaking this language of astrology that we all speak even if we use different like dialects or different versions of that language.
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这也是非常有价值的，我认为非常重要的是能够识别你所采纳的假设或思维模式，并且有时可以跳出这些框架，理解另一位占星师采用的思维模式。这种能力使你能够站在不同的立场来理解其他占星师的观点，即便你不完全同意，或对某些技术不感兴趣，也能领会到不同方法的价值。我们说着同一种占星语言，尽管使用的方言或版本不同，但在这种多样性中融会贯通仍是非常有价值的。
Yeah I mean ultimately this is what astrology represents is the greatest generalizations until the the most minute individual you know uh uh uh uh uh slices of that you know like everything from the macro the very macro to the very micro um and and so with that in mind yeah you know it no matter how much you know about astrology you still just know this like sort of one version of it, this one perspective of it. You know, it really is something that virtually, certainly every ancient culture had some form of astrology, not everyone devised it into a horoscopic system or what have you, but everyone had some kind of astrology.
我的意思是，归根结底，占星术代表了从非常宏观到非常微观的最大概括。不论你对占星术了解多少，你其实也只是了解其中的一个版本，一个视角。实际上，几乎每个古代文化都有某种形式的占星术。虽然并不是每个文化都将其发展成了星座系统或其他复杂形式，但每个文化都存在某种形式的占星。
And it always spoke to them and it was always true in the way that astrology is. So there is something, you, I'm always trying to get to that universal thing. And maybe that's part of what drew me into the Babylonian ideas to be able to look at things in that really essential way. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and it's like, there's this code that is underlying our universe and it's underlying our reality. And it's like out there doing stuff.
这总是对他们有吸引力，而且就像占星术一样，总是有它的真实性在里面。所以我一直在努力触及那种普世的东西。这也许是让我对巴比伦思想感兴趣的部分原因，因为它让我能够从非常本质的角度去看待事物。是的，确实如此。这就像在我们的宇宙和现实中，有一套隐藏的密码在起作用。
And I saw like this discussion very briefly is watching like that, Neil deGrasse Tyson video briefly where they dis astrology. And they make that like the thumbnail and stuff to draw in viewers. But like earlier in the discussion before they got to astrology, they had this brief digression about like simulation theory and the idea of like the idea, the theory, like what if this is like a very advanced simulation that we're all living in? And that was so funny because like he was treating that as a possibility.
我看到一个谈话视频，里面非常简短地提到了看Neil deGrasse Tyson的视频，那个视频批评占星术。他们用这个作为缩略图和其他东西来吸引观众。但在他们进入占星术话题之前，这个讨论早些时候有一个简短的插曲，讲的是关于模拟理论和这个假设：如果我们生活在一个非常先进的模拟中会怎么样？这很有趣，因为他把这个当作一个可能性来看待。
It was like, you know, we can't rule that out. That's actually possible that we're living in a simulation. And he's like, but unfortunately, it's like there's no way to know that because there's no way to see we'd have to see the code underlying reality. And ironically, I was just thinking the irony that astrology, which he later would reject because of different reasons, but he rejects just sort of out of hand.
这句话的意思是说，“你知道的，我们不能排除这个可能性。我们有可能真的生活在一个模拟世界中。但不幸的是，我们没办法知道，因为我们无法看到组成现实的代码。讽刺的是，我刚刚想到，他后来因为其他原因而拒绝占星术，只是简单地不再相信。”
And I've never in interviews seen him to have more than a passing surface level familiarity with it. So of course, you would reject the surface level of what you're not that familiar with. But I always think it's so fascinating that in instances like that, like astrology would be like one of the most compelling arguments of something like simulation theory because it's literally showing this like code that's operating underlying the events and everybody's lives and world events and interrelationships between people. And it's showing that things are more interconnected.
在面试中，我从未见过他对这方面有超过表面层次的了解。所以很自然地，他会排斥自己不太熟悉的表面内容。但我总是觉得很有趣的是，在这种情况下，类似占星术这样的东西其实是模拟理论的一种最具吸引力的论点之一，因为它实际上展示了一个像代码一样的东西，这个代码作用于事件、每个人的生活、世界大事以及人与人之间的关系。这表明事物之间的联系更加紧密。
And there is, you know, the ancient word for describing this, let's say, quote unquote, using modern language, this code or this, let's say, language is fate. Like that was the ancient way of conceptualizing that was the term fate, which meant like an ordering and sequence and interconnection of events. And it's the reason underlying why certain events are interconnected in this very strange and mysterious but but important way. And that's what ancient astrologers always conceptualize themselves doing with astrology is that they were studying fate and that fate is the interconnections underlying our reality that's connecting together events that appear disconnected, but are actually connected in these very interesting ways.
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古代用一个词来描述这种现象，用现代表达的话，可以称之为代码或者语言，这个词就是“命运”。 那是古人用来概念化这种现象的方式，“命运”这个词代表了一种事件的顺序、排列和相互连接，以及为何某些事件以一种奇妙而神秘但又重要的方式相互关联的原因。 古代占星家一直认为他们通过占星术所研究的就是命运，而命运就是在我们现实中起作用的联系，将看似无关的事件以非常有趣的方式连接在一起。
And so I'm not like fully advocating for simulation theory necessarily. I want to do a separate episode talking about at some point and just talking about different ways that you could conceptualize astrology. If you wanted to try to like put a broader philosophical model on it. And I think that's one that you could use, but there's also of course others. But you know, I think there's no way. You know what I find funny about what I find funny about that is the reason he can't see astrology as being that code.
因此，我并不是完全在支持模拟理论。我想在某个时候专门制作一期节目来谈论这个话题，并讨论一些不同的方法来理解占星术。如果你想为占星术加上一个更广泛的哲学模型，我认为这是一个可以使用的方式，但当然还有其他方法。不过，我认为这不太可能。你知道我觉得有趣的是，他之所以不能将占星术视为那种代码，这一点让我觉得很有趣。
It's the same thing we had this conversation in that secret episode, secret astrology podcast episode we did. The scientists can't they think that we think that the planets are making us do things. They think astrologers believe that planets influence us. I don't think I've met an astrologer who thinks planets influence us. Or I mean maybe you know people have random theories, but no hard conviction. The planets are mirroring what we do, but I don't know any astrologer who actually thinks that we're being compelled to act by the planets.
我们在那期秘密的占星播客节目中讨论过同样的事情。科学家们无法理解，他们以为我们认为是行星在推动我们做事情。他们认为占星师相信行星在影响我们。不过，我还没见过哪个占星师真正相信行星影响我们。也许有人有一些随意的理论，但没有人有坚定的信念认为如此。行星只是反映了我们的行为，我不认识任何一个占星师真的相信我们是被行星迫使去行动的。
If there is some kind of mechanism involved, it would be a mechanism that is turning the planets and turning us, but it isn't the planets turning us so to speak. Yeah, no, just simply that. If there is a mechanism involved, the planets aren't the mechanism. The planets are also you know being turned by the mechanism as we are if that is in fact what's going on. But that's why he can't see it as code because he doesn't think of it as being. If he could, if someone could just you know point that out, then it could be more you know feasible for them to consider.
如果涉及某种机制，那将是一个让行星和我们运转的机制，但这并不是说行星在带动我们。是的，就是这样。如果有一个机制存在，行星并不是这个机制的一部分。如果真是那样的话，行星也像我们一样被这个机制带动。这就是为什么他不能把它看作代码，因为他并不认为它是这样的。如果有人能够指出这一点，那么他们可能更容易接受和考虑这个观点。
But I think they just can never get over that hump of they think we think the planets are making us do these things. Right. Yeah, I think that's really that's true. That's a good point. That is the stumbling block that causes a lot of people to reject astrology outright rather than looking to see what astrologers actually are doing and thinking and the majority of contemporary Western astrologers for the past century do believe that the planets are coinciding with or correlating with the celestial movements are correlating with earthly events, but not that they're directly causing it.
我觉得他们无法摆脱的障碍是，他们认为我们相信行星在驱使我们做这些事情。这真的是个好点子。这个障碍导致许多人直接拒绝占星术，而不是去了解占星学家实际上在做些什么。实际上，过去一个世纪以来，大多数当代西方占星学家认为行星的运动与地球上的事件是同步或有相关性的，但并不认为行星直接导致这些事件。
And you know there are I try to remain I've tried to remain more open because that's my conceptualization of astrologers you're describing and has been for a long time now. I still I try to remain open because of the mercurial nature of astrology of mercury being the ancient ruler of astrology that usually when there is a dichotomy between two sides of astrology that usually it's like a both situation like I was explaining before.
你知道，我一直努力保持开放的态度，因为这是我对占星师的概念化想法，并且已经持续很长时间了。我仍然努力保持这种开放，因为占星术中有许多变化无常的因素，比如水星，它是古老的占星术之主。当占星术中出现两种对立的观点时，通常这两者是可以共存的，就像我之前解释的那样。
So I've tried to remain more open in recent years that perhaps there are different some like causal mechanisms at play that could be relevant. But for the most part I'm on the same pages you that that it's happening more through something like synchronicity or through a correlation and that it's more like a code that's underlying reality where the planets are like mirror mirroring things that are happening down here in this mysterious way that astrologers don't you know frankly don't fully understand yet and haven't worked out the entire system in terms of the like broader cosmological implications of what this means.
近年来，我努力变得更加开放，承认可能存在不同的因果机制，这些机制可能具有相关性。但大体上，我和你的看法一致，认为这更像是通过某种同步性或关联性在发生。这就像是现实背后的一种代码，行星以一种神秘的方式反映着地球上发生的事情，而占星家实际上还没有完全理解这种现象，也没有理清其更广泛的宇宙学意义。
But we have like found a lot of very compelling techniques that show the result of whatever it is that's behind the astrology that's doing that and this is one of those techniques where you can use it and operate this weird like advanced technology in order to see things in the future that you shouldn't otherwise be able to see. But we actually do need help from other smart individuals like you. know Neil deGrasse Tyson who I wish we could have those conversations with in order to get more help integrating the implications of astrology into the broader cosmological frameworks that have been developed you know by contemporary scientists and physicists and things like that and you know that's what people like Ptolemy were like back in the day or people like Kepler or Galileo or other people like that is like these very smart scientists but that we're also seeing astrology working and operating and we're doing their best to reconcile it with the contemporary scientific paradigms at the time and that's part of what the next step is going to be for us and for the astrological community is to do that with the prevailing scientific paradigms of our time but we have to do the groundwork first in understanding how astrology works and this is a key key moment in that because it's really getting to the heart of one of the most important techniques in astrology which is transits and expanding our understanding of how it can work and what it can do.
我们发现了许多非常吸引人的技术，这些技术展示了占星术背后某种力量的结果。这些技术之一能够让我们用一种奇特的先进科技来看见未来那些我们平常不该能看到的事情。不过，我们确实需要像你这样的聪明人提供帮助，比如尼尔·德格拉斯·泰森，我希望我们能和他进行对话，以便更好地将占星学的影响整合到由当代科学家和物理学家发展起来的广泛宇宙框架中。过去的托勒密、开普勒或伽利略等人正是在这种情况下工作，他们既是非常聪明的科学家，也看到过占星术的运作，并尽力使其与当时的科学范式相协调。我们和占星学界的下一步就是与我们这个时代的主流科学范式进行整合，但我们首先需要进行基础研究，弄清楚占星术如何运作。这是一个关键的时刻，因为它真正触及了占星术中最重要的技术之一——行星过境，并扩展了我们对它的运作方式和作用的理解。
Yeah very well said. Yeah and it's like I've always thought that transits was the most compelling way to demonstrate astrology in the first place that I wish more skeptics of astrology looked into because I think it's the part where astrology gets really compelling and doesn't become... Yeah it's not as like subjective in terms of subjective you know character analysis or what have you where you have this element of subjectivity with this there is this much more objective component I think that's much more compelling. Yeah it gets it gets more to the the idea of astrology being this map of time once you're looking at transits that's really you know coming alive as opposed to if you just have the nativity well that's just this one slice of time it's like a photograph as opposed to you know a nepec movie so that's yeah that's always been from day one transits were what drew me into astrology what proved astrology to me so to speak it was looking through an ephemeral and really piecing that together that was really how it spoke to me so yeah it always astonishes me when I've come across astrologers who say yeah transits man's it's you know it's all in the natal chart just you look at the natal chart I'm sure that's true at some level but I've always just been too compelled to think otherwise I guess.
很好，说得很对。我一直认为行运是展示占星术最引人入胜的方式，我希望更多对占星术持怀疑态度的人能去研究一下。因为我觉得这部分是占星术最吸引人的地方，而且不像主观的人物分析等，因为这些有主观性，而行运则有更客观的成分，这点更具吸引力。一旦你开始研究行运，它就让占星术作为时间地图的概念鲜活起来，而不仅仅是出生图那样的固定时间片段。出生图更像一张照片，而行运则像一部记录片。从一开始，行运就是吸引我进入占星术的原因，并且在某种程度上"证明"了占星术对我的吸引力。通过查阅星历表并拼凑信息，这是行运最能打动我的地方。所以每当我遇到那些说行运没什么意思，只看本命盘的占星师时，我总是感到惊讶。我相信，在某种程度上本命盘确实重要，但我总是被行运深深吸引，让我忍不住持不同观点。
Yeah absolutely um all right my friend I was looking at my other points but they're just reiterations of things we've said many times here so I think we might be good and I think we are coming towards the end of this so thank you so think we have like a five-hour episode or something don't worry okay let's turn into another epic legendary episode but I'm okay with that because this is like you know our life's work and and this especially I say this a lot I've said there's a lot over the past couple of years of episodes you and I have done but I think this is one of the most important episodes in the history of the podcast and um yeah I think I I stand by that because this is really good thank you for teaching me this technique you're my my teacher of this technique thank you also for your your patience with me as a um you know reluctant student of of this technique over the years but I have I came along I caught up eventually it just took 20 years I think of us us talking and everything but I hope I've made it up to you by us today putting this together and you know putting my own research of charts into this to help share this technique with the world together it feels really special to me and I'm glad we we got a chance to do this.
好的，当然，我的朋友，我刚刚在看其他要点，但它们其实只是我们之前多次讨论过的内容的重申，所以我觉得我们差不多可以结束这一段对话了。我觉得我们大概有了一个五小时的节目，不用担心。可能这会变成另一个史诗般的传奇节目，但我对此没意见，因为这就像是我们的生命工作。我过去几年在节目中多次提到过这些东西，而我认为这可能是这个播客历史上最重要的一期。我真的相信这一点，因为这期做得非常好。感谢你教会我这项技巧，你是我的这项技巧的老师，同时也感谢你多年来对我的耐心，因为我一直对这项技巧比较迟疑。不过我最终还是赶上来了，只是花了20年时间进行这些讨论。我希望通过我们今天的一起合作，结合我自己对图表的研究，这对分享这一技巧有所贡献，我希望我能补偿你。对我而言，这真的很特别，我很高兴我们有机会一起做这件事。
I couldn't agree more brother um you know it's the funny thing it's true 20 years ago you and I were were parallel you know we we were both like on these on our own path and we were both like oh yeah you're good I like your path you you enjoy that path I'm on my path um and now it's 20 years later and we're both very like far more familiar with the other guys path with what was the other guys paths 20 years ago we're we're far more like each other than we were when we first met as a as astrologers in terms of what our focus is yeah sure that back in the day Patrick was you know kind of amazing because he knew all your stuff and all my stuff and so he was this sort of like Liebren bridge between it all our love child we used to call him but um and and you know Patrick has still dazzling me to this day with with you know where he goes with his his that that mind of his but you and I have caught up to where Patrick was where you know there's more of a sort. of a broader grasp of things and it's not just this one little wheelhouse that uh we we keep you know um tinkering with obsessively so yeah we're it's it's really the speaking to you this way also it helps me gauge like my growth your growth um you know where we where we've come in these 20 years yeah absolutely I love that you're right what because Patrick took had like my love of like Sadiq releasing and like your love of recurrence transits and and synodic cycles and things like that and he's been synthesizing that for years and now the two of you have been two of us have been catching up and coming back to the the same place yeah exactly you and I are becoming more Patrick like in that way uh yeah yeah yeah totally right on well um thank you brother it's been fantastic.
我完全同意，兄弟。你知道，有趣的是这是真的。20年前，你和我走的是平行的道路，我们各自有着自己的方向。那时我们都觉得对方不错，都欣赏对方的道路。可现在，20年后的今天，我们对彼此过去的道路更加熟悉了。在我们第一次作为占星师见面时，和现在相比，我们对彼此的关注点变得更加相似。
确实，当年帕特里克就非常了不起，因为他了解你那一套也了解我这套。所以，他成了我们之间的桥梁，连我们都称他为 "爱的结晶"。帕特里克至今还在用他的才智让我们惊叹不已。而你和我也已经赶上了帕特里克，开始对事物有更广泛的理解，而不仅仅是局限于某一个小领域。
这个交流让我能够评估我们在这20年里的成长，你的成长，我的成长，以及我们的进步。我喜欢你说的，因为帕特里克将我对"萨迪克释放"的热爱与你对“循环、行星过境和会合周期”的热爱结合在一起，并融合了多年。而你我现在也逐渐赶上，变得和帕特里克一样。
的确，我们俩在这一点上也变得更像帕特里克了。嗯，是的，谢谢你，兄弟。这真是太棒了。
Yeah these episodes really um the yeah they they just making them helps uh um helps me grow and get to the next level that I'm trying to get to so thank you always for having me back yeah thank you um all right everybody check out um our two episodes we did on eclipses two years ago eclipses in history check out our Venus retrograde in areas episode and check out our Saturn conjunctum episode because all of those go into other recurrence transits that we didn't hear today but otherwise I think that's it for this episode of the astrology podcast so thanks everyone for watching our listening and we'll see you again next time.
是的，这些节目真的让我感到很嗯，就是它们，它们真的帮助我成长，并让我达到我想要的下一个水平，所以非常感谢你们总是欢迎我回来。好的，请大家查看我们两年前做的关于日食的两集节目，还有关于历史上的日食，以及我们的金星逆行在白羊座的那一集节目，还要看看我们的土星合相节目，因为这些都涉及到我们今天没有讨论到的其他重复出现的过境现象。但除此之外，我想这就是本期占星播客的全部内容，所以感谢大家的观看和收听，我们下次再见。
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很多人经常问我是否有空提供咨询，但遗憾的是，我现在无法提供，因为广播节目占用了我太多时间。不过，我在占星播客网站上创建了一个咨询页面，上面列出了我推荐的占星师供大家咨询。您可以在 theastrologypodcast.com/consultations 找到相关信息。
The astrology software we use here on the podcast is called solar fire for windows which is astrology software for the pc you can get a 15% discount by using the promo code ap15 at the website alab.com for mac users I recommend the software astro gold for macOS which is astrology software for the mac computer made by the creators of solar fire for the pc you can get a 15% discount with the promo code astro podcast 15 through their website at astrogold.io.
我们在播客中使用的占星软件叫做Solar Fire，这是一个适用于Windows的PC占星软件。您可以访问网站alab.com，并使用优惠码ap15享受15%的折扣。如果您是Mac用户，我推荐使用Astro Gold，这是一款适用于macOS的占星软件，由PC端Solar Fire的开发者制作。您可以通过其网站astrogold.io，并使用优惠码astro podcast 15享受15%的折扣。
If you're really looking to deepen your studies of astrology the no direct I recommend sending up for my helenistic astrology course which is an online course in ancient astrology where I take people from basic concepts up through intermediate and advanced techniques for reading birth charts there's over a hundred hours of video lectures plus monthly webinars and Q&A sessions and then at the end of the course you get a certificate of completion saying that you studied with me if you pass the final written test find out more information at the astrology school.com.
如果你真的想深入学习占星学，我强烈推荐报名我的希腊占星学课程。这是一个在线课程，专注于古代占星学，我会带领大家从基础概念一直学习到中级和高级的出生图解读技巧。课程包含超过一百小时的视频讲座，还有每月的在线研讨会和问答环节。课程结束后，如果你通过最终的书面测试，你将获得一张由我亲自授课的结业证书。想了解更多信息，请访问theastrologyschool.com。
Finally shout out to our sponsor for this episode which is the united astrology conference which is happening September 3rd through the 9th 2026 in Chicago find out more information at uacastrology.com.
最后，非常感谢我们本期节目的赞助商——世界占星大会。该会议将于2026年9月3日至9日在芝加哥举行。想了解更多信息，请访问网站uacastrology.com。