Welcome to Electrified, it's your host, Dylanumus, quick shout out to my newest patron, Greg H. Thank you for choosing to support the channel. This week at CES Waymo gave us a bit more information on their next gen platform, what they're calling the Waymo O'Hai. For audio only, it's spelled OJAI, but it's after a city in California and most Californians say, oh hi. This vehicle is built by Chinese company Zeaker, and Waymo said the OJAI is going to be deployed amongst our markets. But they didn't say which cities will get the vans first. They said we're looking to scale into 20 plus additional cities this year, on top of the five we currently operate in. We will need all the vehicles we can get deployed.
Waymo said the electric vans are imported from China into the US before being fitted with Waymo software, sweet and sensor array. And this van previously known as the Zeaker RT is made exclusively for Waymo. The vans are outfitted with cameras, radar, lightar, and dedicated cleaning mechanisms to keep the sensors working. It's said to be built on an 800 volt architecture which will be a nice upgrade from the Jaguar I-Pace for charging, and it's said to have a 76 kilowatt hour LFP battery. But the official US range is still unknown. The OJAI will use 13 cameras for lightars, 6 radars, and an array of external audio receivers, while still a lot that's less than half the cameras on the current Jaguar I-Pace.
And of course Waymo saying despite having fewer cameras the overall performance will be better. They said greatly reducing the sensors is one big part of our ability to scale this vehicle more cost effectively and reduce complexity in the manufacturing process. Waymo said the sensor pods are designed not to collect snow and ice, but they're also equipped with onboard heaters to help any ice build up, as well as small wipers and fluid. That keeps ice, road grime, and salt from blocking the sensor so the Waymo can continue operating even in bad weather. And they didn't give details but they did clarify for now, although the OJAI is built in China, it will not be subject to the restrictions that keep Chinese EVs out of America, namely tariffs.
I'm thinking that Waymo is getting around that because these vehicles are still for commercial use, they will not be sold to consumers. And I've seen other reports saying that Waymo is importing these vehicles as knockdown kits so that avoids some of those protective measures. And we'll see what type of scale Waymo looks to get to with these OJIs, but don't forget they also have the Hyundai Ionic 5 set to enter its fleet sometime later this year as well. Despite these two new platforms, Waymo still has about 1000 more Jaguar I-Pace's on order, and the current ones in the fleet still have thousands of miles left on their duty cycles before they're retired.
So the Zika OJAI is built very similarly to the Zika mix, and the latter is available to consumers with a rough starting price around $40,000 US dollars. So there are certainly some differences, but once you factor in Waymo's sensor suite in all of its hardware, of course that will take the price much higher, but there is a world where Waymo gets the Zika OJIs onto the road for under $100,000. We don't have specific numbers, but we can be confident it'll be a better cost profile for Waymo than the Jaguar I-Pace. I do hope Waymo can get to profitability and can survive, it's just that to date I haven't been confident they'd be able to do that.
And I still think so much of Waymo's viability will boil down to how fast Tesla can roll out its solution, and at least so far it just hasn't been as fast as many of us were expecting. And on that point real quick, I did just want to officially say to all of you that I was wrong about Tesla's unsupervised timelines in Austin. And yes, it was just my best guess, but I take what I do very seriously and I try to keep expectations in line with reality, and I do try hard to understand the technology and to put all of the puzzle pieces together to figure out how things might unfold.
And this time around I was far too optimistic, so as always I will do my best to be less wrong moving forward. And as always thank you all for the grace along the way. Te alo si vi shared some images of Tesla validation vehicles with some interesting camera placements. These cars were charging in Los Gatos and you'll see both on the model Y and the cybertruck they have cameras placed on the outside of the front bumper. And I'm sure many of us over the years have thought a camera would certainly make sense in that area especially when the car is trying to creep forward.
这一次我过于乐观了,因此我会一如既往地努力减少错误。感谢大家一路以来的宽容。Te alo si vi 分享了一些特斯拉测试车辆的图片,这些车在洛斯加托斯充电,车上有几个有趣的摄像头安装位置。你会注意到,在Model Y和Cybertruck上,它们都在前保险杠的外侧安装了摄像头。我相信多年来我们中的许多人都认为在这个位置安装摄像头是有道理的,特别是当车辆需要向前缓慢移动时。
Now obviously with what we believe to be the LiDAR rigs on the roof these are validation vehicles, but I just wanted to say I think Tesla would know by now if it needed more cameras on the current fleet. And if it did we would see a camera in these locations on the cyber cab, but that's not the case. So if I had to make another guess I would not expect these camera placements on the current fleet, but I would say maybe if there was a future vehicle a more SUV type that we didn't know about maybe that vehicle would have a new camera set. But unfortunately I still have my doubts that Tesla will continue to make vehicles that are not purpose built for autonomy after the roadster. All that to say this was certainly an interesting find, but I personally would not get my hopes up for any sort of camera retrofit in these locations on the current fleet anytime soon.
We definitely have to touch on this new all-solid state battery from Donut Labs. First of all the claims they're saying 400 watt hours per kilogram. For reference a Tesla battery is in the neighborhood of 250 watt hours per kilogram. And yes of course those numbers vary based on whether it's at the cell level or the pack level and whether it's LFP or NMC but you get the rough idea. They're touting fast charging in five minutes from zero to 100%. They're saying 100,000 cycles for the battery compared to high-end lithium batteries maxing out around 5,000 cycles. Of course all-solid state means no liquid electrolytes and they're saying this battery operates from negative 30 degrees Celsius to 100 degrees Celsius. And they're also saying lower cost than lithium ion designed for scalable production.
And yes at this point you better be thinking it's too good to be true. But we have Donut Labs saying they're partnered with Verge Motorcycles to put this solid state battery in a motorcycle. Donut is also talking about a partnership with Watt EV where they're developing a lightweight EV skateboard platform using what Donut Labs is actually known for making wheels that have electric motors in them. And they're saying all of this technology will come to market with delivery starting Q1 this year. From CES these solid state cells are about the size of a large smartphone and they're very light. Donut said they'll be great for use in aerial drones. The current application combines the cells into bigger 5kWh power units, each about the size of a game console. Four of those units are then loaded into the Verge TSPRO's chassis where the motor usually lives on other bikes.
But here's my main problem. Before this announcement, Donut Labs has had very little experience in the battery world. As far as I can tell this company is primarily known for its in wheel electric motors. So they work on things for that, inverters, the software, but when it comes to battery cells that's not been what they're doing. But despite that the company is saying that they're here now and that they waited to make this announcement until the technology was fully validated in vehicles operating on public roads. And yes, those vehicles are the Verge motorcycles. The company said more than 200 OEMs are currently engaged in the development and integration of its motor technology.
So again, a lot of promises, not a lot of track record in the battery space, but I found this. October of this year, Donut Labs invested in a sustainable tech leader Nordic Nano. And Nordic Nano had been working on solar energy, energy storage, and hydrogen production. But another problem I have is Donut Lab is a pretty new company just about two years old and they are raising money right now. They just did a seed round about six months ago. So where do I land after all of this? For now, of course, I'm going to remain skeptical. It's a CES announcement. It's a young company without any real track record in the battery space, one who's actively raising money and trying to bring their products to market.
However, I think it should go without saying if this proves to be real and they start shipping these all solid state batteries on these motorcycles in Q1, then at that point, the narrative might start to shift a little bit, but we really don't have any lab testing, any scientific studies. There's really just nothing out there about this battery, so I can't validate it for you. But I will definitely be watching closely because as we know, if this were to be true, it would have big implications for what might change in the coming years from a battery perspective. And yes, obviously there would be questions about producing these solid state batteries at a scale that would be enough for electric vehicles, but as we know, everybody has to start somewhere.
I'm guessing a lot of you already saw Elon's 3-hour interview with Peter DiAmandis and Dave Blunden. And first and foremost, I have to say, if you ever have the privilege of hosting an interview, please let your guest speak. Let them finish their thoughts, allow for silence and space for them to think. And remember, for that segment, you as the host are not the focus your guest is. And yes, I'm looking at you, Peter and Dave. All throughout this interview, they were cutting Elon off and talking over him, not letting him finish his thoughts. It was incredibly frustrating.
And I won't stay here long. I just want to add context to a few things, but Elon did say the Roadster will be the best of the last of the human-driven cars. He did not give a new update on the timeline for when we can expect a demo, so that means we're still hoping for April 1st, ish on that. Now, Elon did make a bet saying that Tesla would have a 2 nanometer chip fab in which Elon could smoke a cigar and eat a cheeseburger in the fab. Naturally, most people focus on the ladder, but the real news there is the 2 nanometer fab.
So Elon is not backing away from the Tesla Terra fab. But if it's going to be a cutting-edge 2 nanometer facility, there's a world where the capital outlay for Tesla ends up north of 10 to 20 billion dollars just for this one fab. And I think the real signal here is what Elon is envisioning when it comes to the scale and what type of chips Tesla will need, because of course, they have companies like TSMC and Samsung they can go get advanced chips from. Tesla already has the deal with Samsung where they're going to be collaborating to some degree on Samsung's new factory, but the way I see it, Elon is predicting a shortage of chips within the next 3 to 5 years.
Because that's roughly how long it would take, Tesla to actually get this fab up and running and into production. It would likely be one year of choosing a site and getting the permits and designing the building and the facility and then prepping the site. Then likely another year at least to build the factory, the shell, the exterior. Then, of course, you obviously have the utilities and the clean rooms that might be state of the art if Elon is really smoking a cigar and eating a cheeseburger in there. And Tesla would need to get its hands on the ASML lithography machines that are always in super high demand.
And then once they have everything built out and set up, it would likely take another one to two years to start low-level test production and get to the point where the chips are ready and stable for production. So as we said before, if this comes to fruition, this really would be Tesla's biggest bet ever. And yes, of course there's a chance Elon is just saying all of this publicly to put pressure on Samsung and TSMC to ramp up production. But Elon said again today, Terrafab is needed.
So there is a world where we get a groundbreaking of a Tesla Terrafab sometime toward the end of this year. Well, Cortex 2, that's me built out. That'll be half a gig of what an operational middle next year. I'm hoping we get an update on the current size of Cortex 1 on the Q4 call. But today the reporting out there has been that Cortex 1 would start around 130 MW and could potentially scale up to 500 MW. But for now, it's not officially clear how Cortex 2 would relate to Cortex 1 if they're going to be completely separate or if Elon is combining the size and scale of both 1 and 2.
And yes, we can go to Tesla's Q3 slide deck where they said Cortex was a total of 81,000 H100 equivalents. And just super rough math, that would be in the neighborhood of about an 80 MW system. And I know this all just sounds like arbitrary numbers, but why this really matters is because version 13 was likely powered and enabled by Cortex 1 coming online toward the end of 2024. And the last update we got from Elon was that FSD is not limited by compute.
So that's why the expectation is that Cortex 2 will primarily be for training optimists. But hopefully you get the picture of why that 500 MW being online maybe in the next six months is such a huge deal. And yes, Elon meant this summer because that podcast was recorded in December. So Tesla might be going from having in the neighborhood of 80 MW of compute at Cortex 1 online to having 500 additional MW online in the next six months.
So whether Tesla uses that capacity for FSD, Optimists, or both, either way it's a massive win. And that's what I mean. The average person doesn't understand what Elon means when he says 500 MW coming online. It's like, okay, big deal. But hopefully that's enough context to understand why it is a big deal. And if it's true and they pull it off, Tesla's AI efforts should accelerate materially toward the end of this year.
And the last thing from this interview, I just need everybody to hear what Elon said. When do you think Optimists would be a better surgeon than the best surgeons? How long for that? Three years. Three years. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, that's a three or three years at scale. Yes. And there will be more probably be more Optimist robots that are great surgeons than there are all surgeons on earth. Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. First and foremost, this absolutely made it to the prediction tracker. Now, I'm out here reeling from my poor prediction about Tesla's unsupervised robot taxi scaling. Meanwhile, Elon is talking directly to millions of people saying that Optimists will be better than the best surgeons in three years at scale.
And he said there will be more Optimist robots that are great surgeons than all surgeons on earth. Now, just to let you know where I'm at on this one, I'd be comfortable going on record saying Optimists will have done a total of zero surgeries within the next three years. And yes, I have added that to the tracker. Of course, I would love to be wrong here, but I just have serious doubts about those timelines and you know, I'm expecting many Optimist challenges and setbacks and hurdles and delays. But I think it's fair to siphon from this Elon prediction that Tesla has done something truly special with the Optimist hand and that with Cortex too, to some degree, anything is possible.
And I'd be the first to say a lot can happen in three years once Tesla can get production of Optimists up and running. So for me, I do think it'll be similar to FSD in the sense that it is slowly at first and then all at once. We're still stuck in the slowly at first phase for FSD, but hopefully we get the all at once sometime later this year. So for me, I'm expecting a similar story with Optimists. But Elon has missed terribly on predictions like this with the 20 million vehicles a year one and his FSD timelines. So this could easily be another one of those. All I know for sure, it's going to be a blast to watch it unfold.
Alexandra Tesla Boomer Mama continues to do excellent work for the Tesla community and really Tesla. On January 13th, there will be a hearing on motor vehicle safety and autonomous vehicle legislation. So if you would like to help, I will have this link below as she included a lot of contact information for your local representatives and she did include both email and phone scripts as well. So if you'd like to make your voice heard, now would be a great time to do so to encourage your local representatives to pass legislation that is more accommodative to autonomous vehicles.
Alexandra Tesla Boomer Mama 继续为特斯拉社区和特斯拉本身做出卓越的贡献。1月13日将有一场关于机动车安全和自动驾驶汽车立法的听证会。如果您想帮忙,我会在下面提供一个链接,因为她提供了很多本地代表的联系信息,包括电子邮件和电话脚本。如果您想表达您的意见,现在是个好时机,可以鼓励当地代表通过更有利于自动驾驶汽车的立法。
As you can see on the Energy and Commerce website, this hearing will be on multiple bills and proposals. And in case you're wondering where Sawyer got that 90,000 vehicle number, it's from right here. We've talked about this a lot how currently NITSA offers exemptions for vehicles that don't meet the FMVSS requirements, specifically vehicles that don't have wheels or pedals. But right now that cap is 2500 vehicles, but there are proposals out there that would bump that up to 90,000.
And as I said on X, that number feels so arbitrary because if you're going to let one company deploy 90,000 autonomous vehicles, why stop there? If you're letting them already do that, then we can safely assume that the data says the vehicles are safe enough. So we'll see if they comment on that number further and it does matter because as we know Tesla is the only company that's going to come close to running up against that cap. WAMO wouldn't sniff that limit any time this year and likely not in 2027 either. And the truth is I don't think Tesla comes anywhere near that limit this year for the CyberCab, but in 2027 the story will hopefully be different.
So it's completely up in the air what happens at this hearing, but the good news is it's happening. Another bill said the current FMVSS standards were not designed with fully autonomous vehicles in mind, creating certification challenges and slowing design and production of vehicles without drivers. And did Elon's recent dinner with Trump have anything to do with this hearing being set a few days after? Honestly, I doubt it given how short the turnaround was, but either way I will always prefer Elon to be in good graces with whomever the president is.
But the problem with all of this is when the bills might actually go into effect. Just this one as an example they said not later than one year after the date of enactment of this act, the secretary shall develop a roadmap to achieve commercial scale deployment of level four and level five autonomous vehicles. So hypothetically, if this act was enacted later this year, it wouldn't be until late 2027 until that roadmap is out there. In terms of timelines, of course, it's nearly impossible to say, but I would say bullish scenario if everything goes swimmingly and the house approves one or some of these bills, then maybe a Senate bill could follow that up sometime in the summer. Then they'd have the back and forth work out any remaining differences and potentially get to a reconciliation sometime between July and August this year.
Then on the other hand, if things don't go well and there's a lot of pushback, I think a more bearish scenario would be another 12 to 15 months, which would take us to roughly Q1 2027. But the good news is this is what we've all been waiting for to hear and update on what's going on. We just want to know that everybody is working on it. And now the ball will be rolling a bit more publicly starting January 13th. And listen, the truth is Tesla investors making noise in the past has absolutely moved the needle. So once again, a reminder, Alexander's article will be below if you want to make your voice heard.
Just this week on LinkedIn, Melanie Portillo said, get ready, Dallas and Fort Worth. I'm excited to share I've joined Tesla to help launch the autonomous robot taxi operations fleet coming back to the autonomous vehicle space feels full circle and there's no better company to do it with. She's officially the robot taxi operations manager starting this month. And just to be clear, Austin is not part of the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex. And the reason Melanie said returning is because she used to work at cruise as a commercial operations manager, also in the same area.
On the Tesla careers page right now, Tesla is hiring for robot taxi operations manager in two other cities, both in Florida, one in Dorao and the other in Orlando. What this role will do monitor service trends and develop standards and processes to maintain the uptime of the robot taxi fleet, understand and improve all aspects robot taxi service performance, championing safety, efficiency quality and technical acumen in service operations. Lead daily operations from service to cleaning to managing our lost and found process and coordinate across the market and other teams at Tesla to remove blockers to the growth of the robot taxi program.
So the pieces are being put in place and it really does feel like the floodgates should be opening at any point. I'm not saying I think it's going to happen in Q1. Part of me feels like 14.3 and reasoning in the model and banish are going to be key pieces here because remember, Elon said that would be the last big piece of the puzzle. But in just over two weeks we'll have a quarterly call and hopefully learn a lot more.
In case you missed it, XAI just officially raised $20 billion which exceeded the $15 billion target. And it's not official but the word is with this latest funding round, XAI is now valued at a $230 billion pre-money valuation. And this is exactly why many of us started saying Tesla should invest in XAI back when it was valued at around 5 to 10 billion dollars. For what it's worth, I would still be good with Tesla investing in XAI, but if they don't do it before the valuation gets to a trillion dollars, then most of the upside will already be gone. And hear me, I said most of the upside not all of it.
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