Welcome to Huberman Lab Essentials, where we revisit past episodes for the most potent and actionable science-based tools for mental health, physical health, and performance. I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. Today we're going to talk all about how to optimize your workspace for maximum productivity, indeed that means to heighten levels of focus, to increase levels of creativity, to improve your ability to task switch. And this could be for say go school or for work, create him endeavors, personal endeavors. This really extends to everybody.
欢迎来到 Huberman Lab Essentials。在这里,我们回顾过去的节目,寻找对心理健康、身体健康和表现力最有效且可操作的科学工具。我是 Andrew Huberman,是斯坦福医学院神经生物学和眼科学的教授。今天,我们将全面讨论如何优化您的工作空间以实现最大生产力,这意味着提高专注力、增强创造力和改善任务转换能力。这可以用于学习或工作、创意项目以及个人计划。实际上,这适用于每一个人。
This is a topic that's intrigued me for a very long time because my undergraduate advisor, my graduate advisor, and my postdoc advisor had many things in common including being great scientists, being kind people and terrific mentors, but they had another thing in common which always perplexed me, which is that their offices were a complete disaster. They had mountains of books, mountains of papers, mountains of all sorts of stuff, and yet all of them were extremely productive and could remain extremely focused in that incredibly cluttered environment.
Now I'm somebody who doesn't like clutter, I find it very hard to focus in cluttered environments. And indeed there's tremendous variation among people as to whether or not they can remain focused or whether or not they struggle to focus in physically cluttered environments. There's no right or wrong to this, but the question we should ask ourselves is why were they all able to be so focused? And it turns out that the reason they were able to be so focused is that they all captured one single and yet fundamental variable of workspace optimization.
And we'll talk about what that variable is. In fact, we're going to talk about what all the variables of optimizing a workspace are. Things like vision, things like light, things like noise in the room, whether or not you listen to music or not, you use noise canceling headphones or not. We're going to talk about all of that. And we're going to do that in a way that you can optimize your workspace regardless of whether or not you are at home, whether or not you're on the road, etc. Because the last thing I would ever want to do is to create a situation where you find the optimal workspace and then you are a slave to that optimal workspace.
That's just not the way the world works. What you want to do, or my goal for you, rather, is that you will have a short checklist of things that you can look to anytime you sit down to do work. And you can think about the underlying variables that impact your brain and your body and allow your brain and body to get into the optimal state in order to learn, in order to be productive. And indeed to move through your workbought in a very relaxed and pleasurable way while maintaining focus and while pursuing any of the number of things that you're doing.
The first variable we want to think about in terms of workspace optimization is vision and light. From the time you wake up in the morning until about six or seven or eight, sometimes nine hours later, your brain is in a unique state. It is in a state of high levels of dopamine, a neuromodulator, and high levels of epinephrine, as well as hormones like cortisol and so forth. That early part of the day is a time of day in which for sake of workspace optimization. Being in a brightly lit environment can lend itself to optimal work throughout the day, not just during that early phase.
So one of the things that I've done for my workspace is to make sure that when I wake up in the morning, I do go get my sunlight. If the sun isn't out, I turn on as many bright artificial lights as I can manage or tolerate. And then I go get my sunlight exposure. But once I set out to do some work that all the overhead lights in that room are on, as well as lights in front of me. And that's again to stimulate heightened levels of focus and further release of these neuromodulators that I mentioned before.
Dopamine, neuroponephyrin, and epinephrine. Now, the way that one could do that could be a very low cost way of having, for instance, a desk lamp and those overhead lights. Ring lights can be pretty cost effective. And yet they're very bright and they have the sort of bright blue light that is going to optimally stimulate those melanopsin ganglion cells. I don't use a ring light. I use a light pad. The particular light pad I use bought on Amazon. So I place that on the desk in front of me and I turn it on essentially throughout this phase one of the day.
For those of you that can place your desk near a window and even better to open the window, that would be really fantastic. Why would I say open the window? Well, it turns out that sunlight is going to be the best stimulus for waking up your brain and body through this melanopsin to hypothalamus system. And by looking at sunlight through a window, it's 50, 50 times less effective than if that window were to be open. Mostly because those windows filter out a lot of the wavelengths of blue light that are essential for stimulating the eyes and this wake up signal.
Now, in the afternoon, starting at about nine and continuing until about 16 hours after waking, you want to start dimming the lights in that environment. The idea is that in this so-called phase two of the 24-hour cycle from about nine to 16 hours after waking, you want to bring the level of lights down a bit. Having lights that are in front of you is fine, but overhead lights at that time are not going to be optimal for the sorts of neurochemical states that your brain wants to be in. The states that I'm referring to are a shift from the dopamine and norepinephrine that's highest early in the day to increases in things like serotonin and other neuromodulators that put your brain into a state that's better for creative endeavors or for more abstract thinking.
So what I recommend doing and what I personally do is I will turn off overhead lights in the afternoon. It's not completely dim. It's not completely dark. But I will start to reduce the amount of overhead light and just simply keep the light pad on and whatever other lamps I happen to be using. So somewhere around four or five p.m., which for me is, you know, about 12 hours after I've been awake or 14 hours after I've been awake, I will turn off that light pad and start to transition the lights in my environment to more yellows and reds.
And then I'll just mention because I know there are people who are working in the middle of the night. There's phase three, which is about 17 to 24 hours after waking. If you're going to be doing work in that third phase of your circadian cycle, you really want to limit the amount of bright light that you're getting in your eyes to just the amount that allows you to do the work that you're doing. Because if you get light in your eyes, if it's any brighter than that, you're going to severely deplete your melatonin levels. You're going to severely shift your circadian clock and it's effectively like traveling to another time zone.
So if you stay up from 3 a.m. until 6 a.m. or 2 a.m. until 4 a.m. working on a term paper or something of that sort and you're getting bright light in your eyes, you are effectively flying six hours into a different time zone. Or at least that's what your body registers it as and it can really throw your sleep and your metabolism and a number of other things out of whack. Now there's an exception to this, which is if you really want to be awake, it can often be beneficial to flipping on all the lights in the room and keeping them really bright.
One of the hardest things to do is to stay up all night studying when you're in a dim environment. So you have to determine the trade-off between whether or not you want to shift your clock or whether or not you want to get the work done. Now that's light, but there's another aspect of vision that has been shown to be critically important for how alert we are going to be and how well we can maintain that alertness. And that has to do with where our visual focus is in a given environment.
There's a very underappreciated and yet incredible aspect of our neurology that has to do with the relationship between where we look and our level of alertness. And it works in a very logical way. We have clusters of neurons in our brainstem and those clusters of neurons control our eyelid muscles and they control our eye movements up and down into the sides. Now the neurons that control those muscles have a very interesting feature, which is that when we are looking down toward the ground or anywhere below basically the central region of our face, the neurons that control that eye movement are intimately related to areas of the brainstem that release certain types of neuromodulators and neurotransmitters.
And they activate areas of the brain that are associated with calm and indeed even with sleepiness. Now the opposite is also true. We have neurons that place our eyes into an upward gaze above the sort of level of our nose and up above our forehead literally looking up while keeping the head stationary. Those neurons don't just control the position of the eyes and cause them to move up. They also trigger the activation of brain circuits that are associated with alertness.
Now this has some obvious implications contrary to what most people do, which is to look down at their laptop, tablet or phone. If you want to be alert and you want to maintain the maximum amount of focus for whatever it is that you're reading or doing, you want that screen or whatever it is that you're looking at to at least be at eye level and ideally slightly above it. There's another aspect of our vision that's absolutely critical for optimizing our workspace. And that has to do with this really interesting feature of our visual pathways in that it has two major channels. Those two major channels have names, although you don't have to remember the names. The first one is the so-called parvo cellular channel, which is involved in looking at things at specific points in space and at high resolution or detail.
And then there's the so-called magna cellular channel that's involved in looking at big swaths of visual space and at lower resolution. Now again, you don't have to remember the names. What you do have to remember, however, is that you're going to create the maximum amount of alertness in your system, the maximum amount of ability to focus when your system is in that parvo cellular mode when you're bringing your eyes to a common point. What we call a virgins iMovent V E R G N C E bringing your eyes to a single point in space will create a narrower aperture of a visual window, meaning your visual world actually shrinks at least perceptually.
Now the caveat to this is that if you are going to look at a narrow space, a narrow window for any period of time, whether or not it's a book or a laptop or a tablet or a phone, those virgins iMovents not only create alertness, but they also require energy. And they also can fatigue the eyes because there's a process called accommodation whereby the shape of your eye literally has to change so that the lens can move so that you can focus at that location. Accommodation is an incredible process, but it is a demanding one and that's the reason that your eyes get tired when you focus on something for too long.
So here's a principle extracted from the ophthalmology and neuroscience literature that you can adopt. For every 45 minutes in which you are focusing on something like a phone or a tablet or a book page or your computer, you want to get into Magna Seller panoramic vision for at least five minutes. And the way that I suggest to do this is actually to take a walk ideally outside. So for every 45 minutes or so, try and get five minutes of relaxing your eyes. Look off into the distance, looking at a horizon will automatically trigger this panoramic gaze, which is very relaxing to the eyes and will allow you to go back into a focused workout.
The one thing you absolutely do not want to do is to go outside and check your phone because if you're outside checking your phone or you're taking a break and checking your phone, you're still in that virgins iMovent. Okay, so this is very, very important because virgins iMovent's increase focus and attention and you can exploit that to increase focus and attention when you want to, but you absolutely need to relax the system. Again, for every 45 minutes in which you've been in that focused mode, you want to get at least five minutes of panoramic vision.
Next, I'd like to talk about an aspect of workspace optimization that can actually bias whether or not our brain and nervous system are better suited for detailed analytic work or more abstract work. What I'm about to describe is called the cathedral effect. The cathedral effect has been discussed, well really for many, many decades, maybe even hundreds of years, but formally has been discussed since the early 2000s, in which it seemed that people who were in high-ceiling environment, hence the phrase cathedral, would shift their thinking and their ideas to more abstract and creative lofty type thinking. So literally higher ceiling, loftier thinking, higher aspirations that this was observed in terms of the language that they use, but also the sorts of ideas that they would generate.
And conversely, that people that were in lower ceiling environments would be more oriented toward using language that was more restricted, literally more detailed analytic about things in their immediate space. So what does this mean for workspace optimization? Well, most of us have a fixed ceiling level in our home, but you might have rooms in which the ceiling is higher and rooms in which the ceiling is lower. If that were the case, I recommend if you want to do creative work during phase two, the nine to 16 hours of your circadian cycle, nine to 16 hours after waking, that is, that you do that in the high ceiling room, or maybe even outdoors out on a deck or on a patio, because the highest ceiling, of course, is the sky.
And again, the lower the ceiling or the lower your visual environment, the more that one tends to do, I should say, performs detailed analytic work accurately. And the more that... one's thinking is oriented towards detailed sort of correct answer type work. Whereas when the ceiling is higher or there's no ceiling, the more that the brain and the rest of the processing that we call cognitive processing is related to abstract reasoning, brainstorming, and indeed can pull from broader swaths of memory resources. Because really what abstract reasoning is is it's taking existing elements and maneuvering them or arranging them into novel ways. So you could think about like notes on a piano, playing a particular song, learning scales, that's very analytic. There's a correct answer that you're trying to arrive at or generate.
Whereas writing music or writing poetry or generating new material of any kind involves taking existing elements, right? You're not going to use words that you don't have committed to your memory that you're not aware of. And arranging them in novel ways. So I think the cathedral fact can be leveraged. And again, you don't need to move into a different home or build a slanted roof and work at one side of the room at one part of the day and the other side of the room at the other. Although, if that's the way you want to swing it, that's great. Most of us don't have that flexibility.
But it's very clear that the height of the ceiling of the visual environment that we're in has a profound effect on the types of cognitive processes that we are able to engage. Now I'd like to shift our attention to the auditory environment or the noise in the room or the music in the room or the music or noise in the headphones because it turns out that there is a lot of quality scientific data out there that speaks to whether or not listening to particular sounds can enhance our cognition. And indeed the answer is yes, but there are very particular types of things to listen to under very particular types of conditions that allow one to do that.
If you look across the literature for studies that involve complete silence or white noise or binaural beats or music or classical music or rock and roll, you can find results to support any type of environment as being more beneficial. However, as we'll talk about in a moment, there are a few types of environments to really avoid and a few types of sounds that really can enhance cognition and your ability to focus in your workspace environment across the board that really seem to work for all people.
Let's talk about background noise to avoid and here we're talking about background noise to avoid because it actually can cause some pretty severe deficits in cognition. There's a paper first author Jordan Love, cool name, last author Alexander Francis, the title of the paper has to do with psychophysiological responses to potentially annoying heating ventilation and air conditioning noise during mentally demanding work, which is a mouthful. But basically what this paper identifies is a large data set in which workplace and environmental noise mostly the humming of air conditioners that's very loud or the humming of heaters that's very loud and ongoing just incessant doesn't let up can really increase mental fatigue and can vastly decrease cognitive performance.
I think we've all experienced that when you're in a room and there's some ongoing background noise and all of a sudden it stops and you just feel this enormous relief. So does that mean that we shouldn't listen to white noise or pink noise or brown noise while we're working. Certainly a lot of people do in fact if you want to know what white noise, pink noise and brown noise are they're just different constellations of auditory frequencies that are played together brown noise has others it has different frequencies that are included at higher amplitude, etc. You can look this stuff up on YouTube if you want you just put brown noise none of it sounds terrific.
It doesn't sound like music. It's literally just noise mixed frequencies in no particular arrangement. There is some evidence that playing white noise in the background or on headphones or pink noise or brown noise can facilitate cognition. But it's mainly through an increase in this overall alertness as a consequence of areas like locus coeruleus and other brain team areas that are associated with autonomic arousal from that noise. There's really no reason to suspect however that those particular patterns of noise are going to optimize particular mental functions.
So what I'd like to turn to next are particular patterns of sounds that indeed have been shown in peer-reviewed studies to optimize certain types of mental processing because you can incorporate these into your optimized workspace environment through headphones or through speakers whatever mechanism that you want in order to get more out of your work efforts. If you were to search for apps or go online and try and find sounds that can improve thinking or change your emotions you're generally going to find three types one are called isocronic tones these are tones usually of a common frequency so it might be a beep and then a pause and then beep of the same frequency and then beep forgive my terrible beeping. I don't know what good beeping would sound like but contrast isoconic tones with monorobites monorobites would be repetitive almost percussive like beats delivered to just one year to do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do this kind of thing.
You can find apps that can deliver monorobites you can find also apps that deliver so called bin or obits can also find YouTube scripts that were channels that will deliver bin or obits bin or obits as the name suggests are beats delivered to the two ears. One pattern of kind of percussive beat to one ear and a different pattern that's or at least a pattern that's out of phase that's not synchronized delivered to the other ear so on one ear you hear do do do do do do do do do do do do do and in the other ear you've got do do do do do and what happens is because of the way that the auditory system converges in the brain stem and generates what are called intra oral time differences. What that means in a moment intra oral time differences the difference between the two patterns of beats that are heard by the each of the two different ears leads to a third pattern that the brain entrains to kind of maps onto and generates particular types of brain waves.
Okay so without going into a lot of detail intra all time differences are the ways in which if you were to hear something off to your right like I just snapped my finger just to the right of my right ear that a signal arrives in my right ear before that's sound signal those sound waves arrive in my left ear so there's an intra oral between ears time difference and there's a brain stem area in which signals from one ear. And signals from the other ear converge and there's literally a math done by your nervous system that says this signal arrived before the other signal and the difference between those signals is the intra oral time difference by the intra oral beats have been generated in ways that create a particular pattern of intra all time differences that then cascades up to the rest of the brain and puts the four brain and other ears of the brain that are involved in cognition and action into a particular rhythm and some of the rhythms were waves of brain activity are ones that you may have heard of things like alpha waves or theta waves or gamma waves.
So if you look across the board at the studies of binaural beats and you ask what sorts of binaural beats appear to be useful for people to enhance their brain function for particular times of task we arrive at some very interesting answers so we'll review what those are now the frequency of binaural beats that appears to bring about improved cognitive functioning at the level of memory improved reaction times and improved verbal recall. So you might try to get 40 hertz you might try listening to binaural beats for about 30 minutes while doing something else and then maybe eating lunch or something in that sort or taking a walk and then going into the work about because remember the moment that you start listening to these binaural beats the brain doesn't immediately switch into a particular pattern of oscillation or brain waves it takes some time so again 40 hertz binaural beats many many apps many YouTube scripts out there probably other resources for binaural beats that shell out any money.
Some of you out there might be craving a little bit more mechanism by which binaural beats can influence things like focus or reduced reaction time this has actually been explored this 40 hertz binaural beats pattern seems to have an effect on what's called strideal dopamine that dopamine release leads to heightened levels of motivation and focus why motivation and focus well dopamine is actually the substrate by which epinephrine is made dopamine the molecule is actually converted into epinephrine adrenaline and they work together like close cousins dopamine and epinephrine in order to put us on a path of movement or if we are doing work of mental movement toward a goal so that's a little bit of mechanistic meat to explain at least part of the reason why 40 hertz binaural beats can enhance our focus reduce our reaction times and improve indeed learning and memory.
Next I'd like to talk about two aspects of optimizing workspace that will come up at some point in your work or school life the first one is interruptions there's a step forward simple method that I learned from my graduate advisor that works very very well what she would do was if I came by and asked a question or if anyone came by and asked a question she would acknowledge their presence but would not shift her body toward them so she purposely did not position her computer facing the door which I think is a deadly where she's a deadly to focus a way of positioning your workspace so her computer was facing the wall the door was perpendicular to that you know come by and I say I have a question she would say yes so she would acknowledge my presence but she wouldn't actually orient her body toward me which told me that this conversation was not going to last very long and no matter how long I stood there what I asked she would never orient toward me which generally kept these conversations very very short.
The other approach which I confess colleagues of mine have used before not necessarily at Stanford but elsewhere is to simply say no to everything that somebody requests or comes by so if someone would knock on the door they would just shout no through the door or if someone say can I bother you for a second they would say no or someone say I have something I want to tell you they would just say no and they would just continue doing this until the person went away that was actually very effective these were some of the most productive people I know not always the kindest people but some of them were very kind.
So is it better to sit or is it better to stand when doing work at least as it relates to focus and productivity and the answer is both there been a number of systematic studies exploring what are called sit sit stand desks so these are desks that can be set to height that makes standing the best practice and then they can be lowered to a height that makes sitting the best practice or the easiest practice I should say and it turns out that just sitting is terrible for us okay and there's an enormous number of studies out there that point to the fact that people who sit for five or six or seven hours a day doing work have all sorts of issues related to sleep and that pain cognition suffers their number of cardiovascular effects even digestion.
They may even actually be some almost pressure effects on the pelvic floor and things of that sort depending on the chairs that one uses but that people who stand are in a slightly better situation where many of those health metrics improve but that people that do a combination of sitting and standing at the same desk throughout the day or moved from one desk to another if they don't have a combination stand desk that's going to be best what's interesting if you look at the scientific literature is that people who decreased their sitting time by about half each day showed incredibly significant effects on reduced neck and shoulder pain increase in subjective health vitality and work related environments and perhaps most importantly for sake of today's discussion improvement in cognitive conditioning and the ability to embrace new tasks and cognitive performance.
What happens if we just stand well that can also generate some postural issues in terms of stabilization and fatigue that said most everybody at least in the US is not getting sufficient cardiovascular exercise or movement throughout the day and standing at one's desk can improve some of those health metrics and again can improve productivity probably be better because of those postural effects that I talked about earlier have to say after now about 10 years of working at a sit stand desk I find I can't sit for too long before I want to stand and my standing belts can be anywhere from 30 minutes to two hours although two hours would be a little bit long and then I catch myself kind of leaning on the desk off to the side.
So again the idea is to stand but not be leaning on the desk obviously for typing or writing there'll be some leaning involved but that's what the literature support so we've been discussing workspace optimization with the understanding that you're not always going to work in the same place every day what I've tried to do is give you a set of high potency tools that can improve your focus and cognition and to place that within a framework for particular kinds of work let's just review some of the basic elements of what we've covered today.
First of all in the first part of your day that zero to nine hours after waking you want bright lights especially overhead lights as bright as you can keep them without feeling uncomfortable or certainly not without feeling any pain in your eyes or elsewhere in your body bright lights make for the maximum state of alertness and if you can try and place whatever it is you're focusing on at least at nose level or above try and avoid reclining try and stand for at least half of your work day. That's a good goal and it may take some time to work up to that goal in addition if you're going to use sound as a stimulus for increasing focus and alertness try and avoid exposure to white noise, pink noise of brown noise for extended periods of time for more than an hour or so that might actually be damaging to the auditory system and at the very least is kind of stressful even though you might not notice it it's kind of a background level of anxiety and stress that is not going to serve you well rather if you're going to pursue particular types of sound.
So you can use sound frequencies consider using 40 hertz by normal beats not mon or beats but 40 hertz by normal beats done during a particular work about or for 30 minutes prior to that work about I would not rely on by normal beats all the time every day I think that could cause them to lose their potency just because of the way the auditory system attenuates some other things that you could do in order to improve your workplace performance would be to consider the cathedral effect if you're going to do analytic work for any part of your day.
Phase one or phase two as I described them but really in any time of day that detailed analytic work for which there is a correct answer then try and get into an environment with a relatively low ceiling if you don't have access to a low ceiling environment you might consider using a brimmed hat or even a hoodie or even just facing down or even putting your hand above above your eyes as you will as at the level of your of your eyebrows in contrast if you're interested in doing brainstorming creative work you're writing new things you're creating new things.
So you're getting into a high ceiling or no ceiling environment or if you're wearing a brimmed hat or you're wearing a hoodie maybe peel that back. Now of course there are an enormous number of other things that you can do to improve work performance and productivity and I've talked about those in previous episodes in particular in the episode on focus and the episode on motivation there are supplements you can take that can increase dopamine for instance there are tools that you can use to increase your focus for instance focusing your visual attention on your body.
There are visual attention on one location for 30 to 60 seconds prior to entering a focused work out. I do want to acknowledge again the fact that I realize people are showing up to this challenge of workspace optimization with different budgets with different constraints some people have kids at home there are a lot of interruptions some people do not nonetheless I hope that the information I was able to provide today will allow you to make subtle or maybe even drastic rearrangements in your workspace environment.
There's one other point related to that that I get to do not cover and then I'd like to cover just briefly which is that there's nothing to say that you have to always work in the same location all the time you can move from house to cafe if that works for you you can move from office to home you can also move from different locations within your home.
Once again thank you for joining me for this discussion about the science and peer reviewed literature on workspace optimization I hope some if not all of the tools will be beneficial for you and as always thank you for your interest in science. Thank you for joining me for this discussion.