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This February 2015, a Tesla's corporate headquarters in Palo Alto, California. A Tesla Communications Manager looks up from his laptop to see a colleague get the door.
Oh, hey, you want to order some lunch? I was thinking Chinese.
噢,嗨,你想订餐吗?我在考虑吃中餐。
I don't even think about Chinese food right now. You got to learn to separate food and business. Come on, have you seen the numbers? We're getting hammered by Chinese EVs and hybrids. We only sold 35-hundred cars there last year. Just way below what Elon projected, and on top of that, we lost woo.
Tesla lured Veronica Woo away from Apple to lead Tesla's expansion. As company president in China, she wanted Tesla to partner with other car dealerships. Musk wasn't having it. After only nine months on the job, Woo left the company. That was a gut punch, but the buyers do love their Tesla's and are super active on social media.
That's what that loves going to disappear if they can't charge their electric cars. Nearly 75% of people in China's urban areas live in apartments where most can't charge their cars. And some owners say shared garage charging poses a fire hazard. Musk promised ten months ago that he would have a network of hundreds of high-speed supercharging stations soon. Right now there are only twenty-three, making potential customers nervous about buying.
And we have another problem. What's that? The Model S is pricey, which wealthy Chinese people love, but it's like a foot shorter than most luxury SUVs. You know, it's go big or go home in that market. The Model X will be in China next year, and it's tall, but just like the Model S, it's going to need a lot more supercharging stations. The Chinese government has a five-year plan to create charging stations for five million EVs by 2020. Musk has to make good on his promise of a free supercharger network. If he doesn't, he risks being left in the dust.
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From Wanderie, I'm David Brown and this is Business Wars. In our last episode, Tesla finessed a technological edge by partnering with Panasonic to make the gigafactory, a behemoth manufacturing facility that can produce millions of batteries to fill Tesla's mass production needs, a necessity if it's to dominate the threat from Motor City EVs. But now, as Tesla is poised to own the American EV market, new nightmares are on the horizon.
Next year, Cadillac is going to have autonomous driving. They're calling it super-cruise. I think they're already testing a self-driving bull.
明年,凯迪拉克将推出自动驾驶功能,并称之为超级巡航。我想他们已经在测试一辆自驾的公牛了。
General Motors CEO, Barra, has announced plans to make sure the aging company is seen as a player as interest in EVs and self-driving cars. Mounds. She's calling for zero crashes, zero emissions and zero congestion. Can you believe the CEO of GM is saying that? The company who's bread and butter is those gas sucking trucks the size of freaking tanks.
Yeah, they're going to have their work cut out for them, especially going up against the rich geeks. Apple and Google and Uber are all working on self-driving EVs. Yeah, and Mercedes, Audi and BMW too. Everybody's got something in the works.
Yeah, if you ask me, Tesla has the edge. Big time. Musk's even blabbing about how owners can upgrade the autopilot software at home. While he's saying that in three years, Tesla's won't even have steering wheels.
Tesla's latest software allows the driver to turn on various self-driving features, like lane changing and auto-steering, side collision avoidance and parking. Yeah, but state and federal regulators are saying people have to keep their hands on the wheel, even if they're not controlling anything. And who the hell is libel if there's an accident? The car maker or the driver, Musk is saying Tesla won't cover accidents.
A waiter slides two plates of burgers in front of the man. The reporter's pounce on him, quietly contemplating for a moment, a future of self-driving cars.
一个服务员在这个男人面前放了两盘汉堡。记者们跳上前,安静地思考着一个自动驾驶汽车的未来。
Late October of 2015, at the offices of Consumer Reports Magazine in Yonkers, New York, I don't know what's happening in Silicon Valley, but the Model S has taken a dive. It sure is, growing pains, I guess. And editor in an automotive reviewer mulling over an article.
The magazine's reviews are some of the most respected and influential in the world, and not just for the auto industry. When the Model S debuted in 2012, the magazine gave it the highest rating of any card had ever reviewed. The endorsement helped boost the fledgling Tesla tremendously, especially in its war with Detroit.
"We're going to drop our recommendation. I don't see we have a choice. I mean, we surveyed 1,400 Model S owners, and people are complaining about everything from power and charging problems to door handles that don't work."
"Yeah, I guess it's no fun getting locked out of your $127,000 car. You know, if Tesla's going to be a player on the Detroit level, they can't have this kind of thing happening."
"I'll say one thing. Tesla owners are loyal as hell, and are surveyed 97% of them said they'd buy the same Tesla again."
我要说一件事。特斯拉的车主忠诚度非常高,有97%的车主在调查中表示他们会再次购买同样的特斯拉。
"Yeah, I get it. I'm a Cubs fan. Anyway, most of these cars are still under warranty, trying to fix this stuff when the warranty expires. Psh. It won't be cheap."
Tesla reports with draws its recommendation, and that hits Tesla hard. It's stock drops by 10%. And all that's chased by a nasty wave of bad publicity, and more complaints are coming from under its own roof.
In January 2016 at the Tesla factory in Fremont, California, the assembly line is humming around the clock.
在2016年1月,位于加利福尼亚州弗里蒙特的特斯拉工厂生产线日夜轰鸣。
"Look, Elon, these people need a break. They're exhausted. It's not sustainable."
"看啊,埃隆,这些人需要休息。他们筋疲力尽了,这样下去是不可持续的。"
Elon Musk is walking the factory floor with his deputy head of manufacturing, Josh Ensign. Musk spins around and glairs at Ensign.
伊隆·马斯克正在与他的制造副总裁乔什·恩辛一起走在工厂的车间。马斯克突然转身,瞪了恩辛一眼。
"A break? Are you kidding? We need to work faster. If we don't deliver this quarter, our investors will be pissed. We need to be doing 1000 cars a week by June."
Maybe not killing. But injuries are mounting. Manufacturing quality suffers. Hundreds of Model X SUVs fresh off the assembly lines are idling in the parking lot, with unfixed problems.
也许不是杀死,但伤害正在增加。生产质量受影响。数百辆刚刚从生产线下线的 Model X SUV 停在停车场,还存在未解决的问题。
Musk's nerves are shot. He's barely sleeping, working around the clock himself. He stalks the factory floor, micromanaging his people as they rush to assemble the EVs.
Ensign is at Whitsend. He moves in close to Musk and locks eyes with him.
恩赛恩在怀特森德。他走近马斯克,目光锁定在他身上。
"Elon, we need to give people at least a weekend off or we're going to have a mutiny on our hands."
埃隆,如果我们不给员工们至少一周末休息,我们就会面临叛变。
Musk glairs at him.
Musk毫不客气地瞪着他。
"A weekend off, I could be on a private island with naked supermodels drinking my ties, but guess what? I'm not. I'm right here on the floor with everybody else busting my ass every day. So don't talk to me about people needing a freaking weekend off."
Ensign watches the billionaire stalk off in a huff. He shakes his head thinking, the boss is lucky this isn't a union shop.
恩斯格尔看着这位亿万富翁愤怒地走开。他摇摇头想,老板很幸运这不是一个工会工厂。
In March, Musk announces via Twitter that Tesla is taking pre-orders for the Model 3. Buyers swamp Tesla stores armed with $1,000 deposits. Musk and the Tesla staff are blown away.
The Model S took months just to chalk up 3,000 pre-orders, but the Model 3 orders are already in the hundreds of thousands. The company's CFO predicts a gross revenue of $35 billion.
Model S花费了数月时间才获得了3,000个预定,但Model 3的订单已经达到了数十万份。公司的首席财务官预测总收入将达到350亿美元。
For the last decade, Musk has been telling anyone who listen. The Tesla will create a long range, truly affordable EV. Now, with the Model 3, he will make good on his promise for a mass-produced car for average consumers. It has a 200-mile range and a base model price tag of $35,000.
Musk has been promising it will debut in 2017. But at the end of 2016, in Tesla's home state of California, General Motors beats Musk to the punch. Chevrolet's all-electric bolt goes on sale in the Golden State, and it begins selling nationally in early 2017. It has a 238-mile range on a single charge, and after incentives, costs about $30,000.
It's the culmination of the green vision of former GM executive Bob Lutz that began with a Chevy Volt, now carried on by CEO Mary Barra. The Bolt is Detroit's challenge to the Silicon Valley outfit.
But in October 2017, GM announces buyers will have dozens of options by 2023. In fact, the president of GM tells CBS that it's planning an all-electric future. It's not so much if it's just how fast. Mark Royce is president of General Motors. He says electric cars will no longer be a novelty for the rich. GM is now betting big on batteries, planning to launch 30 new electric vehicles across a wide range of price points in the next five years.
Shortly after GM's announcement, Ford says it'll spend nearly $4.5 billion to add 13 EVs to its green slate in the coming years.
GM宣布不久之后,福特表示未来几年将投入近45亿美元,以在其绿色车型中增加13个电动车型。
Despite all the hype, EVs and hybrids make up only about 1% of car sales in the US. But it's clear the iconic car makers are taking the once-disruptive EV movement seriously. And maybe hoping to beat Tesla at its own game. And now the war between Tesla and pretty much every other car maker has another battle front. Hands-free, autonomous driving. And that means it's not just going green that has people concerned. People's lives are at stake.
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It's early 2017 at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration offices in Washington, DC. All right, so let's go over the basic facts again. Now 40-year-old man is driving a Tesla Model S at 74 miles an hour on a two-lane highway in Florida on a Saturday afternoon around 430. Good visibility, right? Right. That's when the semi-trailer crosses the highway. Two investigators are reviewing a tragic crash that occurred in May, a probe that they're about to close. So the truck didn't yield the right of way. So the Tesla driver goes under the trailer. It's the top of the car off. The vehicle hits a utility pole and ends up in someone's front yard. Drivers DOA. The Tesla was equipped with autopilot, the semi-autonomous cruise control feature. It's the first deadly incident involving a partly self-driving car. So I didn't the guy stop. A autopilot alerted him to keep his hands on the wheel seven times over a 37-minute drive. The software and braking system functioned as they were supposed to. Well, the conclusion we've come to is the truck was white. It blended in with the bright sky. Neither the driver or the autopilot sensor registered it, so the brakes didn't engage.
You can't fault Tesla. In the months after the fatal crash, the company issues software upgrades and a function that would disable autopilot if a driver ignores a warning three times. The last thing Musk needs is bad publicity around autopilot just as the Model 3 is set to debut. But the NHTSA probe clears Tesla. And there's more good news. The Federal probe actually finds that the overall crash rate of Tesla cars once autopilots installed dropped 40%. The findings give Tesla a momentous bump on Wall Street. On Monday, April 10, Tesla sales passed forward to become the country's second most valuable car manufacturer right behind General Motors. On April 16, six days later, Tesla closes the market day at over $51 billion.
Over the years, Musk has been derided for his Gonzo antics and hailed for his vision. However, when he feels about Elon Musk, this is a momentous occasion. He's taken Tesla from a near bankrupt company to becoming the most valuable car maker in the world. It's an unprecedented rise. It was unthinkable only 13 years ago when Tesla was launched out of a small Silicon Valley office. Still, the company has never had a profitable year. Musk pledges to make half a million cars in 2018. The total for 2016? Just over 76,000.
Its February of 2018. Elon Musk is cruising through Palo Alto, California in his Model S, waiting for his CFO to pick up the phone. Musk rolls his eyes. The day before his SpaceX launched Musk's 2010 Tesla Roadster into space with a dummy behind the wheel. The rocket needed a payload to launch into space. Musk said he wanted the silliest thing imaginable. Mission accomplished.
Yeah, hey, that's hilarious. Now give me the numbers. Well, getting the bugs out of the Model 3 is proving costly as hell. Here's already. We lost three quarters of a billion dollars in the fourth quarter. Jesus. We've got a wrap-up production. People are waiting on the Model 3 and last July. I promised we'd be making 20,000 a month by December. The EV has close to a half a million pre-orders. Now over a year after it's unveiling, the Model 3 has finally hit the market. But Tesla is still nowhere near getting it into mass production. Elon Delivery. Musk activates autopilot and closes his eyes for a second, shaking his head.
哇,嘿,那太搞笑了。现在给我数字。嗯,解决 Model 3 的问题成本巨大。在第四季度,我们已经损失了七百五十亿美元。天啊。我们必须加快生产进度,因为人们正在等待 Model 3。去年七月,我承诺到十二月我们将每月生产两万辆。电动汽车已经有接近五十万预订单了。现在,一年多后,Model 3 终于上市了。但 Tesla 还远未进入大规模生产阶段。伊隆·马斯克打开自动驾驶功能并闭上眼睛,摇了摇头。
We're in a deeper hell than I ever anticipated. It's our first time heading into high-volume production, Elon. It's uncharted territory. They're going to be hiccups, but we ramp up production and we'll be in the clear.. That damn well better be what we're going to do. I want to see 5,000 cars coming out of the factory every week by summer. We're getting battery delivery glitches figured out of the giga factory. That's been the big hurdle.
But we're closer every day and the good news is we're not taking any hits in the market. Investors still believe in Tesla. Well so do I. If we can send a roadster into space, we can get the Model 3 figured out here on Earth. As July begins, Musk's goal is met. 5,000 Model S Sedans roll off the assembly line in a single week. In other good news, Tesla closes a deal to open a factory in China, a move that is crucial to the company's growth and industry standing.
But Musk is not in celebration mode. He's worn to the bone, pulled in many directions. He's tweeting obsessively about everything from Tesla news to his inability to sleep. On the other side of the world, a group of young boys in Thailand find themselves in a situation far worse. It's totally unrelated to anything happening at Tesla, but Musk sees a role for himself. A boy's soccer team gets stuck deep underground in a flooded cave. The Thai Navy seals engage in a days long rescue effort to free the 12 young men. Musk believes that the engineers from SpaceX, the boring company, and Tesla can help.
Musk tweets that Tesla will create a mini submarine. The boys are rescued without help from Musk. When a British cave explorer named Vernon Unsworth tells the press, he thinks Musk's offer was a publicity stunt. Musk goes ballistic. He takes to Twitter referring to the man as, pedo guy, as in pedophile. The backlash is fast and strong. Tesla stock valuation plummets by $2 billion. Investors publicly wonder if Musk is losing his focus on Tesla.
On July 17th, his staff convinces him to apologize. The dark publicity storm fades. But Musk still has production issues with the model S that are not going away. The factory can't keep up with pre-orders and new sales are beginning to slow. Once again, Tesla is bleeding money. Musk is desperate, desperate enough to sell his company. He's thinking, who's big enough to absorb Tesla? He reaches out to Apple CEO Tim Cook, offering Tesla for $60 billion. Musk says Apple wasn't interested. The Cook later told The New York Times that he never took the call.
But Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund smells an opportunity and buys about $2 billion of Tesla shares. Musk is breathing again. And of course, he can't get on Twitter fast enough. He tells his millions of followers and considering taking Tesla private at $420, funding secured. The stock explodes. But there's a problem. Before a company makes such an announcement, it's required to give NASDAQ a heads up. Trading is then stopped while the news reaches all potential investors.
Missing that step triggers an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Once again, Musk's tweets land him in hot water. Two weeks later, Musk withdraws the threat to go private. The SEC filed suit threatening to remove Musk from his role as CEO. The SEC and Tesla reached a settlement. Musk can stay on his CEO but he must pay a fine of $20 million and his future tweets need to be monitored. Musk is far from contrite, but he hands over the money.
It's September 2018 at podcast host Joe Rogan Studio in Woodland Hills, California. It's a fence-mending mission and the smart money might guess this won't go as hoped. Musk is going on the show to try and mitigate the fallout from his recent PR nightmares. The pedoguy comment and his Twitter threats to go private. Musk agrees to appear on the Joe Rogan experience which has 11 million listeners to show he's a level-headed guy.
Musk's people are all for it. It's a chance for Musk to relax, flex his quirky charm, and perhaps appear less of a loose cannon. That's not exactly what happens. At one point, Rogan lights up a large splyph, puffs on it, and hands it to Musk. Is that a joint? Or is it a cigar? It's marijuana inside of tobacco. Okay. Is it like posh tobacco? You never had that? Yeah, I think I tried one once. Come on man. You probably can't because stockholders, right? I mean it's legal, right? It's totally legal. Okay. How does that work? Did people get upset at you if you do certain things?
This was definitely not the look his PR team was going for. Though Musk is initially cautious, it doesn't take long before he takes a hit, then swallows some booze. The party boy appearance does nothing to tranquilize Musk's image. It's another head scratching moment for everyone from investors to critics to Tesla's staff. But Musk seems unfazed.
It's October 2018 on Wall Street. Two traders are grabbing a drink after a hell of a Monday. They spend a lot of time paying close attention to Tesla. Holy crap, thank God Musk settled with the SEC.. You know, even as crazy as he is without him running the show, no telling what might happen to that company.
I know the guy keeps failing upwards, but people love Tesla. That stock was up 17% after the SEC announcement. That's a one day record for Tesla. And they actually managed to hit like 83,000 Model S deliveries. Not the 100,000 Musk's been promising, but still, yeah, it's kind of amazing.
But the most amazing thing of all, now can I get a drum roll? No, I'm busy drinking. Anyway, I know the answer. 312 million bucks profit for the quarter. Most they've ever made. You know, stockholders has psyched about that. Hey, a Tesla can keep that up next year and kill it with a Model 3. Elon Musk is going to be hard to stop.
Yup, he can smoke all the weed he wants on Rogan. Musk doesn't really care about the fallout from his high profile dope puffing. It's a bad look, but people have gotten used to Musk's antics. Maybe some even look forward to them. But Tesla is heading for an image crisis that can't be laughed off in a haze of smoke.
It's November 2019 in Palo Alto, California. The third quarter is going to kick ass thanks to China. Thank God, the government's basically funding the thing. The Shanghai deal is even better than the Nevada gig of factory. Two Tesla board members are taking a stroll in the sun near company headquarters, basking in the company's current good fortune.
It's about time. For the past year, Musk has been obsessed with cutting costs while increasing production. And it's paying off. Taking the Model 3 in China is genius, the government's completely dedicated to EVs. We funnel them straight into the market. This quarter's way up and the next is going to be even better. And don't forget Norway, we're selling out Model 3's as soon as the boat docks.
It's all good, my friend. We're worth more than 4GM and Fiat Chrysler put together. Hey, you hear about Elon's trip to the Shanghai Factory next month? It's going to be a damn victory lap. He invited customers and workers. They're going to be thousands at the party.
A pair stop and save the moment. Wow. It just feels like we're finally out of the dark. I know, the sheer amount of **** this company's dealt with. It's all worked out. What can go wrong now?
In March of 2020, something happens that even Elon Musk can't control coronavirus. But that doesn't mean Musk won't fight the deadly pandemic. When the order to close all non-essential businesses and shelter at home is issued in Alameda County, Musk ignores it as long as he can, keeping his free-mont factory running.
Musk gets on Twitter, venting his feelings about the virus that's halted much of the world. He writes, The coronavirus panic is dumb. The email to his employees saying, I will personally be at work, but that's just me. Totally okay if you want to stay home for any reason. Closing up shop at the California Factory just doesn't fit with Musk's production of the Model Y compact SUV.
That'll mean a loss of $800 million a month. Maybe more. It's out of the question. But as the virus becomes increasingly deadly, the mandatory ruling to shut down the factory extends into May. Musk has had enough.
It's early May in Fremont, California. Tesla Factory worker Carlos Gabriel and a colleague are taking a break in the parking lot of the massive facility. How are you feeling? Not so far so good, but I know a dozen people have gone home with fever this week alone. Yeah, I was out sick myself with flu symptoms. They're not taking this seriously. Where's the plan from this company? We got thousands of people working here and this thing is deadly. I don't get it.
The government saying stay home. Musk is calling him fascists. He says people need their freedom. What? Freedom to get sick and die at work? That's crazy. I'm starting a petition about this. I'll send it to you.
The petition gets Gabriel mentioned in the New York Times. But it does little good. Musk orders his employees back to work by May 8. Factories in Detroit are up and running. He's depending on the model why to be profitable and he wants to keep up the momentum. As stockholders applaud his determination to keep Tesla on top, local authorities allow the factory to reopen with extra health measures in place.
By July of 2020, Tesla stock rises to $1,000 a share exceeding the valuation of even Toyota. Now Tesla is the most valuable car company on the planet. Eight months later, the company is valued at $800 billion. Musk was always wealthy. Now he's super rich with an estimated worth of close to $200 billion as 2021 kicks in.
Once again, Tesla is at the top of this roller coaster ride. On February 9, 2021, Tesla is hit hard with a lawsuit alleging rampant racism and sexual harassment at the company. The suit filed by California's Agency for Fair Employment claims Tesla created a hostile environment for African Americans over the course of many years.
Tesla immediately denies the accusations, which are nothing short of horrific. The story explodes in the media. On February 15, NPR reporter Camila Domonoski reveals the sorted details contained within the suit on all things considered. It's just page after page of allegations, copious use of racial slurs, including the N word, racist graffiti. Black workers and only black workers assigned to scrub the floor on hands and knees.
Black workers being denied promotions, being punished more severely than colleagues, and being retaliated against. This is not about a single person or incident. Tesla is sweeping in the state seeking monetary damages and an end to the behavior. Tesla says the suit is misguided. Industry insiders predict that Tesla will fight the suit, and Musk is no stranger to taking on the government.
Since 2003, Tesla, this small startup from Silicon Valley with zero experience in the car business, has successfully taken on the world's biggest automakers. Tesla has weathered crushing financial situations and horrendous public image crises and still risen to the top. Many of its battles are ongoing. How the racism suit will affect the company remains to be seen.
But the very things that Detroit smirked at years ago are now embraced by the industry's biggest manufacturers. Tesla's vision of managing production under one roof from batteries to assembly has allowed Tesla to prosper as other brands have scrambled to catch up. Tesla has grown to lead the industry into the EV future.
Not long ago, software was a term with no relation to a roaring V8 engine. Now iconic automakers like Mercedes-Benz and Ford are hiring programmers and engineers to create digital operating systems for entire vehicles. The broad appeal of electric vehicles is growing.
As the world gets greener, emissions regulations in many countries are becoming increasingly strict, and more brands are introducing more models, like Ford's F-150 Lightning do out this year and all electric truck with a range of up to 300 miles, unthinkable only a few years ago. Bloomberg Green predicts more than 10 million EV and plug-in hybrids will sell worldwide in 2022, led by China's massive car market.
That's almost 4 million more than last year, and it all began with Tesla. The key to the company's success has been a press-ent command of technology and fostering its own supply chain. And of course, the man behind it all, love Elon Musk or hate him, he did what most in Detroit considered ludicrous. His strategy of disruption worked. Though Motor City is revving hard to overtake him.
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From Wondery, this is episode 4 of Tesla vs Detroit for Business Wars. Next on Business Wars, buckle up as we journey through the state of electric vehicles today and tomorrow with Wired Staff Rider, Ariane Marshall. Plus, Bloomberg Automotive Reporter Dana Hall talks about Tesla's turmoil behind the scenes, including allegations over racism in their California factories.
A quick note about recreations you've been hearing in most cases we can't know exactly what was said, those scenes or dramatizations, but they're based on historical research. If you'd like to read more about Tesla, we recommend Powerplay by Tim Higgins and Elon Musk, Tesla's SpaceX and the Quest for a Fantastic Future by Ashley Vance.
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