Greetings and welcome to the AMD 2nd quarter 2024 conference call. At this time all participants are in a list and only mode. A brief question and intercession will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce to you Mitch Hawz, Vice President and Best of Relations. Thank you Mitch, you may be GIM. Thank you and welcome to AMD 2nd quarter 2024 financial results conference call. By now you should have had the opportunity to review a copy of our earnings press release and the accompanying slides. If you have not had the chance to review these materials, they can be found on the investor relations page of AMD.com. We will refer primarily to non-gap financial measures during today's call. The full non-gap to gap reconciliation are available in today's press release and the slides posted on our website. Participants on today's conference call are Dr. Lisa Sue, our Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Jean Hu, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. This is a live call and will be replayed via webcast on our website. Before we begin, I would like to note that Dr. Lisa Sue will attend the Goldman Sachs Technology, Communiocopia and Technology Conference on Monday, September 9th, and Mark Papermaster, Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer, will attend the Deutsche Bank Technology Conference on Wednesday, August 28th.
Today's discussion contains forward-looking statements based on current beliefs, assumptions and expectations. Speak only as of today and as such, involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Please refer to the cautionary statement in our press release for more information on factors that could cause actual results to differ materially. With that, I will hand the call over to Lisa. Thank you, Mitch, and good afternoon to all those listening today. We delivered strong second quarter financial results with revenue coming in above the midpoint of guidance and profitability increasing by a double digit percentage driven by higher than expected sales of our instinct, rise in and epic processors. We continued accelerating our AI traction as leading cloud and enterprise providers expanded availability of instinct MI 300X solutions, and we also saw positive demand signals for general purpose compute in both our client and server processor businesses.
今天的讨论包含基于当前信念、假设和预期的前瞻性声明。它们只反映截至今天的情况,因此涉及可能导致实际结果与当前预期存在实质性差异的风险和不确定性。有关可能导致实际结果与预期存在重大差异的因素,请参阅我们新闻稿中的警示声明。接下来,我将把电话转交给Lisa。
谢谢你,Mitch,下午好,感谢今天所有收听的人。我们在第二季度取得了强劲的财务业绩,收入超过了预期指导的中点,利润率也增长了两位数,主要是由于我们Instinct、Ryzen和Epic处理器的销量高于预期。随着主要云和企业供应商扩展了Instinct MI 300X解决方案的可用性,我们在AI领域的进展持续加速。同时,我们在客户端和服务器处理器业务中也看到了对通用计算的积极需求信号。
As a result, second quarter revenue increased 9% year over year to 5.8 billion as significantly higher sales of our data center and client processors more than offset declines in gaming and embedded product sales. We also expanded gross margin by more than 3 percentage points and grew EPS 19% as data center product sales accounted for nearly 50% of overall sales in the quarter. Turning to the segments, data center segment revenue increased 115% year over year to a record 2.8 billion driven by the steep ramp of instinct MI 300 GPU shipments and a strong double digit percentage increase in epic CPU sales. Cloud adoption remains strong as hyperscalers deploy fourth gen epic CPUs to power more of their internal workloads and public instances. We are seeing hyperscalers select epic processors to power a larger portion of their applications and workloads, displacing incumbent offerings across their infrastructure with AMD solutions that offer clear performance and efficiency advantages.
因此,第二季度收入同比增长9%,达到58亿美元,这主要得益于我们数据中心和客户端处理器销量的显著增加,足以抵消游戏和嵌入式产品销售的下降。我们还将毛利率提高了3个百分点以上,每股收益增长了19%,因为数据中心产品销售在本季度占总销售额的近50%。
分部门来看,数据中心部门收入同比增长115%,达到创纪录的28亿美元,这主要是由于Instinct MI 300 GPU出货量大幅增加以及EPYC CPU销量大幅增长。随着超大规模数据中心运营商部署第四代EPYC CPU来支持更多的内部工作负载和公共实例,云采用保持强劲。我们看到超大规模数据中心运营商选择EPYC处理器来支持其更多的应用程序和工作负载,取代其基础设施上的现有解决方案,因为AMD的产品具有明显的性能和效率优势。
The number of AMD powered cloud instances available from the largest providers has increased 34% from a year ago to more than 900. We are seeing strong pull for these instances with both enterprise and cloud first businesses. As an example, Netflix and Uber both recently selected fourth gen epic public cloud instances as one of the key solutions to power their mission critical customer facing workloads. In the enterprise, sell through increase by a strong double digit percentage sequentially. We close multiple large wins in the quarter with financial services, technology, healthcare, retail, manufacturing and transportation customers, including Adobe, Boeing, industrial light and magic, Optiver and Siemens. Importantly, more than one third of our enterprise server wins in the first half of the year were with businesses deploying epic in their data centers for the first time, highlighting our success attracting new customers while also continuing to expand our footprint with existing customers.
Looking ahead, our next generation Turin family featuring our new Zen 5 core is looking very strong. Zen 5 is a grounds up new core design optimized for leadership performance and efficiency. Turin will extend our TCO leadership by offering up to 192 cores and 384 threads, support for the latest memory and IO technologies and the ability to drop into existing fourth gen epic platforms. We publicly previewed Turin for the first time in June demonstrating our significant performance advantages in multiple compute intensive workloads. We also passed a major milestone in the second quarter as we started Turin production shipments to lead cloud customers. Production is ramping now ahead of launch and we expect broad OEM and cloud availability later this year.
Turning to our data center AI business, we delivered our third straight quarter of record data center GPU revenue with MI 300 quarterly revenue exceeding 1 billion for the first time. Microsoft expanded their use of MI 300x accelerators to power GPT 4 turbo and multiple co-pilot services including Microsoft 365 chat, Word and Teams. Microsoft also became the first large hyperscaler to announce general availability of public MI 300x instances in the quarter. The new Azure VMs leveraged the industry leading compute performance and memory capacity of MI 300x in conjunction with the latest rock and software to deliver leadership influencing price performance when running the latest frontier models including GPT 4. Hugging face was one of the first customers to adopt the new Azure instances enabling enterprise and AI customers to deploy hundreds of thousands of models on MI 300x GPUs with one click. Our enterprise and cloud AI customer pipeline grew in the quarter and we are working very closely with our system and cloud partners to ramp availability of MI 300 solutions to address growing customer demand.
Dell, HPE, Lenovo and Super Micro all have instinct platforms in production and multiple hyperscale and tier 2 cloud providers are on track to launch MI 300 instances this quarter. On the AI software front, we made significant progress enhancing support and features across our software stack making it easier to deploy high performance AI solutions on our platforms. We also continued to work with the open source community to enable customers to implement the latest AI algorithms. As an example, AMD support for flash attention to algorithm was upstream providing out of the box support for AMD hardware in the popular library that could increase training and inference performance on large transformer models. Our work with the model community also continued accelerating highlighted by the launches of new models and frameworks with day one support for AMD hardware.
At Computex, I was joined by the co CEO of stable diffusion to announce that MI 300 is the first GPU to support their latest SD 3.0 image generation LLM. Last week, we were proud to note that multiple partners used rock them and MI 300 X to announce support for the latest llama 3.1 models, including their 405 billion parameter version that is the industry's first frontier level open source AI model. llama 3.1 runs seamlessly on MI 300 accelerators. And because of our leadership memory capacity, we're also able to run the FP 16 version of the llama 3.1 405 B model in a single server, simplifying deployment and fine tuning of the industry leading model and providing significant TCO advantages.
Earlier this month, we announced our agreement to acquire silo AI. Europe's largest private AI lab with extensive experience developing tailored AI solutions for multiple enterprise and embedded customers, including Allianks, Ericsson, Finair, Corber, Nokia, Philips, T-Mobile and Unilever. The silo team significantly expands our capability to service large enterprise customers looking to optimize their AI solutions for AMD hardware. Silo also brings deep expertise in large language model development, which will help accelerate optimization of AMD inference and training solutions. In addition to our acquisitions of silo AI, oopsology and not.ai, we have invested over 125 million across a dozen AI companies in the last 12 months to expand the AMD AI ecosystem, support partners and advanced leadership AMD computing platforms.
本月早些时候,我们宣布了收购 Silo AI 的协议。Silo AI 是欧洲最大的私人 AI 实验室,拥有为多个企业和嵌入式客户定制 AI 解决方案的丰富经验,这些客户包括 Allianz(安联保险)、Ericsson(爱立信)、Finnair(芬兰航空)、Cobra(眼镜蛇)、Nokia(诺基亚)、Philips(飞利浦)、T-Mobile(T-移动)和 Unilever(联合利华)。Silo AI 的团队大大提升了我们为大型企业客户服务的能力,这些客户希望优化其 AI 解决方案以适配 AMD 硬件。Silo 还带来了在大型语言模型开发方面的深厚专业知识,有助于加速 AMD 推理和训练解决方案的优化。除了收购 Silo AI、Oopsology 和 Not.ai 之外,我们在过去12个月内投资了超过1.25亿美元,涵盖十几家 AI 公司,以扩展 AMD 的 AI 生态系统,支持合作伙伴并提升 AMD 计算平台的领先地位。
Looking ahead from a roadmap perspective, we are accelerating expanding our Instinct roadmap to deliver an annual cadence of AI accelerators, starting with the launch of MI 325 X later this year. MI 325 X leverages the same infrastructure as MI 300 and extends our generative AI performance leadership by offering twice the memory capacity and 1.3 times more peak compute performance than competitive offerings. We plan to follow MI 325 X with the MI 350 series in 2025 based on the new CDNA4 architecture, which is on track to deliver a 35 X increase in performance compared to CDNA3. And our MI 400 series powered by the CDNA next architecture is making great progress in development and is scheduled to launch in 2026.
Turning to our AI solutions work, Broadcom Cisco HP enterprise Intel Google, Meta and Microsoft all joined us to announce ultra accelerator link and industry standard technology to connect hundreds of AI accelerators that is based on AMD's proven infinity fabric technology. By combining UA link with the widely supported ultra ethernet consortium specification, the industry is coming together to establish a standardized approach for building the next generation of high performance data centers, AI solutions at scale. In summary, customer response to our multi year Instinct and Rockam roadmap is overwhelmingly positive and we're very pleased with the momentum we are building. As a result, we now expect data center GPU revenue to exceed 4.5 billion in 2024 up from the 4 billion we guided in April.
Turning to our client segment, revenue was 1.5 billion and increase of 49% year over year driven by strong demand for our prior generation rise in processors and initial shipments of our next generation Zen 5 processors. In PC applications, Zen 5 delivers an average of 16% more instructions per clock than our industry leading previous generation of rising processors. For desktops, our upcoming Ryzen 9000 series processors dropped into existing AM5 motherboards and extends our performance and energy efficiency leadership across productivity, gaming and content creation workloads. For notebooks, we announced our Ryzen AI 300 series that extends our industry leading CPU and GPU performance and introduces the industry's fastest NPU with 50 tops of AI compute performance for co pilot plus PCs. The first Ryzen AI 300 series notebooks went on sale over the weekend to strong reviews and more than 100 Ryzen AI 300 series premium gaming and commercial platforms are on track to launch from Acer, ASUS, HP, Lenovo and others over the coming quarters. Customer excitement for our new Ryzen processors is very strong and we are well positioned for ongoing revenue share gains based on the strength of our leadership portfolio and design with momentum.
转向我们的客户业务,收入达到了15亿美元,同比增长49%,这主要得益于我们上一代处理器的强劲需求以及下一代Zen 5处理器的初步出货。在PC应用中,Zen 5平均每时钟周期的指令数比我们行业领先的前一代锐龙处理器提高了16%。在桌面端,我们即将发布的Ryzen 9000系列处理器可以直接插入现有的AM5主板,并延续我们在生产力、游戏和内容创作负载方面的性能和能效领导地位。在笔记本方面,我们发布了Ryzen AI 300系列,它不仅延续了我们在CPU和GPU性能的行业领先地位,还引入了业界最快的NPU,其AI计算性能达到50 TOPS,适用于Co Pilot Plus PC。首批Ryzen AI 300系列笔记本电脑在周末开售,评价很好,并且预计未来几个季度将有超过100款Ryzen AI 300系列高端游戏和商用平台由宏碁、华硕、惠普、联想等公司推出。客户对我们的新款锐龙处理器充满期待,并且凭借我们的领导产品组合和设计势头,我们在持续增加收入份额方面处于有利地位。
Now turning to our gaming segment, revenue declined 59% year over year to 648 million as semi custom SOC sales declined in line with our projections. Semi custom demand remains soft as we are now in the fifth year of the console cycle and we expect sales to be lower in the second half of the year compared to the first half. In gaming graphics, revenue increased year over year driven by improved sales of our Radeon 6000 and 7000 series GPUs in the channel. Turning to our embedded segment, revenue decreased 41% year over year to 861 million. The first quarter marked the bottom for our embedded segment revenue. Although second quarter revenue was flatish sequentially, we saw early signs of order patterns improving and expect embedded revenue to be more than a year. We would be able to gradually recover in the second half of the year. Longer term we are building strong design with momentum for expanded embedded portfolio.
Design wins in the first half of the year increased by more than 40% from the prior year to greater than 7 billion, including multiple triple digit million dollar wins combining our adaptive and x86 compute products. We announced our LVO V80 accelerators that deliver leadership capabilities in memory intensive workloads and entered early access on next generation edge AI solutions with more than 30 key partners on our upcoming second gen virtual adaptive SOCs. Last week, we also announced Victor Peng, President of AMD, would retire at the end of August. Victor has made significant contributions to Xilinx and AMD, including helping scale our embedded business and leading our cross company AI strategy. On a personal note, Victor has been a great partner to me, ensuring the success of our Xilinx acquisition and integration. On behalf of all of the AMD employees and board, I want to thank Victor for all of his contributions to AMD success and wish him all the best in his retirement.
In summary, we delivered strong second quarter results in our well positioned to grow revenues significantly in the second half of the year driven by our data center and client segments. Our data center GPU business is on a steep growth trajectory as treatments ramp across an expanding set of customers. We're also seeing strong demand for our next generation Zen 5 epic and rising processors that deliver leadership performance and efficiency in both data center and client workloads. Looking ahead, the rapid advances in generative AI and development of more capable models are driving demand for more compute across all markets. Under this backdrop, we see strong growth opportunities over the coming years and are significantly increasing hardware, software and solutions investments with a laser focus on delivering an annual cadence of leadership data center GPU hardware.
Integrating industry leading AI capabilities across our entire product portfolio, enabling full stack software capabilities, amplifying our rock and development with the scale and speed of the open source community, and providing customers with turnkey solutions that accelerate the time to market for AMD based AI systems. We are excited about the unprecedented opportunities in front of us and are well positioned to drive our next phase of significant growth. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jean to provide some additional color on our second quarter results. Jean? Thank you Lisa and good afternoon everyone. I'll start with a review of our financial results and then provide our current outlook for the third quarter.
We're very pleased with our overall second quarter financial results that came in above expectations. Our year over year basis data center segment revenue more than double client segment revenue growth significantly and we expand the growth margin by 340 basis point. For the second quarter of 2024 revenue was 5.8 billion, up 9% year over year as revenue growth in the data center and the client segments was partially offset by lower revenue in our gaming and embedded segment. Revenue increases 7% sequentially, primarily driven by growth in the data center and the client segments revenue. Growth margin was 53% up 340 basis points year over year, primarily driven by higher data center revenue. Operating expenses were 1.8 billion and the increase of 15% year over year as we continue to invest in R&D to address the significant AI growth opportunities at height of us and the intensive go to market activities. Operating income was 1.3 billion representing a 22% operating margin. Taxes, interest expense and other was 138 million. That loaded the earning per share was 69 cents and increase of 19% year over year.
Now turning to our reportable segment. Starting with the data center, data center delivered record quarterly segment revenue of 2.8 billion, up 115%, 1.5 billion increase year over year. The data center segment accounted for nearly 50% of total revenue, led primarily by the steep ramp of AMD instinct GPUs and strong double digit percentage epic server revenue growth. As sequential basis, revenue increases 21% driven primarily by strong momentum in AMD instinct GPUs. Data center segment operating income was 743 million or 26% of revenue compared to 147 million or 11% year ago. Operating income was up more than five times from the prior year driven by higher revenue and operating leverage even as we significantly increase our investment in R&D. Client segment revenue was 1.5 billion, up 49% year over year and 9% sequentially driven primarily by AMD rising processor sales. Client segment operating income was 89 million or 6% of revenue compared to operating loss of 69 million a year ago.
Gaming segment revenue was 648 million down 59% year over year and 30% sequentially. The decrease in revenue was primarily due to semi-customer inventory digestion and lower end market demand. Gaming segment operating income was 77 million or 12% of revenue compared to 225 million or 14% a year ago. Embedded segment revenue was 861 million down 41% year over year as customers continue to normalize their inventory levels. On sequential basis, embedded segment revenue was up 2%. Embedded segment operating income was 345 million or 40% of revenue compared to 757 million or 52% a year ago.
Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow. During the quarter, we generated 593 million in cash from operations and free cash flow was 439 million. Inventory increased sequentially by 339 million to 5 billion primarily to support the continued ramp of data center GPU products. At the end of the quarter, cash equivalent and short term investments were 5.3 billion. In the second quarter, we returned 352 million to shareholders, repurchasing 2.3 million shares. And we have 5.2 billion of authorization remaining. During the quarter, we retired 750 million of debt that matured this past June utilizing existing cash.
Now, turning to our third quarter 2024 outlook. We expect revenue to be approximately 6.7 billion plus or minus 300 million. Sequentially, we expect revenue to grow approximately 15% primarily driven by strong growth in the data center and the client segment. We expect embedded segment revenue to be up and the gaming segment to decline by double digit percentage. Year over year, we expect revenue to grow approximately 16% driven by the steep ramp of our AMD in-stink processors and strong silver and client revenue growth to more than offset the declines in the gaming and embedded segment. In addition, we expect third quarter non-depth growth margin to be approximately 53.5%. Non-depth operating expenses to be approximately 1.9 billion. Non-depth effective tax rate to be 13%.
And the diluted share account is expected to be approximately 1.64 billion shares. Also, during the third quarter, we expect to close the acquisition of silo AI for approximately 665 million in cash. In closing, we made significant progress during the quarter toward achieving our financial goals. We delivered records IMI 300 driven revenue that exceeded 1 billion and demonstrated solid attraction with our next-gen, rising and I take a product. We expect growth margin significantly and drove earnings growth while increasing investment in AI. Looking forward, the opportunities of hydrofasts are unprecedented. Our unprecedented growth and investment will remain focused on executing our long-term growth strategy while driving financial discipline and operational excellence. With that, I will turn it back to me for the Q&A session.
Thank you, Jane. John, we're happy to pull the audience for questions. Thank you, Mitch. We will now be conducting the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the queue. You may press star 2 to remove any question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. One moment, please, while we pull for questions. And the first question comes from the line of Ben Reitzes with Amelia's research. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, thanks a lot. Congratulations on these results. Lisa, I wanted to ask you about MI 300, how you see playing out sequentially for the rest of the year. I guess there's about 2.8 billion left to hit your annual target. So I'm wondering if you see things picking up in the fourth quarter and how that's going sequentially. And if you don't mind, I wanted to also ask about next year, if you see potential for rapid growth, you're probably aware of some of the chatter out there. And I just was wondering if you're already seeing signs that you can grow significantly given your roadmap for next year. Thank you so much. Yeah, great. Thanks for the question. So first of all, on, you know, sort of MI 300 and the customer evolution, we're very happy with how MI 300 is progressed. You know, when we started the year, I think the key point for us was to get our products into our customers' data centers, to have them qualify their workloads to really ramp in production, and then see what, you know, the production capabilities are, especially performance. And I think that's a lot of those things. And I can say, you know, now being, you know, sort of more than halfway through the year, we've seen great progress across the board. As we look into the second half of the year, I think we would expect that MI 300 revenue would continue to ramp in the third quarter and the fourth quarter. And we're continuing to expand both, you know, current deployments with our existing customers, as well as, you know, we have, you know, a large pipeline of customers that we're working through that are, you know, getting familiar with our architecture.
嘿,非常感谢。祝贺你们取得这些成果。丽莎,我想询问一下关于 MI 300 的情况,你认为今年剩余时间会如何发展。我猜还有大约 28 亿的目标要实现。所以我想知道你是否认为第四季度会有所回升,以及这个过程的顺序如何。如果你不介意,我还想问一下明年的情况,你是否看到快速增长的潜力。我知道外面有一些讨论,所以我想知道你是否已经看到了根据你们明年计划可以显著增长的迹象。非常感谢。
好的,非常感谢你的提问。首先,关于 MI 300 和客户的进展情况,我们对 MI 300 的发展非常满意。当我们年初开始时,关键是将我们的产品送到客户的数据中心,让他们验证工作负载,真正加速生产,然后看看生产能力,特别是性能方面的表现。对于这些方面,我们现在已经过了大半年的时间,总体来说取得了很好的进展。
展望下半年,我们预计 MI 300 的收入将在第三季度和第四季度继续增长。我们也在扩展现有客户的部署,同时还有一大批新的客户在熟悉我们的架构。
And, you know, software and all that stuff. So I would say overall, very pleased with the progress and really continuing right on track to what we expected from the capabilities of the product. You know, as we go into next year, I mean, one of the important things that we announced at Computex was, you know, increasing and expanding our roadmap. I think we feel really good about our roadmap. You know, we're on track to launch MI 325 later this year. And then next year our MI 350 series, which would be very competitive with, you know, Blackwell solutions. And then, you know, we're well on our way to our CDNA next as well. So I think overall, you know, we remain, you know, quite bullish on the overall AI market. I think the market continues to need more compute. And we also feel very good that our, you know, hardware and software solutions are getting, you know, good traction and, you know, continuing to expand that pipeline. And the next question comes in the line of Aaron Rakers with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question. Yeah, thanks for taking a question and congrats on the quarter as well. I guess, sticking on the data center side, you know, as we look forward and you think about the full year. I'm curious of how you're currently thinking about the Epic server CPU growth expectations. You know, as we go forward and any kind of updated thoughts on your ability to kind of continue to gain share in the server market, just kind of just update us on how to get it. How do you see the server market playing out over the next couple of quarters? Yeah, sure, Aaron. Thanks for the question. So, you know, we're very pleased with the progress that we've made with Epic. I think a couple of things. First of all, in terms of, you know, competitive positioning and, you know, just the traction in the market, our fourth gen epic between Gen 1 Bergamo is really doing very well. We've seen a broad adoption across cloud. And then, you know, we've been very focused on enterprise as well as third party cloud instances. And, you know, as I said in the prepared remarks, we're starting to see very nice traction in enterprise with both new customers as well as existing customers.
And then for third party cloud adoption also, you know, a good pickup, you know, there as well. So I think overall, I think our Epic portfolio has done well. Going into the second half of the year, I think we also feel good about it. You know, there are a couple of positives there. We see, first of all, you know, the market looks like it's improving. So we have seen some, you know, return to spending in, you know, both enterprise and cloud. And so I think those are positive market trends. And then in addition to that, we are in the process of launching turns. So we started production here in the second quarter and we're on track to launch broadly in the second half of the year.
We'll see some revenue of turn in the second half of the year contributing as well. Overall, I think the server market and our ability to continue to grow a share in the server market is one of the things that we see in the second half of the year. And the next question comes from the line of Timothy or Corey with UBS. Please press me with your question. Thanks a lot. Lisa, I wanted to ask about the data center GPU roadmap. As you said, three, you know, 25 launching later this year. So I guess I had two questions. Does the, you know, greater than 4.5 billion? Does that include any revenue from 325? And can you talk a little bit more about 350? Obviously, we're seeing a big, you know, rack scale or, you know, shift toward rack scale systems for the competition's product. And I'm wondering if that's what 350 is going to look like. Is it going to have liquid cooling? And is it going to have a rack scale aspect to it?
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, let me start with your, you know, original question. I mean, I think looking at 325x, we are on track to launch later this year. From a revenue standpoint, there will be a small contribution in the fourth quarter, but it really is still, you know, mostly the MI 300 capabilities. And 325 will start in the fourth quarter and then ramp more in the first half of next year. And then as we look at the 350 series, you know, what we're seeing and the reason we call it a series is because there will be multiple SKUs in that series that will go, you know, through the range of what's called air cooled to liquid cooled. You know, in spending time with our customers, I think there are, you know, people who certainly want more rack level solutions. And, you know, we're certainly doing much more in terms of system level integration for our products. You'll see us invest more in system level integration. But we also have, you know, many customers who want to use their current infrastructure.
好的,当然。所以,让我从你的原始问题开始。我认为,看待325x时,我们会在今年晚些时候按计划发布。从收入角度来看,第四季度会有一小部分贡献,但主要还是 MI 300 的能力。325将在第四季度开始,然后在明年上半年进一步提升。然后,当我们看350系列时,我们称之为系列的原因是因为这个系列会有多种SKU,从风冷到液冷都有。在与客户交流时,我认为有些人确实希望有更多机架级解决方案。我们确实在系统级集成方面做了更多努力。你会看到我们在系统级集成方面投入更多。但我们也有很多客户希望使用他们现有的基础设施。
I think the beauty of the MI 350 series is it actually, you know, fits into the same infrastructure as the MI 300 series. And so it would lend itself to, let's call it a pretty fast ramp, you know, if you've already invested in 300 or 325. So we see the range of options and that's part of the expansion of the roadmap that we're planning.
And the next question comes in the line of Ross Seymour with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question. Hi, thanks for having me ask a question and congrats on the strong results. Well, data center is obviously very important. I just want to pivot to the client side. Lisa, can you talk about the AIPC side of things? How do you believe AMD is positioned? Are you seeing any competitive intensity changing with the emergence of ARM-based systems? Just wanted to see how you're expecting that to roll out and what it means to second half seasonality?
Yeah, sure Ross. So first, you know, we're very pleased with our client business results. I think we have a very strong roadmap. So I'm very pleased with the roadmap. The Zen5-based products, you know, we're launching both notebook and desktop in the middle of this year. What we've seen is actually, you know, very positive feedback on the product. So we just actually launched the first strict-spaced notebooks over the weekend. They went on sale. You may have seen some of the reviews. The reviews are very positive. You know, our view of this is the AI PC is an important ad to the overall PC category. As, you know, we go into the second half of the year. I think we have better seasonality in general. And we think we can do, you know, let's call it above typical seasonality given the strength of our product launches and when we're launching. And then into 2025, you're going to see AIPCs across, you know, sort of a larger set of price points, which will also, you know, open up more opportunities.
So, you know, overall, I would say the PC market is a good revenue growth opportunity for us. The business is performing well. The products are strong. And we're working very closely with, you know, both the ecosystem partners as well as our OEM partners to have, you know, strong launches here into the second half of the year. And is the armside changing anything or not really? You know, look, I think at this point, the PC market's a big market and we are underrepresented in the market. You know, I would say that, you know, we take all of our competition, you know, very seriously. That being the case, I think our products are very well positioned.
And the next question comes from a lot of Matt Ramsey with Cowen. Please proceed with your question. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. At least I wanted to maybe draw a parallel between the instinct portfolio that your company is rolling out now and what you guys did five or six years ago with Epic. And I remember when the Naples product launched, there was a lot of, I would say, reaction positively and negatively in sort of sentiment around where your roadmap might go to. Relatively small perturbations and what the volumes were super early. But if I remember back that, that was the most important was that was the toehold into the market for long term engagement, both on the software side and the hardware side.
With your customers to three four generations forward. So is that an accurate parallel to where you guys are with the my 300 and maybe you could talk about the level of engagement. The intensity of engagement, the breadth of it across the customer base with 350 and 400. Yeah, absolutely Matt. So look, you know, as I said earlier, we're very pleased with the progress that we're making on the instinct roadmap. This is absolutely a long term play. So, you know, absolutely you're correct. It has a lot of parallels to the Epic journey where, you know, you really have to you gain, you know, more opportunities, broader workloads, larger deployment, as you go from generation to generation. So we are playing the long game here. Our conversations with our customers.
So I would start with first in the near term. We had some very key milestones that we wanted to, you know, pass this year. And as I said, they related to getting hardware in volume in multiple hyperscalers, as well as, you know, large tier two customers. We've done that. We've now seen our software in a lot of different environments and it's matured substantially. You know, RACAM is in, you know, very from a standpoint of features, functions, at a box performance, getting to performance with customers. We've gained a lot of confidence and learned a lot in that whole process.
The networking aspects of building out, you know, the rack scale and the system level items are areas that we're continuing to invest in. And then the point of having, you know, long term, you know, conversations across multiple generations is also really important. So I think all of those things have progressed well. We, you know, we view this as, you know, very good progress for MI 300, but we have a lot more to do. And I think the various road map will help us open up those opportunities over the next couple of years. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks, Beth.
And the next question comes from the line of the VEC, Aria, with Bank of America Securities. Please proceed with your question. Thanks for taking my question. Lisa, there seems to be this ongoing industry debate about the AI monetization and whether your customers are getting the right ROI on their CapEx. And, you know, today they have these three options, right? They can buy GPUs from your largest competitor with all the software bells and whistles and incumbency or they can do custom chips or they can buy from AMD.
So how do you think this plays out next year? Do you think your customers, given all this concern around monetization, does it make them consolidate their CapEx around just, you know, the other two suppliers? How is your visibility going into next year, given this industry debate and how will AMD continue to kind of carve a position between these two other competitive choices that are out there? Thank you. Yeah, sure, Vivek. Well, I mean, I think you talk to a lot of the same people that we talk to. I think the overall view on AI investment is we have to invest. I mean, the industry has to invest. The potential of AI is so large to impact the way enterprises operate and all that stuff. So I think the investment cycle will continue to be strong.
And then relative to the various choices, you know, for the size of the market, I firmly believe that there will be multiple solutions. Whether you're talking about GPUs or you're talking about custom chips or ASICs, there will be multiple solutions. In our case, I think we've demonstrated a really strong roadmap and the ability to partner well with our customers. And from the standpoint of that deep engagement, hardware software co-optimization is so important in that.
And for large language models, GPUs are still the architecture of choice. So I think the opportunity is very large. And I think our piece of that is really strong technology with strong partnerships with the key AI market makers. Thank you, Lisa. Thanks, Vivek.
And the next question comes from the line of Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question. Great. Thank you. I also wanted to ask about MI 300. I wonder if you could talk about training versus inference. Do you have a sense? I know that a lot of the initial focus was inference, but do you have traction on the training side? And any sense of what that's what it may look like over time? Yeah, sure. Thanks for the question, Joe. So as we said on MI 300, there are lots of great characteristics about it. One of them is our memory bandwidth and memory capacity is leading the industry. From that standpoint, the early deployments have largely been inference in most cases, and we've seen fantastic performance from an inference standpoint. We also have customers that are doing training. We've also seen that from a training standpoint, we've optimized quite a bit our Rockham software stack to make it easier for people to train on AMD. And I do expect that we'll continue to ramp training over time. As we go forward, I think you'll see the belief is that inference will be larger than training from a market standpoint, but from an AMD standpoint, I would expect both inference and training to be growth opportunities for us.
Great. Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Toshiahari with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question. Hi. Thank you so much for taking the question. I had a question on the MI 300 as well. Curious, Lisa, if you're currently shipping to demand, or if the updated annual forecast of $4.5 billion is in some shape or form supply constrained, I think last quarter you gave some comments on HBM and co-op curious if you could provide an update there. And then my part B to my question is on profitability for MI 300. I think in the past you've talked about the business being decorative and improving further over time as you sort of work through the kinks, if you will. Has that view evolved or changed at all given sort of the competitive intensity and your need to invest, whether it be through organic R&D or some of the acquisitions you've made? Or are you still confident that profit margins in the business continue to expand? Thank you.
Yeah, sure. Toshiah, thanks for the question. So on the supply side, let me make a couple of comments, and then maybe I'll let Gene comment on sort of the trajectory for the business. So on the supply side, we made great progress in the second quarter. We ramped up supply significantly, exceeding a billion dollars in the quarter. I think the team executed really well. We continue to see line of sight to continue increasing supply as we go through the second half of the year. But I will say that the overall supply chain is tight and will remain tight through 2025.
So under that backdrop, we have great partnerships across the supply chain. We've been building additional capacity and capability there. And so we expect to continue to ramp as we go through the year. And we'll continue to work both supply as well as demand opportunities. And really that's accelerating our customer adoption overall. And we'll see how things play out as we go into the second half of this year. On your second question about profitability, first, Jason, our team has done a tremendous job to ramp the product. I might 300. It's a very complex product. So we ramped successfully. At the same time, the team also started to implement operational optimization to continue to improve growth margin. So we continue to see the growth margin improvement. At the same time, in the longer term, we do believe growth margin will be a creative to corporate average. From a profitability perspective, AMD always invested in platforms. If you look at our data center platform, especially both the server and the data center GPU side, we are ramping the revenue. The business model can leverage very significantly. Even from GPU side, because the revenue ramp has been quite significant, the operating margin continues to expand. We definitely want to continue to invest as the opportunities are huge. At the same time, it is a profitable business already. Thank you very much.
And the next question comes to the line of Stacy Raskin with Bernstein Research. Please proceed with your question. Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to dig into the guidance a little bit if I could. So with gaming down double digits, it probably means you've got close to a billion dollars of growth revenue across data center clients and embedded. I was wondering if you give us some color on how that billion ish without across those three businesses. Like if I had 70% of it going to data center and 20% going to client and 10% going to bed, would that be way off? How should I think about that apportioning out across the segment? Yeah, maybe Stacy, let me give you the following color. So the gaming business is down double digit as you state. Think of it as the data center is the largest piece of it, client next, and then on the embedded side, think of it as single digit sequential growth. So within that data center, how does that split out? Is the bulk of the data center growth instinct or is it equally weighted between instinct and epic? Or how does it, you got, I don't know, $4 to $600 million of sequential data center growth, something like that. How does it split up?
Yeah, so again, without being that granular, we will see both certainly the instinct GPUs will grow and we'll see also very nice growth on the server side. And the next question comes from the line of first Kumar with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question. Yeah, Lisa, from my rudimentary understanding, the large difference between your instinct product and the adoption versus your nearest competitor is kind of rack level performance and that rack level of perspective that you're maybe lacking. You talked a little bit about UI link. I was wondering if you could expand on that and give us some more color and when that gap might be closed or is this a major step for the industry to close that gap, just any color would be appreciated? Yeah, so harsh overall, maybe if I take a step back and just talk about how the systems are evolving, there's no question that the systems are getting more complex as, especially as you go into, you know, large training clusters and our customers need help to put those together. And that includes, you know, the sort of infinity fabric type solutions that are the basis for the UI link things as well as, you know, just, you know, general rack level, you know, system integration. I think what you should expect, Harsh, you know, first of all, we're very pleased with all of the partners that have come together for UI link. We think that's an important capability. But we have all of the pieces of this already, you know, within, you know, sort of the AMD umbrella with our infinity fabric, with the work, you know, with our networking capability through the acquisition of Pensando. And then you'll see us invest more in this area.
So, you know, this is part of, you know, how we help customers get to market faster is by, you know, investing in, you know, all of the components. So the CPUs, the GPUs, the networking capability, as well as, you know, system level solutions. Thank you, Lisa. Thanks, Harsh. And the next question comes from the line of Blaine Curtis with Jeffries. Please proceed with your question. Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to ask another question on MMI 300. Just curious if you can kind of characterize the make of the customers in the first half. I know you had, you know, end of last year a government customer. Is there still a government contingency? And, you know, kind of the second part of it is really you've invested in all the software assets. Kind of curious, you know, the challenge of ramping the next wave of customers. I know there's been a lot of talk on some hardware challenges, you know, memory issues and such. But then you're investing in software. I'm sure that's a big challenge. You're just kind of curious what the biggest hurdle is for you to kind of get that next wave of customers ramp.
Yeah. So, Blaine, a lot of pieces to that question. So, let me try to address them. First on your question about, I think you're basically asking about the supercomputing piece. That was mainly Q4 and a bit in Q1. So, if you think about our Q2 revenue, think about it is, you know, almost all AI. So, it's MMI 300X. It's for, you know, large, you know, AI hyperscalers as well as, you know, OEM customers going to, you know, enterprise and tier 2 data centers. So, that's the makeup of the customer set. And then in terms of, you know, the various pieces of, you know, what we're doing, you know, I think, you know, first on your question about memory, I think there's a lot of noise in the system. I wouldn't really pay attention to all that noise in the system.
I mean, this has been an incredible ramp. And I'm actually really proud of what the team has done in terms of, you know, definitely fastest product ramp that we've ever done, you know, to, you know, a billion dollars here in the, you know, over a billion dollars in the second quarter. And then, you know, ramping each quarter in Q3 and Q4. In terms of memory, you know, we have multiple suppliers that we've qualified on HBM3. And, you know, it's a tricky, you know, memory is a tricky business, but I think we've done it very well. And, you know, that's there. And then we're also qualifying HBM3E, you know, for future products with multiple, multiple memory suppliers as well.
So, to your overarching question of, you know, what are the things that we're doing, you know, the exciting part of this is that, you know, the rock-owned capability is really, you know, gotten substantially better because so many customers have been using it. And, you know, with that, what we look at is out-of-box performance. How long does it take a customer to get up and running on MI300? And we've seen, you know, depending on the software that, you know, companies are using it. You know, companies are using, particularly if you're based on some of the higher-level frameworks like PyTorch, etc. You know, we can be out-of-box running very well in a very short amount of time. Like, let's call it, you know, very small number of weeks. And that's great because that's expanding the overall portfolio.
We are going to continue to invest in software. And that was, you know, one of the reasons that we did the Silo AI acquisition. It's a great acquisition for us. You know, 300, you know, scientists and engineers. These are engineers that have experience with AMD hardware and are very, very good at helping customers get up and running on AMD hardware. And that's, so we view this as the opportunity to expand the customer base with, you know, talent like silo.ai. You know, not.ai, which brought a lot of compiler talent. And then we continue to hire quite a bit organically.
So I think, you know, Gene said earlier that, you know, we see leverage in the model, but we're going to continue to invest because, you know, this opportunity is huge. And we have all of the pieces. This is just about, you know, building out scale. Thanks so much. Thanks. And the next question comes from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Please proceed with your question. Hey, Lisa, thanks for taking my question. I'll give you a breather from the MI 300 for a second, but just focus on client in the second half. Yeah, no problem. Focus on client in the second half. You kind of said above seasonal for September, December. You're obviously launching a new notebook desktop product, but you're also talking about AI PC. Could you just break down where you're seeing those above seasonal trends? Is it the ASP uplift you're getting from the new products? Is it a unit assumption that's coming with AI PC? Just any kind of breakdown between those two and why you're seeing it a little bit better? Thank you.
所以我认为,Gene 之前提到,我们在这个模型中看到了杠杆作用,但我们会继续投资,因为这个机会非常大。我们拥有所有的要素,现在只是关于如何扩大规模的问题。非常感谢。谢谢。接下来的问题来自巴克莱的Tom O'Malley。请提问。
嗨,Lisa,谢谢你接受我的问题。我会暂时放过 MI 300,让我们专注于下半年客户方面的问题。没问题。专注于下半年客户方面的问题。你之前提到9月和12月表现会高于季节性表现。你显然是在推出新的笔记本和台式机产品,但你也在谈论 AI 个人电脑。你能否详细说明一下这些高于季节性趋势的具体来源?是新产品带来的ASP提升吗?还是伴随着AI个人电脑的单位假设?请详细解释为什么你认为表现会更好?谢谢。
Sure, Tom. So I think you actually said it well. We are launching, you know, Zen 5 desktops and notebooks, you know, with volume ramping in the third quarter. And that's the primary reason that we see above seasonal. You know, the AI PC element is certainly one element of that, but there is just the overall, you know, refresh. Usually desktop launches going into a third quarter are good for us. And we feel that the products are very well positioned. So those are the primary reasons. And our final question comes from the line of Chris Dainley with City. Please proceed with your question. Hey, gang, thanks for speaking me in just a question on gross margin.
So if we look at your guidance, it seems like the incremental gross margin is dropping a little bit for Q3. Why is that happening? And then just the follow up on another part of the gross margin angle. Have you changed your gross margin expectations for the MI 300 as the accretion point moved out a little bit? Yeah, Chris, thanks for the question. I think first we have made a lot of progress. As you mentioned, this year to expand our gross margin from 2023 at the 50 percentage point to, you know, we actually guided the 53.5% for Q3. The primary driver is really the fast data center business growth. If you look at the data center business as the percentage of revenue from 37% in Q4 last year to now close to 50%. That faster expansion really help us with the gross margin. When you look at the second half, we'll continue to see data center to be the major driver of our top line revenue growth will help the margin expansion. But there are some other puts and takes. I think Lisa mentioned the PC business actually is going to do better in second half, especially typically seasonally, it tends to be more consumer focused. So that really is a little bit different dynamics there. Secondly, I would say, we are going to see embedded business to be up sequentially each quarter. But the recovery, as we mentioned earlier, is more gradual. So when you look at the balance of the picture, you know, that's why we see the gross margin, the pace of gross margin change a little bit, but we do see continued gross margin expansion.
As far as the MI 300, we are quite confident over long term it will be a creative to our corporate average. We feel pretty good about overall data center business continue to be absolutely the driver of gross margin expansion. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mitch for any closing comments. Great. That concludes today's call. Thanks to all of you for joining us today. And ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.