That's How You LEARN REAL POKER! - RYE Podcast with Chance Kornuth - YouTube

You have only one tip that you've given me as to play against flybeats. Cover up. I am molding under the gun and then I'm paying attention to every single thing that happens. People bet how they look at their cards, how they check. Yeah, I'm not right every time. And sometimes I look really stupid. That's kind of the beauty of laptop. I hope I'm not getting too first. And potentially having pumped it off hundreds of thousands of dollars in one night, like, how did you feel this? Well, GTO is explaining against like a lot of people. I'm telling you. Oh, right.

你给了我唯一的一个建议，那就是在与flybeats对战时要保持警惕。我正处于压力之下，关注着发生的每一个细节。人们下注的方式，看牌和检查牌的方式都透露出一些信息。是的，我并不总是对的。有时候我看起来很愚蠢。这就是扑克的魅力所在。希望我不会太冲动，一夜之间输掉数十万美元，你有何感想？GTO对抗很多人都有解释。我告诉你。哦，好吧。

Finally, it's time. I got you on the podcast. It has been several weeks. Thank you so much for joining here today. I don't think I need to give any introduction. Just look at the background and you see that this guy has a little bit of an idea how poker works. I'm pretty sure he's going to be able to share some wisdom on how to make money consistently. Right.

最后，终于到了时候。我请你来参加播客节目。这已经过去好几个星期了。非常感谢你今天加入我们。我觉得我不需要做任何介绍。只要看看背景，就能看出这家伙对扑克有一些了解。我相信他一定能分享一些关于如何持续赚钱的智慧。对吧。

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. And also all goal is, and I think also your goal with your community is to teach people how to make money consistently. I think we've met all the people that from time to time had a lucky bank, but then lost it all. So they go for today. Yeah, I'm going to share some secrets. So thank you so much here joining today and taking the time. Welcome. Thanks for having me. This will be fun. It will be a lot of fun. Man, like live poker is booming.

我认为很多人不明白这一点。而你和你的社区的目标也是，我认为你的目标是教导人们如何持续赚钱。我认为我们遇到了那些偶尔有一笔幸运收入的人，但之后又失去了一切的人。所以他们现在努力工作。是的，我将分享一些秘诀。非常感谢今天加入并花时间。欢迎。谢谢你邀请我。这将会很有趣。玩实况扑克真的很火。

And my very first question, if I would be in your shoes, how do you choose? What do you choose this year to play? Where do you go? You could literally play any week somewhere in the States and you have probably some some big tournaments, cash game streams like it's insane. Maybe you can share us a little bit on what your plans are for this year, but also more from the perspective of for audience. How do you choose good games, whether it's live or online, right? How do you design your schedule to make sure you play the most profitable games? What should they pay attention to?

我最初的问题是，如果我站在你的位置，我会如何选择？你选择什么来玩？今年你会去哪里？在美国任何周都可以玩游戏，可能会有一些大型比赛、现金赌场流，这真是疯狂。也许你可以分享一下今年的计划，以及更多从观众的角度来看。你如何选择好游戏，无论是现场还是在线？你如何设计自己的时间表，确保参与最有利可图的游戏？他们应该注意什么？

I think one thing that can be overlooked sometime is the expense of travel, like when you have bankroll considerations. You know, you take the total number of buy-ins that you're playing multiply by a expected EV and then you actually have to subtract expenses, the expenses to get there, you know, the cost of food and hotel, et cetera. And so I think that's something that's often overlooked. You know, now for people like you and me, it's pretty easy. I go to where there's a bunch of big stuff to play. So like, seminal hard rock, WPT in April, WSP, et cetera. But I think that that's something that if I was like on the come up and I was really trying to make money, I'd probably do a lot of like the World Series of poker circuits or like the smaller buy-ins where there's a handful of different things to play. But also the expenses are, you know, a lot cheaper because it's one of like the maybe second tier casinos you could say.

我认为有时候被忽视的一件事是旅行的费用，比如在考虑银行存款时。你知道，你把你玩的总买入数乘以一个预期的EV，然后实际上要减去费用，包括到达那里的费用，食物和酒店的费用等等。所以我认为这是经常被忽视的一件事情。你知道，对于像你和我这样的人来说，这很容易。我会去有很多大东西可玩的地方，比如四月的塞米诺利硬石赌场，WPT，WSP等等。但我认为，如果我像是在起步阶段，真的想要赚钱，我可能会参加很多世界扑克大赛巡回赛，或者像是有很多不同事情可玩的小买入比赛。但同时，费用也会便宜很多，因为这些可能是像二线赌场一样的地方。

Yeah. So for you, it's just right now, biggest buy-ins get me in those and I don't care about the real. Like I typically don't travel when it's just like a, you know, one good tournament or something like that. Yeah. For me to travel, it's they have to have like a good series. You know, and honestly, like this entire year, 2024, I've just been working on making chip leader coaching as good as I can. I've never actually spent time focusing on the company. I've only focused on playing. So it's been a, you know, a really enjoyable experience because, you know, just like poker business has its own problems and, you know, for problem solvers like you and I, it's like, you got to figure out what where your leaks are in poker, you have to figure out where your leaks are in business and plug them and make them better.

是的。对你来说，现在最大的买入进入我不在乎真正的事情。通常我不会去旅行，只是为了一个好比赛或者类似的事情。对我来说，要去旅行就必须有一个好的系列赛。老实说，整个2024年，我一直在努力让筹码领袖教练尽可能好。我从来没有花时间关注公司，只专注于打牌。这是一段非常愉快的经历，因为象打牌一样，做生意也有它自己的问题。对于像你我这样的问题解决者，你必须找出在扑克中你的漏洞在哪里，也必须找出在生意中你的漏洞在哪里，并加以改进。

You mentioned that you're not traveling like necessary to just one poker tournament. Where are you right now? Where are you based? So about a year ago, my family and I moved to Nashville, Tennessee. So there's actually no casinos in Tennessee. And so I haven't really been playing at all. I found a couple of like private cash games that are soft to that when I get bored, I'll go play, but they're not very big. So it's more of just like the fact that I still enjoy playing. I like people. It's fun to get out of the house and go do that.

你提到你不像必要时那样只去一次德州扑克比赛。你现在在哪里？你的基地在哪里？大约一年前，我和我的家人搬到田纳西州的纳什维尔。田纳西州实际上没有赌场。所以我真的没有在玩。我找到了一些像私人现金游戏，比较容易打的，如果我无聊了，我会去玩，但它们规模不是很大。所以这更多是因为我依然喜欢玩牌。我喜欢和人交往。出去玩是一种乐趣。

So how is family life in Tennessee compared to the good old days of just grinding? Yeah, I mean, when I was in Vegas, man, there's just like so much to do, so much to play. It's just hard to work on a company. You know, it's like you wake up and there's like, oh, there's an 1100 divination. Now I'm going to go see what's up. But it's like here, it's really easy to have a schedule to go to the gym to. Sleep every night at a reasonable hour and to solve the other problems that aren't poker. And it's been incredibly rewarding. Fox and I have been recording almost every day. We just completed bracelet Hunter 2, which is a review of his 250K final table with, you know, extra interviews and talks of how to play like certain stack sizes and different board textures and stuff like that. So, you know, just a lot of content that we thought people would be excited to see. And now that we're done with that, I'm really excited to start playing again. I mean, this is the longest I've ever gone without traveling to play poker. So, yeah, I mean, April got a two week trip to Florida and then W.S.O.P. I'll be in Vegas the whole time. I'm sending my wife and kid to China for three weeks. So it'll be easy to just focus on grinding. You sent them there, was it on a just for vacation or your friends family over there? No, I was next Chinese for mama's there. And so, yeah, their first trip back was last October's because of COVID. And so my daughter finally got to meet her grandma on that side. And, you know, we wanted to speak Chinese. So having a trip back every year at the timing with the W.S.O.P. coincides very nicely for me to be able to like focus and play 12, 14 hours a day. Gotcha. Gotcha. So you mentioned you're working on a you're working on a new product. What is it that you would say is your let's call it core beliefs or core values when it comes to your approach to poker coaching in general. So like how do you believe that people can make consistent winnings?

田纳西的家庭生活与以前只是埋头苦干的好日子相比如何？是的，我是说，当我在拉斯维加斯的时候，有很多事情要做，很多游戏要玩。工作在公司上真的很难。你知道，起床后，就像，哦，有一个1100个占卜，我现在要去看看。但是在这里，很容易有一个去健身房的计划。每天晚上按时睡觉，并解决其他不是扑克的问题。这真的很有成就感。福克斯和我几乎每天都在录制。我们刚刚完成了《手镯猎人 2》，这是他250,000美元决赛桌的回顾，还有一些额外的采访和关于如何在不同的筹码堆大小和不同的牌桌纹理等方面进行游戏的讨论。所以，你知道，我们觉得人们会对这些内容感到兴奋。现在我们完成了这个，我真的很兴奋开始再次玩牌。我是说，这是我长时间没有出去玩扑克了。是的，四月份一次为期两周的佛罗里达之行，然后就是世界扑克锦标赛。我会整个时间待在拉斯维加斯。我把我的妻子和孩子送去中国三周。这样就更容易专心埋头苦干了。你送他们去那里，只是为了度假吗，还是你的朋友家人在那里？不，我妈妈在那里是中国人。所以，他们去年十月才办了他们的第一次回国旅行是因为COVID。所以我女儿终于见到了她那边的奶奶。我们想讲中文。所以每年回国一次与世界扑克锦标赛的时间很好地符合了我能够专注玩牌每天12-14个小时的要求。明白了。你提到你正在开发一个新产品。在一般扑克教练中，你认为什么是你的核心信仰或核心价值观？例如，你认为人们如何能够持续盈利？

I mean, we have this debate, right? Sovers, GTO, but also, you know, you have cash games tournaments, like what? What do you guys try to teach new and upcoming poker players? The biggest thing we try to teach them is how to think instead of just to memorize outputs, you know, like solvers definitely have their place and they are important and but knowing how to deviate and knowing why the solver does what it does is considerably more important than memorizing an output. If you just memorize an output and you know that versus the big one, you're going to see that small and King seven do sit this deck depth. Well, that's cool. If you get like the same board texture. Yeah, but if you understand why the solvers using Tibet small there and all of a sudden you get a similar board texture or one that's way different. You're like, Oh, I remember that this is a board that my opponent has a lot of auto continues on. So I should choose a larger sizing. So it's more about say that's like the biggest thing. Kind of think. Yeah. So it's more about that to have them understand why we want to do certain things. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. And when did you start playing poker? Um, I mean, I grew up playing just random cards with like a. Change with family members where you couldn't even check raise and it was just like that. Yeah, check raising was not allowed. But then as I get older in college or like high school when the money maker boom happened, I started to play with friends. We use pennies as poker chips and the five and $10 buy in games. And then when I got into college, it really started to get more serious. You know, I was very early on. I was eight tabling cash games and a couple of tournaments on the side. And if I got to the final table in the tournaments, I would quit the cash games and if I busted the tournaments, I would end the session. So, you know, for the longest time, I have always grinded super hard. I think that that's something that is very underrated is, you know, people think that they just deserve a big score or their do or whatever. But in reality, like you got to put in the volume, you got to put in the work. Yeah. I remember getting the final two or three tables and the Sunday majors like six, seven times before I actually even like one one, which it was like pretty discouraging at the time. But you just like realize like you don't always like run good down the stretch and I'm sure I made some mistakes as well. And then I finally had like a big bank roll and focused a little bit more on tournaments starting in probably like 2017 when I was, you know, once I started the company from there, it's just been some private cash games tournaments. And then the company. One was your first year that you would consider you took it more professional and you also started having some more consistent winnings. I was winning consistently. I would say sophomore year, maybe junior year of college. So like 2007. 2007. Did you finish your college or did you drop out? Yeah, I stopped the semester shy. My major was architectural engineering, but like even since freshman year, I knew that I was just had no interest in it whatsoever. Like I found it easy and had like a 3.7 or 3.2 GPA when I ended up dropping out, but it was actually my math professor that gave me the courage to quit. He was like, wait, you're good at this. You make good money at it and you enjoy it. He's like, why are you still here? He's like, you know, I just come back to college and I just took 40 K of my 50 K went to Vegas for three weeks. Met Ben Lamb moved with them a month later and that was that's pretty much it. That's like that's a crazy story, man.

我意思是，我们有这场辩论，对吧？Sovers、GTO，但还有现金游戏锦标赛，像是什么？你们试图教导新人和新兴的扑克玩家些什么？我们最大的目标是教他们如何思考，而不只是记忆结果，你知道，像Solvers肯定有它们的位置，它们是重要的，但知道如何偏离以及了解为什么Solver会做某事比记住结果更重要。如果你只是记住一个结果，并且知道对大哥这种情况，你会看到小哥和国王七这样的深度。那很酷。如果你遇到类似的牌局纹理。是的，但如果你明白为什么Solver选择下注小额，突然你遇到类似或完全不同的牌局纹理，你会想到，“哦，我记得这是一个我的对手会有很多自动继续的牌板，所以我应该选择更大的下注量。”所以说最重要的事情就是思考。是的。所以更重要的是让他们明白为什么我们要做某些事情。是的，没错。好的。那你是什么时候开始玩扑克的？我是指，我从小就和家人玩各种纸牌，有一些规则，比如不能check raise，只是那样。是的，不允许check raise。但后来我长大了，上了大学或者是在米克尔潮流兴起的时候，我开始和朋友玩扑克。我们用一分硬币当做扑克筹码，进行五到十美元的买入赛。当我上大学后，我开始更加认真对待扑克。我很早就开始玩多桌现金游戏和一些边玩的锦标赛。如果我进入了锦标赛的决赛桌，我会离开现金游戏，但如果我出局了，就结束这次牌局。所以长期以来，我一直在非常努力地努力。我认为这是非常被低估的一点，你知道，有些人觉得他们应该有很大的收获或者应得什么的。但实际上，你必须投入更多的手数，更多的努力。是的。我记得在周日的主要比赛中进入最后两三桌六七次，才赢得了一次，当时感到相当沮丧。但你意识到不总是能够在关键时刻好运，我肯定也犯了一些错误。后来，我终于有了一个大本钱，开始更多地专注于锦标赛，大概是在2017年开始的，一旦我创办了公司，从那时起，就只有私人现金游戏和锦标赛还有公司的牌局。那么你第一年开始把它看成是一个专业，开始有更稳定的赢利是什么时候？我会说大学的大二或大三，所以大概是2007年吧。你是毕业还是辍学了？是的，我在最后一学期辍学了。我的专业是建筑工程，但甚至从大一开始我就知道我对此毫无兴趣。尽管我发现它很容易，我的GPA在我辍学时是3.7或3.2，但实际上是我的数学教授给了我辍学的勇气。他说，等等，你擅长这个，你做这个赚钱也开心，他说，你还在这里做什么？他说，你知道，我只是回到了大学，然后花了我五万元的四万赴拉斯维加斯度过了三个星期，然后一个月后搬到了本·兰姆那，就这样，那差不多就是。这真是一个疯狂的故事，伙计。

And you spun it up that year or did Vegas give you a hard time? So the series that we played was in the Fontaine lounge at the Bellagio, which isn't even there anymore. It's the hide night club now and it was someone like the toughest series ever. I was playing with like Ruthless and Ben Lamb and just like all the all these sick online guys at the time and then was like race folding every hand and we were seven handed and he like holds under the gun and the cards kind of like arc and they hit the table and they leave their flip over. The dealer has to expose them and it's like ace 10 or ace Jack and I'm like, guys like race folding every hand like what the fuck and I look at him. He's in the two seat. I was in the three and I look at him and I go, you did that on purpose. And he goes, I'm Ben Lamb. We need to be friends and a month later I moved in with him and like that actually gave me the confidence. I had my first 50 K day, my first six figure month that month and or at least when I got home from that trip and I was like playing a bunch of like heads up P. Oh, and tournaments and just like absolutely crushing and then moved in with him lived on the strip for a couple of years, party super hard. And I would say that that chapter of my life is finished now. I completely sober these days. You know, I wanted my child to have like a super parent and you know, have something that I didn't have and I can say that there's definitely some like FOMO and there's times where I miss it, but overall, it's a huge net positive.

你是在那一年蓬勃发展，还是拉斯维加斯给你制造了麻烦？我们打的那个系列赛是在贝拉吉奥的方丹休息室进行的，那里现在已经不存在了。现在是隐藏夜总会，那个系列赛是我参加过最困难的。当时我和Ruthless和Ben Lamb一起玩，还有很多在线玩家，我每一手都在比赛折返，我们七人坐桌，他在枪位抓牌的时候，牌有点弯，碰到桌子上，就翻开了。荷官不得不让所有人看到了，牌是黑桃10或黑桃J，我感叹，每一手都在比赛折返，他居然抓成这样。我看着他，他在二号位，我在三号位，我对他说，你是故意的吧。他说，我是Ben Lamb。我们需要成为朋友。一个月后我搬进了他的家，那给了我信心。那个月我迎来了我生涯中的第一次5万美元的收入日，第一次六位数月收入，至少是在那次旅行后我回来时。我当时在打一大堆头对头的PokerStars游戏和锦标赛，完全碾压对手。然后我和他同住了几年，住在赌城，狂欢了许多。但是现在我完全戒酒。你知道，我想给我的孩子一个超级父母，拥有我没有的东西。我可以说，肯定会有一些FOMO，有时我会想念过去的生活，但总体来说，这对我是一个很大的积极影响。

Yeah, I mean, it looks like that it. I don't know if I can even find the right words for it, but it looks like it. It makes you very proud. It makes you very also more grounded. Would you would you say that now with the responsibilities of being a dad that you say, understand your responsibilities and you want to be a good role model and because you also mentioned going to the gym going early too bad that this kind of like more grown up schedule happened because of becoming a dad or was it also just something where you I'm on all my 30s. I got to go to take it a slower or at least take it my schedule more serious. I had always like party too hard and had a drinking problem, I would say. And then I did have my child. It was kind of like, okay, it's time like I've had enough fun. I'm to be an adult, like you said, you know, like a grown up. Yeah, and it took me a while and really like. I would say like grasp the shift, you know, like for a while, it was difficult. Like I only gave up alcohol and was still like doing drugs and like, you know, smoking weed and stuff like that. And eventually I would like keep drinking and after a while I gave up everything and it's been just downhill and easy since then. Do you regret those times sometimes? Oh, yeah, I have tons of regrets. Absolutely. I mean, I made like tons of mistakes when I was like playing big old private cash games and losing massive percentages of my net worth and at night. And, you know, early in my career before I had a family and responsibilities, like I ran it up to a million and down to a hundred K so many times. And then I finally realized that like I don't need to play the absolute nosebleeds cash games in order to like make a good living. And ever since I have been more responsible with my bankroll, it's just my amount of money in the bank account just slowly climbs up and life's good and much less stressful, I would say.

是的，我是说，看起来是这样的。我甚至不知道能不能找到合适的词来表达，但看起来是这样。这让你感到非常自豪，也让你更加踏实。你现在会说，作为一个父亲的责任，你能够理解自己的责任，想要成为一个好榜样，因为你也提到过早早去健身房，这种更加成熟的日程安排是因为成为父亲吗，还是只是因为你已经进入了30岁，觉得应该慢下来，或者至少更认真地安排自己的日程呢？我以前总是过度狂欢，有过酗酒问题，然后我有了孩子。那种感觉就像是，好吧，是时候了，我已经玩够了，我要变成一个成年人，就像你说的那样，就像一个成熟的人。嗯，这花了我一段时间才真正领悟到这种改变，你知道，有一段时间是困难的。一开始我只放弃了酒精，但仍在吸毒、吸大麻之类的。最终我放弃了一切，自那以后一切都变得顺利和简单。你有时后悔那些时光吗？哦，是的，我有很多后悔。绝对的。我在参加大型私人现金游戏时犯了很多错误，输掉了我净值的很大一部分。在我的职业生涯早期，在我还没有家庭和责任之前，我赢了一百万，然后输得一百万的次数太多了。后来我终于意识到，我不需要玩绝对的高额现金游戏才能过上好日子。自那以后，我对我的银行账户更加负责，里面的钱缓慢增长，生活很好，压力也少得多。

Why would you? Why would you pay in those games? It was just an ego thing or was it also? I think it was partially greed, but I'm sure you go ahead and do that as well. And it, you know, a lot of the elite poker players, I would say, like a lot of us are very competitive, you know, so I think I did just want to try to beat those games and but the problem was like a lot of them, I would only invite me like when I was drinking and partying. And so it's like, yes, if sober, I'm going to be the best player in the game. But when I'm black, I would drunk, maybe not. Yeah, I hope I'm not getting too personally because I think it's it's probably super valuable lesson you have to you have to teach here because I can imagine the next morning you wake up and you realize that I just punted off several hundred K like how do you feel? Like how many days or weeks did it?

你为什么要这样做呢？为什么你要在那些游戏中付出呢？是因为自我意识还是其他原因？我觉得部分原因是贪婪，但我确定你也这样做了。你知道，很多顶级扑克玩家，我想说，像我们很多人一样，都很有竞争心，所以我想我只是想试着战胜那些游戏，但问题是，很多时候，他们只会在喝酒和狂欢的时候邀请我参加。所以，是的，如果我清醒的话，我会是游戏中最好的玩家。但当我喝醉了，也许就不是了。是的，我希望我不会讲得太过个人，因为我认为这可能是一个非常有价值的教训，你必须在这里教导，因为我可以想象第二天早上醒来后，你意识到我刚刚投掷了几十万美元，你会有什么感受？你会用多少天或几周来弥补这个错误？

I could just sometimes when I punt it off a hand, sometimes it's for weeks. I'm like, I hate myself. I'm like, damn, I could have played it better. But now just hearing that kind of story of potentially having punted off hundreds of thousands of dollars in one night, like how did you feel? How did you cope with that for the days and weeks after? I've always been like pretty mentally strong, I would say. Early on, I think it was 2009. I had one on one package with Tommy Angela and worked on my mentality. And I actually like purchased it in the hopes that it would help a couple of horses that I had at the time, not knowing that it would be so life changing for me. And the other two horses don't really play poker anymore, ironically, but it helped me. I wanted to bring my first brace at the very next year and I've had a high level of success since working in my mindset.

有时候我会觉得自己在推牌时出现失误，有时候会持续数周。我会觉得很讨厌自己，感觉我能做得更好。但是现在听到那种可能一晚上输掉数十万美元的故事，你当时是什么感受？你之后的日子和周末是怎么度过的？我一直觉得自己心理素质还不错。早在2009年，我与汤米·安吉洛进行了一对一的辅导，改善了我的心态。当时我购买这个项目是希望帮助两匹马，没有想到对我自己来说会是如此改变命运。讽刺的是，其他两匹马现在基本不再玩扑克了，但这个项目对我非常有帮助。接下来的一年我就赢得了首个比赛，并且在改善心态后一直取得了很高的成功。

I think that that's one thing that is very overrated in poker. Like no one wants to work on their mindset because it's not like flashing, right? Did you say it's all rated? Sorry to interrupt you. Did you say overrated or underrated? Under it. Under it. Okay. Like no one wants to work on your mindset. You know, it's one of the most important aspects. I think there's like tons and tons of poker players who could. You know, maybe pass a theoretical test, you know, they know they, some of you send them a hand history. They can get the right answer and it's like, okay, but then they get at the poker table and they just make these mistakes, right? And they know it's a mistake and they still do it. And you know, being able to play your best at all times or as often as possible is kind of a poker superpower. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a huge thing for sure. But also I think what most people lack is the patience for working on your mindset. I mean, where you are today probably happened through, you know, being like this. Like a rock under pressure that transitioned into a diamond, but this can only happen when there's like pressure, pressure, pressure mistakes, fuckups, but then also having the courage to be open to learn from your mistakes. If you would have just kept drinking and partying and doing all that shit, you probably wouldn't be there where you are today. But so it required also for you to understand, all right, go to step it up.

我认为在扑克中有一件非常被高估的事情就是思维。就好像没有人想要努力调整自己的思维，因为这不像炫耀一样吸引人，对吗？你是说被高估了吗？抱歉打断你。你是说高估还是低估？低估。低估。好的。就好像没有人想要努力调整自己的思维。你知道，这是最重要的方面之一。我认为有很多扑克玩家可能能够在理论测试中得分，你知道，他们知道如果你给他们一手历史记录，他们会得到正确答案，就像，好吧，但是他们到了扑克桌上就会犯这些错误，对吧？他们知道这是个错误，但他们还是犯了。你知道，在尽可能多的时候能够发挥自己的最佳水平或尽可能经常这样做，有点像是扑克的超能力。是的。是的，这绝对是一件很重要的事情。但我觉得大多数人缺乏的是对调整思维的耐心。我的意思是，你今天所取得的成就可能是通过这种方式来实现的，就像是承受压力时坚如磐石，然后转变成了一颗钻石，但这只有在有压力、压力、压力、错误、犯错的情况下才能发生，但同时也需要有勇气去从错误中吸取教训。如果你一直保持喝酒、狂欢，做所有那些事情，你可能就不会达到今天的成就了。所以，这也需要你明白，好的，是时候加把劲了。

I mean, of course with a child, I think it should be a no brainer to take things a little more serious and learn from past mistakes. Like I got lucky that I've always been gifted at poker. And what do you mean with what do you think? What do you mean with you have been gifted? Well, I don't know if it was because when I started, I was like final tabling events immediately. Like I'm sure you know that every time you go deep or final table or win or whatever, you learn so much. And so I got really lucky internment specifically to make those runs early and learn a lot, not to mention that, you know, back in the day on full tilt and party poker, it was so easy. Like I remember I was four-tabling one night and these are like 500,000 person events.

我是说，当然，对于一个孩子来说，我认为应该毫无疑问地更加认真对待事情，并从过去的错误中吸取教训。就像我很幸运，我一直很擅长打扑克。你说的是什么意思？你说你很有天赋是什么意思？嗯，我不知道是不是因为我开始时就像立即进入了决赛。就像我肯定你知道，每次你深入比赛、进入决赛或者赢下比赛，你会学到很多东西。所以，在那个时候，尤其是确实很幸运，早期就能取得成功并学到很多，更不用说，在full tilt和party poker，比赛真的很简单。就像我记得有一个晚上我四台比赛，这些都是5万人的比赛。

And I had all four of them were blue backgrounds on full tilt with the final tables. And you know, just having a game style and learning how the opponent like tendencies and population tendencies and saying like, oh, like yeah, like it's hard for him to have a value hand, but I just know that people don't take this line as a bluff or vice versa. It's like, yeah, this is a very bluff oriented line. So I'm going to continue why or something like that. I also think that from the gifted perspective, like my pattern recognition is really high. And so I'm able to kind of grasp those concepts of where people are weak and strong faster than others. So what you say when you started out, let's say your first, the second year, like whatever the period was where you had all those final tables and you were lucky. Would you say you played also winning strategy and on top of that, you've been also lucky or where you just playing bad and you were lucky? Oh, no, I was playing extremely winning strategy. Like as you know, back then, people were under three betting and two passive and two tight in a lot of spots. So you basically just got to be incredibly active preflop had a lot of front sight aggression and you just got to pick up so many pots because people didn't bite back correctly versus preflop. Minarized. Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, I had an incredibly winning strategy that allowed me to learn as I went, I would say.

我有四个蓝底的桌子全部都是满桌，进入了决赛桌。你知道的，了解游戏风格，学习对手的倾向和整体倾向，比如说，哦，他很难有价值手牌，但我知道人们不会以此作为虚张声势，或者相反。就像，这条线很容易是在虚张声势，所以我会继续下去，为什么之类的。我也认为从天赋的角度来看，我的模式识别能力非常高。所以我能更快地抓住人们弱点和优势，比其他人更快地理解这些概念。那么当你开始的时候，比如说你的第一个或第二年，在那段时间里你进入了所有那些决赛桌，你觉得自己是打出了一个成功的策略，还是幸运的？或者你只是打得不好，而运气好？哦，不，我当时打出了极其成功的策略。就像你知道的，那时候人们很少三次加注和太过被动，对很多局面过于保守。所以你基本上只需要在前期非常活跃，发动大量前期进攻，因为人们在前期不正确地对付回来。所以，是的。我有一个令人难以置信的成功策略，让我在实战中学习。

Yeah. I honestly, I disagree with you. I don't think you have been very lucky. I would actually say that you've been very unlucky and you made actually the best out of it. If I would take 100 players that did not have, let's say, the proper mindset, yeah, take the average dude and put him in your position. I would say 98 out of 100 would blow up their bankroll. They would go broke because they overestimate themselves. So I honestly, I want students so far in my career that I met in one of our bootcamps. So also said, I want a lot of money early on and because of his upbringing, because of his parents, he understood the responsibility with more money and great power becomes responsibility. But that's not how a lot of people see it. So a lot of students that I met who actually made it or poker friends, right? Like whatever it is, they tell me, yeah, it was really rough at the beginning. So it was for me. So they understood it takes a lot of work and a lot of grind to make it in poker. So for me, I find it very inspiring if I meet someone that says I was very lucky early on my career and yet I made it because I think it's a lot harder. It's a lot harder when people say, oh, Ben, like I'm losing at the beginning. It's hard. Good. Good because you learned early on what it means to be a poker player. I would say most poker players, they think, oh my God, poker is so easy. I have tons of these DMs. So I'll bet you were so right. Like I made five grand. I lost it all. It happens left and right. I honestly think you have been very unlucky, dude. You have not been lucky. Baby, it's a lot harder to make a career from poker if you're that lucky early on.

是的。老实说，我不同意你的观点。我认为你并没有那么幸运。我反而会说你运气很差，但你确实做到了最好。如果我挑选100名没有正确心态的玩家，嗯，就选普通的人，然后让他们置于你的位置。我会说100个人中有98个人会破产。他们会破产是因为他们高估了自己。所以老实说，我职业生涯中遇到的学生，曾在我们的培训营中遇到的学生，他说，他早期赚了很多钱，因为他的成长背景，因为他的家庭，他理解了拥有更多金钱和伟大力量意味着责任。但很多人并不这样看。所以我遇到的很多学生，他们真的成功了，或者和我一起玩扑克的朋友，不管是什么，他们告诉我，一开始真的很艰难。对我来说也是如此。他们理解要在扑克中取得成功需要很多努力和努力。对我来说，如果我遇到某人说自己在事业的早期非常幸运，然后取得了成功，我会觉得非常鼓舞，因为我认为这更加困难。如果有人说“哦，本，我一开始就输钱了，很难”，我会觉得很好。很好，因为你早早就领悟到成为一名扑克玩家的含义。我会说大多数扑克玩家都认为，“天哪，扑克很容易啊”。我收到了很多这样的私信。他们会说“你是对的，我挣了5千块钱，然后全输光了”。这种事情时有发生。老实说你并没有那么幸运，朋友。如果你一开始就那么幸运，要从扑克中谋生会更加困难。

Yeah, I can see that. I mean, after I won my first bracelet in 2010, there's like a 500 K score in the 5K P. Oh, I swapped out like 7, 5%. So I'm left with like a little over 300 K and then taxes. So like 200 K and I started playing like pretty high stakes P. Oh, and lost like the vast majority of it back went from like 300 back to 100. Had to move down and rebuild. And that's something that, you know, I've done a ton in my career, not anymore, but, you know, moving down and rebuilding the bankroll is something that I do think takes like a little humility. Like, oh, it's like, all right. You don't have this, the bankroll to play the stakes anymore. I have to move down. And obviously when you move down, if you do have that skill set, your win rate goes up. The variance goes down. And it's a lot easier to rebuild when you just go to a stake that you know that you're crushing. Yeah. I think it's almost like a superpower in poker because it's very difficult to admit that you just all right. You got to move down to rebuild. It's it's very, very dangerous. And I think, or sorry, it's very powerful, but it's very dangerous. Like just this example used with your pillow win. You could have easily played the same stakes because you have that proof of winning in P. Oh, so it's like, why would I move down? I can beat it, but let's be honest, was just one tournament. I mean, I don't know anything about your P. Oh, skits, but let's say you just got lucky and you weren't beating the P. Oh, stakes again, not assuming that's the case, but it applies to many, right? They have one big score and then they start losing, but they have that evidence of one tournament. And that could make them believe that they're actually beating the stakes. And I think that's the dangerous cycle.

是的，我能理解。我的意思是，在2010年赢得我第一个手镯之后，在5K P. Oh中得了50万分数。哦，我换出了大约7, 5%。所以我剩下了大约30万，然后扣税。所以大约20万，然后我开始玩相当高的赌注。哦，输掉了大部分的钱，从30万回到了10万。不得不降低赌注重新开始。这是我在职业生涯中做过很多次的事情，现在不再这样了，但是，你知道，降低赌注重新开始需要一点谦卑的心态。就像是，“好吧，现在你没有足够的资金去玩这个赌注了，我必须降低赌注。”显然，当你降低赌注时，如果你有那个技能，你的胜率会上升，方差会减小。当你只去一个你知道自己能打破的赌注时，重建就会变得更容易。是的。我认为这几乎就像是扑克中的超能力，因为很难承认你必须降低赌注重新开始。这非常具有危险性，但同时也很强大。就像你前面获胜的例子一样。你本来可以继续玩同样的赌注，因为你有在P. Oh中获胜的证明。那为什么要降低赌注呢？我可以打败对手。但实话实说，那只是一个比赛。我对你的P. Oh技能一无所知，但假设你只是幸运赢得了一次比赛，之后却无法打败P. Oh赌注，并不是假设这种情况，但它适用于很多人，他们有一次大赛获胜，然后开始输钱，但他们有一场比赛的证据。这可能让他们相信自己实际上是在打败赌注，我认为这是一个危险的循环。

Yeah, I think that that is a really common story. For me, it was that I was just like smoking tons of weed and playing too many tables and like looking back at the sessions, man, like the amount of like red mind money that I left on the table was just like incredible. You know, so there's a lot of like playing bed for what it's worth.

是的，我认为这是一个非常常见的故事。对我来说，我只是抽了很多大麻，玩了太多牌桌，回想起来，哥们，我在桌子上留下的纯粹损失就是惊人的。你知道，有很多东西都是不值得的。

P.O.O. was my early grind game. You know, I built my bank role playing P.O.O. Oh, really? Yeah, it was already it was always P.O.O. Cash and no limit tournaments and even participating in the Gal fun challenge. I actually felt like I had a significant edge in the early going. Like it started off like he was up 200 K and then I was up 300 K and then I had a kid and we took like two or three weeks off.

P.O.O. 是我早期玩的游戏。你知道, 我通过玩 P.O.O. 积累了我的银行存款。真的吗？是的，我经常参加 P.O.O. 的现金和无上限锦标赛，甚至参加 Gal fun 挑战。起初我觉得自己有一定的优势。一开始我赚了 200K，然后变成 300K，后来我生了个孩子，我们休息了两三周。

And when I came back, he absolutely destroyed me. So I felt incredibly confident that I had a significant edge and then, you know, while I was having a kid and a newborn, he went and figured out where I was deficient, where I was unbalanced and came back and just absolutely crushed me. And so, you know, again, like losing to Phil Gal fun.

当我回来时，他完全击败了我。所以我觉得自己非常自信，认为我有明显的优势，然后你知道，当我有一个孩子和一个新生儿的时候，他找出我哪里不足，哪里不平衡，然后回来击溃我。所以，你知道，再次输给Phil Gal很有趣。

I don't think takes away from my P.O.O.O. skill. You know, he's one of the best heads up P.O.O. ever. But I do feel very confident in my P.O.O. skill in general. Not as good as my Nolan and tournament, I would say, but definitely something an area that I'm strong in.

我不认为会影响到我的P.O.O.O.技巧。你知道，他是最擅长面对面P.O.O.的玩家之一。但总的来说，我对自己的P.O.O.技巧非常自信。我会说不及我的Nolan和比赛技巧，但肯定是我的强项之一。

Do you play any online or online tournaments, online cash or mostly live right now? Oh, yeah, I play. I don't really play online cash. Oh, you know, once twice a year, I'll find like a poker club and grind it for a couple weeks that a friend will be like, Hey, this is a really good spot. You should come put in some volume like to go a little off topic.

你现在是主要玩线上还是线下锦标赛，线上现金，或是更多地参加线下比赛？哦，是的，我玩。我不太玩线上现金。哦，你知道，我每年可能会找一个扑克俱乐部，在那里打一两个星期，朋友会告诉我，“嘿，这是一个很好的场所，你应该来投入一些时间。”我喜欢有点离题。

Like that's one of the best ways to make money in poker is you find a good spot where you're a favorite in it and you're, you know, confident you're going to get paid. You're not going to get cheated. You go and you put in the volume and, you know, my wife's always been incredibly supportive of that. If I'm going to work for, if I'm going to grind for 12 hours a day every day because it's a good spot, she'll handle everything she needs to. And, but in general, like I'll still play a couple times a month on ACR on Sundays.

在扑克中赚钱的最佳方式之一就是要找到一个好的机会，在这个机会中你是占优势的，你有信心会得到回报。你不会被欺骗。你投入大量精力，我妻子一直非常支持这一点。如果我每天要工作，每天要拼命12个小时，因为这是一个好机会，她会处理好一切需要处理的事情。总的来说，我每个月还是会在ACR上周日玩几次。

One of the things I like to do to record content for our Tripletor AI subscribers is think of it as like a private Twitch stream where I record my screen cameras on. Well, that's my talking through my thought process. And yeah, so it's one of the easiest ways for me to one stay sharp in tournaments, which I think is pretty valuable and to record content for the subscribers. So I've definitely enjoyed making those videos and I do think they keep me sharp.

我喜欢为我们Tripletor AI的订阅者录制内容的事情之一是把它看作是一个私人的Twitch直播，我在录制时会打开我的屏幕摄像头。嗯，这就是我讲述我的思考过程。是的，这是我保持在比赛中保持敏锐的最简单方式之一，我认为这相当有价值，并且可以为订阅者录制内容。所以我确实喜欢制作这些视频，我认为它们帮助我保持敏锐。

And one of the other aspects of like playing regularly is the game always evolves, right? You know, it's think of like a rock, paper, scissors thing where you throw rock long enough and the general population pool is eventually going to start throwing paper. You need to figure out like what scissors is. And so I think that that's something that, you know, playing at least semi regularly, even though I have been focused on the company for a little while.

另一个经常玩游戏的好处是游戏总是不断发展，对吧？你知道，就像石头、剪刀、布一样，如果你一直扔石头，普通玩家最终会开始扔布。你需要找出剪刀是什么。所以我认为，尽管我一直专注于公司一段时间，经常玩游戏至少有一定好处。

It's definitely important to stay sharp and prepare for the WSOV. Yeah, what do you think are the main difference between live and online when it comes to the skill level of poker players? Hmm. Well, the biggest like people always say it's like, oh, it's a completely different game. And I always just say like, no, it's the same game, but live poker just has an extra element of information, like your ability to look at your opponent.

在为WSOV做好准备并保持警觉绝对很重要。是的，你认为在扑克玩家的技术水平方面，现场和线上之间的主要区别是什么？嗯，最大的区别就是人们经常说的，哦，这是完全不同的游戏。我总是说，不，它是同样的游戏，但是现场扑克有一个额外的信息元素，就是你能够观察对手。

Like you get to a new table online and it's like, or six, seven, four, two, it's like, yeah, you really don't have any info other than maybe their stack size or the location. But live, it's like people send me a hand history and they're like, so I get to a new table and I get in this hand with this guy with no info and I'm like, how old is he? Like, how does he stack his chips? Like, what is he wearing? Is it a girl or a boy? You know, it's like, you always have some information immediately and you get to make conclusions about your opponents much faster. Yeah. But regarding like the actual like the initial question of the primary difference, I would say that like live people are afraid to look stupid.

就像你在网上进入一个新桌子，可能是六、七、四、二，你真的除了可能知道他们的筹码堆大小或位置之外，你几乎没有任何信息。但在现场，人们会发给我一手牌谱，他们会说，我到了一个新的桌子上，和一个没有信息的家伙打牌，我就像，他多大了？他是怎么摆放筹码的？他穿着什么？是个女生还是男生？你知道，你总是立刻拥有一些信息，从而更快地对对手做出判断。但就实际的初期问题而言，我会说，现场的人害怕看起来愚蠢。

And so they don't pull the trigger on in certain spots if their cards have to show. So they're afraid to like pull the trigger on a bluff that they might online or they're afraid to like call an all in because the cards have to get shown and they look stupid. Yeah. So would you say what would you would you say that live people, love less and big pots or important spots, basically?

因此，如果他们的牌必须亮出来，他们就不会在特定的场合下扣动扳机。因此，他们害怕像在线上那样扣动扳机进行虚张声势，或者他们害怕跟注All In，因为要亮出牌，这样会显得很蠢。所以你觉得现场玩家在大注或关键时刻爱下注更少吗？

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I don't have as much live experience. I mean, I grind a couple of Vegas, I think three WCPs and one EPT. I would say the level of theory. So like the elements of poker are life a lot worse. You see people doing a lot more blunders than online online. You have on average, I would say a higher skill level. If I compare, say the 5K Titans on stars or the 10K GG million with a 5K live event or a 10K live event, it's like so much softer life. Like you sometimes have. You sometimes have two or three very bad players even on a 5K or 10K or like the 5K 6 makes W. I mean, WCP is a bit special. I think EPT is a little tougher, but still you have like most of the time, at least one big fish on your table, sometimes even two and even also the regular since they grind the live series, they put a lot of more volume. They don't have as much time to study, which makes a lot of sense for you to play an entire series. They're also not. They're also not. I study. No, no, it's yeah, you can't blame them, right? It's no, of course. No, it's getting win.

是的，绝对是。是的。好的。我是说，我没有太多的现场经验。我去过几次拉斯维加斯，我想参加了三次WCP和一次EPT。我会说理论水平方面。就像扑克的要素，在现场时要差很多。你会看到人们犯更多的错误，比在线上要多。一般来说，我会说在线上的技能水平更高。如果我比较一下，在Stars上的5K Titans或者10K GG million和一场5K或者10K的现场比赛，现场的水平就会软很多。有时候你会遇到两三个非常菜的玩家，甚至是在一场5K或10K的比赛上，或者5K 6人桌的WCP比赛上。我是说，WCP有点特殊。我认为EPT会更难一些，但是你依然会在你的桌上看到至少一个很弱的玩家，有时候甚至会有两个，甚至连那些经常参加现场系列赛的常客也因为他们要投入更多的时间来打比赛，导致他们没有太多时间去学习。参加整个系列赛是很有意义的。他们也没有太多的时间去学习。对吧，你不能怪罪他们，是吧？当然。是的，胜者。

Yeah, like one of the things I've noticed playing like private cash games is the regs are absolutely terrible because they don't have to improve because they can beat the fish because the games are so good. Yeah. And so like one of the reasons people online started improving is because they had to. Yeah, I agree. I agree fully. And I think that also brings a bit of a danger and I can see that myself that if you play a lot online and then you play live, you really have to unbrainwash your mind that as you mentioned, it is the same game, but then it is also kind of a different game. You very often have these spots where you're just pot, pot, pot with value. And then once this guy with a hat, it's just sitting there playing no hand for five orbits and then he re raises you. And if you think about which blockers I have to defend on my flop. Sorry, I can't help you. But the thing is, if you're in this online grind for several months, it is, it is, you really need to pay attention, be aware and maybe meditate on it. Do whatever the fuck it is that now you play against players who either bluff like crazy. I think also life, you just have these guys like, I'm going to steamroll everyone, you know, like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna own them, gonna destroy them. I'm the table captain, you know, they're not falling. They hate it when you race into their big blind. They hate it when you three by 10, you just three by them twice and then five all is like, they get all angry and mad at you, you know. And then on the other side, you have like very, yeah, very passive and weak opponents who is something like, I don't know, like 15 big blinds. You regem ace jag and then you get the two minute 10 call with a screen because they always put your name's king, you know. And it happens, you know, online this stuff barely happens, but they don't know what pre flip charts are. They don't know what, what a server is. And so this is, and I think this is also an advantage that you have. I noticed this in my coaching sessions that people that learned poker 10, 15 years ago have it so much easier. To go into these extremes, extremes of, I know it's a good spot to bluff. I don't care what my block cards are, you know, and then on the other side, yeah, you're top of your range, but if you never blast. And this is what a lot of players struggle with their learn poker through a solver. I mean, my cards only matter if the opponents thinking about my range instead of the absolute value of their hand strength. Yeah. No, absolutely. So that's, I think also in the coaching sessions, the most difficult part is to teach them that level of thinking. And this is something that we'll never be able to teach you. That's one of the reasons I had so much success teaching Alex Foxen is because he was already like very aggressive, willing to take like all of the, you know, cold for bed or whatever aggressive spots. And teaching him like the slight sizing difference in live tell stuff and basically just like telling him, even from an online perspective of like you don't have to be in this box. Like you don't have to be restricted by what you're supposed to do. Like in poker, we can literally do whatever the fuck we want. And that's like one of the beautiful aspects of the game. And I think that a lot of the people who maybe started in the last five years, like you mentioned, is they are really stuck inside the box and they're not able to do the things they need to do to exploit as much as they should.

是的，我注意到一个事情，在私人现金游戏中，常规玩家表现得非常糟糕，因为他们不需要提高水平，他们可以击败鱼群，因为游戏非常好。是的。因此，人们在线开始提高水平的一个原因是因为他们必须这样做。是的，我同意。我完全同意。而且我认为这也带来了一些危险，我自己也能看到，如果你经常在线玩，然后再去现场玩，你真的需要洗脑自己，就像你说的，这是同一款游戏，但也有点不同的游戏。你经常会碰到这种情况，在你以有价值的底池下注后，有个带着帽子的家伙坐在那里，五轮都不玩牌，然后突然重新加注。如果你考虑我需要用什么牌来保护我的翻牌，对不起，我帮不了你。但事实是，如果你在线打了几个月，你真的需要注意，意识到可能需要冥想一下。因为现在你要对抗那些要么疯狂吹牛要么就是一直被动的玩家。我觉得在现场，你有这些家伙，说我要碾压所有人，我要打垮他们，我是桌面上的船长，他们不会放弃。他们讨厌你进他们的大盲站。他们讨厌你三倍加注，你三倍加注他们两次，然后再五倍加的时候，他们就会生气，对你发火。另一方面，你有一些非常被动和虚弱的对手，他们可能只有15个大盲。你三倍加注A-J，然后他们拿着A-10等两分钟才决定跟进，因为他们总是把你当成国王。在线上这种情况很少发生，但他们不知道什么是翻牌表，他们不知道什么是策略。我觉得这也是你的优势。我在辅导课中注意到，学了10到15年扑克的人要容易得多。去决定这些极端的情况，我知道这是一个好的吹牛机会，我不关心我手牌是什么，然后另一方面，你是最强的手牌，但如果你从不大胆下注。这是很多玩家在学习扑克时遇到困难的地方，意味着如果对手考虑的是我的牌型，而不是手牌的绝对价值。不，绝对不。我认为在辅导课中最困难的部分是教会他们那种思维水平。这是我们永远无法教会你的东西。我能成功地教会Alex Foxen的一个原因是因为他已经非常激进，愿意接受所有冷对注之类的激进局面。教他現場信息手势中的轻微下注差别以及基本上告诉他，即使从在线扑克的角度出发，你也不必被拘束在某个框框里。在扑克中，我们可以做任何我们想做的事情，这就是游戏的美好之一。我认为在过去五年中开始的很多人，就像你提到的那样，他们真的被困在框框里，无法进行剥削的操作，尽可能发挥自己的优势。

Yeah, that's a very good point. When you think about it, that, and this is probably something, I'm going to make, I mean, I made this prediction already several times, but in five or ten years, we can truly incorporate the ability of solve future or consider your future game, your own edge into a tournament. That's why I was so fascinated when you reviewed the hand against Ricksby. I hope I'm not triggering you anywhere, anyway, and I don't hope, I hope you don't have the Gagans Ricksby, the W Supreme with Ace King. He doesn't get Aces, he's not supposed to get Aces. Right, chance guy.

是的，这是一个非常不错的观点。当你考虑到这一点时，我可能会提出一个问题，我是说，我已经多次做出过这个预测，但是在五到十年内，我们真的可以将解决未来问题的能力或考虑未来游戏的优势融入比赛中。这就是为什么当你回顾与里克斯比对手时，我感到如此着迷。我希望我没有在任何地方触发你，无论如何，我也希望你没有对砂伽诺斯·里克斯比的事情有任何兴趣，他拿的不是Aces，他本不应该拿Aces。对吧，机会主义者。

Oh, he's king of hearts. Well, over a hundred bigs deep. Here we go. Oh, he's got a smile. He's never bringing bad mojo to the tables. But he feels he's got Rigby. Because he knows what Rigby plays. Wow, an ace for the stoic. Real light four bets in a button versus big-line spot. You also know. Did he say all in right there? Oh, oh! Oh, my goodness. Chance Corneth, welcome to the table. He is the shorter of these two monster stacks. Oh, my God. Holy shit. He's just knowing. It's been like this the whole. His man there.

哦，他是心之王。而且，他有超过一百大盲的筹码。我们开始了。哦，他微笑着。他从不给桌上带来不祥之气。但他觉得自己有着对手的阵容。因为他知道对手会怎么打。哇，对于冷静的玩家来说是很轻松的四倍加注按钮对大盲的位置。你也知道。他在那里说全推了吗？哦，哦！哦，天啊。欢迎Chance Corneth来到这个牌桌。他是这两大怪物筹码堆中更短的那个。哦，我的天啊。天啊，他就是知道。整个比赛都是这样。他的对手。

Yeah, it's really good. Rigby in line to shoot up the leaderboard once again with almost 6.3 million of his Aces can hold. It's for that shoving for a hundred bigs. Gets action. Bullets. Chance Corneth can't believe it. His fate riding on hearts in Broadway. No hearts. Horse flops. Yeah, Queen of Hearts. One heart there. I love a sweat. Four diamonds. I already called the turn. That's right. He called for it. Yeah, just so wrong. That's a rule. You can ask for it on the grid. It's not really a rule to guideline. Four diamonds. I've called it. Let's go! Let's go! Wow. Wow. It's like someone with your edge, probably solverwise, called. Right? Theory always called. But if you consider your own edge and like. Terrible. Yeah. And that's what I mean. Terrible. It's like, I wasn't even settled, right? Like, the weirdest thing happens.

是的，真的很棒。里格比再次领先榜单，几乎有630万筹码，可以持有他的王牌。这次是以一百大盲注的筹码进行全押。得到回应，子弹。查斯·科涅斯简直无法相信。他的命运取决于手中的心术和大道。没有心术。牌桌翻出了马。是的，红心皇后。有一个红心。我喜欢紧张。四个方块。我已经叫了转牌。没错，他叫了。是的，就是那样错误的。这是规则。你可以在牌桌上要求转牌。其实这并不是一个明确的规定。四个方块。我叫了。让我们走！让我们走！哇。哇。就像是有人凭借你的优势，可能是根据求解器的智慧而决定的。对吧？理论总是叫的。但如果考虑到你自己的优势和喜好。糟糕。是的。这就是我说的。糟糕。就像，我甚至还没有安定下来，对吧？最奇怪的事情发生了。

So, like, this is pretty crazy. So, the floor is shuffling the cards for a table break, right? And he hasn't shuffled. The dealer does the high card to see who gets the first card, you know? And the dealer goes, where was the high card? And then he shuffles. Sorry, the floor man goes, where was the high card? The dealer points it to see. And he shuffles like three more times. And then he passes them out. And he looks at me and he says, if your card has X on it, you're at the future table. And I look and I'm just like, so fucking sure that I'm going to be at the future table. And so I was like a little bit shook from that because like, if you actually look.

这事实在太疯狂了。就是这样，地板正在为休息的桌子洗牌，对吧？他还没洗牌。庄家拿出高牌确定谁先发牌，你懂吧？然后庄家问，高牌在哪？他才开始洗牌。抱歉，地板经理问，高牌在哪？庄家指了指。然后他再洗了三次。然后才开始发牌。他看着我说，如果你的牌上有X，你将会在未来的桌子上。我看了一眼我的牌，猜想我肯定会在未来的桌子上。我为此有点震惊，因为就是这样，如果你真的看看。

So, we're in this tournament, the main event with 600 people left. And the last like 10 people that get moved to this future table are literally like made for TV. Like myself, other elite pros, big fish, like whatever. And I look at this and I'm like. I'm one of the best in the world at pattern recognition. And I was like, I could just see that this was just not a good thing. And this just does not feel random to me. And obviously like, it can never be proven. They had never made it. Also, it was great that you got the card with an X on it to get moved to the future table. I think there's at least a high chance in whether it was rigged or not. Mentally, I was very hung up on it. And so like, you know, we talked about the importance of playing your A game. And so I'm like, kind of shook by this. And I'm like, fuck, like one, now I have to go to this feature table and show my cards. So I can't really do some of the stuff you get to get away with in the main event. And then second of all, like I get moved there and, you know, I'm like getting my tweets ready to tell you my team to like put out tweets that I'm at the future table and just like, I wasn't like settled. Yeah. I was battling like a terrible sky in my eye, which is actually still little there. I have an eye doctor next week. And I just like was sick. And I get to the feature table and I just wasn't settled. And I get there and three that and it literally never crossed my mind to the world. It was just like, I guess I'm all in. I didn't even think about the number of big blinds. Didn't even think about like the edge in the tournament. And like looking back on it, I think it's like the most trivial fold ever. In fact, I think I should just like flat be open pre and just like play like a single race spot. Like I did the entire tournament and just have the top of my range on a single race spot. But that's the void variance against Rick's be use probably the only guy in this table and put you in tough sports post-warp or.

所以，我们参加了这个比赛，剩下600人参加了主赛事。最后被移动到这个未来桌的最后的10个人简直像是为电视制作的一样。就像我自己，其他精英职业选手，大鱼，等等。我看着这个情况，心里想着，我在世界上是最擅长图案识别的人之一。我感觉到，这不是一个好事。对我来说，这并不是随机的。显然，这是无法证明的。他们从来没有做过。另外，手牌上有一个X的那张牌使你被移动到未来桌上是很棒的。我觉得这个是否被操纵的可能性很高。在心理上，我受到了很大的困扰。所以，你知道，我们谈到了玩出最佳水平的重要性。我感到有点震惊。我想，现在我必须去这个未来桌，展示我的牌。所以，我不能像在主赛事中那样做一些你可以逃脱的事情。其次，我被移动到那里，并且，你知道，我准备好了我的推文，告诉你们我的团队，发布我在未来桌上的推文，我就像心里不踏实。我像是在对抗一种讨厌的眼睛病，实际上它还在我的眼睛上有点。下周我去看眼科医生。我感到恶心。我到了未来桌上，我只是不踏实。当我到了那里，三个字母从来没有跨过我的脑海。就像，我想我就全押了。我甚至没有考虑牌面上的筹码数量。甚至没有考虑比赛中的优势。回想起来，我认为这是有史以来最不重要的弃牌。事实上，我觉得我应该只是跟注，然后在单次加注的情景下玩牌，就像我整个比赛中做的那样，并且只在单次加注的情景下发挥我的手牌最好的部分。但是这就摆脱了变数，反而成为了泄露，里克斯可能是这个桌子上唯一一个会让你为难的对手。

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I accumulated the entire event just raised in C bit. Three that in C bit, you know, the occasional double barrels, the occasional bluff catch. And I did have a couple of nice like, you know, four bit fluff spots, but I didn't go deep in the main event every year. Like I seem to by getting in 120 big blinds per day. You know, that's just like not how I do it. And I also got kind of wrapped up in the war that is reek. And, you know, that's not actually how he bluffs. Like he doesn't format shove. His aggression is like very front sided and flop and like, you know, a certain spots like that. And yeah, I mean, I think that was like one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made in the main and sure enough, he just had aces and I was just dead. Yeah.

是的。是的。我的意思是，我在整个比赛中都在积累筹码。我做了一些C位的举动，你知道，偶尔会双倍下注，偶尔会做出虚张声势。我确实有一些像，你知道，四倍地幌子，但我没有每年在主赛事中深入走得很远。就像我似乎每天都能获得120个大盲注一样。你知道，那不是我做事的方式。我也被卷入了战争中。你知道，他并不是这样子在吓唬人的。他并不会忽然全推。他的攻击性在翻牌前就很明显，你知道，在某些状况下就是这样。是的，我觉得那可能是我在主赛中犯的最大错误之一，果不其然，他确实有A，而我只有重出局。是的。

Would you have caught if you know that he jams three dues and you basically 60 70 30 for your tournament live or 65 35 whatever else you've also received it? I mean, with seven and a half million, the future stack equity at 30 K big blind is like probably high enough to like take a 70 30 there. Yeah. But I don't know. Like it's hard to say. I mean, this is an interesting conversation with the conversation that comes up every year that if someone opens jumps the first hand, you have 300 big blinds with aces and the big blind, would you call or not? Yeah, that's like a common topic. Yeah, probably it's aces. Yeah.

如果你知道他下注三张二，而你基本上就是赌局存活的60 70 30或者65 35的话，你会不会下注呢？我的意思是，拥有七百五十万筹码，未来以30K的大盲注作为赌局资产，可能在这种情况下做一个70 30的决定是足够明智的。但我不确定，很难说。我的意思是，这是一个有趣的话题，每年都会讨论的话题，如果有人在第一手牌开跟下注，而你手里有300个大盲注的红桃A，你会跟注吗？是的，这是一个常见的话题。可能是红桃A。

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what you want to wait for. I mean, at some point you have to risk your you cannot just wait for the 100% 0% equity spots on the river to put in your tournament live. But I think with aces, I snap it off every day, every time. Yeah. Like in that tournament, as a lot of people, yeah, they should call it off as me. I genuinely think that I have probably one of the top five are lives in the world in that tournament. And so I should be avoiding all in risk preflops spots. But with aces is still probably not one of the ones that you should be holding. Like I would say there is noticing a player that where you would just be able to justify because the thing is, yes, edge is very, very important, but it's not guaranteed you're going to realize that edge in this very tournament. Like if you could guarantee you realize that edge every single time because you still rely on luck to have those spots appear where you can realize your edge. So I think at some point we hit a certain scene.

我的意思是，我不知道。我不知道你想等什么。我的意思是，到了某个时候，你必须冒一些风险，不能只是等着在河牌上出现100%、0%的股权机会才下注。但是我认为，拿着两对A，我每天都要all in。就像在那场比赛中，很多人，他们应该像我一样all in。我真心觉得在那场比赛中，我可能是世界上前五名生存者之一。所以我应该避免所有的all in前翻牌局面。但是拿着两对A可能还不是你应该放弃的牌之一。我想说的是，有些局面没有什么可以让你放弃的玩家。因为是这样的，是的，优势非常重要，但不能保证你在这个比赛中就能实现这种优势。如果你可以保证每次都能实现这种优势，因为你仍然依靠运气来产生能让你实现优势的局面。所以我认为到了某个时候，我们会达到某种共识。

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the pick up hands. Yeah. I miss like there's a lot of like things that can happen. I mean, for you or for someone like you or me or good players in general who understand the concept of exploitative poker, it's yours and you don't necessarily need to pick up the car. You need to pick up the spots, right? If you play against someone that you know how to exploit them, you not always need cards for that or these like very good cards, like decent cards and off student A's or student King, you know, to get a lot of light and frisky in certain spots or he does the job.

是的。是的。我的意思是，抓取机会。是的。我想象中会发生很多事情。我的意思是，对于像您或者像我这样的玩家或者懂得利用型扑克概念的优秀玩家来说，这是您的事情，您不一定需要抓住底牌。您需要抓住机会，对吧？如果您与一个您知道如何利用他们的对手对战，您不一定总是需要牌，或者这些非常好的牌，比如 decent 的牌和一对 A 或者一对 K，您就可以在某些局面中轻松愉快地玩耍或者完成工作。

I saw her head like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What was it three, it was all from the big blind or? I'm going to find a two in the time I got 16th. I actually threw that eight do eight doo soft from the small block. Oh, it's eight doo. Sometimes they had to. Yeah. And both times they had the stone bottom and both times they like snap folded and I was just like, yeah, just tell me what people tell me. Laughs. I'm real. I just like laugh at him. One of the strong ones. I don't just randomly think about the eight. Use and run into like aces like when I do it, I've been playing with these guys for three days and I know that they're at the bottom or like King eight suited for that. I'm like, I don't for that shove King eight suited in the main event unless I'm.

我看到她像在等待，等待，等待，等待。这是三个吗，都是从大盲注出牌吗？我想找到一个2，我拿到了第16名。我实际上从小盲注处抛弃了8杆。哦，是8杆。有时候他们必须这么做。是的。两次他们都拥有最差的底牌，而且两次他们都很快地放弃了，我只是像，是的，告诉我别人告诉我的那样笑了。我真的只是笑他们。我是那种强者之一，不会随意想着8。使用8然后碰到像A一样的牌。因为我和这些家伙一起打了三天牌，我知道他们最差的牌可能是像K8 suited这样的。我不会为了那种底牌在主赛事中推手。

Frickin shirt. Yeah. You know, like you play with these people for days and days and you actually get a chance to develop reads and it's really fun. You know, like a tournament like that is. The yearly opportunity. Like it's just one of the coolest opportunities that we have. You know, it's the softest thing you run deep and like you said, the opportunities that you get in that tournament to accumulate chips or just second to none. Yeah. You would just talk about life poker tights and you don't want to share it. Don't share it. I would totally respect that. But if you want to share some, what would be for you the biggest life tights or the most reliable life tights? Yeah, I can give some tidbits for sure. But ironically, about 13 months ago, I created a live poker product like live sales product. I have like a chip leader coaching table here.

这场T恤真的太棒了。是的。你知道，像这些人一起玩了好几天，你实际上有机会去发展读牌的能力，真的很有趣。就像那样的比赛。那年一度的机会。就是我们拥有的最酷的机会之一。你知道，当你深入比赛，能够在那场比赛中累积筹码的机会真的是无与伦比的。是的。如果你只想讨论生活和扑克的紧身衣，而你不想分享，那就不要分享。我会完全尊重你。但如果你想分享一些，对你来说最重要的生活紧身衣或者最可靠的生活紧身衣是什么呢？是的，我肯定可以给一些提示。但具有讽刺意味的是，大约13个月前，我创建了一个生活扑克产品，就像这里有一个筹码领先者的教练桌一样。

I had a production like team home and record it. Yeah. Highest quality product I've ever made. Probably the most valuable product I've ever made and I chose not to release it. And then I had my. I just didn't feel like I wanted to release it right then before the World Series. I thought it was more valuable for me to use the tells on the high rollers and, you know, I had seven final tables last summer. And so I was happy with my decision. I do think I'm going to release it in the fall. You know, it's just first it's it's very. I love the money and then release the secrets.

我有一个类似团队的制作和记录过程。是的，这次是我制作过的最高质量的产品。可能是我制作过的最有价值的产品，但我选择不发布它。然后我有我的考虑。我就是觉得不想在世界系列赛之前发布它。我觉得对我来说更有价值的是利用这些信息来应对高级赌徒，你知道的，去年夏天我进入了七次决赛桌。所以我对我的决定感到满意。我确实打算在秋季发布它。你知道，首先是钱，然后才是释放这些机密。

Yeah. I love the money and then release the secrets. Yeah. But. Live tells. Okay. So. People send me stuff and they just say like, Hey, so this guy did this. And I don't know if I should like call is this week or strong and I'm like, that's not how it works. Right. So this illusion of of live tells is like I have this, this knowledge of them. No, get it wrong. I do have knowledge and there are things that I can just sit down at a table and say like, this probably week, this is probably strong, et cetera. But that's just not really how live tells work.

是的。我喜欢钱，然后透露秘密。是的。但是。生活告诉。好的。所以。人们会给我发东西，他们只是说，嘿，这个家伙这样做了。我不知道我应该像这周打个电话还是要强硬，我就像，事情不是这样运作的。对吗。生活告诉的这种错觉就像是我对它们有知识。不，误解了。我确实有知识，我可以坐下来说，这可能是弱势的，这可能强硬，等等。但实际上生活告诉并不是这样工作的。

You know, when I play poker, I am the most focused one. I am folding under the gun and then I'm paying attention to every single thing that happens. How people bet, how they look at their cards, how they check like all of these different little things. And I'm keeping track of the information and saying, okay, like when he did this, he was weak. And, Oh, when he did this, he was strong and you get more confirmations of weak and strong. And eventually you are able to start making conclusions based on your action. So like the equivalent, I would say is like online poker. There's times when you have a HUD on someone and they've only played like 30 or 40 hands and they haven't played a hand yet. Well, it's like, yeah, it's only 30 hands, but like we still still probably tight, right? And so like you get to make these conclusions that like, yes, I don't have certainty, but it still increases the frequency that you get to be correct.

你知道吗，当我玩扑克牌时，我是最专注的一个人。我会在压力下放弃，然后我会注意每一件事情。人们如何下注，他们看牌的表情，他们如何检查，所有这些不同的小事情。我会记录信息，然后判断，当他这样做时，他是弱势的。噢，当他这样做时，他是强势的，你得到更多的对弱与强的确认。最终，你能够开始根据自己的行动得出结论。所以相当于在线扑克。有时候你对某人有一个HUD，他们只玩了30或40手，但他们还没有进过一手。嗯，虽然只有30手，但他们还是可能比较保守。所以你得出这样的结论，是的，我没有十足的把握，但这仍然增加了你正确的频率。

So I played with like a few orbits with this, this online killer in the 250 K last year and he opens MP and I'm in the small blind and I'm like, all right, this guy is not at the top. And I threw that nine 10 off from the small blind and it comes like nine five six rainbow check that call turn seven or eight check that call River shut down when. And he like couldn't believe that I threw that the nine 10 like it's just obviously not a hand that would be in the solver, but it's like, think about the range that you could read that profitably if you know your opponent doesn't have the top four percent of hands.

所以我和一个去年在250K大赛中玩了几轮，他是一个网上杀手，他在中位开牌，而我在小盲位置，我想，好吧，这家伙不是顶级选手。于是我从小盲处扔掉了9 10，然后就是九五六的彩虹牌，看了一下，跟注了，转牌是7或8，再看了一下，再跟注河牌就关闭了。他简直不敢相信我扔了那个9 10，显然这不是一个solver中会出现的手牌，但是，如果你知道你的对手不是手牌最好的四个百分比之一，那么考虑一下你可以有利可图地读取的对手手牌范围。

So now they're opening 24% of hands and you get to take out this top four and okay, well, say I'm only 80% right or 70% right. We still need to take out the top three percent. You still get to wait that. And so it still becomes like incredibly valuable. And so yeah, I'm not right every time. And sometimes I look really stupid. And sometimes like, I look really smart. And but like that's kind of the beauty of live tells is like being able to discount or wait. People being stronger week won't really allow you to do some extremely fun stuff even at anybody level. Yeah. I mean, this is what most people don't understand how sensitive GTO or also ICM is. If you just reduce a certain strategy by one, two, three, four percent or make it more aggressive. Your entire range from like, let's say, bluff catching only 30% of the time turns into bluff catching 100% of the time or it turns into falling 30% of the time into falling 100% of the time. And same for three bets.

现在他们开牌的概率是24%，你可以排除其中的前四名，好吧，假设我只有80%的概率是正确的，或者只有70%的概率是正确的。我们仍然需要排除前三百分之一的顶尖手牌。你仍然需要等待这个。因此，它仍然变得非常有价值。是的，我并不是每次都正确。有时候我看起来很蠢。有时候我看起来很聪明。但这就是现场表情的美妙之处，能够削弱或者加重别人的手牌强度，这可以让你即使在任何水平都能做一些非常有趣的事情。是的，我是指大多数人不理解GTO或ICM有多么敏感。如果你只是将某种策略减少一、两、三、四百分比，或者使它更加激进，你的整个手牌范围，比如说，只有30%的时间进行盲注摊牌，就变成了100%的时间进行盲注摊牌，或者变成了30%的时间进行加注，变成了100%的时间进行加注。同样适用于三。。。顶。

If someone let's say the GTO defense frequency would be 50% if he falls 60% you can throw that kingles off. It doesn't really matter. It's not like, oh, you need to have a solid read that he forwards 50% of the time. No, when you're very certain that it's just like, he's not having those top hands, which are three, four percent of his range. You go absolutely bananas. And if you actually don't do it, you don't understand poker. Or you don't understand how poker works at the real time. And that's something that, yeah, and early in my career, like, yeah, I studied live tells. I did a lot of different things. I watched the gender viral series. They read the Mike Carroll book. I watched this show called My To Me that had like a micro expressions expert. I just found fascinating. I liked the show. So I was like really big into live tells early on, you know, watching that. Felivi checkers on like Jack Jack X, where he's six bed shelves.

如果有人假设GTO防御频率为50%，但他实际上只有60%，你可以抛开那些计算。这并不重要。不需要确切地知道他会前出50%的时间。当你非常确定他不持有那些顶级牌时，你就可以采取极端的策略。如果你不这样做，你就不了解扑克。或者你不懂得实时扑克如何运作。那是我职业生涯早期的一件事情，我学习了现场tell。我做了很多不同的事情。我看了詹姆斯邦德系列。读了迈克·卡罗尔的书。我看了一个叫做MytoMe的节目，有一个微表情专家。我觉得这很迷人。我喜欢这个节目。所以早期我非常关注现场的tell，观察费利维在类似J J X的局面上的行为，当他六注推的时候。

Yeah. I was in a big heavy. And so early in my career, like, I actually just got the stats of my W. S. O. P.s. lifetime. But early in my career, I haven't assisted through them or I would share the numbers. But I didn't have incredible success in the world series. Like, I was looking for live tells excuses to make mistakes. And I would call. I would see the guys cards. I would lose. And I would think about it and I'd be like, Oh, like, I should have known he was strong because of this. And like, I should have known he was strong from a poker theoretical perspective too.

是的。我曾经在一个很大的困境中。在我职业生涯的早期，我实际上只是拿到了我终身W.S.O.P.数据。但在我职业生涯的早期，我还没有很好地利用这些数据，否则我会分享这些数字的。但在世界系列赛中，我并没有取得令人难以置信的成功。我寻找现场的线索来找借口犯错误。我会跟注，我会看到对手的牌，然后我就会输掉比赛。然后我会想到，哦，我本应该知道他很强势，因为这个原因。而且从扑克理论的角度来看，我也应该知道他是一个强手。

But I was so hung up on the live tells at the time. And I learned a lot. And I paid a lot to learn these things. And, you know, now I have a much, much better self control and my ability to like put the poker theory first and then use the exploits to go from there. And yeah, man, it's it's really fun. Like the stuff you can do with live tells is just. Second to none. I think. Yeah, I can. I mean, I, it's even online. Like the my thing every single time on stream, I make calls or for just be based on timing tags. Exactly. It's absolutely. And certainly.

但是当时我太在意现场的线索了。我学到了很多东西。我为了学习这些东西付出了很多代价。你知道，现在我有了更好的自控能力，我会先把扑克理论放在第一位，然后利用弱点来进一步做出决策。是的，伙计，这真的很有趣。利用现场线索可以做很多事情。我觉得无人能及。是的，我可以。我是说，甚至在线上也一样。我的每次直播都是基于时间标签作出决定，绝对是有效的。确实如此。

I mean, those online are incredible. Like people snap up in the bottom and. Tank open the top. You know, there's like a lot of different things where if you're paying attention and taking notes. But yeah, well, you get tricked sometimes. Maybe the guys are aware that he's been doing that and it doesn't always work. It's the same in live poker. But where like it still weights it towards being correct. So it's it's really fun. And I have always used quote unquote live tells on online as well. Yeah, because online, most people feel more protected.

我是说，网上的那些人简直令人难以置信。就像有人在底部崩溃，有人打开顶部。你知道的，有很多不同的事情要注意和记笔记。但是，有时候你会被骗。也许那些家伙意识到自己一直在那样做，并非总是有效。在实况扑克中也是一样。但在那种情况下，权力仍然偏向于正确。所以这很有趣。我也一直在网上运用所谓的“实况信息”。是的，因为在网上，大多数人感觉更受保护。

So they pay less attention to tests because they think, Oh, I'm unreadable. So the details you pick if you pick out a lot more reliable. One very strong one for me for online is when you have boards where you have very little check raises and there's a draw. And you know that like also against the player type that is typically not that aggressive. So like weak regulars or also recreations in general that are not known to black phrase draws on the turn. So if they tank call on the chair and you can almost reduce all of the strong draws they have.

因此，他们对测试不太关注，因为他们认为，“哦，我看不懂。”所以，如果你挑选更多可靠的细节，这就显得更加重要。我在线上时最喜欢的一种情况是，当你的对手很少进行加注，但有一个吸引人的牌型。你知道这种情况也适用于那些通常不那么进攻性的牌手。所以像弱势常客或者一般情况下不会在转牌时激进的玩家。如果他们在转牌时慢慢地跟注，你几乎可以排除他们有强劲牌的可能性。

And now if the draw gets there and I'm sitting there with two pair or set and disorder actually wants you to check back just because he has so many draws. But knowing that he wouldn't tank so long to call with a good draw on the turn. I was able to put in so many value bets because it was more likely that he wasn't sure if he should raise his top here hand or maybe bottom to pair and also there's some money on stake. But then they have a hard time falling on the river because they're so attached to the hand. Right.

现在如果牌桌上出现了这种情况，我手中有两对或者三条，对手可能希望你退后一步，因为他有很多牌可以接。但我知道他不会花太长时间来用一个好的牌去call。我能够下很多价值下注，因为更可能的是他不确定是否该加注他的两对牌或底对牌，而且赌局中有一些钱在压力下。但是当他们水里很难掉头因为他们对这手牌有留恋。对。

That's the biggest leak and trade off recreational. And I think that's probably in terms of Terrence that made me the more like for sure hundreds of thousands of years and deep in the chairman where I know just based on the timing Terrence. I put in another 25 big blinds and if you translated it to equity in these buy-ins it's it's a lot of money. Yeah. And that's why I really like to pay attention to those even good wrecks.

这是最大的泄漏和娱乐中的权衡。我认为可能是在关于特伦斯方面，这让我更像是确实有成千上万年的经验和在主席深处我知道基于时间特伦斯。我又投入了25个大盲注，如果按照这些买入的股权来计算，这是一大笔钱。是的。这就是为什么我真的很喜欢关注那些甚至是好的废水。

I actually a couple of weeks ago I had also very good known online wreck messaging me telling me about a league I had in my game which I greatly appreciate. I'm not going to say the name about a timing tell I had. But when you play 2025 tables and you stream like you do I have a lot of leaks. It's normal. Right. Yeah. So and I can I saw for myself like wow I would actually consider myself I pay attention to it. And that gave me more confidence to pay even more attention to it because I know a lot of people out there that I'm playing against pay even less attention to it and I can even exploit it better.

几周前，我收到一个我在网上认识的朋友发来的消息，告诉我一些我在游戏中的一些问题，我非常感激。虽然我不会说具体是关于时间的问题，但是当你玩2025场桌球并像你那样直播的时候，我有很多漏洞。这是正常的。对吧。所以我自己也看到了哇我竟然没注意到。这给了我更大的信心，更加认真地去关注它，因为我知道很多我在对战中的对手对此更不关注，我可以更好地利用这点。

Yeah absolutely. I mean it's like you don't have the results you have online by playing purely GTO. Yeah yeah of course. You, Darwin, had like the other elites that are online like they don't. I think like really GTO style. Like none of us plays even close to GTO because this is an argument I see but Ben a GTO board would completely destroy entities. Yes you're right.

是的，完全正确。我的意思是，你不可能仅靠纯粹的GTO玩法在网上取得好的结果。是的，当然。你，达尔文，还有其他在线顶尖玩家，他们不会像我们这样真的玩GTO。我觉得像GTO风格真的很难。像我们中的任何人都不会玩得像GTO因为这是一个我看到的争论，但一个GTO棋盘会完全摧毁实体。是的，你说得对。

But even those who put in a lot of time like when you take a scale from zero to 100 and 100 is absolute perfect GTO. We are probably not even at 10% even 5%. It's impossible. If you look into some of these final table ICM sims post-flop mighty way. It's so bad the way we play according to theory that you cannot even get or probably over 10%. We have a bit of understanding with pre-flop and like seabed in and which boards to seabed wide and which turns which turn to bear aggressively.

但即使是那些投入了很多时间的人，就像你把一个从零到100的尺度，100代表完美的GTO。我们可能甚至还没有达到10%甚至5%。这是不可能的。如果你看一些这些决赛桌后翻牌ICM计算的方式。我们按照理论来打牌的方式是如此糟糕，以至于你甚至无法获得或很可能超过10%的胜率。我们对前翻牌有一些理解，比如在哪里下注，以及在哪些板块下注宽松，以及哪些转牌需要积极下注。

But our frequencies are all over the fucking place and the amount of different sizes you're so opposed to apply just trying to come with this argument that a GTO board would destroy. Chairman poker just shows you that you don't understand GTO. Yeah the dynamics change so much constantly. Yeah. I always find it funny like while we're bashing GTO stuff so in our chip leader platform we have like 4000 hands. And Fox and I actually grabbed the hands from our database inserted them into this brain where you have to like learn different things in order in order to unlock like the future aspects of it. It's like you have to learn opening before you learn calling and open before you learn squeezing before you learn facing squeezes you know etc.

但我们的频率都混乱得要命，你反对使用多个不同尺寸的数量，只是试图提出这个说法，说GTO牌型会被摧毁。主席扑克只是向你展示你不理解GTO。是的，动态不断变化。是的。我总是觉得有趣的是当我们抨击GTO的东西时，在我们的筹码领先平台上有大约4000手。福克斯和我实际上从我们的数据库中提取了这些手，将它们插入到这个大脑中，你必须学会不同的事情，以便解锁将来的方面。就像你必须在学会跟注之前学会开牌，在学会夹击之前学会开牌，然后再学会面对夹击，你懂的。

And people like sent me this hand like one of our students and they're like this doesn't say what GTO wizard says. And I'm like well GTO wizard's playing against like a bot right? I'm telling you I'm telling you when someone like see that's here. This is not a continuum. Yeah and it's like GTO is assuming that like at a position checks 55% on this board because it's heavy on the imposition player. And it has a balance checking range and I'm telling you that people don't have a balance checking range on 985 to tone. I was like when you're playing against opponents and they check here. They have like the weaker portion of the range and when they bet here they have the stronger portion so we can exploitably fold here.

人们发给我这手牌，就像我们的学生之一，他们说这不符合GTO向导的说法。我说，GTO向导是在与一个机器人对战，对吧？我告诉你们，当有人看到这种情况时，这并不是一个连续的过程。 是的，GTO假设在这个局面上检查55%的手牌因为这对位玩家有优势。它具有平衡的检查范围，我告诉你，人们在985面板上没有平衡的检查范围。 我说，当你与对手对战时，他们在这里检查时有较弱的手牌，当他们在这里下注时有较强的手牌，所以我们可以选择性地弃牌。

And it's like no GTO wizard and all of these just pure solver outputs is one of the reasons poker is still fucking like still so fucking soft. Yeah because like people don't learn to think they're literally just like they don't want to learn how to think and I don't know if it's like they're sealing his intelligence or if it's just laziness. But like when they are only trying to memorize these outputs man it's making people worse and I love it. I 100% agree and I was actually about to make a tweet today but I haven't had the time that I think we are. Maybe from the past 10-15 years I would say best times of poker. It's online. It's gotten insanely soft live poker. The schedules are insane. The guarantees are insane. If you look at it because I had a day to yesterday and I looked at the schedule on GG. You have 300k guarantee, 500k guarantee. Even 10-15 years ago when we were playing and was considered to be good times we wouldn't have those. You had like maybe this $200 Sunday million was the biggest one. Yeah it's freaking insane. And also the sites even ACR has a decent schedule and there's some other sites and poker star still has a good schedule. It's mind blowing to me that people say poker has gotten so tough and it's unbeatable and poker is dead. Honestly people say that since the beat.

这就像没有GTO专家，所有这些都是纯粹的解决方案输出，这就是为什么扑克仍然很软的原因。是的，因为人们不学会思考，他们真的不想学习如何去思考，我不知道是不是智力闭塞还是懒惰。但当他们只试图记住这些输出时，这让人们变得更糟糕，我喜欢这样。我完全同意，我实际上正准备发一条推文，但我还没有时间，我认为我们可能是从过去的10-15年里说是扑克的最好时期。在线扑克已经变得异常软弱了。现场扑克的日程安排也异常疯狂，保证金也异常疯狂。我昨天看了GG的日程，有30万美元的保证金，50万美元的保证金。即使是在10-15年前，当我们正在比赛时，被认为是好时光，我们也没有这样的保证金。最大的可能只是200美元的周日百万大奖赛。是啊，真是疯了。而且即使是ACR也有一个不错的日程安排，还有一些其他网站和扑克之星依然有一个不错的日程安排。人们说扑克变得如此艰难，无法战胜，扑克已死，这实在令人震惊，从一开始就有人这样说。

When I started playing poker 2009, poker is dead. Every single year poker is dead. I don't know a single year where people wouldn't say poker is dead. It was like alright. Yeah okay sure. A lot of that is the variance of say you play live and you just get a really tough table drop for a week in a row. And it's like man this is fucking brutal. How good is everybody? Then you have another week where you're playing with all fish and bad rigs. I really like what something you said earlier in our conversation a couple of minutes ago. You said that you learn from your mistake and I think. or you paid. You paid to learn. And I think that's also something that a lot of people need to understand. A lot of poker players that actually try to make money, they pay but they play poker and then they pay to gamble.

当我在2009年开始玩扑克时，人们都说扑克已经死了。每一年都有人说扑克已经死了。我不知道有哪一年是没有人说扑克死了。就像是，好吧。好的。很多时候是因为你在现场打牌，然后连续一周碰到一个非常困难的桌子。然后你会觉得，哇，这太困难了。每个人都这么厉害吗？然后你会有另外一个周，你和一群菜鸟和不怎么厉害的对手打牌。我真的很喜欢我们几分钟前谈话中你说过的一句话。你说你从错误中学习。或者说你花钱学习。我认为这也是很多人需要理解的。很多打算赚钱的扑克玩家，他们支付学费，然后打扑克，最后却变成了赌博。

But actually if you have that mindset of you pay to learn. If you lose you pay to learn. And even if you had a bad session what can you learn? What could you have done better? And I see this pattern over and over again when I talk to very successful people. They have this mindset I don't really care about the outcome. Alright I want money today or I can learn something today. And you did the same apparently with life tips to a level where you would say that you even recorded a course on life. I would never dare to do that because I don't have the experience. I could probably do one for online life tips but it would be a lot smaller. But not for life poker. So I think this is where people really need to start understanding.

但实际上，如果你拥有的是“付费学习”这样的心态。如果你输了，就付费学习。即使你经历了糟糕的一场，你能学到什么？你能做得更好吗？我与非常成功的人交谈时一再看到这种模式。他们有这种心态，我并不真的在乎结果。好吧，今天我想要钱，或者我可以今天学到东西。而显然你在生活技巧方面也是这样，你甚至录制了一门有关生活的课程。我从来不敢这样做，因为我没有经验。我可能可以做一个关于在线生活技巧的课程，但是规模会小得多。但是关于生活扑克就另当别论。所以我认为这是人们真正需要开始理解的地方。

Alright it's not about just making money about learning from your mistakes. But what do you try to tell your community or if you have private coaching to help them change their mindset from being so results orientated. Which is a big thing in poker right? Like the biggest thing I would say. I remember during COVID I was grinding online like GG and party and stuff. But I remember specifically on party going on like 100k downswing or something which isn't like very big. And I was so focused on like A's king against 5's. Flop ace, river 5 losing a flip right losing a flip on the river and I was so focused on that. And then when I actually went back and reviewed the session which not enough people do. Yeah you can review and see that I lost a lot of coin flips I ran below expectation. But when I was looking at spots where I defended the big blind and then it went check check on the flop. I was missing like all of these like turn leads. I was check calling too wide facing a double barrel and I was making all of these like multiple big blind mistakes.

好吧，这不仅仅是赚钱，而是从错误中学习。但你尝试告诉你的社区或私人教练如何改变他们的心态，不要太注重结果。在扑克中这是一件大事，对吧？我觉得这是最重要的事情。我记得在COVID期间，我在线玩像如GG和party之类的。但我还记得在party上像是100k的下跌，这并不算太大。我太过于关注像A的国王对5的国王这种翻牌A，河牌5的输掉的情况。当我回顾这个对局时，我注意到我失去了很多flip，跑得比预期还差。但当我看到我在大盲位防守之后，翻牌时双方都选择了过牌。我错过了很多转牌的机会。我对双倍下注回答过于宽松，犯了很多多大盲位的错误。

And then of course yeah then someone opens and I jam 13 big blinds and get called by 5's. Well I should have had 18 big blinds and he would have folded right? Yeah and so there's like so many situations especially in tournaments where like everything compounds. And so yeah when you are running bad I would say that everyone focuses on the fact that they ran bad instead of focusing on the fact that maybe they're playing too many tables. Maybe they're missing a lot of Cb spots or they're continuing to widen certain other spots. And you know it's like I don't get mad when it rains outside. So you got to focus on what you can control. And in poker you know you can't control the all-in. That's just the fun part right? Let's see do I win? That's like the enjoyable aspect for us to generate. And so I would say just like focus on what you can control. You know focus on where are you leaking money? Where are you not accumulating as much as you should be? I remember looking through my head one day like. I was winning from the cut-off. I checked and I was like. The fuck? Like clearly how leaked on the bike I should be making. And I figured it out that like I was through that frequent sun was like two and I was getting either continued or forbade against my open frequency was two on the button which substacks behind and I was getting ripped on too often.

然后当然嘛，然后有人开牌，我押了13大盲注，被5的叫了。嗯，我本来应该有18大盲注的，他就会放弃了对吧？是的，所以在比赛中有很多情况会累积起来。所以是的，当你运气不好的时候，我觉得每个人都会把注意力放在他们运气不好的事实上，而不是关注于可能他们玩的桌数太多了。也许他们错过了很多的Cb机会，他们继续扩大了某些其他的机会。你知道，我不会因为外面下雨而生气。所以你必须关注你能控制的事情。在扑克中，你知道你控制不了all-in的结果。那只是有趣的部分对吧？让我们看看我赢了吗？这对我们来说是一个令人愉快的方面。所以我会说，要专注于你能控制的东西。关注你在哪里流失了钱？你没有积累到应该得到的那么多。我记得有一天我在脑海中回想过。我在庄位赢了，我检查了一下，我就感觉像。清楚我应该在小盲位上应该赚更多。我发现我频繁出手的位置受到了攻击，我发现我在按键的频率受到了阻碍，我被对手反抗得太频繁了。

And so like just like focusing on those like little aspects of what should my stats look like? Where am I leaking? Like I didn't want to go along with a student who was just getting destroyed in a spot and I looked at his EP Fold to 3 bet and it was like 20% and I'm like. Probably and then he was just like calling shoves way too wide against like you know opening with like Jack's head suited and calling 15 big bunch of and when you really like figure out where your leaks are and focus on the things you can control. Then you can't just blame it on running bad. Like people choose to blame it on you know losing all ends instead of choosing to focus on the things they can control. Yeah. This I mean I see it in our discord is one that people typically analyze their bust out hands but you shouldn't I mean of course analyzing a bust out hands should be part of your studying routine but it doesn't has to be a priority. It starts with the very first hand you might lose already five big blinds there. You might lose big blinds or you could have won more big blinds with like most of the times for me when I go over hands from my own or students is they skip clear value bets with hands. Like so often so like the most typical spot what people don't understand is you 3 bet ace king it checked to the river is like a 7 high board 8 high board you can always value bet against ace queen ace Jack's like 90% of the time it's a screen is Jack. Like yeah and just the sun.

因此，就像专注于那些小细节，我的统计数据应该是什么样的？我哪里泄漏了？我不想跟一个在某个位置被摧毁的学生一起参加比赛，我看了他的EP Fold to 3 bet，大约是20%，我说“可能”，然后他就开始向太宽的位置喊注了，比如用J头花色牌开局，然后又跟15大注一把，当你真正找出自己的泄漏点并专注于你能控制的事情时，你就不能一味归咎于运气不好了。人们选择归咎于输掉了所有底牌，而不选择专注于他们可以控制的事情。是的。我的意思是，我看到我们的Discord里有人通常会分析他们的出局手牌，但你不应该，我是说当然，分析出局手牌应该是你学习的一部分，但它不必是首要任务。它从你可能就失去了五大盲注的第一手开始。你可能会输掉大盲注，或者你本应该赢得更多大盲注，就像大多数情况下我回顾自己或学生的手牌时，他们总是错过带牌的价值注。就像最典型的情况是你3 bet了Ace King，到了河牌是7个高牌板或8个高牌板，你总是可以像Ace Queen或Ace Jack一样价值注，百分之九十的情况是可以的，就像是一个很简单的情节。

And then if you put it in a solver and they're like no it's supposed to be check what dummy they start betting everything on the churn to also the freeze play you know it's like I don't want to face a tough river decision. So even if it's pocket do's is you know and it's in it's very natural I do it myself like he 3 bets me I call it high board alright turn another low card alright I can bet every made hand. So now and that's what a lot of people do and if you would adjust the solver where 90% of the time who would be betting everything on the churn now on the river he always has ace queen ace Jack and you will be surprised the amount of hero cards you get because people are curious.

然后，如果你把它放在一个解算器中，他们会说不，应该是检查一下什么傀儡他们开始把一切都押在河牌上，也是冻结打法，你知道，就像是我不想面对一个艰难的河牌决定。即使是对二，你也知道，这是很自然的，我自己也这样做，就像他三次加注，我跟注，高牌板，再出一张低牌，好吧，我可以押每个有牌子的手。现在很多人都这么做，如果你调整解算器，在河牌上90%的时间里他们会押所有的东西，现在在河牌上他总是有A Q、A J，你会对你获得的英雄牌数感到惊讶，因为人们好奇。

And it's just so easy to miss these spots right especially when you deepen the tournament just put in those 7 big blinds they want to have a look because they think they're trouble. Yeah they love paying to see your hands. It's like the funniest thing about poker is you know it's a spot where like you said. I open six is get three bet I call come short I call a small bet. Runs out bricks and it's just a spot where sixes are just always good and yeah in theory I can't bet three quarters right but like you can throw a couple big blinds out there.

这些地方很容易被错过，尤其是当你深入比赛时，只要投入那七大盲注，他们想要看看，因为他们觉得有麻烦了。是的，他们喜欢付钱来看你的牌。像你说的，扑克最有趣的一点就是，你知道这是个机会。我开六手牌，遭到三注，我跟注，后面还有一轮短注我跟注了。最后没牌了，这就是一个六手牌总是好的场面，理论上我不能下大注，但可以投出几个大盲注。

You know you can like have these small bets that are actually betting two big blinds into 20 on the river when they call half the time with worse and you're always good you're still making a big blind. Yeah you know like there's so many spots that I think people you know there are a lot of like spots where you can value that then lead for larger sizing. But I think that just in general people are very showdown happy and their goal is like okay like instead of thinking about the hand they're often just like so excited to get to showdown.

你知道，你可以在河牌时下这些小注，实际上是把两大盲注下注到20大盲注，因为他们一半时间会跟注，而且你总是赢，你还是能赚一大盲注。是的，你知道，有很多情况，我认为人们往往会在很多情况下低估牌值，然后以更大的尺寸领先下注。但我认为一般来说人们很容易被秀牌所吸引，他们的目标就是：“好，不去思考这手牌，他们通常都是迫不及待地想要展示手牌。”

And I think that is definitely a big league people have. Yeah it's I don't know when I watched. I think it's only a couple years ago but was also coaching video from someone who said. We never want to bet less than half pot on the river in position because otherwise we reopen the action I'm like. Oh my god. I can't see thousands of dollars I'm up in like it's P.O.L.L. cash but like just mid betting the river. I'm up probably $50,000 mid betting the river over the course of like a 10 year period. You can even just order a third you know when the pot is 30 big blinds and you bet 10 big blinds. Yeah but I wasn't thinking back then I was just like this guy can't call I am the best hand how do I get value and I would just mean that all of these rivers over and over and over and now it's a little more sophisticated don't get me wrong. But I've always been looking for those like small river value that's and I think that that you know the I think people are afraid to get raised.

我认为这绝对是一个有点大联盟的人们。是的，我不知道我是什么时候看的。我认为可能只是几年前，但是也是从某人的教练视频中听到的。我们从不想在位置上在河牌下注少于半个底池，因为否则我们重新开牌了，我就像。天哪，我不能看到上千美元像是P.O.L.L.现金，但只是在河牌下注中途，我可能在十年内获利5万美元。你甚至可以只下注三分之一，你知道当底池是30大盲的时候，你下注10大盲。是的，但那时我没有想那么多，我只是想这家伙肯定不会跟注，我有最好的牌，怎么样才能获利，然后我会一次又一次地这样下注河牌，现在我变得更加老练一点，不要误会我。但我一直在寻找那些微小的河牌价值，我认为人们害怕被加注。

Yeah it's just 100% it's that yeah. That's the other thing is like think about like the instant street as I call it it's like we bet the river they fold we bet the river they call we bet the river we get raised like they're getting raised is such a sliver. And it's the same reason people don't want to like three that age jack button verse cut off is because they're afraid of getting for that right so they're afraid of this like very uncommon instance when it's like three betting age jack button verse cut off it's like what they can call it worse. They can fold equity so like all of these things are combined and if you really just think about like the overall instant street of how you get value and like how your hand wants to play itself. Like don't get hung up on that sliver of the comment. Yeah no 100% and I also do understand where it comes from and I see it left and right.

是的，就是百分之百，就是这样。另一件事就像是我所说的那样，想想那种即刻的街头，就像我们下注河牌他们弃牌，我们下注河牌他们跟注，我们下注河牌他们加注，就像他们加注的可能性非常小。这也是人们不想像三个赌注那样对接近抢位的玩家下赌注，因为他们害怕会被反抢，所以他们害怕这种非常罕见的情况，像三个赌注对接近抢位的玩家，就是他们可以跟下更弱的牌。他们可以利用折扣率，所以所有这些事情都结合在一起，如果你真的想一想如何获得价值和你的手牌想要如何打出自己。不要过于纠结于那个很小的可能性。是的，就是百分之百，我也明白它的出处，我看到它左右。

Of you have another GTO coach coming to the surface and trying to teach poker but they just don't have the results and it's listen. This is a development we will go through you see it in the fitness industry you see the business industry you see it in crypto you see it everywhere right when the. Tech gets more sophisticated people just sit down I take a 10 step course on marketing and now I teach people marketing but you can probably you know it for yourself how fucking difficult it is to run a business. It's not just you take a 10 step course on YouTube and then you can teach people how to make a million dollars with a business finding the right people keeping them. Being disappointed over and over and over again writing good emails copywriting ads everything it's a fucking mess I love it and I'm pretty sure you love it as well otherwise you wouldn't be around.

如果你有另一个GTO教练浮出水面，试图教授扑克，但他们却没有结果，也不被听取。这是一个发展过程，你会在健身行业、商业行业和加密行业看到这种情况，当技术越来越复杂时，人们只是坐下来参加一个10步的营销课程，然后就自称教授营销，但你可能自己知道经营一家企业有多难。你不能只是参加一个YouTube的10步课程，然后教别人如何用商业赚百万美元，找到合适的人、留住他们、一次又一次失望、写好电子邮件、撰写广告，全部都是一团糟。我热爱这一切，我相信你也一样，否则你也不会在这个领域了。

And that's the problem these days and I always tell people listen like first the results right if someone did not go through the same process where you want to go please don't listen to them. And that video made me also realize and I was wondering like it's so sad because I think there are a lot of like you like really good coaches out there that have fun that like phenomenal practical advice you know but it's so hard to grind your way through the amount of bullshit to find the people that can actually keep help you understand how the game works and if you would if you go back to that server thing. Yeah of course in theory because a guy is supposed to raise 20 30 40% of the time against your min bet against your one quarter against your one third. But does it happen in reality? No if you would again reduce this by just a couple percent you start min betting the crap out of them or a third or quarter. And it's just something when you're so stuck in your server world you're going to miss so many great opportunities on making so much more money. Yeah I couldn't agree more.

这就是如今的问题，我总是告诉人们首先要听结果，如果有人没有经历过你想去的地方的相同过程，请不要听他们的话。这个视频也让我意识到，我想这很可悲，因为我觉得确实有很多很棒的教练，他们提供了非常实用的建议，但要在一大堆废话中找到真正能帮助你理解游戏运行方式的人真的很难。如果你回到那个服务器的事情。当然在理论上，对手应该有20、30、40%的几率对你的最小下注、四分之一下注或三分之一下注进行加注。但在现实中会发生吗？不，如果你再减少几个百分点，你就会开始频繁地进行最小下注或三分之一或四分之一下注。当你陷在自己的服务器世界中时，你会错过很多赚取更多钱的好机会。是的，我完全同意。

Like you said like from a company perspective like having some of it's been there before like I purchased raise your edge courses. That's great and I can tell that you've like worked on the company aspect as well. Like you know stop fucking email you made please but clearly we increased it. We put it on value every day dude. Clearly you've like worked a lot on the company and you know from my perspective with our company like we had to coaching for profit which is how I found Foxen. I was like I used to doing it. So we had the problem is people would lie about how much they were going to play which hurts our expected value. Some people wouldn't pay which hurts it again. And then also like time isn't scalable right so like how can I really build like a big company on that.

就像你说的，从公司的角度来看，就好像以前已经有些经验，我购买了Raise Your Edge的课程。那太棒了，我能感觉到你也在努力改善公司方面。你知道停止发那种糟糕的邮件吧，但显然我们增加了价值。我们每天都在努力增加价值，伙计。显然你很努力地为公司工作，对于我们公司来说，我们必须进行盈利教练，这就是我找到Foxen的方式。我曾经做过这个。我们的问题是有些人会谎称自己要玩多少，这损害了我们的预期价值。有些人则不会支付，再次损害了价值。而且时间也是无法扩展的，对吧，所以我该怎样真正地建立一个大公司呢。

So a couple years ago we shifted towards a subscription product and stand on products similar to you. And I can honestly say that if it wasn't mine and Foxen's face on it we would have like failed as a company because we didn't like run the company like it was meant to be run. Because like you said it's like a shit ton of work to actually have all the email funnels that adds the social media content like all of the different stuff is a lot of work. And like now that we're actually working on the company I expect you know we're going to get our name out there a lot more and like you know you have we have the like the social proof right. Like you have results I have results you know like when people see that like they should be learning from people like you and I. It's very clear to me.

所以几年前，我们转向了订阅产品并与你们类似的产品。我可以诚实地说，如果不是我和福克森的脸出现在产品上，我们作为一家公司可能会失败，因为我们没有按照应有的方式经营公司。就像你说的那样，要实际运营所有的电子邮件渠道，添加社交媒体内容等等都是很多工作。现在我们正在努力经营公司，我期待着我们会更广泛地为人所知，就像你们一样具有社会认可。你们取得了成果，我也取得了成果，当人们看到这些时，他们应该向像你和我这样的人学习。这一点对我来说非常清楚。

When I make a live sales product so you can make the online with me we'll just. Oh that would be probably a sick product yeah I think that would probably but I also like. I mean I already feel very bad like I listen I'm I'm I'm rethinking this year in terms of my streaming and just record everything off stream put in the course. Because I we can monitor like what are the most like what do people enjoy watching the most watch time. And that's why we made it was great because you can measure the performance of all of the paid content like every single video and people just love the life place. I'm like fucking it's such a. It's like it's like like the thing is I give up so much if you for streaming people say but it's good for your business. No it's terrible it's like the worst.

当我做一个现场销售产品时，你可以和我一起在线制作，我们只是这样。哦，那可能会是一个很棒的产品，是的，我想那可能会是。但我也喜欢。我的意思是，我已经感觉很糟糕了，就像我听到的那样，我正在重新考虑今年我的直播和只记录所有离线内容放在课程中。因为我们可以监控人们最喜欢观看的内容，即观看时间最长的内容。这就是为什么我们很成功，因为我们可以衡量所有付费内容的表现，每一个视频，人们都喜欢现场直播。我就像是他妈的，这太牛逼了。这就是我放弃了很多东西，如果为了流媒体而牺牲。人们会说这对你的事业有好处。不，这真是糟透了，这就像是最糟糕的。

Possible business decision that I stream on Twitch period the amount of like. It's not like of course on Sunday we always. Like what percent. Yeah of course of course we know that we also see that Sunday Monday yes the sales a little bit higher. But when you spend eighty ninety hundred K buy ins and you also give up a lot of ev because every motherfucker knows exactly how you play as you've been playing. As you've been playing on the feature table on the main event right you you're not getting away with the stuff and that's a lot of money. I felt like it was rigged to take me to the feature table and it's just stealing equity from me and like I literally watched it happen.

可能的商业决策是我在Twitch平台直播。不是说我们每个星期天都会进行直播。就比如说，我们知道周日周一的销售量会略微增加一点。但是当你投入了八九十万美元的买入费，并且因为每个人都了解你的玩法而损失了很多收益时，你也需要考虑这个问题。你在主赛事的特色桌上玩耍，每个人都知道你的玩法，你再也无法像之前那样轻松赢钱。我觉得他们偷偷地把我带到了特色桌上，这让我觉得一切都被操控了，而我眼睁睁地看着发生在自己身上。

I was like holy shit I'm about to go to the feature table like I could just tell and it happened and I just was like what the fuck I was like random. And I'm like looking at the floor man and it was just like the weirdest thing and so I don't necessarily want to blame my bus down on that but. Looking at a hand that theoretically I think is a huge mistake and then in real life I didn't even think about calling a hundred big minds proof of the days can you do it. You know so it's like one of those like funny situations where you don't really like. You know there's so many different factors like you don't know if the guy's like fighting with his wife or as a kid like running around and screaming like when they're playing online. And so like people are influenced by a lot of like outside factors and it makes it difficult if you are paying attention.

我当时就像“天啊，我要去未来的桌子了”，就感觉能预料到，结果真的发生了，我就像“什么鬼”，我觉得太随机了。然后我就盯着地板看，感觉太奇怪了，虽然我不想完全归咎于这件事，但我觉得那一手理论上来说是一个大错误，现实中我甚至都没考虑过出一百大盲注的牌，这真的是一天的好事吗？所以就是一个那种搞笑的情况，你真的不知道。你知道有很多不同的因素影响着人们，你不知道对方是否正在和他的妻子争吵，或者孩子在房里跑来跑去尖叫的时候在打牌。所以人们会受到很多外部因素的影响，如果你不注意的话会变得很困难。

You can tell if at the live poker table if this guy is like clearly fighting with his wife on his phone or has something going on you know or is like. Step in a way to make business calls it's like the guys probably not gonna like run some sick elaborate ball off like he's just gonna play his cards you know. And having these different like aspects and knowing what's going on like live focus really fun. Like I enjoy online as well but that extra element is very enjoyable. Yeah for me just the slow pace life. When you play it when you 15 or you just 10 tables online it's really rough to just play a couple of him. And if you really pay attention you can actually make it a lot more action over pay attention to the reach you can start playing more hands and more loose style. So yeah I have notes in my phone. Like I'll get to a new table and I'll be like what was my telling him and I got my phone and like what. Look it up. Yeah. Dude because it's like I keep track of all those things. It's like you would online like you know you have a time until online you're writing it down right. Yeah. No no of course. Do you when you play live. Sorry go ahead. There was a delay I didn't want to write. When you play live when you play live you probably also have experienced this where oh it's this live crush or trans corona and I just want to you know I just want to bluff him once you probably have it played against these players just like I just want to outplay him once. But then you also have the other spectrum where I don't want to mess with this guy like I just get out of his way. Is it something for you that how do I describe it the best. I sometimes have it live and online and I was wondering if you experience it similar where you're not sure if this is this one of these guys he's just like he knows how I play the game that I want to avoid like high variance situations and then you know he bets very big onto the river he could be either the guy that just like wants to bluff you so he has a nice story to tell to his friends I black I bluff this pro or is this is one of the players it just like he's or she's always going to have it. But you're not really sure maybe new table you don't have a read yet you know. That's like sometimes cross your mind and if so how do you approach that.

你可以在现场扑克桌上看出来，如果有人明显在电话里和他的妻子吵架，或者有其他事情发生，或者是在开展业务电话。这些不同的方面和了解实时情况真的很有趣。我也喜欢在线玩，但额外的元素非常有趣。对我来说，慢节奏的生活。 当你玩在线15张或只有10张牌桌时，只玩几张牌确实很辛苦。如果你真的集中精力，你实际上可以让更多的动作注意到你可以开始玩更多的手和更松散的风格。所以是的，我在我手机上记了笔记。当我到达一个新桌子，我会想起我该注意些什么，然后我从手机上看。因为我记得所有的东西。你知道，你在线上是有时间的，你会写下来。当你玩现场时。对不起，继续说。 当你现场玩，你可能也经历过这种情况，哦，这是这个现场高手或传统球员，我只想虚张声势一次，你可能曾经和这些玩家打过，就像我只想一次击败他一样。但你可能也会有另一个谱，我不想惹这家伙，我只想让开。对你来说，是否有这种感觉，我有时在现场和在线上都有这种感觉，我想知道你是否有类似的经历，你不确定是否这是这些家伙之一，他知道我玩游戏的方式，我要避免高变异的情况，然后你知道他在河里下了很大的赌注，他可能是那种只是想虚张声势，这样他就有一个很好的故事告诉他的朋友，说我蒙混过这位职业选手，还是这是其中一个玩家，他总是会有。但你不太确定，也许在新桌子上你还没有读懂。这样的事情有时会出现在你的脑海中，如果有的话，你怎么应对。

Didn't for a while but then like a few summers ago I won WPT Choctaw right like the end of May and then I got. I don't know I passed all of their like early events and I got second to D Peters and 100k like high roller bounty and for the next like couple of weeks I was just getting absolutely destroyed like getting called in spots that like the bluffs like just should work and I'm just like man like what is going on like whatever. I got a very good game I was like I was like I'm going to be like a lot of people I'm like, I'm just like a lot of people I'm going to be like. I'm like, I'm like, I'm just like, I'm going to be like, okay six minutes a couple of weeks after that and I get in this hand with this guy where I get it in with like 90% equity and peel up. I'm like, what just happened in the reporters there and I double up and the guys like well at least I made the blog that's what I was trying to do and I was like. I didn't really connected it first and now I think that you know as one of the known players like the EV you have when people start to get scared you know and just open every hand is extremely high. The EV you have when you know people are just trying to fuck around is extremely high playing tighter. And so knowing and trying to decode what level those people are on and if they are the avoidance or the you know confrontational type is really important. So yeah I mean sometimes you don't know and you wish you did but yeah definitely. I mean I do understand it listen I don't want to take the fun away from people off like if like listen if I would be playing a football game and Christian or an idol would be my. Like I would try to win a dribbling against him you know even if I would get absolutely smoked just like just having this story all you know I had a joy with Cristiano Ronaldo if you have a nice story to tell so I can relate to that. But if you come because I see it sometimes with the regulars that try to battle with you like we have five weak opponents and you're forbidding me with King 5 suited I had a crazy hand from the six max WCP 5K was like what the fuck are you doing dude. You're just like trying to give me this entire stack because obviously like I could see I could have a base on this ego you just he wanted to be the table boss. I'm like I wasn't even playing all of hands against I was just playing my game trying to exploit the weaker opponents and I think this can also really hurt your win rate. Yeah if you're in a war. Yeah.

有一段时间没有玩了，但像几个夏天前，我赢得了WPT Choctaw比赛，就在五月底，然后我还参加了他们的一些早期比赛，最终在一个高额奖金赛中输给了D·彼得斯，奖金是10万美元。接下来的几个星期里，我一直处于被彻底摧毁的状态，被叫注的时候甚至连虚张声势都无法成功，我就在想，发生了什么。但我得到了一个很好的游戏，我意识到，当人们开始感到害怕时，你的EV会变得极高。当你知道人们只是想瞎搞时，保守玩牌的EV也会很高。所以了解和尝试解读别人所处的层次，他们是回避还是对抗类型，真的非常重要。所以有时候你可能不知道，但你真心希望知道。我明白，我并不想剥夺别人的乐趣，如果我在踢足球比赛，而克里斯蒂亚诺·罗纳尔多或者一个偶像是我的对手，我会努力跟他对抗，即使我会被击败，只要有这个故事，我就感到快乐。但有时候我会发现，像那些常客们总是想和你对抗，我们面对着五个较弱的对手，而你却用K 5 suited跟我下注，我在WCP 5K六人桌赛中经历过类似荒谬的局面，我就在想，你这家伙到底在想什么。你只是想送给我整个筹码，显然，我能看出这是基于自尊心的，你只是想在桌子上当老大。但我其实并没有和所有人对抗，我只是在玩我的游戏，试图利用那些较弱的对手。我认为这也可能真正伤害你的胜率。是的，如果你想要一场战争，我也可以陪你玩。

The WPT Choctire won Foxson and I were at the same table and the other seven people or six people were just fucking whales right. The weak passive dream spots when you're running into a running deep in a tournament like obviously it's the perfect dream where you just get to win every pot. Yeah. And he's like three to my right and he opens and I just three that get it like three that massive and get it in 10s versus a screen for like infinite and he's like. And I like it wasn't even thinking like in my head I'm just like this guy's opening every hand so this is my adjustment. But it's like Fox and I have so much like meta and like you know we talk poker we're friends like just so many different aspects of it that we always just end up going so hard against each other for some odd reason and it's. I mean I've held over him and been pretty like fortunate but he's always like why the fuck did you get that in against me that's such a point and I'm like well. If I bust you like I pretty much win the tournament with 27 left so like it can't be that bad. And then funny plot twist you end up being both the whales at the table because you're just going going and war against each other. Yeah.

在WPT Choctire冠军赛中，我和福克斯坐在同一张桌子上，其他七个人或六个人都是废物吧。当你在一场比赛中深入进行时，弱点梦想点似乎就是你只能赢得每一手的完美梦想。是的。他坐在我右边三个位置，他加注了，我只是把口袋10对整个推进去，无限大，他就说。我心里根本没想什么，只是觉得这个家伙每手都在加注，所以这是我的调整。但福克斯和我有很多元元素，我们谈论扑克，我们是朋友，我们总是以一种奇怪的方式彼此对抗。我对他有优势，也比较幸运，但他总是说，你为什么要和我对抗，这太冒险了。我回答说，如果我把你淘汰，我几乎就赢得了这场比赛，剩下27个人。所以这并不是什么坏事。搞笑的情节是，最终你们两个都成了桌上的废物，因为你们相互展开了激烈对抗。是的。

He's getting in 70 big points per unit ends in the South with tournament. I mean that's always a tricky part playing against friends isn't it you never really know okay. What's what's going on here is he going hard against me or is he going to take it easy on me like what's the. There's two different types of friends just like there's two different types of people playing against like big names or whatever. Yeah. And there's some friends that avoid and there's some friends that absolutely go to war and so I do think it's important to know which ones which there's like very few that are in the middle they're just like trying to play the correct ranges and like the situation. The vast majority of people are polar in that regard.

他在南方比赛中每局得到70分，这总是一个棘手的部分，和朋友比赛的时候就是这样，你永远不知道那样更好。他是真的在和我拼命还是会对我手下留情，这样具体情况是什么。有两种不同类型的朋友，就像有两种不同类型的和大牌比赛的人一样。有一些朋友避免冲突，有一些朋友绝对会拼到底，所以我认为知道哪一种朋友是很重要的，几乎没有什么处于中间的，他们只是在尝试适当地玩牌和处理情况。绝大多数人在这方面都是极端的。

I mean honestly if you just think from a pure EV standpoint when you're with a friend who's also good poker player and it's maybe you have one or two other regulars but you have three, four, five very bad players. This is the optimal decision to take a chill with your friend maybe just flat A's King 80 Bakes cut over his hijack. You should also reduce your your three betting forwarding frequencies because the smaller the stick to pot ratio the more often someone busts from you and the longer you're at the table the more you realize you true. All right. Right. We all talk about sample size and that's actually the funny part about poker is that all these Gd owners. Understand.

老实说，如果你从一个纯粹的期望值（EV）的角度来考虑，当你和一个同样擅长扑克的朋友在一起时，也许还有一两个其他常驻玩家，但有三、四、五个非常糟糕的玩家。这是一个最佳的决定，与你的朋友一起放松，也许只是平跟A的国王80白斯切在他的刺杀位。你还应该减少你的三次加注频率，因为赌注与底池比率越小，别人就越经常从你这里脱身，而当你在桌上的时间越长，你就越能真正意识到这一点。嗯。对。我们都谈论样本大小，这实际上是扑克牌有趣的部分，即所有这些大老板们。明白。

Supposedly math very well. But think about it the higher the sample size the closer to your true our right. If I play five hands on a table versus 200 hands. What in what instance am I going to be closer to my real our right. Yeah, but here's the problem with that statement is they have to think about it. They're just sitting there memorizing all outputs they're not thinking that's the thing is like they just know that they're supposed to that this size or. This texture so they do it. And it's like me it's like. Hmm. I'm pretty sure by how he checked that he's weak so I'm just going to bet massive with my air or I'm pretty sure that he's strong with this check and I actually have something I'm going to bet massive with my value. And so like thinking your way through the situation is like so much more fun than anything else. Yeah, I mean it's just easy concepts if you think about variants how variants in its nature works.

数学应该很厉害。但想想样本大小越大，你的真实情况就越接近你的正确判断。如果我在桌子上打了五手对比200手。在哪种情况下我会更接近我的真实判断。是的，但这种说法的问题在于他们必须思考。他们只是坐在那里记住所有的产出，而不是在思考，这就是问题所在，他们只是知道他们应该这样做。这样做。就像，我很确定他是弱势的，所以我会用我的空手下注或者我很确定他在这次下注时很强，而我确实有一些东西，我会用我的筹码下注。所以像思考你在这种情况下的方式比其他任何事情都更有趣。是的，我是说如果你考虑到变体如何工作的自然概念，那么这就是很容易的。

What would be the best advice let's say. A poker player I'm sorry someone has no experience with poker doesn't even know the roots and you have only one tip that you can give him he has to play against flyby. What is what would be advice to give this person. I brought up. Thank you. That was a good blow. No, it was actually I don't know what is the Twitter conversation and someone actually. Which phone was it and actually I think the best advice would just go all in every hand. Because if you don't even know maybe he knows the roots but that's pretty much it because the more streets you play the more parts the more mistakes and the bigger the mistakes. And you lose of course he's going to lose right.

如果要给一个不懂扑克游戏且不知道规则的人一条建议，最好的建议是要与经验丰富的玩家对战。因为如果你连规则都不懂，最好的方法就是每手都全力以赴。因为不了解规则，玩得越多，犯的错误就会越多。当然，他最终会输掉比赛。

The question is how little is he going to lose and if he goes all in every hand. Ivy also needs to start falling more because he also understands the longer the game goes. The higher his our eye right he doesn't want to get better the way he wants to wait for a good hand. So you actually have a lot of like profitable open pushes and now at least for let's say 5 10 15 hands. He's going to make profitable decisions. But if he starts min raising in three but I can call it no fucking way he's going to. And now and because I always like to approach things from the extremes and now if we take it to the opposite as a very good player.

问题是他将会输多少，如果他每手都all in。Ivy也需要开始加速下降，因为他也明白游戏进行得越久，他的优势就越大，他不想让改善的机会擦肩而过，他想等待一手好牌。所以实际上你有很多盈利的推注机会，至少在接下来的5-10-15手牌中。他会做出盈利的决策。但是如果他开始最小加注，我绝对不会跟进。现在我总是喜欢从极端的角度来考虑事情，作为一个很好的玩家。

You want to avoid those high variance spots in order to realize you really be you really are right. Speaking about future game and this is why think platforms like yours are so good where. You just understand how realistic poker works. You know you have someone that explains you poker. If you think about math at school. A service nothing but a teacher writing the equations and results on the table without explanation. You might see the results and you might remember it until tomorrow but are you going to be able to apply it for yourself. Probably not so you need someone to explain it to you. So and that's why some of you are and I can see that you have like a very realistic approach to the game.

你想要避免那些方差较高的情况，以确保真正实现你真正的自我。谈及未来的游戏，这就是为什么我认为像你们这样的平台非常好的原因。你们真正理解扑克游戏的运作。你知道有人会向你解释扑克。想象一下在学校学数学，一个服务就是老师写下方程式和结果，没有解释。你可能会看到结果，也许会记得到明天，但你能够自己应用它吗？可能不行，所以你需要有人向你解释。这就是为什么你们中的一些人有着非常现实的游戏态度。

And I am always trying to people and I don't even care if it's for me or for me because some people might not like you. Some people might not like you or some people might not like me or like you. So you should also learn from. I was like no, sorry I meant first I was about to say but with of us. But like having someone that really helps you to understand why it's just so powerful. If you start a poker right now or if you want to make your first winnings. Check out chip leader coaching. I think you guys are doing a great job over there. And I think I saw also tweet where you also that you have like video explanation. So like people can go through spots and quiz them but you also have like little video explanations right having them to understand how the sport works. Yeah

我总是尝试着帮助人们，我甚至不在乎是为了自己还是为了别人，因为有些人可能不喜欢你。有些人可能不喜欢你，或者有些人可能不喜欢我或者不喜欢你。所以你也应该学会。我当时说不，抱歉，我是说我刚开始要说的，但是我们两个。但是有一个真正帮助你理解为什么这么强大的人。如果你现在开始打扑克或者想赚取第一笔赢利。看看筹码领导者辅导。我认为你们在那里做得很好。我看到你们也发过推文，你们有视频解释。所以人们可以浏览标注并回答问题，但是你们也有小视频解释来帮助他们理解这个运动是如何运作的。是的。

so initially when we went through and did like you know 3500 4a explanations they were all written. And so for the last like couple of months all the five new hands that we have a weekly are actually video explanations. So it's like a much more elaborate like you get a lot more of the concepts I think. You know it's like you can only write so much about a spot but like the 30 second to two minute video you can really give a lot of information. And it's actually a little bit easier for us to put out the content that way and it's much better for

所以最初当我们浏览和做类似于你知道的3500个4A解释时，它们都是书面的。所以在过去的几个月里，我们每周发布的五个新的解读都是视频解释。所以它更加详细，你可以获得更多的概念。你知道，关于一个位置只能写很少，但是30秒到两分钟的视频可以给出很多信息。这实际上对我们来说更容易发布内容，对于读者来说也更好。

the students. So I'm really happy with that change we made. I mean the reason why I'm saying this because I don't know how this is for you. I always try to teach things from the way I learn it. And sometimes I would watch a course or something and I just I didn't resonate with this person. And I was just like you know somehow the stuff he was teaching was good but it's just not we didn't match. We didn't have also private coaching for business or like I had a mindset coach as well like next to AID role. It's like somewhere we didn't hit off

我对我们所做的改变感到非常高兴。我是说这样说是因为我不知道对你来说是怎样的。我总是试图用我学到的方式去教东西。有时候我会观看一些课程或者其他什么，但我并不与那个人产生共鸣。我会觉得他所教的东西或许不错，但我们之间并不合拍。我们也没有为企业提供私人教练，或者像我曾经有过一个心态教练，他就在AID角色旁边。某种程度上，我们之间没有产生共鸣。

and I think that's natural. Like you know it's of course the expertise is important but also like I can resonate with this dude. He looks like a dude I could learn from right kind of attitude. And this is why I mentioned like he doesn't this person doesn't like you or doesn't like me. I said you twice. But that that's what I was trying to say. It's important as well. Do you still work with? I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I think that's a little bit of a delay. Do you still work with any coaches like do you have maybe a poker coach or do you have like a mental coach or like a business coach? Do you still have like mentors in your life right now? Yeah

我认为这是很自然的。就像你知道的，当然专业知识很重要，但我也能 resonated with 这个家伙。他看起来像我可以从中学到东西的人，态度对。这就是为什么我提到他不喜欢你也不喜欢我。我说了你两次。但这就是我想说的。这也很重要。你还和谁合作吗？对不起。请继续。请继续。我觉得有点延迟。你还和任何教练合作吗？比如说你有没有德扑教练或者心理咨询师或者商业教练？你现在生活中还有导师吗？是的。

absolutely. I would say that most of the mentors I have right now are from the business perspective. We joined the social club here in Nashville and the average age is probably you know 15 to 25 years older than we are. But they're all incredibly successful people like I can confidently say that my wife and I are in the bottom five or 10% success levels of the people there. And they take time for lunches. I've had a guy there go through our entire platform and give me advice on how to improve it from the emails to the sales ages to the actual content itself. Multiple people that have done stuff like that for me. And as far as poker coaching like improving myself

绝对。我会说，我现在大部分的导师都是从商业角度来看的。我们加入了这里纳什维尔的社交俱乐部，平均年龄可能比我们大15到25岁。但他们都是非常成功的人，我可以自信地说，我和我妻子的成功水平在那些人中处于倒数五到十个百分比。他们会抽出时间吃午餐。我遇到了一个人，审查了我们的整个平台，并给了我关于如何改进从邮件到销售页面再到实际内容本身的建议。有多个人像这样为我做过类似的事。至于扑克教练，就是为了提升自己。

I would say that when there is a question that I have, Fox and I will make a video on it. I'd say like one of my favorite things to make content on for the students and I'm sure this is the same for you. Yeah. Is if it's something you want to learn about the content that you're going to create is probably better. Yeah, 100%. Do you do you also have a mindset coach or would you say I'm not so good. I'm good more

我会说，每当我有问题时，我和Fox会制作一个视频来解答。我认为这是我最喜欢为学生制作内容的事情之一，我相信对你来说也是一样。是的。如果你想学习某个内容，那么你创造的内容可能会更好。是的，百分之百。你有思维教练吗，或者你会说我不需要这个？我觉得我还行。

yeah, I mean I have a couple. I still talk with like Tommy Angelo I've used Elliot row. We have two guys like Dionne Jagru and that you and who we made a mindset product with. And you know so I do have those people in my life. I would say that I don't really use them very often. Like someone use the analogy for me of like mindfulness and like can I play your a game as like this mountain right. And different people start at different stages on the mountain to get to the top and you know have the best possible mindset for life for poker or whatever. And I would say that like even though I'm not at the peak of the mountain like my mindset's not perfect. I would say that like I'm still somewhere near the top. And there's a lot of other areas in my life

是的，我是说我有几个朋友。我还和像汤米·安吉洛这样的人保持联系，我曾经用过埃利奥特·罗。我们有两个人，像狄翁·贾格鲁和你，我们一起开发了一种心态产品。我知道，我生活中有这些人。我会说我并不经常使用他们。有人给我举了一个关于正念的比喻，就像是玩一个游戏，就像这座山一样。不同的人在山上的不同阶段开始攀登，以达到最佳的生活或扑克心态。我想说，即使我还没有到达山顶，我的心态也不完美。我会说，我仍然处于接近山顶的地方。在我的生活中还有许多其他领域。

That I want to get better at whether it's routinely working out or business or you know father husband like so there's a lot of other areas in my life I choose to improve right now than my mindset. I would say. Could you imagine playing poker until the end of your let's say like until a very old age. Yeah, yes and no. Like I'm starting to move into like investing in businesses and consulting in them like I've been fortunate enough to learn a lot in the last. Sorry, let me just chat to learn a lot in the last year or so about business specifically. Okay. And I truly enjoy the space like understanding the customer acquisition retention, you know, like different aspects of it. And that's definitely been something that I want to move towards eventually. Like I wouldn't say that. Like I'll still play poker like I'll always play poker. I'll probably like I don't know that I'll always go out for seven weeks for the World Series like I'm planning to again this year. Yeah, you know, being away from my family is like it's a trade off everything in life is a trade off. And like I thoroughly enjoy being home being able to wake up and cook my girls breakfast being there when she comes home from school. You know, like those are things that I enjoy. But I also like what I'm 12 days away from being able to go to Florida and grind for 10 days and like I'm really looking forward to that too. But probably if I've been grinding every single day online, like maybe I wouldn't necessarily be looking forward to that. And so like life is kind of a balance.

我想在各方面都变得更好，无论是定期锻炼、经营业务还是做一个好父亲丈夫。目前我选择改善生活中的许多其他方面，比如我的心态。我想说的是，你能想象自己一直玩扑克直到老年吗？是的，也不是。我开始进入投资业务和咨询的领域，我很幸运在过去一年里学到了很多关于业务方面的知识。我真的很享受这个领域，了解客户获取、保留等不同方面。我希望最终能走向这个方向。我不会说我不再玩扑克，我会一直玩扑克。也许我不会每年像计划今年一样去世界系列赛玩七周。远离家人是一种权衡，生活中的一切都是一种权衡。我非常享受在家，能够起床做女儿们的早餐，迎接她放学回家。这些是我喜欢的事情。但我也喜欢还有12天就能去佛罗里达连续工作十天，我也很期待。但如果我每天都在线打牌，也许我不会那么期待。生活是一个平衡。

I do still truly love grinding and building stacks. I like people, which, you know, life poker adds that element. And I don't think I'll be playing poker forever, but I think I'll play the main event every year forever. Like there's certain tournaments. I think I'll always play. I'll always play like a little bit at the very least. And like I still want us to like go battle in the tritons. So I'm definitely not done with poker yet. Just because I gave actually playing poker kind of the back burner for a little while doesn't mean that doesn't mean I'm done. You know, I'm going to grind a lot in the next five years, I would say. And I kind of consider these like our money making years, you know, like how old are you? I'm 35. How old are you?

我仍然非常喜欢打牌和建立筹码。我喜欢人，你知道，打扑克增添了这种元素。我不认为我会一直打牌，但我认为我会永远参加主要比赛。就像有一些特定的比赛，我想我会一直参加。至少我会偶尔打一点。我还想和你们一起在特里顿大决战。所以我绝对还没有完成我的扑克之路。我只是因为暂时把打扑克放在了次要位置，这并不意味着我已经结束了。你知道，我会在接下来的五年里努力奋斗。我把这些当作我们赚钱的年龄，你知道，你多大了？我35岁，你呢？

I'm 37. Wow, you I would have get I thought actually younger than me. You're looking good, man. Thank you. Dude, quitting alcohol was like huge for me. Alcohol, gym, son. Yeah, there's a lot of things you can do to just stay healthy.

我37岁了。哇，我以为你比我小呢。你看起来很不错，伙计。谢谢。老兄，戒酒对我来说是很重要的。酒精、健身、孩子。是的，有很多事情你可以做来保持健康。

Would you consider being a husband, being an investor, being a poker player, being a businessman, being a father like this? All these different things for the day to day basis, 10 days you focus on family, 10 days you go grind. That this is a crucial or let's say the most important part for being happy for like for yourself. Does it bring a lot of like where the where does most of your happiness come from?

你会考虑成为一个丈夫、一个投资者、一个扑克玩家、一个商人、一个父亲是这样吗？每天都会有不同的角色，十天专注于家庭，十天投入工作。这对于幸福来说是至关重要的，或者说是最重要的部分。你的快乐大部分来自于哪里呢？

When when do you consider yourself as being the most happiest? When I solve problems, I would say, but not like other people's problems. Like say it's like a company problem, something we've been trying to like solve and then you finally solve it. Yeah, I'm just like so excited, right? Or but I truly enjoy going to to go and play poker for like a couple weeks at a time. And so like I do think that happiness comes from different aspects. And as a professional poker player, especially when I was like traveling a lot, it's like a different type of balance. It's kind of the way you described it where it's like, okay, for these two weeks, I'm going to go over and do this like work stuff. And then I'm going to come back and I'm going to spend a week with the family. But that's one of the nice aspects of like focusing on business and being home is you can have that balance in today instead of intro. So it's always a trade off. It's tricky. But so the balance for you comes from being able to do different things that challenge different parts of your brain. Let's say problem solving being a father or did I misunderstand it? No, I mean, I'd say your spot on. You know, there's different joys and things that make me happy. Like the joys I get from being a family man are different than the joys I get from being a businessman or a poker player. And they all are joys in different ways. And when I'm home, I just try to be content. It's like, all right, we have plenty of money. I can spend time with my family. I don't have to feel the stresses to accomplish certain things. But I also like enjoy giving myself deadlines.

你认为自己最快乐的时候是什么时候？我会说是解决问题的时候，但不是别人的问题。比如说公司的问题，我们一直在努力解决，最后解决了。是的，我就会感到很兴奋，对吧？或者我真的喜欢去打扑克，可以连续玩几个星期。所以我认为幸福来自于不同的方面。作为一名职业扑克玩家，尤其是当我经常旅行时，这是一种不同的平衡。就像你描述的那样，这就像是，好吧，这两个星期我要去做这些工作，然后我会回来和家人一起度过一周。但专注于事业并在家呆着的一个好处是你可以在当天得到这种平衡，而不是一直在两头扯。这总是一个权衡。这很棘手。所以你的平衡源于能够做不同的事情来挑战大脑的不同部分。比如解决问题、做父亲，或者我误解了吗？不，我觉得你说得对。你知道，不同的快乐和让我开心的事情。我作为一个家庭人所得到的快乐，和我作为一个商人或扑克玩家所得到的快乐是不同的。它们以不同的方式带来快乐。当我在家的时候，我只是尽量让自己满足。就像，好吧，我们有足够的钱，我可以和家人在一起。我不必感到压力去完成某些事情。但我也喜欢给自己制定截止日期。

Like when Fox and I were recording bracelet under 2.0, we gave ourself a deadline. We made it, you know, because you know how hard it is to like launch a product by like the date that you're trying to do it by. And you know, hitting those goals like I remember last year, I set a goal for what I wanted to have the live tells product completed. You know, so like having those goals and accomplishing them is really important. And maybe your goals are family oriented. Maybe your goals are fitness oriented. You know, so having goals in general, I think, and achieving them because those goals have to be just financial goals can be at every aspect of life. Yeah. And so setting goals and accomplishing them, I think is really important.

就像福克斯和我录制 2.0 版手链时，我们给自己制定了一个截止日期。我们做到了，你知道的，因为你知道在规定的日期推出产品有多难。你知道，实现这些目标就像我记得去年我设定了想要完成的实时产品的目标。你知知道，设定这些目标并实现它们真的很重要。也许你的目标是家庭导向的。也许你的目标是健身导向的。你知道，拥有目标并达成它们是真的很重要。也许你的目标是家庭导向的。也许你的目标是健身导向的。你知道，拥有目标并达成它们真的很重要。因为目标不仅仅是财务目标，可以涉及到生活中的方方面面。是啊，设定目标并实现它们，我认为是非常重要的。

What do you struggle the most with right now on a personal business level? I'm not sure actually. Like there were tons of stuff that we struggled with three months ago. I would say that our ads from a business perspective are like very mediocre at best. Like they are getting better. Like social media is one content like there's there's four ways to communicate with people. There's like one to many warm, which is email. Or we'll say one to one warm, which is email one to one cold, which is like with scraping, which neither you and I are due to one to many warm, which is social media and one to many cold, which is like paid ads. And so like having those different aspects of a business for different things that we struggled with, but our emails are getting better, but they're still not the same quality as yours are. Yeah. So that's like one of the areas we struggle the most with on business.

你在个人业务层面上目前最困扰的是什么？实际上我不太确定。就像三个月前我们遇到了很多困难。我会说，从业务角度来看，我们的广告最多也就是一般般吧。虽然它们的质量正在提升。比如说社交媒体是一种内容，可以通过四种方式与人们沟通。一对多Warm，比如电子邮件。或者说一对一Warm，就是电子邮件一对一Cold，例如通过获取信息来进行冷调，这两种方式你我都不是很擅长；一对多Warm，就是社交媒体；以及一对多Cold，就是付费广告。所以对于不同业务方面的的挑战，我们有不同的解决方法，尽管我们的电子邮件质量有所提高，但仍然无法与你们的相提并论。是的，这是我们在业务上面临的最大困难之一。

Prioritizing date night is an area I struggle with. I'm advertising good in your date night. Like you saw me on a personal. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like from that aspect with my wife, like Brooklyn date nights is always something that I've struggled with. I'm pretty good at like hashing out time for my daughter. I'm not that good at hashing out time for my friends. So like, you know, there's it's really difficult for me to be like when you have like a mind that really focuses on optimizing, like I'm sure you do as well. It's hard to optimize every single aspect, right? Because if I'm going to optimize this one, I have to spend time on it, which means these other ones get neglected and it's hard, you know, and I hold myself to a pretty high standard and achieving those expectations I have for myself have always been difficult. Yeah.

在安排约会夜晚方面我挺困扰的。我在你们的约会晚上做得很好。就像你看到的，我很个人化。好的。好的。是的。是的。你知道，和我的妻子一起，布鲁克林的约会晚上一直是我挣扎的地方。我很擅长为女儿安排时间，但不太擅长为朋友安排时间。所以，你知道，对我来说真的很难，当你有一个真正专注于优化的思维，就像你也一样。要同时优化每一个方面是困难的，对吧？因为如果我要优化一个，就必须花时间，这意味着其他方面会被忽视，这很困难，而且我对自己设定了相当高的标准，实现我对自己的期望一直是困难的。是的。

Do you sometimes fear that? Um, do you have do your friends and family member, like also understand that part or do they sometimes get mad with you if you let's say don't call them or you don't have time or is it do you do have like an environment where people, hey, you know, we know he's working hard and we didn't don't need to spend time every single weekend. Like what you say you are in a good environment where people like very supportive and also a path with, you know, that's your journey, right? You have so many different projects going on that, you know, come spend every single weekend with your friends or even sometimes probably guess for several months in the row. I don't know. I don't know all it is for you. Yeah.

你有时候会担心这个吗？嗯，你的朋友和家人，他们会理解这一点吗？还是有时候如果你不打电话给他们或者时间上比较紧张，他们会生气？或者在你周围的人，他们会说：“我们知道他在努力工作，我们不需要每个周末都一起度过。”你能说你身处一个很支持你的环境，也能理解你的道路，对吧？你有很多不同的项目在进行，可能有时候连续几个月都没有时间和朋友一起度过周末。我不知道，这对你来说会是怎样的情况。是这样吗？

That's actually something I've always been very fortunate with is the level of support I've had from family, wife, like all of that. So like, yeah, like I said, my wife understood last summer that I was just going to go grind in Vegas and he picked up the slack at home and, you know, when I'm home, I help a ton with the kid. I would say more than 98% of dads. But when I'm traveling, it's, it's a lot of work to be effectively a single mom for attendees and my wife does an incredible job at that. She's supportive. But I mean, no one's, you know, impervious to the issues, right?

这实际上是我一直非常幸运的事情，我得到了家人和妻子等的大力支持。所以，就像我说的那样，去年夏天我的妻子理解我要去拉斯维加斯努力工作，她在家顶替了我，在家的时候，我也帮忙照顾孩子，我会说比98%的爸爸都要多。但我在外出旅行的时候，扮演一个有效的单亲妈妈对于我的妻子来说是很大的挑战，而她做得非常出色。她很支持我，但我也知道，没有人能完全免疫问题。

Like I think of it as like in skin with abandoned. So like you take a bad beat. No big deal. You shake it off, right? But you take like 10 bad beats in a row and it starts to penetrate you a little bit more. It's the same in life, right? You get someone cuts you off on the road. It's like, whatever, no big deal. But it like keeps happening over and over. It starts to bug you. But it's the same as being a parent, you know, if my wife's the full time parent for a couple of weeks and maybe my daughter's acting up. Well, I'm sure the first couple of times it's no big deal and it doesn't face her. But if things happen enough that she probably needs a break and needs a little more support.

我认为这就像是被抛弃的皮肤一样。就好像你受了一次挫折，无所谓，摇摇晃晃就过去了，对吧？但是如果你连续遭遇十次挫折，它开始慢慢渗透到你心里。生活也是一样的，对吧？有人在路上抢道，无所谓，没什么大不了的。但是如果一次又一次发生，它开始困扰你了。就像做父母一样，你知道，如果我妻子全职当家几周，也许我的女儿会开始任性。起初她可能觉得没什么大不了，不会影响她。但如果事情发生得太多，她可能需要休息，需要更多的支持。

And so we all need to port in different aspects of our life. And I think that I've been really lucky to have that. Yeah. Man, thank you also so much for giving us so much insight into your private life as well. I know you're very busy, so I want to keep you for too long. I have one last question though. As someone like you being very busy and being very competitive, what do you do to what brings you the most pleasure in terms of enjoying yourself? If you, for some people, it's watching a movie, for some people, it's watching, playing a video game or reading a book. What is it that you enjoy doing if you have some time off?

所以我们都需要在生活的不同方面进行适应。我觉得自己非常幸运能够做到这一点。对了，非常感谢你也给我们提供了如此深刻的私人生活见解。我知道你很忙，所以我不想占用你太久的时间。不过我还有一个问题。像你这样忙碌和充满竞争性的人，你在闲暇时是如何享受自己的？对于一些人来说，可能是看电影，对于一些人来说是玩视频游戏或阅读一本书。那么你如果有空闲时间，你喜欢做什么呢？

One of my biggest life leaks still because it's just from a peer enjoyment perspective is I love betting on a sport and so they. Really? Yeah. What kind of sport? What kind of sport? It doesn't matter. It does matter? Really? Anything good. Oh, yeah. I just love it, man. Even if you don't have an edge, even if you don't really know anything about that sport? Yeah. Okay. I just. Yeah. I mean, I have no pit-spet, so no gambling with anything with a pit boss, no blackjack, no bocchrot, all of those.

我生活中的一个最大的泄漏就是纯粹出于同行的乐趣角度，我喜欢在体育比赛上下注。真的吗？是的。是什么体育？什么体育？都可以。不都可以吗？真的吗？对，只要好玩。哦，是的，我就是喜欢。即使你没有优势，即使你并不真正了解那项运动？是的。好吧，我就是。是的。我的意思是，我没有赌场的体育，没有跟着主管下注，没有二十一点，没有娱乐博弈。

I'm like seven or eight years into a ten-year, ten thousand dollar bet with Beeb. So I've, I don't drink or smoke or do drugs anymore, so I limit. But I am a degenerated heart, right? I do have these life leaks and, you know, sweating a game, like go into our social club here and sweating a UFC fight with a friend was like so much fun last week. And like, you have this underdog that's like drawing dead and like all of a sudden they just like knocks the other guy out and you guys are all like celebrating having a good time.

我和Beeb打了一个价值一万美元的十年赌约，已经进行了七八年了。所以我已经不再饮酒、吸烟或吸毒，我有所保留。但我确实有一颗脆弱的心脏，对吧？我生活中会有一些小瑕疵，但参加一个社交俱乐部，和朋友一起看UFC比赛，那种兴奋是上周的乐趣之一。就像你有一个毫无希望的弱者，突然间他就击倒对手，大家都在庆祝，度过开心的时光。

And yeah, that's like one of the most fun things I do for just me. That's like, you know, there's a lot of stuff I do for like others or for family or something like that. That's the one leak I stole on myself there. Man, is it really a leak? Like listen, like I know that people know me for like also being very harsh on like being the best version of your set, but I think everyone needs something to like just let go, you know, just having a good time. Whether it's even like, listen, I'm completely against weed. Like I know also like I would say 90 out of 20 poker players, I know that smoke weed, it's bad for them.

是的，那是我为自己做的最有趣的事情之一。你知道的，我做了很多事情是为了别人或家人之类的。那是我为自己保留的一个漏洞。但是，那真的是漏洞吗？听着，我知道人们知道我也以严厉对待成为自己最好版本的人而闻名，但我认为每个人都需要一些东西来放松一下，你知道，只是享受一下。无论是什么，比如，我完全反对大麻。我也知道有95%的扑克玩家吸大麻，这对他们不利。

But there's always the exception and I would always say don't bet, don't do sports betting. But obviously it's good for you, you know, or at least you find pleasure and enjoyment and you do it out of enjoyment and pleasure and not out of distracting yourself from problems. You cope with something and then you know, it also ends up in a certain addiction. I mean, you probably addicted to a certain degree a little bit, but I'm like, I'm lucky that one of my biggest addictions is playing poker.

总有例外情况，我总是会说不要赌博，不要进行体育博彩。但很明显这对你有好处，你知道，或者至少你会从中找到乐趣和享受，你做这些是出于快乐和喜悦，而不是为了分散自己的问题。你应对一些事情，然后你知道，它最终会导致某种程度上的瘾。我是说，你可能会有一点点上瘾，但我很幸运，我的其中一个最大的瘾头就是玩扑克。

Yeah, I happen to be winning at it, you know, so I've always had an incredible time. But are you really addicted to gay? I think it's more the addiction to being better and the competition is bigger than the addiction to getting it in with a flush draw or calling the river bats. As long as that addiction is bigger, you're good. But if the addiction to chasing a draw against all odds becomes bigger, then there's a problem. But I think having something in life where you can let go and just having a good time is very important, you know.

是的，我碰巧一直在赢，所以我总是玩得很愉快。但是你真的对赌博上瘾吗？我觉得更多的是对变得更好和竞争更激烈的瘾，而不仅仅是对拿到同花顺牌或者跟注河牌的瘾。只要前者比后者更大，就没问题。但是如果追求一个完全不可能的胜率变得更重要，那就有问题了。我觉得在生活中有一些可以放松并享受的事情是非常重要的。

Yeah, I agree with that. Otherwise, what are we actually doing here? Yeah, I'm pretty sure at least like 75% of life is living it, so. It is, it is. But the problem is most people take it as an excuse to not get shit done, you know, and then it's like, I'm just living life. But like, that's the problem. Some people take it as inspiration and some people take it as an excuse. So you just got to choose how you use it.

是的，我同意。否则，我们到底在这里做什么？是的，我相当确定至少有75%的生活是用来生活的，所以。是的，是的。但问题是大多数人把这当作一个不去完成任务的借口，你知道，然后就说，我只是在享受生活。但问题就在这里。有些人把它当作灵感，有些人把它当作借口。所以你必须选择如何利用它。

Yeah, sometimes you just need time to just like, you know, watch a TV series or a couple of movies and just like take some time off and, you know, I'm lucky we have like this guest house with like my office that has a living room and like stuff in it. And there's been days where I'm like, I'm going to go to work, but like, I just go straight to the couch. Yeah, I mean, come on, we have been working pretty hard and I think it's important to also have that kind of reward, right? If you really did something and the day when it on the thirst is like, today I'm just going to go play some goals like with a buddy, have a beer, go for it.

是的，有时候你只需要一些时间，就像，你知道的，看一部电视剧或几部电影，然后休息一下，你知道的，我很幸运我们有这样一个客房，里面有我的办公室，有一个客厅还有其他东西。有些时候我本来想去工作，但最后却直接去了沙发上。是的，我是说，我们工作相当努力了，我认为也很重要有这样的奖励，对吧？如果你真的做了什么事情，当一整天结束时，就像今天我就去和朋友玩玩游戏，喝喝啤酒，就尽情去做吧。

Like I think especially as a man, like having these good times and just like being a goofy little kid, I mean, it's so much fun, isn't it? Like, that's the other thing that I do for pleasure is golf with friends. Okay, you good at it? No, I'm fucking terrible. Yeah. Yeah, but it's really fun. We can still gamble and give handicaps and of course, of course, the gambling is involved. Yeah. Yeah. I could not see myself golfing. I don't know. I would be too impatient. I don't know.

我觉得尤其作为一个男人，像有这些美好的时光，就像是一个搞怪的小孩，我是说，这真的太有趣了，不是吗？另外一件我喜欢做的事情是和朋友一起打高尔夫球。你擅长吗？不，我糟糕透了。是的，但是真的很有趣。我们还可以赌一下，让分，当然，一定会涉及赌博。我想我无法想象自己打高尔夫。我不知道，我可能会太不耐烦。

Like somehow I have a lot of my friends go over like most of my friends go over and they come with me, come with me, come with me, join me. I introduced him to go and I was like, no, I don't want to go. Yeah, it's not that. Yeah, it's like on my list to do like one of the things I want to get good at, but I just haven't had the time yet. I enjoy fishing though. I find fishing a lot more exciting than playing golf. I don't know why because most of the time you're sitting there as well. Maybe it's more than eight. I mean, golf, you're also beautiful nature, but I don't know. Sometimes it's weird. I grew up fishing. I get it. It's peaceful. You sometimes go?

就好像我的很多朋友都参加了，大部分的朋友都来了，他们跟着我，跟着我，跟着我，加入我。我介绍他去，但我却不想去。是的，不是那样的。是的，在我的待办清单上，我想要擅长的事情之一，但我还没有时间。虽然我喜欢钓鱼。我觉得钓鱼比打高尔夫球更令人兴奋。我不知道为什么，因为大部分时间你也是坐在那里。也许更加安静。我是说，打高尔夫球，你也在美丽的大自然中，但我不知道。有时候很奇怪。我是在钓鱼中长大的。我明白，这是平静的。你有时候去吗？

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you hit the spot. It's peaceful. It's just a world of chaos. Yeah. Absolutely. Listen, man, thank you so much for coming on here today and everyone is watching. Don't forget to check out chip leader coaching. If you guys want to learn more about poker. So, yeah. Again, thank you so much. It was a two pleasure talking to you. I wish you all the best. Maybe we get to meet or maybe we even get to play against each other at the WCP this summer. Don't touch my big blind. Let it be a warning for you. I promise. I promise. I'm staring at you.

是的。是的。是的，你说中要点了。这里很平静。只是一个混乱的世界。是的。完全是这样。听着，伙计，非常感谢你今天过来这里，每个人都在看着。不要忘记查看筹码领袖辅导。如果你们想要学习更多关于扑克的知识。所以，是的。再次，非常感谢你。和你交谈很愉快。祝你一切顺利。也许我们会见面，或者甚至在今年夏天的世界扑克大赛上对阵。不要碰我的大盲注。让它成为你的警告。我保证。我保证。我正在盯着你。

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