My name's Gary Stevenson. In 2011, I was city banks' most profitable trader in the world. This is everything I'm authorised to tell you about being a trader for one of the world's biggest banks. You become the best trader in the world for one of the biggest banks in the world, and then somebody sits you down and threatens you basically like a gangster. It kind of makes you realise that they're the same people. When I started working, it was this kind of a bit of a mad environment. I always remember the other, always reminded of, you know, when you hear footballers talk about like, footballers from the 90s and the 2000s talking about when they came through in the stupid, like hazing rituals and stuff.
Like on my first week, they made me buy like 100 burgers and carry them up and like give them around the trading for this kind of thing. There was a lot of that kind of nonsense going on and there was a lot of people getting taken out to expensive restaurants and clubs and taken out to holidays. I got taken to Vegas when I was 21 before I went to Jay-Z's after party in LA and then I went to Carmel Electric's birthday party. I hadn't even started working full-time and one of the nights I kind of even remember. It must have been like $20,000 or $30,000 one night in a Vegas club. To me, it was really weird because, you know, I come from a very poor background and like, I was in a VIP table in LA with a bunch of like 35 year olds who were paying girls who looked just like the girls I was starting out with at uni to hang out with them, you know what I mean?
My specific desk started to make enormous amounts of money, which was like, it was really crazy for me. I was like super young and like, some of the guys I was working with like pretty crazy guys and then they started getting like really big for their boots and one of the guys immediately got one of their secretaries' pregnant like within like a week. What it meant was the amount of money we were getting pages for sitting in our seats went up a lot, which meant that you could afford to lose a lot of money without it appearing like you were losing a lot of money. So for example, if you're making 100 grand a day for the bank just for sitting in your seat, you could afford to lose 100 grand a day on bad bets and not actually be officially losing money.
Obviously, I know now that there's like this massive stereotype, the trade is take cocaine. So I was expelled from school for selling three pounds worth of cannabis when I was just 10, 16 and I was like, that's it, no more drugs, I'm off drugs, no more drugs ever again. So I never, I've never taken cocaine in my life and you know, I turn up in the place, everyone's like going out partying till like 2M3M getting to work at 5 in the morning and I was like, how the f*** do these guys do it? You know, they're older than me as well. But by my late 20s, I'm eight so I'm eight so I'm taking cocaine and they were doing that thing that people on cocaine do where they talk like just at you a lot really quickly and they're being really boring but they don't notice they're doing it. And then of course that is what my whole career had been like and then I realized that f*** me. Were those guys just on cocaine the whole time and then since then one of my colleagues who is very upset about the book came out and said like he spent, I think he was spending 80,000 pounds a year on cocaine. Yeah, which is. But the funniest thing is like, I had no idea what's happening. I had no idea what's happening. I just, I thought he was an alcoholic.
Probably the madness thing was again, this guy Rupert from a very rich background but he, he really took to me really quickly and you know, sometimes I feel bad about the way I portray him because he really was good to me. He really like sponsored my career, drove me through and he would take me out like with all of his mates and he didn't clap him and I didn't offer him which is like totally opposite ends of London and he'd take me out of all his clapper mates and like we'd be going to a f***ing movie that which is a big expensive club and like expensive restaurants and you know, he'd normally let me go like around midnight because otherwise I'd miss the last train and he'd have to pay for a taxi but it was like no stay. He kept me out later and later in the end, I stayed around, ended up staying on his place. I woke up, I felt like f***ing. I went into the office, I just threw up. I went into, I had to go to the bathroom to just threw up.
The boss sent me home. Next day I came in early and the boss was like, oh did Rupert do that to you and I would just laugh, you know. Then when Rupert came in the boss goes to him, Gary said you did that to him and I knew that he'd be furious right and at the time he used to sit two seats to the left of me but there was an empty seat between us and I just thought I don't look at him just I could kind of feel it burning into my cheek and then I started to hear like at first just kind of like a gentle growling, like a growling in the back like a like this and then I just think, I just don't look at him, I need to start to get like louder, like this growling gets like louder and louder. He's on the training field in front of everyone, I'm just thinking, don't I hear like this bang, this big bang right and then I think like, I better turn around now because like what the f*** has he done and he's, we used to have like all the computing stations were like behind these doors and he'd kick the door so like smashed into the brackets and he was just kicking out of that and he was turned around in his chair like leaning over towards me like that, like that, like like gnashing his teeth like a like a f*** dog at me and growling me and I just looked at him and he did it for about, it must have been at least 10 seconds just like growling that gnashing his teeth at me in front of everyone and then I just f***ed, look back and then he just started, started the growling, started to just chill and then he just kept on with his work and he never mentioned it again, that was it.
There's these brokers who kind of match the traders together and their job is to help you get deals done, you know, you yourself want to buy here and they're supposed to find a seller but in reality what they were doing a lot of is basically taking people out, taking people to, and they had this kind of really interesting skill if they sort of, they know what you like so you know one of the guys wanted to go to like fancy restaurants and drink red wine and other guy wants to get like VIP tables at fancy nightclubs and other guy wants to get taken on holidays and other guy wants to go to sports events but the truth is when I got taken out by these guys even when I went to Vegas we were going to like celeb parties in LA and Vegas, for me it was work, it was just work and I was just trying to sort of be the Gary that these guys wanted me to be and it was quite fun didn't really realize because most people that go in there now come from rich backgrounds, their dad was rich, their mum was rich, their friends are rich, all their mates have similar jobs, all their mates go to these VIP clubs, you know, their booking tables and they go into fancy restaurants, for them it's just part of their social scene but for me it was totally taking me out of the social scene I was from so I kind of hated it to be honest and plus there's this weird thing that happens where like brokers will take you to like, I remember they took me to watch England my first England game and then the next day they're like oh can you do this deal for me and then you realize like oh there's a kind of like hidden little quid pro quo here which I wasn't really comfortable with so eventually like I started to dislike say like I don't meet, I don't meet no brokers, I don't go for no dinners, I instituted Nando's only rule, so for Americans don't know what Nando's is, Nando's is a popular grilled chicken chain, I said if you want to meet Gary you go to Nando's canary wolf, I pay for me, you pay for you, that's the rule but then, but then I was like the biggest trainer in like one of the biggest traders in the world so like so many people went to go to Nando's for me, I was eating f***ing Nando's every day so I just sort of like, cut off and I became very anti-social actually, I think people realize like Gary's just not this kind of kid you know he doesn't want like, I think you know the brokers, the traders maybe are not socially aware to realize it but the brokers because their job is kind of the party people and also a lot of the brokers come from poor backgrounds and come from my neck of the woods, they realize very quickly Gary is just here pretending to have a good time so that other traders have a good time because that's exactly what they're doing and they realize like listen Gary just doesn't really want, this is not his game really and they sort of let me get away from that.
These guys are mainly people who couldn't cut it as traders so they try to like climb the greasy pole and what they make their money on is basically internal politics. The kind of person who decides to make their money managing internal politics as an investment bank is usually a bit of a b***. The management is just like, it's just an absolute cesspool really. I remember talking, my manager's manager who in the book we called the slug, I remember talking to like one of my mates on another trading desk and he was like I'll tell you what if he was your intern he was an hiring widger
so I became the Swiss Frank trader when I was 22 which is really really young and the way it happened was my boss he was a Swiss Frank trader quit and a new boss got put in and he was a really nice guy but he seemed a little bit kind of like like dopey in a way and he come over one to introduce himself to me and the way he introduced himself to me was he just sat down next to me and he pulled out a copy of the spooks illustrated and he flicked through the magazine like he opens it like that like that to me and he's like do you like that and I was like yeah it's nice and he's like the next, he did the whole one at a time so he didn't even say hi he didn't say his name and then I figured out this guy must be the new f*** boss but
then he stood up and he said to me what's your job on the desk then and I was thinking like I'm the best junior right and I was thinking like surely f***ing is at my job is and there's this kind of moment where I'm looking at him and he's looking at me and I'm thinking like and I told him I'm the Swiss Frank trader which was my old boss's job and he was just like oh right okay all right fine I loved my second boss but he was totally insane I remember once he sat me down just like Gary I really to apologize and I was like what for and he was like we can't give you a salary increase and I'd never even ask
the one and the previous year I'd been paid 400,000 pounds and he seemed genuinely worried about whether I could survive on it you know and then I would just like I just said to him yeah I'm it's really tough well what else can you say to these guys yeah another time my boss for a phone at my colleagues head because my colleague had got angry and he'd thrown his phone at his screens but obviously like now with these LCD screens they don't like smash so he was like he didn't really just go and then he so picked the phone smashing it on the desk and then and then he started trying to trade through the same phone so he was like
hitting these like Johnny what's three months are he wasn't working and then he was just shouting and then he just banging his phone so then my boss shouted over to him like what's wrong and he obviously wasn't listening and then he asked me what's wrong then I said I think JB's phone's broken so this boss just went over to the end and just picked up a phone and just like lobbed it in the air and on this guy's head and then the weirdest thing is it totally calmed him down totally effectively calmed the guy then yeah I don't know it's the only thing I ever saw get escalated to HR was a guy who stole money from another trader and even
that there was a general consensus on the desk that he shouldn't have escalated to HR that he should have just we should have dealt with it between us yeah it was there was a kind of a there's just like a kind of pirate ship vibe about it like you know you know it's that it's a very masculine way of like you know we sold it out between us we don't go to HR because the truth is a lot of people do do dodgy s*** not people get away with it because if you're making money on it management maybe it's changed but management I'm not going to ask I was making a ton of money tons of money nobody ever asked how I was making it management never asked how I was making it because if you're doing something dodgy
they would rather that just a slide they're going to get paid on it rather than to find out when you lose money you get a lot of stress gets placed on you um the worst thing from my perspective and from the perspective of many traders is that you get you're no longer allowed to trade and that's what traders want to do they want to trade it only happened to me once I was only once ever in the red which was in my second full year as a trader in 2010 so I was 23 I'd put a big bet on which had some risk to Swiss interest rates and the Swiss central bank suddenly cut rates to negative four and a half percent for some crazy reason specifically using the the product that I was betting on I lost eight million dollars in a week
The smartest thing about it was it was the right bet if I was allowed to keep that position I would have made it all but I was allowed to keep that position so you end up four million dollars in the red and you have to fight your way out of me I'm pretty sure my salary was 36k when I first started which was a good salary for the time I mean it's not even a bad salary even now P&L is profit and loss and it's the only thing that matters in the world if you're a trader basically and every single day every week every month every year your individual P&L is calculated everyone's individual P&L is calculated and it goes around on a spreadsheet every day so every day you get a spreadsheet that tells you every single traders P&L which obviously means like if you're the best trader you're the best trader but if you're losing money everybody can see it's very clear who the best is and it's very clear who the worst is and that starts to become how you interact with other people and starts to become how you see other people there's this kind of beautiful fairness to it in a weird way and I think there's not a lot of places in the world other than sort of the football pitch where a kid like me from nowhere can come in and compete with all of these multi-millionaires from rich families and be like the guy at 24 traders in my department were getting paid about 7% of their P&L but I didn't know that at first and there's this kind of idea like you can't ask anyone what their bonus is so it's like really mysterious and then this thing happened after my first bonus the beginning of 2010 when I got paid nearly £400,000 which will be like at the time maybe $700,000 so much more than I've been expecting and it kind of broke me a little bit and I just became like oh my god there's so much money to be made here this is it all we're doing now is trading and then obviously the next year I lost this $8 million in a week really quickly and that that just again beat me like you have to be better you have to be more serious you have to work hard though and I just became like I became like this machine
Most of the traders in my opinion were not making huge amounts of money from taking risky positions speculative positions they're making most of their money from the customers but they're kind of trying to pretend they're making it from their bets but most traders want to be making money from betting because that's that's the that's sort of the glamorous side of it you know like you know can you can you actually beat the market it wasn't really till 2011 that I started to make some big bets you know like I always remember in 2011 the Japanese nuclear disaster I made a ton of money on the Japanese nuclear disaster not because I had been expecting it to be a Japanese nuclear disaster but because I was betting on economic weakness you bet in economic weakness this crazy thing happens that there's no way you could have predicted you make a ton of money well some people with other way around right you know some people would have lost a ton of money on the nuclear disaster people sometimes turn around to me and they say oh it's it's terrible that you you made money betting on these things happening and you know I made money betting on I made money from the Japanese earthquake right 20,000 people died in that earthquake in that in the following tsunami I didn't make that tsunami happen I think that's important to realize and these guys job is to bet on it and to be right on it and they're very very heavily incentivized to be right the payment structure is
very weird or at least it was back then you would get paid a lot of money in a bonus but it would be like deferred so you get this money in four years since I left banking this rule came in this EU law that limited bonuses as a multiple of salary which meant that the way payment happened is completely changed now because that of that bonus cap what they would have to do instead is they massively increase your salary and since then salaries have increased massively and bonuses have decreased massively which decreases the incentivization to take risk and it also increases the incentivization to kind of sit on your chair and sit around and like take the money
so I won the card game I won my job in a card game I was very good student I did maths and economics I got very good grades but turns out and I didn't on this beforehand the way to get a job is you have to get an internship in your second year so you have to apply on with cvs and people at lc would be sending like 35 cvs to different banks but obviously like because they're from rich families they've kind of prepped for this right so everybody has like some really quite shakeric killers like they founded the junior united nations or some s*** or they're like concept pianist you know and I was like working in the sofa shop and like trying to become like a like a grime rapper when I was a kid and so I was like s*** basically because you can't we can't get it and I but I had quite a good rep has been like good grades and he's smart kid a guy also in the math department from near above I didn't know he was walked up from your library one day and just said city bank high one trade review to a card game he's basically a maths game you should enter that and and you'll win
so I was like yeah let's just let's just go for it let's throw ourselves into this card game and that's why I got my job that card game is called the trading game it's um it's a betting game basically so there's a special deck of cards some low cards some high cards five players we all get a card and then essentially we're we're making bets on what the total number of the cards is so if I've got a low card I should think it's going to be low and I'm betting it's going to be low I'm making sell bets essentially and it's structured to be like financial markets like a buy price and a sell price I had the big advantage which was this guy had explained me the rules of the game before the game itself other people going into the event not knowing the rules of the game if you are a maths or economic student when you play a game like this you are going to immediately do this thing which you'll talk to do at university in mathematical subjects calculate the expected probability which is like okay these are the cards in the game this is what we expect it to be oh but I've got a really low card so it's going to be lower like this everyone's going to do like that so that is the instinctive thing that like a maths or an economics or a statistic student is going to do so I've got a low card I think the total is going to be 50 you've got a high card you think the total is going to be 70 so I start saying 49 51 you know I'm going to trade and you're going to start saying 69 71 it makes sense but it's actually quite a stupid thing to do because number one you immediately give away your card first thing but number two if I'm there and this guy's quoting around 50 and you're quoting around 70 I can buy at 50 and sell at 70 and make like 20 instant free profit and I would just just did that bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam it's really really stupidly easy in a way but I mean of course I was only able to do that because I had the rules in advance that's all on the first round just by kind of taking advantage of this kind of stupidity
Second round was the national finals I developed a new strategy which is kind of around sort of bullying the price around manipulating the price around it worked really well then there was a final of the final final five guys and this is like if you win this you're getting into the big thing I came in with a really low card really low card so I know the thought was going to be low and my strategy was to bully the price up and to try and sell at a high price so I just bullied up bullied up bullied up game finishes and I spent the whole game selling because at a high price and like mathematically it was almost impossible for me to lose because the price was really high and my card is really low but then when everyone turned their cards over the other cards in the game were the seven highest possible cards which the the chances of it happening by chance are like one in maybe like 15 million or something ridiculously impossible chance so I realized I knew that the game must have been rigged but I don't think anyone else noticed and um I was just thinking like what the f*** like these guys have rigged the game against me like I couldn't really then the guy goes to the front to announce the winner and he announced that I thought I was the winner even though my actual score in the final of the final was like negative and he said Gary's scores in the like the the warps were so good we wanted to test him in the final to see what he did if everything was against him to see if he would like really back himself and he did back himself and that's what we like to see so we decided he's the winner of the game even though actually you lost and um tells you a little bit about the crazy people that work in this world
I think the guys who did come into the card then tended to end up being really good trainers at the bank this CV cover letter there's a massive amount of classism in that it's this because everyone has the top grade basically it's based on every curricula it's based on how good you are at like a f*** caronet basically but then you know kids like me will poke holes in your objective methods but they're probably going to be the best traders really so I was a trader professional trader for city bank 2008 until 2014 I was at LSE the London School of Economics before I went into banking everyone at LSE is obsessed with banking obsessed with trading so they you get a good sense of what everybody wants and back before 2008 everybody wanted to work in credit which of course is the area that you know blew the globe the economy up but the guys who were working in it before they blew the economy up we're making a ton of money so everybody wanted to go there I went into this unfashionable area because they said you can start straight away and you can start trading straight away which is really unusual but they let me do that trading sort of changed in the sort of early 2000s 2010s it became a lot more mathematical there's this cultural shift where it goes away from being these kind of guys ex-rogment players and of which there used to be a lot of that kind of thing in banking towards you know LSE graduates Harvard graduates you know maths graduates physics graduates who are very like honorable with maths I think America's like is very good actually it's um you know it shows this guy is in banking and he becomes a murderer and he's really clearly a dickhead but I knew people at LSE that would memorize all of his lines by heart and they loved him and the reason is because he's really handsome
He's really rich he's in great shape he's got a really beautiful girlfriend he's got a really expensive flat and I think no matter how much you try to say about his a dickhead if you've put that in front of a 1819 year old boy you're gonna f*** a lot of 1819 year old boys up I'd wake up at say 5.30 I used to have 7.30 it was like you have to be in by 7.30 or you're late so I'd be up at 5.30 had my little blackberry looking through the emails looking through the prices have a bit of breakfast have a shower cycle down during slanting it to work about trying to get there roughly about seven so trading for an under the massive massive massive trading floor it's in a big skyscraper in Canary Wharf which is in the east end of London not far from where I grew up not far from where I live now it's only on the second floor it's not the top floor the trading floors are all quite low down these are the floors that are making the most money long long rows of men with huge walls of screens sort of nine monitors 12 monitors up in a big square rectangle around them and most people have that and they'll be sitting back to back in these long rows you know it's classic skyscraper environments my trading desk was in the foreign exchange department which back then had the very sort of boisterous ladish atmosphere I came in first day in a suit and they got the guys were like no suits no tires whereas I think the European Bank's like Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank they're likely to wear suits and then I'd be checking my positions you know really there was a really big rush in the morning from sort of 8am to about 10th day am d-m with all the customers so between 8 and sort of 10th day 11 would just be a mad rush by then I'd be knackered I'd go and get massive nandos sit there smash my nandos down then in the afternoon it's actually quite chill because Citibank offers a 20 for our pricing service which means there's a period where if you call up you get the London trader there's a period where you get the New York trader and there's a period where you get the Sydney trader by our afternoon we've handed over to New York they're doing the business so we're sitting around reading the newspaper sort of chatting but in the evening yeah you chill out read the paper check your making money I was making a lot of money so sort of celebrate then we'd finish at about five earlier on in my career I'd get dragged out a lot with like the senior traders drinking and go into fancy restaurants and I kind of hated that to be honest but by the end of my career I say I was about 24 I was you know I'd go I'd cycle back home I'd leave about five cycle home go to the gym cook dinner with my flatmate you know watch the football if it's on obviously I'm waking up at 5 30 so you know I'm wasn't like big on the nightlife a lot of people were waking up at 5 30 and also big on the nightlife and I didn't understand how they did it but I think I understand more now things even when you're there really there's only sort of three or three or four hours of hard work and that was because I was the euro trader
which was like that was definitely the most work of anyone what you really were at the time you were the risk holder you were the risk holder your job was to be the person who made the decisions and took the risk and who took the hit if you were wrong first thing says there's lots of different kinds of traders trading lots of different kinds of things I was an interest rate trader it means I was borrowing and lending money interest rates traders borrow and lend money and the idea is quite simple you want to borrow a low interest rate and you want to lend a high interest rate so a lot of what is done on that desk the stirred desk the short term interest rates trading desk is one day loans corporations pension funds hedge funds that have loans running out will come to people like me and say we've got a loan in six months what interest rate will you give us for a loan starting in six months time on a very very basic level when the economy is good sometimes just because inflation is overheating the central bank's raise rates and they cut rates when the economy is weak so in a very broad sense although we are also looking at inflation really we're trying to judge the strength of economy in my desk there were about 10 traders and each traders job was to look at a different currency and you kind of get promoted through the ranks
It split between what you'd call rich world currencies and what they call emerging market poor country currencies so in my desk the rich world desk we're basically doing Europe Japan North America Australian New Zealand first I was you know desk junior buying the coffees then I was New Zealand Dollar trader then I was Swiss Frank trader then eventually I was euro trader then I moved to Japan and I was the end trader as interest rate traders we make loans we borrow and lend money we try to borrow a cheaper and higher a lot of people do that. by a variety of dodgy ways what I tried to do and what I think is most interesting is I did that by trying to predict strength of economies so in 2011 by the time I became a really profitable trader C bank for some reason had this big thing where they wanted to become the biggest bank in the world in terms of volumes traded and because we're doing one day loans it's massive volume because if you borrow money for a day you have to come back every day it's stupid but it looks like really big volume and it meant that senior management had asked me to try to do as much trade as I could so I was probably lending and borrowing between currencies probably not far off a trillion dollars a day of a variety of currencies which was ridiculous but it's what I've been asked to do
I was in a situation towards the end of my career where I was trying to get fired I was a very successful trader but for a very short time and I quit when I was like 27 I think I was just so in the game and I was kind of I was quite dehumanized in a way I'd done it to myself you know but I mean how do I balance this love for being the best with also like being a human and taking care of myself and also fulfilling my responsibility to a collapsing society the traders don't think it's their job because they're trying to do trades make money the politicians are trying to win elections the academics are trying to win are trying to write fancy papers the guys in media are trying to get clicks and get views you know actually nobody's trying to fix it my big success was in 2011 and that came from this realization that the economy was never going to get better that we had a growing crisis of inequality that wouldn't be resolved that the rich would get richer and the ordinary people would get poorer living standards would collapse things would collapse and I put that bet on and I never really stopped to think what does that mean because it because my job was to bet on these things you know it's if your job is to look at the economy think is it going to be stronger is it going to be a week that's what you do you know what I mean and by the end of that year 2011 I've become city bank's most profitable trader in the whole world by this bet that society would collapse and everybody could see that I'd done that nobody turned around and said should you do something there's not like a bell you can go and ring you know
I think it's worth realizing right the best paid 10,000 economists in the world are all traders towards the end of my career I decide I want to leave and I tell my boss I want to leave and my boss takes me out for this dinner and he told me a story about a trader a young trader at Deutsche Bank you know nice guy could trade that wanted to leave the only problem is Deutsche didn't really want him to leave you know so they went through all of his look through some of his past trades and his emails you know there wasn't really anything in there but there was enough you know there was this you know I mean enough to take him to court and he rolled through court for years and years and eventually the guy was bankrupted and then he literally said to me you know I like you I think you're a good person but sometimes bad things happen to good people we can make life very difficult for you you're going to find out about that it's so obviously similar to the way that like ganks to speak that's exactly the same kind of person that goes into drug dealing exactly the same kind of person
and I can't help but but think that a lot of the guys who become traders if they grew up on the street I grew up on would have been drug dealers and a lot of the kids selling drugs in Alfred if they went to the same boarding school as Rupert and if they went to LSE they would have become traders really you see because it's the exact same personality type I come from very poor background and the people are being hurt by what's happening in the economy are people that were exactly like me when I was a kid and people that were exactly like my mom and like my dad and like my sister and my friends I grew up with but it was a really a long time before I ever started to explicitly think should we do anything about this and by then I've been kind of like kicked out to Tokyo
and my junior was this very very very posh very rich very wealthy but very smart Australian kid and I said to him you know do you think we should do something and he was like about what and I was like you know about like collapsing global economy and he was like yeah we we put that trade on we bought the green euro dollars and I was like well yeah yes but you know do you think we should do something and he was like I don't understand what you mean you don't go into trading to save the world but you kind of assume that there are people whose job it is to look after the world you know like politicians most obviously economists at universities economists at central banks like the Fed like the Bank of England economists in the media you kind of think these guys are their job is to look after it
But what was becoming increasingly clear to me was well our job is not to fix it those guys whose job is to fix it they're definitely not going to fix it like I want to leave and work for Terry and the banks are just you know the senior management it's just very strong in applying well we're going to see and at that point they have no reason to suit they're just going like well you do that we're going to see and I think to be honest that high levels of banking probably high levels of a lot of other industries that's how it works like the law is uh is an is an arm of power like they're okay if you piss us off we're gonna we're gonna find a way to see you and I think that is kind of how it works so I suspect that a lot of the people who get actually sued by banks are not the people who did bad **** they're the people who pissed off the wrong people
so I get 18 months like wandering around Tokyo like studying Japanese and like learning to draw and they make me sit in the corner so I'm just sitting in the corner of the office like studying Japanese and drawing pictures of the Beatles and stuff and um in a way it was nice it was nice because it gave me a bit of time to sort of think about what I was doing you know I played that final game pretty well despite the fact that I was in terrible mental health condition at the time and I got them into a position where I think first of all I think they thought because I was kind of a young kid from kind of a rough background making a lot of money I think they thought that if they dug far enough they'd find some dodgy **** in there but really I was just betting on like the world collapsing every single year that's what I was **** doing and in the end two things have been simultaneously which is I start sending these mad emails every day to like the CEO and the global head of HR and um one guy got fired and then I get let out so I don't really know whether it is because I started going mental and causing big problems or if it was because the sky got fired and um I'll never know we'd run on those things but eventually I got out which is which is why I'm here and not stuck in the skyscraper it's all a big game it's all a big game it's all a big power game and like you can kind of get away with whatever you want as long as it's not in the bank's interest to go for you you know and it's it's horrible but you know this is the world that we've built you know where if you're very very rich and very very powerful you can get away with the **** I don't hate rich people I am a rich people I don't blame rich people I'm an economist that makes millions of pounds by predicting the **** future and I've got a **** good track record these guys will get rich in a richer and they will eat the middle class alive and it's not because they're bad and it's not because they're evil it's because that's what **** compound interest does if you are a guy who's worth a hundred million dollars you're going to make five million dollars a passive income and you are going to use that money to buy the assets that ordinary families kids need that is the direction of travel that is where heading up we will lose the middle class there's obviously that one scene in the big short couple of guys make a lot of money by betting on like the collapse of the American economy and they're going to make a ton of money and they're really like they're really happy they're dancing and there's this Brad Pitt character that turns around it's like stop **** dancing and they're like why don't you just make a lot of money
It's like you made money betting on the collapse of the economy you know what that means that means people in his now homes that means people committing suicide that means the family's breaking down and obviously for me as someone who's done the same thing like you feel that my free market rate is two million dollars a year for three years. I was out here in the media on youtube for free telling people exactly what was going to happen in covid you can go back and look at my only videos my only articles in 2020 predicting covid everything I said was going to happen exactly happened nobody's **** listening it was hard it was hard because you're used to getting up you know I was trading the nearly trillion dollars a day you know what I mean and you're used to getting up and coming to the desk and bam bam bam bam bam smashing all that money through and I would wake up in the morning and you just have this like energy you know this energy and you know of course I made millions of dollars but then once you quit your income is zero.
You know I just had this really strong feeling like you're being unproductive you're wasting your time and I went to like I went to like psychiatry on the NHS and then she gave me like a little like a timetable to fill in putting everything you're doing on here she looked at and she was like you're really really **** but I become so used to this hot house environment where you just feel like you have to be a hundred percent all of the time that anything other than like working 120 percent felt like doing nothing to me at the beginning of covid I picked up trade then again because there was a lot of money on the table so I still do do a bit of trade in it just sits in investments you know obviously I quit my job and the work I do now it's educational work trying to explain to people the importance of inequality I don't get paid a lot of money for it you know in fact very often I get paid no money for it so it funds my work it funds my life you know hopefully one day in the future it will pay for me to have a family with a bit of financial you know who reads articles in the garden about economics like rich people basically and I wanted to talk to all the new people so I moved to youtube started making a youtube made a load of videos but of course nobody was watching them and you know I've got a degree from endless here I've got a degree from Oxford I'm a multi-millionaire one of the very successful x-trader.
I put videos out about economics and people say the **** this guy is not an economist you know what I mean and somebody called me up and I've read my own articles you've thought we're writing a book and I was like no not really but then I thought you know if I could use this story it's a **** good story you know expelled from school winter job in a card game top trading the world by betting on the collapse of society you know bank tries to stop him from leaving it's a good story I thought if I could tell that story well then hopefully you will know with the confidence I have that this is going to go down the toilet and if enough people know that then we can stop it. Did you have to sign any NDA or like keep any secrets? I'm not allowed to answer that question unfortunately illegal reasons I'd love to tell you but I can't answer it yeah yeah it's quite bizarre you might but you might be like you might think I'd be able to say I did sign it in the A but I can't I can't talk about these things but unfortunately I cannot discuss whether I signed NDA or not.