Hey, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the Astrology Podcast. In this episode, I'm going to talk about Uranus and Gemini and the United States, and specifically the history of astrologers making predictions about Uranus and Gemini coinciding with major wars in the history of the country over the past few centuries. All right, so right now, I'm recording this today on what is it? It's Monday. No, it's Sunday, July 6, 2025, starting at 8.28 pm in Denver, Colorado, just at sunset before the sun goes down, and it's the eve of Uranus moving into Gemini, which is going to happen later tonight, technically on the 7th of July 2025, but just in a few hours here.
And I've been thinking about this a lot lately, astrologers have been anticipating it. I've been anticipating it for many years, and now we're finally here. So this is a big deal because astrologers for quite some time now have noticed this correlation where every 84 years, when Uranus moves into the sign of Gemini, where it spends for about seven years, the US is involved in a major war, and in fact there's been three major instances of this so far in US history.
So here's a diagram that Madeline decodes from honeycomb.co made for me to help demonstrate this. So the first time in US history that's relevant when Uranus was in Gemini was from 1774 until 1782, and this pretty well coincided with the Revolutionary War when America declared its independence and fought a war of independence from Great Britain. Then 84 years later, when Uranus went through all the other signs of the zodiac and the event that came back around to Gemini, where it was when the country was founded, it was in Gemini from 1858 until 1866, which very nicely coincided with the Civil War.
Then 84 years later, Uranus goes through all the signs and it comes back eventually in a full cycle from 1941 until 1949, which coincided with the US's entry into World War II and the culmination of that war. Then finally 84 years later brings us to now, which is Uranus is going into Gemini tonight and tomorrow July 7th, 2025, and it's going to stay in Gemini until 2033.
So that pattern and that repetition has been known about for as long as I've been in a astrologer, I've been studying astrology since 1999, which is over 25 years now, and I know astrologers have been talking about this and have known about this repetition since at least then, and I've done, we've talked about it many, many times on the podcast over the years, especially on the forecast episodes.
But I've also done two episodes entirely dedicated to studying that pattern in history with my friend Nick Digg and Best. The first one was episode 11 of the astrology podcast back in 2013, and then in 2022, we did an even more detailed treatment of looking at that pattern and that repeating cycle in history. So one of the things that I've been researching lately in order to take stock of this and give some perspective to people in terms of the history of predictions surrounding this cycle is the question of how long have astrologers been aware of these repetitions, and how long have they been making predictions about it, about the future of the US based on this recurring cycle?
And the answer to that question is actually really interesting because it turns out that it goes back to the first repetition and the second repetition, and there's two astrologers, very notable astrologers in US history that I want to talk about today, who made predictions and discussed the return of Uranus to Gemini before or as it was happening, right as the US was on the cusp of first the Civil War, which is the first time an astrologer named Luke Broughton first seems to have noticed and documented and made some predictions about the Civil War based on that.
And then again 84 years later there was an astrologer named Evangeline Adams who was a famous astrologer in America, perhaps the most famous astrologer of her day, and she made a prediction about World War II starting about a decade before it happened based on the Uranus return of the United States, which was impending at that point. So I want to talk about those two and the origins of those predictions and I also want to ground it a little bit in the chart that we look at for the United States and like why that is and then of course talk a little bit about the context towards the end where we find ourselves today.
All right so where do we start? Let's start with the sibling chart of the United States or the birth chart of the United States because I think this is where you have to start in order to understand why this has been the particular manifestation that that it often is for the United States. So the United States in the United States we commonly celebrate the birth of the United States based on the signing of the Declaration of Independence, which is traditionally celebrated on July 4th 1776 and then every year the US holds birthday celebrations on that day. There are different like arguments about what the correct chart is for the United States and whether there's other dates that could be considered or used or especially different rising signs because there's a lot of debate over the correct rising sign for the United States because we don't have an exact record of when the signing of the Declaration of Independence happened on July 4th 1776 but one of the most commonly used charts that I'll talk about and I'll use for the purpose of this is the sibling chart that has Sagittarius rising and my purpose isn't really to get into debates about the time but primarily we're going to focus on just the location of Mars and Uranus in this chart today and the birth time itself is kind of somewhat immaterial.
All right so here is the sibling chart of the United States or the birth chart of the United States set for July 4th 1776. So one of the things that we can see is that Uranus was in Gemini in the birth chart of the United States so that's one of the reasons that it sets up that pattern because that means every 84 years Uranus is going to come back to its needle position when it goes through Gemini but there's something additionally important about that placement that makes it unique besides just Uranus being in Gemini and it's actually the fact that Uranus is conjunct the planet Mars which is also in Gemini at 21 degrees of that sign and although they're kind of far away from each other by degree they're still what I would call co-present in that sign together and therefore their energies are being blended together in a significant way.
So Uranus marzes typically the planet of like war and conflict and division traditionally and going back to ancient times whereas Uranus is relatively newly discovered planet that was discovered a few centuries ago around the time when the United States was founded and as a result of that astrologers over the past couple of centuries have repeatedly seen Uranus and its placement in charts as well as its transits be associated with revolutionary things with sudden urges for freedom and liberation with unexpected changes and sometimes disruptive changes and upsets and things that are like surprising or eccentric or other things like that. So when you put Mars and Uranus together in a chart it can be kind of a volatile combination and this is something I've been talking about on some of the forecast episodes over the past year we just had a Mars Uranus square last month that coincided with a lot of explosions and military actions like an unexpected military action or a surprise attack against Iran from on the part of Israel and the United States and then last summer there were also some explosive things that occurred under a Mars Uranus conjunction in Taurus.
So one of the things about that Mars Uranus conjunction then is it puts this kind of explosive divisive energy right in the birth chart of the United States and on the one hand you know there can be things about the Mars Uranus conjunction that are kind of can be constructive and useful it can be like bold and like risk taking and innovative and some of those things especially innovative when it comes to like new technologies or transportation or communication methods and other things like that are part of that conjunction and there can be some good things that come from it but on the flip side it can also be a very volatile conjunction as well because it can indicate yeah conflict it can indicate unexpected disruptions it can indicate other things of a Martian nature which tend to pertain to war and conflict but it kind of gets amplified and magnified with Uranus and in some ways made more destructive occasionally.
So one of the interesting things about that Mars Uranus conjunction though is that every year when the U.S celebrates its birthday it's unique I think among the countries because in the U.S we have this tradition going back I think to the very first birthday celebration of the U.S where Americans all across the country start setting off fireworks and that's actually a really perfect demonstration of the Mars Uranus conjunction and the pivotal role that it plays in the birth chart which is just like Americans celebrate their independence and they celebrate the birth of their country by like blowing things up and setting off these beautiful and dazzling explosions and stuff but the other night I was watching fireworks on the 4th of July like I do every year and I was looking around from a really high place in my city in Denver and just seeing that like so many hundreds and hundreds of different neighborhoods everywhere I could see were all setting off their own fireworks and then there were other fireworks displays and so I got interested and I looked it up to see if this is like common in other countries or if the U.S. was unique for it and what was coming back was that the U.S. really was unique in terms of the sheer magnitude of the number of like fireworks and explosions that are set off each year on the 4th of July and I think that has a lot to do with that explosive combination that's built into the birth chart of the United States.
All right so Uranus takes 84 years to do a complete cycle through all of the signs of the zodiac and come back to where it started in the birth chart of something so Uranus was first in Gemini during the Revolutionary War and that sets up the basic framework for the country and the United States and it's declaring itself independent from another country and sort of setting the stage innovating in that way but then what happens is about 84 years later Uranus came back and moved into Gemini again from 1858 to 1866 and what's interesting is during that time frame there was an astrologer named Luke Broughton and he was in the 1900s he became one of the most like the leading astrologer in America and one of the most famous astrologers in America and one of the most influential astrologers of his time frame so let me pull up his dates just to give you more information about him.
Luke Broughton lived from 1828 until 1899 and what's interesting about him is that he published an astrological periodical from 1861 until 1869 so that he was basically like publishing this astrological journal or periodical in the decade when the Civil War like the build-up to the Civil War and then eventually during the Civil War itself. So the Civil War itself happened from April of 1861 until April of 1865 and what's interesting is if you read Luke Broughton's journal he's like talking about this right from the very first issue of this journal starting in 1861 that the threat of war is looming over the country and that it seems like it's heading in that direction but in one of the journals in particular it's volume two number two from February of 1861 he has this whole discussion about the planet Uranus and its transits through the sign of Gemini in US history and Luke Broughton as far as I can tell was actually the first astrologer to note this correlation between Uranus and Gemini and major conflicts breaking out in the United States and he partially based some of his predictions about an upcoming war which turned into the Civil War based on that transit of Uranus through Gemini
because one of the things that he talks about in this article and that he could see at the time was how closely the transit of Uranus and Gemini coincided with the Revolutionary War back in the 1700s so looking back about 84 years earlier he could see how close that correlation was and so based on that past correlation he realized that that was what was coming up again in the very near future and that it implied that another major war could be about to take place but what's further interesting about his article is that he actually took it back further in terms of US history and he noted that there was a period in the 1690s when Uranus was transiting Gemini and he has a section into his article talking about different things that were happening at that time that he thought were relevant in his time as well so he pointed out that there was like a conflict that was taking place which is called nowadays it's called King William's War and how this coincided pretty closely with Uranus and Gemini in the 1690s.
He also noted a few other things he noted some things about the laws that were set up during that time frame and how that would end up influencing the later country in terms of the United States and what it would eventually become weirdly he also noticed some anti astrology and anti fortune telling or like witchcraft type laws that were coming up back then with the Salem witch trials and how he was experiencing some anti astrology. Stuff during his time frame so that's one correlation I'm actually a little nervous about because I don't know if that's you know I haven't looked at that correlation very much and I hope that's not recurrence but that was one other thing that I noticed that he picked up on in terms of that time frame.
So let me show really quickly his journal because this is something that's out there in the in online that you can go and read a scan of in order to see how he he talks about it.
让我快速展示一下他的日记,因为这个东西在网上可以找到,你可以去看扫描版,了解他是如何描述这件事的。
All right so here's the journal where he first published this analysis which is again it's from broadens monthly planet reader and astrological journal volume 2 number to published in Philadelphia February 1st 1861 so this is what like two months before the civil war breaks out and he has this whole article about what he calls the planet hersial because back in the early like the first century of after the discovery of Uranus there was some debates about what to call it and some of the astrologers and astronomers called it hersial.
So the article right at the top of the journal is the planet hersial in the sign Gemini and it's just so fascinating at the very beginning of it he says in the January number of the planet reader we stated that the sign Gemini rules the United States and that when the planet hersial entered that sign in 1775 the American revolution broke out and when hersial got nine degrees in Gemini the Americans declared their independence and when hersial got out of that sign and entered cancer in 1782 overtures for peace were made by the British government which were accepted in both nations desisted from hostile measures.
And we went on to show that when hersial entered Gemini again in 1859 that the present difficulties commenced by the Harper's Fairy after breaking out and when hersial got to nine degrees of that sign South Carolina declared her independence and since our last issue there have been other three of the southern states followed at the same followed the same chorus.
So he continues he says as it is said by astrologers that when the planet hersial transits over any particular place in a nativity such as over the 10th house or over the sun's place it produces remarkable changes and unsettledness for that person and likewise when it's traveling through any sign which rules any particular nation or country it produces very remarkable changes and unsettled niche unsettledness in that nation or country it perhaps will not be uninteresting to the reader into the student of astrology to refer back to the time when hersial entered Gemini previous to 1775 which was in the year 1691 to see whether it produced any remarkable effects in this country or at that time or not and to avoid any unfairness or equivocation we will let history speak for itself.
And then he does this long quote from like a history text about the charter being granted to Massachusetts which added Plymouth, Maine and Nova Scotia to the territory and he goes on into this long thing which points out essentially some similarities between even the previous Uranus and Gemini transit before the founding of the United States.
So you know his research partially shows and you can take it back that this goes back to some earlier base birth chart even prior to the United States that the pattern holds up in so that it was something from very early on in the history that's still being carried forward although we can see it especially when it comes to like the current incarnation of the United States as a country in the birth chart itself with that Mars Uranus conjunction with Uranus around eight degrees of Gemini which seems to be a particularly sensitive point especially when Uranus gets back to that degree but really for the entirety of the transit through that sign.
So one of the things I was surprised by is just how he's really identifying the really the entire transit through the sign is being significant and especially the transit to the exact degree but already the concept of the United States being involved in major wars was established by this astrologer right on the cusp of the civil war.
So he's writing when some of the southern states had already seceded and just two months before the war would really fully be going in April of 1861 so you know I don't know if there's other people but before him but as far as I know he seems to be the first astrologer that comes up with this observation and it comes up with it right on the cusp of the civil war which is just incredible because that would become one of the most significant wars in US history and I think that's important because it's not just that the US is involved in a war or any sort of war when the Uranus return happens but it's literally the three most important wars in US history all took place during this transit which is like the revolutionary war the civil war and world war two.
So very occasionally like I'll hear somebody try to dismiss this correlation and say well you know the US was involved in other wars but not to this magnitude and not in terms of this significance where if you ask any historian for the most part what are the three most significant wars in US history it really comes down to these three in particular and while somebody might question like what about world war one you know the US got involved in world war one pretty late like the world war one had been going on for a few years by the time the US even enters it and then world war one ends up wrapping up like a year just about a year after the US gets involved.
So while that was a significant war it wasn't as significant as world war two and in terms of the overall US history and in terms of the impact that it had on the United States as a country these three wars of the revolutionary war the civil war and world war two are just indisputably the most important conflicts in US history so it's incredible to me to see this astrologer discovering this pattern as the US was on the cusp of world war two and then basing some of his predictions about that war that was about to happen on that and and saying and predicting that a war was about to take place.
So that's actually the earliest example I can find in that sets up the precedent of astrologers predicting and noticing this pattern and then based on the historical pattern starting to predict that a major war will occur the next time that Uranus is in Gemini dating back to the beginning of the civil war. All right so the civil war happens and then you fast forward to the 1930s the early 1930s and there was a very famous astrologer in the early 20th century named Evangeline Adams and I've done an entire episode on Evangeline Adams with my friend Christopher Rennstrom and we were basing some of our research on the work of another astrologer named Karen Cristino who's written multiple books about Evangeline Adams and just what a popular and influential astrologer she was in the early 20th century.
So Evangeline Adams lived from 1861 to 1932 and 1932 is important because the year before she died she published a book in the year 1931 that predicted that the US would be involved in a major war starting around 1942 based on the Uranus return of the United States and the book that she wrote this in it was actually in the introduction to her 1931 book Astrology for everyone and I was researching this recently and I read the introduction it been years since I read it and I was blown away by what a like baller move it was when she made this prediction in the introduction to this book because the way that she does it is just absolutely stunning so I'm going to read part of that because it's so impressive and you can kind of get a sense for what I'm talking about.
So at the beginning of the book she has an introduction and this is very much like a general introduction to astrology book so she spends the majority of the introduction like talking about some pretty basic things so she says this book attempts to tell in simple untechnical language what astrology is and how it works and then she introduces like the zodiac signs and their names and then eventually she has this whole long section where she's talking about the birth date date ranges basically for the different sunsines so for example she says if you're born between May 22nd and June 21st you are a Gemini person Gemini is the third sign of the zodiac and is symbolized by the twins its natives are often brilliant versatile flexible and changeable sometimes dilatants often flirts Gemini people are in truth twins castor and polyx and she just goes on and on and introducing all these basic concepts.
So eventually she gets to some of the later pages because the introduction is at least like a dozen pages long maybe maybe twice that and then she starts talking about how the planets move through the science of the zodiac and how you could conceptualize them like the hands of a celestial clock and then she's talking about the planets and she starts talking about the concept of like transits and then what's interesting is that when she starts getting towards the end of this introduction. to this like general book on astrology this basic book on astrology and she writes it really well because she's writing this towards the very end of her life she's a lifelong astrologer and teacher of astrology but also a good like public communicator because she was really somebody who took advantage of like radio and had like a radio show about astrology and was very good at communicating complex concepts in really simple language that's one of the things it really strikes you about especially the introduction to this book.
So she's talking about the movement of the planets through the signs and then she says in this chapter I do not need to describe each of the planets and its effect on mankind these descriptions are given in the next several pages but I do I think she means chapters but I do not wish to leave this subject at this point without giving you one universally known example which will I hope clarify the whole problem that example is the horoscope of the United States she says certainly nations have horoscopes just as people do France was born on such and such a date Italy on another Germany on still another and our own country as every American knows on the 4th of July 1776 all in a astrologer needs to know to draw a horoscope of anybody or anything is this information about their birthday.
It is better of course if she also knows the place and the hour and in these matters too it's possible to achieve scientific accuracy so far as the United States is concerned for its generally accepted and properly so I believe that the life of the American nation dates from that moment in Philadelphia at 303 in the morning when the signers of the Declaration of Independence reached a positive decision to declare to the world their independence of England. So Evangeline Adams uses the what's called the the Gemini Rising Chart for the United States which is almost the exact opposite time as the Sibley Chart because the Sibley Chart is during the day like later in the the afternoon or evening whereas the Gemini Rising Chart is curious because it's at like three o'clock in the morning so this is where some of the debates about like the birth chart of the United States come in and different astrologers have different opinions.
But Luke Broughton I think he used the Sibley Chart but he repeatedly said that Gemini was the means one of the main signatures for the United States so I should I should confirm that because he was certainly emphasizing the sign of Gemini and could see that it was super important for the United States. Evangeline Adams thought it was important not just because of the Mars Uranus conjunction but also because she thought that Gemini was rising in the birth chart of the US so she continues about the US chart the Sun was in cancer with the United States was born but Gemini the third sign of the zodiac was rising as we astrologers say at that moment of birth and is therefore most influential in determining our destiny.
Gemini is itself a very nervous restless versatile and highly mental sign the fact that the United States was born so strongly under its influence would be enough according to astrology to account for much for much which is significant in American character and history but that is not all the ruling planet of the sign Gemini is Mercury the messenger of the gods which governs the mind the imagination and the nerves this combination of celestial influences explains why we are the world's greatest travelers greatest advertisers greatest salesmen and why incidentally we're so subject to the American disease of nerves quote unquote several important and influential planets were in the ascendant at the time this child among nations was born among them Mars Venus and Jupiter.
Mars is not only the god of war but it is the planet which gives ambition initiative courage and aggressiveness it is not difficult therefore to see how this intrepid planet has placed its mark on our countrymen Venus although popularly known as the goddess of love performs many other gracious duties in the astrological scheme of things she governs musicians painters actors and artists in general and surely no modern nation has done more than America to encourage and reward these professions she also governs makers of toilet accessories clothing manufacturers and dealers in articles of adornment all of them activities in which America attained front front rank Jupiter the third of this heavenly trio is the most powerful in the most American.
because it gives honor glory wealth and the most sought after thing in America's success so she's delineating all these planets because in the Gemini rising chart the using quadrant houses Gemini and the cancer planets all fall in like the first house basically okay so now finally she gets to the very last paragraph of the introduction and listen to this it says Uranus the planet which discards worn out customs and forms of government which breaks bonds and often causes astrangements was also rising when our country was born making July 4th 1776 the predestined moment for us to shake off the yoke of monarchy and to set up in the new world a new form of government.
Uranus has also had a market effect on our later national life for it is the planet which rules in inventions in general and electrical inventions in particular fields in which American genius has set a new pace for the world but not all of Uranus's influence is good it is as I have already said the heavenly planet which stirs revolutions and rebellion and it is a fair assumption that whenever it completes its journey through the 12 signs and returns to the sign Gemini ruling the United States a cycle which takes 84 years we may expect trouble of some sort.
Uranus was in Gemini in 1776 and we rebelled against England exactly 84 years later in 1860 Uranus was in Gemini again and we had a war between North the North and the South in 1942 Uranus again enters the sign Gemini but I've said enough at this point to show you how the planets affect both character and destiny and they're never ending progression through the signs and then it's a mic drop moment she ends the introduction and that's it she was writing this in 1931 and she predicted when World War II would happen when the US would enter into World War II which then happened like 10 or 11 years after she published the book and then she died the year after she published this she died in 1932.
So her predicts she didn't even live to see if her prediction would come true but it very much did because basically the the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 and then immediately the US gets involved in World War II shortly after that especially in 1942 so that is a baller move that she actually wrote that in the introduction and I'm so impressed and so yeah it's a really cool like piece of astrological history just to give you some idea of how long astrologers have been using this cycle to not just study history but also to make predictions so super super cool prediction on her part and even the use of like the M-dash is actually pretty pretty funny in in the writing all right so that sets up you know the last time that we experienced this was World War II and it set up a precedent that was just impossible to ignore and by implication you know by the time you get to the late 20th century and the early 21st century you know I knew about this this repetition and I think most astrologers certainly anybody that did mundane astrology or worked with the birth chart of the United States or other things like that knew about this repetition.
And naturally it led one to wonder what would happen the next time you're in this would go into Gemini starting in 2025 and going until 2033 so my friend Nick Digg and best to Nye this is such a like key topic that it was one of the topics that I covered in one of my first episodes of the astrology podcast which was episode 11 of the astrology podcast titled The Astrology of Uranus and the United States which was released on September 16th 2013 and this was an episode where I was interviewing my friend Nick Digg and best about a new book that he had just published called Uranus USA where he went back and studied this repeating pattern of the US being involved in major wars every time Uranus was in Gemini and he demonstrated you know how closely the pattern held up like how well it held up as well as some of the birth charts of different people involved and how Uranus was hitting their birth charts in interesting and important ways in terms of some of the different people that were involved at crucial points like Abraham Lincoln or George Washington or other figures like that because often Uranus would be prominent in the charts of some of these people who were pivotal during the wars.
So I want to play a little bit of a clip from that because in that clip in in the episode it basically culminates after Nick and I talk about the historical recurrence of this transit in the three biggest wars in US history it's sort of naturally at the end we end on Nick basically making a prediction and the inference being that a major war would begin after Uranus moves into Gemini in 2025 sometime during the course of this transit so I'm going to play a clip from that episode now so you could listen to that discussion from 2013 and since this is so long ago early in the history of the astrology podcast I was only doing audio versions of the episodes and I wasn't doing video so I decided to pick out a humorously old picture of me and Nick to go along with some visuals from that time frame although the picture is a little bit older than 2013.
Sure and yet despite that because of some of the clear patterns that you've discovered and because of the similarity of some of the repetitions in terms of the events that tend to coincide with them that does still seem to lead you inevitably to drawing some conclusions about the future when similar alignments or planetary transits will occur for example one that obviously comes up many times near book is Uranus in Gemini and I think it's been on a lot of people's minds for a while now that we're coming up for we're due for another Uranus return in the United States chart and Uranus is not too far from going back into Gemini in just just a few years now.
12 years from now yeah it'll be going it'll be entering Gemini in 2025. Okay I'll say that I mean having just talked about how I'm safe and talking about the history and and and and all this I'll say this I might not have written this book if we had not just gone through if the zeitgeist had not just gone through that whole 2012 my encounter thing because my sense is that you know people people have already you know to the degree that people were going to be freaked out by that kind of thing they've already gone through it so it's a little safer for me to sort of pop up with this astrology book that by no means insists but certainly suggests that the United States would be headed for a sort of a cyclical or thematic return during the cyclical return in other words when Uranus enters Gemini again in 2025 the book at least suggests or anticipates that you know there would be another one of these big wars the result of which by the end in 2033 would see the United States becoming a different country in some fashion redefining itself again as Tom Payne said having in its power to begin the world over again which I think is was was was very prophetic of of Mr. Payne sure when it comes to the country there's no way he could have seen ahead 200 years but well and behold he he's sort of dead sure.
Um yeah and that's I mean the 2012 that's true and and definitely maybe we're in better shape now since everyone perhaps or at least some people are feeling a bit burned by the 2012 hype and the fact that it came and went and and nothing really happened um which I think a lot of people said I mean I I said I think you said a lot of us were trying to be much more cautionary about that because of what a weak sort of astrological argument it was based on um this is a little different though well yeah but I mean you know at the same time that you know the Mayan calendar uh scare was was turned into a big blockbuster Michael Bay movie well that was worth it I mean I enjoyed that that film in terms of disaster films so if that was the main thing that that resulted in then I I appreciate it for that right well I mean it just I mean it's it's um again you know that the something like that movie makes me feel a little safer about putting out my little astrology.
comic book that is that suggests that United States might get into a war first of all I mean United States like like we said earlier is almost always in wars so it's not like that it's not like that fact alone should necessarily be any more troubling to people than it then it then it already is um but the the sort of the the the the the the larger consequences that seem to come out of the war said occur when your honest is in is in Gemini um does it is a little more sort of uh striking and perhaps I mean if you really think about it could be it could be a scary thing or it could be a wonderful thing um but the the wars that I've discussed in this book are are all really horrible events with with just a unthinkable levels of destruction uh but there were you know there was there was reason for optimism at the end of these wars as well they they changed the nation I think in in in ways that I think most people would would agree were really you know positive in the long run even though I unfortunately they had to come at the expense of so many lives sure we're talking about the civil war in World War II yeah and the revolution I mean all three of them you know they were they were bloody they were horrible um a lot of innocent people suffered and there was you know so much so much of it most of it is so needless uh but you know I what once the war is over that there there are always these uh positive consequences coming out.
So I guess I would like I guess I would see desegregation at the end of or during the course of the civil war and yeah World War II seeing the US as the sort of remaining superpower yeah and also of course you know pulling it out of the depression which was um you know pretty important in terms of whether the nation was going to go down the road sure um so I guess what I would say to anyone is if they were going to read my book and get all paranoid about it to to bear in mind that there's also that you know there's always let at the end of the tunnel maybe maybe uh you know I I hate to even sort of mention it you know maybe we are in for one of these just horrible horrible experiences that that the the last three involved uh but but at the same time if you're going to be if you're going to be paranoid and and uh I think negatively about all that um I would say try to balance that out with the with the understanding that in the big picture these these tend to um improve life you know sure uh and I'd be I'd certainly be very happy if none of this happens.
If there's no war you know in 2025 or any other time that that's fine with me um I I just made the observation it's by no means wishful thinking sure well that um I mean I think that's a good high note to end on uh or sort of mixed I guess some yeah dark dark possibilities but also some positive ones yeah yeah um in terms of a transformation of the country um all right so that was our discussion from 12 years ago from 2013 and Nick and I did a more recent discussion from 2022 where we went and even more detail about your your honest return in US history and also more detail about obviously some of the things we're anticipating then coming up with the current Uranus return which at that point was then three years away but I wanted to play the 2013 clip because um just to show you you know 2013 was such a different time when we were so much further away from the huge like constellation of different stuff that's come together now that seems so obvious and is so in front of our face at this point by you know today's July 6 2025 so we have um you know one of the things that we we've been talking about for the past several years is how the pattern in US history set up a precedent where there had been two Uranus transits through Gemini where it was a major external conflict which was a war with another country which is you know in the revolutionary war it was the US declaring its independence from Britain and fighting a war of independence during the revolutionary war or during World War 2 it was the US fighting against Nazi Germany and fighting against Japan.
But then there was another scenario in the 1800s which was an internal conflict which was the civil war when the country turned on itself with different Americans killing Americans so one of the things we've been aware of is that there was the potential for either one or potentially both to happen in this upcoming Uranus return of the United States from 2025 to 2033 and at this point I think we can kind of see how the potential for both is very much present and seems very likely at this point because of the huge amount of both internal conflicts intentions within the country and with respect to the government and where things are headed but also um a lot of a huge amount of external tensions that are building up and building up in terms of the US and its relationship with different countries around the world with you know the US and Russia over the past decade with the US and Iran which the US just was involved in attacking last month and June between the US and China as an emerging superpower that the US has been in tensions with and conflicts with at different points we can see how all of these different things both externally and internally have been coalescing or or constillating to bring us to the point we're at today.
And now that we're at this point in history where we're heading into another one of these cycles of Uranus going through Gemini over the course of the next um seven to eight years basically from 2025 to 2033 the likelihood of a conflict seems uh so obvious and so inevitable at this point but you know even a decade ago even a few years ago in like 2023 22 it was like still something that seemed far away on the horizon even though we could see the repetition and we could see the likelihood of it repeating again and certainly back in 2013 it seemed even more distant and remote as a possibility way back then and yet um yeah the the historical correlation seemed so compelling and it seemed compelling enough certainly for Nick to make that prediction uh back in 2013 and for that to now seem very prescient today uh 12 years later 12 years later now that we're right on the cusp we're right on the precipice of moving into this this new era and this new transit of Uranus and Gemini.
So um I wanted to give us some perspective though and to show that this is something that astrologers because there's there's a lot of talk about this already um there's been a lot of talk about it in anticipation of Uranus going into Gemini. There's going to be a lot more talk about it as things continue to get more and more tense and as conflict eventually breaks out.
Um but I wanted to point out from my perspective partially not just as a practicing astrologer and somebody that's been around for the past couple of decades and as aware of the discussions that have been had in the lead up to this but also as a historian of astrology I wanted to demonstrate how this isn't like a new discussion that astrologers have just been having recently now that Uranus is actually going into Gemini.
But in fact it's something that astrologers have been discussing since um the 1860s since the time of the Civil War when the Civil War was breaking out and the US Uranus had recently returned to Gemini and the US was right on the cusp of plunging into one of the most deadly wars in its history.
Astrology the first astrologers evidently Luke Broughton was one of the first if not the first astrologer who noticed this correlation both as a historical correlation and as something that was happening in his time that he could see that was coinciding that was a celestial movement that was coinciding with a very specific earthly event and as well as a historical repetition.
So this is part of how astrologers you know it's not it's not always how astrologers do predictions or develop predictions sometimes predictions are based on interpreting symbolism but um there's this other side of astrology which is there's this empirical side to astrology sometimes where some of the astrological predictions are based on seeing a transit coming up and going back and seeing what happened the last time that that same planetary alignment occurred and by studying events in history or by writing down and recording events and and what planetary alignments coincided with major events in history astrologers for many many centuries for thousands of years have built up these large collections of observations which becomes like this collective wisdom that is passed down from generation to generation of astrologers.
Sometimes these correlations and these observations that past astrologers have made can be very powerful and very informative because astrologers are sometimes people who are living through historical events and they're documenting what the planets and what the sky was doing at that time and how it was mysteriously mirroring events on earth during some of the most important events in human history. This is true in US history but it also like I documented in my episode on Mesopotamian astrology a couple of months ago this goes back you know two three four thousand years to the Mesopotamian astrologers who are also documenting important events in their time like the astrologer who wrote down when Alexander the Great died and what the celestial alignments were that month when that happened or other famous figures like you know Julius Julius Caesar or Charlemagne or other historical figures like that.
There's always astrologers working in the background and paying attention to what's happening on earth and what's happening in the sky at the same time and then recording those things and then hopefully in some instances passing them down to future generations so that later astrologers can use those same configurations to predict the future in their own time. So part of what I wanted to do is document that as we're on the cusp of moving into this and to show that we've been kind of anticipating this the things that are about to happen for obviously for more than a decade now and to pass that information on and then hopefully other astrologers will be able to look back and kind of like marvel in the same way that we look back here and read what Luke brought in wrote or what Evangeline Adams wrote.
And that there's sort of like prescience to have that anticipation about what that transit would mean and hopefully that well I should actually correct that not hopefully because obviously the deal is not for either a major external conflict or internal conflict to take place in the United States because I would prefer that not to happen I'd prefer to be wrong about all of this and to have this be like the first time that that repetition doesn't take place and that the pattern is broken but obviously over the past decade the closer and closer we've gotten to it the more and more it seems like the pieces have fallen into place to bring about something that's very similar to the last three times that this happened in US history.
And now over the course of the next seven years we'll finally get to see what exactly that looks like how difficult or how bad it is but also you know the other reason I play that clip is because Nick also tried to put a positive spin on it which you know we've also tried to do at different points my friend Austin Copic has also tried to do at different points when we talk about this transit is that it tends to be an incredibly difficult one and there's a lot of conflict and oftentimes a lot of loss of life but then it's also a transformational transit whereby by the end of it sometimes there are certain things that are improved or become better about people's lives and sometimes the direction of the country going out of the transit on the other side of it even though there's a lot of very difficult and tragic things that happened during the course of it.
So sometimes there can be very positive things that happen I mean one of them for example was the civil war and the end of slavery on the other side of the civil war versus the status of slaves and of so many people in the United States prior to that time. So sometimes through these great conflicts there can also sometimes be this energy of liberation that also comes with Uranus once you get to the other side of that and once you sort of push through the period of struggle in order to achieve that.
So that's one of my hopes in the best case scenarios about even if the worst does come to pass I'm still deeply hopeful that the precedent of some of the other instances also brings about some positive liberatory pieces on the other end of this transit in addition to some of the other things that were occasionally positive during the course of those periods as well such as obviously innovations in technology and communications and lots of other things like that which we will also see intensify a lot during the course of the next several years.
So I've talked about on the recent forecast episodes where I expect Uranus and Gemini to be major innovations in communication in travel the complete transformation and automation of local travel systems with like cars becoming fully automated the advancement and acceleration of some of the things that's going to happen with artificial intelligence is probably very likely during the course of this transit especially since Uranus will also be trining Pluto.
We've seen Pluto going through a quarryus over the past three years since around 2022 and how that's led to this sudden explosion of growth and acceleration of artificial intelligence and with Uranus moving into Gemini and trining Pluto that will probably be one of the defining things I'm anticipating about this period that will come out of it having a deeply transformed society probably in some instances in not good ways but hopefully in other instances in positive ways that's actually constructive and useful and you know hopefully improve society and humanity and human freedom and liberation in some ways whatever downsides come along with that so there's definitely some things to be hopeful for but definitely some difficult potentials at the same time.
So I think I'm going to leave it on that note I would really recommend checking out the not just the first episode that Nick and I did on the Uranus return of the United States which was episode 11 of the Astrology Podcast which is only available on the podcast website at the astrologypodcast.com go to the episodes page and just scroll to episode 11 and you'll see the episode titled the Astrology of Uranus in the United States.
So that was the first discussion we did and then we did a much more extensive discussion that was episode 376 which there's also a video version of on YouTube titled The Uranus Return of the United States which was released on November 19th 2022 so for more about this cycle and how it's lined up in US history I'd really recommend checking that episode out because it gives a very extensive treatment of this topic but otherwise I think I think that's it I think that's all I want to say.
So I'm to commemorate this huge historical moment as Uranus moves into Gemini we're finally there I want to wish everyone you know the best of luck I hope everyone can manage and navigate this as constructively as possible as we move through this this historic era probably both in United States history but also potentially in in terms of world history.
I hope we can all navigate it as as well as possible and yeah we'll see how things go and how things turn out and I'll check in periodically especially on the forecast episodes to document and assess things and talk more about it.
Oh yeah that's one last thing I almost didn't mention I mentioned it briefly but one of the things that Luke Broughton mentioned is how the Uranus degree was particularly sensitive where Uranus in the US chart is at eight degrees of Gemini and while the entire transit is the entirety of Uranus going through the sign of Gemini for about seven years it's really especially also when Uranus will return to that exact degree around eight degrees of Gemini seems particularly potent and sometimes particularly problematic in terms of what happens during those times that the most intense phase sometimes coincides with the exact transit.
And I think he notes this I can't remember if Evangelion Adams notes that as well elsewhere but that's important partially because while I do think the next year once Uranus moves into Gemini is going to be especially dramatic I think things actually escalate and get heightened because my friend Austin Copic recently pointed out that the solar return the birthday of the United States in 2026 has a nearly exact Mars Uranus conjunction right on July 4th.
So let's actually let's take a look at that okay so this is the chart of the moment and Uranus we can see is at 2959 Taurus that. is so crazy I'm going to animate the chart one hour two hours three hours four hours five hours there there it is so Uranus will go into Gemini early on the seventh here in Denver and I'm going to move it forwards because what happens is Uranus actually stations retrograde it doesn't get very far into Gemini this year before it stations retrograde in September weirdly that retrograde station that first retrograde station which will probably be the first retrograde station is particularly loud usually it acts as an exclamation mark next to a planet when it stations retrograde for the first time in a sign and it usually tells you what the rest of that transit is going to be all about the first time an outer planet stations in a sign and what's notable about this is it actually is happening the same time as an eclipse because there's a lunar eclipse in Pisces that takes place around that time on September 7th which seems very important and then there'll be a solar eclipse in Virgo two weeks later so that first year in a station happens during eclipse season so it's going to be particularly loud and prominent during that time so we'll be paying very close attention to it.
And then moving forward Uranus retrogrades back into Taurus later this year so that it returns back to Taurus it exits Gemini for just a little bit but then it stations direct early next year and moves into Gemini again by it looks like a May of 2026 yeah by late April early May of 2026 it moves back into Gemini and then what is disturbing is Mars moves into Gemini yeah it moves into Gemini in late June June 29th and then on July 4th we see Mars has just passed a conjunction with Uranus which looks like it goes exact around July 3 and July 4th actually is it early on the 4th yeah it's super close on the east coast it may actually happen on very early on July 4th 2026 so on the one hand that's going to be kind of a crazy time frame late June and July of 2026 especially around that exact conjunction but more broadly it means that that Mars Uranus conjunction is going to be baked into the solar return chart for the United States for that entire year of like July of 2026 until July of 2027 so that seems very notable is in terms of stamping the nature of a Mars Uranus conjunction and having a recurrence of the natal Mars Uranus conjunction that's in the US birth chart in terms of Uranus getting back to the exact degree it looks like it's here in this time frame oh great yeah like exactly a year later on that solar return around July 4th Uranus gets back to seven eight degrees of Gemini nice okay so um in the sibling chart Uranus is at eight degrees and 55 minutes of Gemini so it looks like it's right after that um solar return later in July that 2027 that the Uranus return goes exact I believe for the first time so that means that's going to continue to be very potent um not just the solar return chart from July of 2026 which seems especially combative because Mars is also conjunct Uranus and the potential for conflict seems incredibly heightened in that solar return year from July 2026 until July 2027 but then Uranus will still be at its exact return um shortly after the July 2027 independence day in solar return chart so that'll then be stamped into the entirety of that next year as well and then Uranus is still retrograding over that degree 2027 through 2028 um it looks like it goes exact again what is that April May 2028 Uranus is exactly returning again and is again hitting a peak point and then I see that Mars goes into Gemini again not long after that.
So we get another Mars Uranus conjunction this one looks like a Mars Uranus mercury conjunction that's particularly problematic around June 23rd so late June of 2028 especially um yeah basically June of 2028 through July of 2028 and then that leads us to the next solar return where it builds in another Mars Uranus conjunction into the solar return chart for the United States starting July 4th 2028 so again it then um re-stamps a very combustive sort of explosive conjunction into that solar return chart for another year so that's not great um to put it mildly and then yeah we're still only halfway through the transit by this point by the time we're getting into like 2029 Uranus is starting to get into later degrees of Gemini before stationing direct and I'm in a fast forward here because at some point Uranus will start hitting the natal Mars placement of the US around this time around when it gets around to 21 degrees of Gemini and that is another sensitive and combustible point in the US birth chart.
So it's not just the Uranus placement at 8 degrees of Gemini but it's also the Mars placement which let me show that there it is so Uranus at 8 degrees of Gemini in the US birth chart and Mars at 21 Gemini so let's switch back to the animation I'm sort of doing this on the fly I haven't looked at all of this in as much detail as I would like yet so I apologize for the um like I don't know not as prepared presentation of this piece as it could have been but I just realized at the end we could look at this also to give some time frames because one of the things I did see and Nick and I talked about this in an episode on artificial intelligence and astrology a few years ago is um when Saturn goes into Gemini later in this period in the late in the early 2030s there's some interesting combinations between Saturn Uranus and Pluto um and that trine that's taking place.
So I'll skip over talking about this so we can see here for the first time Uranus goes into cancer in 2032 so we start getting towards the end of that transit but then Uranus retrogrades back into Gemini in 2033 before eventually stashing direct and departing from Gemini for the final time in may in may of 2033 and then that's the end of the transit so um that gives you kind of an overview of what the transit actually looks like is it's going to be this process that's going to come in waves of Uranus uh going back and forth over different points in the US birth chart it's going to be going over different points in different peoples birth charts including world leaders the leaders of countries but also in terms of individual people who will be affected by that transit are going to be getting you know hit by Uranus going over certain degrees in their chart at different points.
Then we're going to have some particularly uh tense and sort of combustible and explosive periods when we have some of those Mars Uranus alignments especially especially those two that are taking place and that are going to get built into the solar return chart in it looked like uh 2026 and 2028 so that also seems problematic and seems to really point to and focus in on some specific time frames that are going to be important in the not too distant future so uh yeah that's kind of an overview.
I'm going to save a more detailed treatment and at some point I'll try to do a more detailed treatment of the future transit's and what we're looking at over the next several years for another episode this one was really supposed to be more retrospective but I thought I would throw that in at the end just to show you a little bit of what what some of the transits are looking like all right so thanks for watching this episode and this discussion shout out to my friend Nick digginbass be sure to check out his website and some of those different um discussions that him and I have had in the past because he's done more on this topic than any other astrologer that I know.
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