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The Verge's David Pierce, Alex Cranz, and Adi Robertson discuss Meta's new Quest 3 VR headset that was announced ahead of Apple's WWDC event, which is widely believed to showcase an Apple headset. Deputy editor Dan Seifert joins the show to discuss the rest of the WWDC rumors and theories. Further reading: The Vergecast Podcast: https://pod.link/430333725 Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Shop The Verge's merch here: https://shop.theverge.com/ Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Follow on Twitter: http://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: http://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Listen to our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com

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Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of companies front running other companies announcements before the second company has a very large event. I'm your friend, David Pierce. Alex Kranz is here. I'm your friend who also has an AR headset. They really want to talk to you about this week. Just everyone who has an AR headset. Tell us about it right now. If you've ever even thought about it, now is the time.
欢迎来到《Vergecast》！这是公司在第二个公司举办大型活动前率先宣布其他公司动态的旗舰播客。我是您的朋友大卫·皮尔斯，还有亚历克斯·克兰兹也在这里。我是带着增强现实头戴设备的朋友，这周他们非常想跟大家谈谈这件事。如果您曾经考虑过购买，现在就是时候了。

Addy Robertson's here. Hi. Can you lie as out forever? No, he'll be back next week. He's on vacation doing God only knows what. He's mostly still in Slack, so I don't think he's actually on any kind of vacation. I was like, he's just on vacation slacking all of us, but knowing that he can ignore the slacks afterwards. It's honestly kind of the best vacation. It's just like a no-responsibility work. It's beautiful. I can do work if I feel like it, and I can yell at everyone in Slack if I want to, but I don't have to do anything. That's vacation right there. I mean, the goal.
Addy Robertson在这里。嗨。你能永远消失吗？不，他下周就回来了。他正在度假中，不知道在做什么。他大部分时间仍在Slack上，所以我不认为他在度假。我觉得他只是在度假期间在Slack上和我们闲聊，但知道他之后可以忽略Slack上的消息。这实际上是最好的假期。就像不用承担任何责任的工作。太美了。我如果想工作，就可以，如果想在Slack上大喊大叫，也可以，但我不必做任何事。这就是假期，我觉得这就是目标。

All right, we have a lot to get to this week. It's WWDC next week. We're going to talk a bunch about that. There's a lot of stuff coming. But first, we should talk about the front run to end all front runs, which was Meta announcing the Quest 3 VR headset. This is just transparently meta saying, please, Apple's about to launch a headset. We beg you, do not forget that we also make headsets by our headsets. We love you. Mark Zuckerberg.
好的，这个星期我们要讨论很多事情。下个星期是WWDC，我们会谈论很多相关的内容。但首先，我们应该谈一谈一场有史以来前奏最强的竞赛，Meta推出了Quest 3虚拟现实头戴设备。这明显是Meta在说：“请注意，苹果即将推出头戴式设备，但请不要忘记我们也有头戴设备。我们爱你，马克·扎克伯格。”

Oh, absolutely. What's going on here? Tell us about this thing. So yeah, the Quest 3, which was very widely rumored. It's not like this is some shock. Everybody's known it's been coming for a long time. But there was one lone hands-on with it last week. And then now we've gotten a full announce. Its deal is that it is slimmer and lighter than the Quest 2, the way that the Quest 2 was slimmer and lighter than the Quest. There are color passed through cameras. So it's got these three things that look kind of like these little pills on the front of it. And they are dual camera arrays. And then there's a depth sensor, which was supposed to be on the MetaQuest Pro, but got dropped.
噢，当然可以。这里发生了什么？告诉我们这件事情的详情。好的，所以Quest 3，这个广受传言的产品。这不是什么惊喜，每个人都知道它已经有很长时间了。但是上周只有一个人体验了它，而现在我们得到了完整的官方发布。它的特点是比Quest 2更轻薄，就像Quest 2比Quest更轻薄一样。它有通过摄像头传递颜色的功能。所以它有三个看起来像小药丸的东西，它们是双摄像头阵列。然后还有一个深度传感器，它本来应该在MetaQuest Pro上的，但是被取消了。

And so that gives it the sort of quasi augmented reality capabilities that the Quest Pro has. But it's much cheaper. It is $499. And then they're also going to keep the Quest 2 around. But they're going to drop the price point back down to what it was before, which is $299.
因此，这使其具备了类似于Quest Pro的准增强现实功能。但价格便宜得多，只要499美元。同时，他们也会继续销售Quest 2，但是将价格降回以前的水平，即299美元。

The pricing of the Quest never stops confusing me. And on the one hand, the Quest 3, $499.99 is both a lot and a little in the scheme of VR headsets. The old one is getting a big software update they talked about and is going down in price. The Pro exists. I think they've sold zero of them as far as I can tell.
Quest的价格一直让我感到困惑。一方面，Quest 3售价499.99美元，从VR头戴式设备的整体来看，这既是很多也是很少。而旧款则正在接受大规模软件升级，价格也在下降。还有专业版存在，但据我所知，它们的销量为零。

This thing fits into kind of an awkward space. The vibe I got, this is basically just a teaser, right? I don't think it does. Does it? This works for you? Yeah. Because the original, I mean, I don't necessarily think it's the best idea. But the original, the Quest 2, so compelling, was everybody really liked it. And it was cheap. It was $300. And so you're like, oh, I want to spend $300 to try out really good VR. That sounds great. And I don't have to put a bunch of crap in my house to do it.
这个东西适合放在一个比较尴尬的地方。我的感觉是，这只是一个预告，对吧？我不认为它做到了。你认为它对你有用吗？对，因为我原本不认为这是最好的想法。但是原版的Quest 2非常吸引人，每个人都非常喜欢它。而且它很便宜，只要300美元。所以你就会想，哦，我想花300美元尝试一下非常好的VR体验，这听起来很棒。而且我不需要把一堆垃圾放在家里来做这件事。

And so that made sense. They never really got really pissed when they increased the price last year. I know they've dropped the price again. And I think the higher storage one is actually now cheaper than it was when it initially launched. But it sounds like the Quest 2 is still, this is still their beginners. You just want to get a taste. And then, OK, you want full color pass through, but without the garbage that is the Quest Pro, you can get it for $100, $200 more. It makes a little sense.
所以这很有道理。当他们去年涨价时，他们其实并没有真正生气。我知道他们又降价了。而且我觉得，容量更大的那个现在比最初推出时还要便宜。但听起来Quest 2仍然是他们的入门级产品。你只想要尝个味。然后，好吧，你想要全彩透视，但不想要Quest Pro那样的垃圾，你可以多支付100，200美元来购买。这有点讲得通。

Everything about this makes sense, right? It makes sense that the one hands-on went to Mark Gurman, who is a very well-known reporter on things happening in Apple. So of course, that's who they go to to front-run Apple. It could not have made it any clearer that that's what they were doing by going to Gurman. Like everything about this makes sense, but also presupposes that we all care enough about full-color pass through VR to want to spend $500. This is the question.
这一切都很有道理，是不是？派给Mark Gurman这样一个在苹果公司动态上非常知名的记者是很有道理的事情。所以当然是他们去找Gurman领先报道苹果的。通过找Gurman，他们并没有让事情更加复杂，反而表明了他们正在做的事情。这一切都很有道理，但也预设了我们是否关心全彩透视VR足以让我们花费500美元。这就是问题所在。

The other problem is that anytime you add more cameras to a thing, you make that thing heavier. And I'm kind of annoyed by that. It could turn out this thing is great. But I would actually just prefer a headset that has very rudimentary pass through but is lighter to a thing that is trying to implement this use case that maybe someone could do well. The Quest Pro did not do well. I still do not see a really compelling option for a really compelling reason why I should want it.
另一个问题是，每当你为某个物品添加了更多的摄像头，你就会让它变得更重。这让我有点恼火。也许这个东西会很好用，但我实际上更喜欢一个非常基础的透视耳机，它更轻便，而不是试图实现这个用例的东西（也许有人能做得很好）。Quest Pro表现不佳，我仍然没有看到一个真正有吸引力的选择，也没有一个真正有吸引力的理由为什么我应该想要它。

Yeah. And so I'm going to be annoyed if there's a better version of this headset that I could have gotten for cheaper that it's just saddled with this quasi-augmented reality. Right. So that's where I land when I say this is confusing to me is the Quest 2 still seems like it's going to be a very good option for most people. And Meta just had this big Quest gaming showcase. A lot of that stuff is coming to the Quest 2. It just sort of keeps being a better thing. That's great. But the Quest 3, and again, this is just a teaser. It's launching in the fall. We'll see more. This was clearly like they made this video in like an hour and a half in order to front run Apple is pretty clearly what happened. So we don't know everything.
是啊。所以如果有一款更好的耳机版本，且价格比我买的低，但只是加了这种准增强现实技术，我就会感到很烦。对，所以当我说这令我困惑时，我的意思是Quest 2似乎仍然是大多数人的很好选择。Meta刚刚推出了大型Quest游戏展示活动。其中很多东西都将到Quest 2上。它看起来就是一个更好的选择。很棒。但是Quest 3，这个只是个预告。它将在秋季推出。我们会看到更多。很明显，这个视频是在一个半小时内制作的，以便提前预热Apple。所以我们还不知道所有的情况。

But to me, it's exactly what you're saying, Addy. It's like the Quest 2, a little later, a little more powerful. Those are all good things. But then the big new thing is this pass through. And A, I'm suspicious that this pass through is going to be any good based on what we've seen from the Quest Pro. And B, there's really no evidence anywhere yet of like a useful app for this. All the stuff they show is just like, look at this nifty thing you can put on your table. And it's like we're still in the like see the Ikea sofa in your living room before you buy it. Phase of all of this stuff. And to me, that's just like, that's nothing.
对我来说，这正是你所说的，Addy。就像Quest 2一样，稍后会更强大一些。这些都是好的事情。但是，最重要的新功能是这个穿透功能。首先，根据我们从Quest Pro看到的信息，我怀疑这个穿透功能是否会很好。其次，在任何地方，还没有出现一款有用的应用程序。他们展示的所有东西都只是，看，你可以把这个巧妙的东西放在你的桌子上。就像我们仍然处于所有这些事情的生活室中，看到宜家沙发的阶段。对我来说，这就像什么都没有。

And so I'm kind of of the mind that like, where is the thing that's going to make me spend $200 extra dollars on this? Because I just, I don't necessarily buy that it's passed through. Every time I say I don't like some feature on the VR headset, somebody's like, this is the exact thing I needed. I love this. I've probably accept that. That's great. As someone who does like this thing mostly for gaming though, and who does general purpose computing, I feel like meta has not made a very good pitch for Pastor to me. What would that pitch look like?
所以我有点想知道，是什么能让我额外花200美元在这上面呢？因为我不一定相信这种转移费用。每当我提出关于VR头盔某些功能不喜欢的时候，总有人说，这正是我需要的。我喜欢这个。我可能会接受这个观点。但是，作为一个主要用于游戏和一般用途计算的人，我觉得Meta对我并没有作出很好的推销。那么，这样的推销会是什么呢？

Like in your wildest dreams. This is the part I have trouble with is I'm not even sure what I want from this. Short of some of the like, truly amazing, like probably still 10 years away, incredible epic AR experiences. Like what is, what does good even look like here? I don't think full color pass through can be good. Because at the end of the day, because full color pass through means that, okay, now I'm going to be able to wear this around my house doing other things. But I'm still going to look like a jackass.
这就像做梦一样美好。但是让我困扰的是，我甚至不确定自己想从中得到什么。除了那些真正令人震惊、可能仍需十年才能实现的惊人的增强现实体验。但是，究竟什么才是好的呢？我认为完全的彩色透视并不好。因为彩色透视意味着，现在我可以穿着这个做其他事情在家里移动。但是我看起来依然像个傻瓜。

I think my entire career is a testament to the fact that I don't care about that. But I think that all of the compelling uses I've seen for augmented reality so far are things that happen outside my house. They're things that are smartphone ask. And I think that is hard to pull off here. Like I think home AR so far I haven't heard a lot of really great takes on it. Like I want to be able to look at a sign that's in a language I don't speak and see that sign translated, things like that. That's cool. Real life Google Maps.
我认为我的整个职业生涯证明了我并不在乎那个。但是我认为目前看到的所有引人注目的增强现实的用途都是在我家外面发生的，它们都是类似于智能手机的应用。而且我认为在这个领域很难实现。就像我认为迄今为止，我还没有听到很多有关家庭增强现实的好想法。比如说，我希望能够看到一个我不懂语言的标语，并将其翻译成我能看懂的语言，这样很酷。就像是真实的Google地图。

I know there are a lot of people who like the idea that you know you could use this instead of a big monitor or a big screen. I don't think the tech is there yet. So that's basically all I got. Yeah, I really loathe this road that we're going down where everybody is like, oh use it to get a bunch of computer monitors and you can read books with your AR headset. And I'm like, have you seen like the resolution of a piece of paper? Like it's very good. It's very good. And it turns out that that's nice to read on. And if you want it to be like blurry and bad and give you a headache after 15 minutes, like by all means read in a headset. But that to me is so far away from being an actual use case for most things. It's just mind blowing to me.
我知道有很多人喜欢这个想法，你可以使用AR头盔代替大屏幕或大屏幕。我认为技术还没有到那里。这基本上就是我拥有的一切。是的，我真的很讨厌我们正在走的这条路，每个人都在说，“哦，用它来获得一堆电脑显示器，你可以用AR头盔阅读书籍”。而我想说，你看过纸张的分辨率吗？它非常好。非常好。并且证明它非常适合阅读。如果你想让它变得模糊不清并在15分钟后让你头痛，那么可以尝试在头盔中阅读。但是对于大多数事情来说，那对我来说仍然是一个远离实际用例的东西，这让我感到震惊。

I figured it out. Okay, you're going to put it on and you're going to go in the kitchen. And then it's going to give you recipes that float in front of you. That's honestly a very good idea. So I tried that when the Oppo glasses came out, I love that you already tried it. You're right. That reminds me cooking is one of the rare use cases where I think this could actually be good because you're like, it's like being a surgeon, you want your hands free. Right.
我想通了。好的，你要戴上这个，然后去厨房。然后它会在你面前浮现出食谱。这实在是一个非常好的想法。当Oppo眼镜推出时，我也试过这个。你说得对。这让我想起来，烹饪是我认为这个技术实际上可能有用的少数用例之一，因为你就像在当外科医生，你需要双手自由。没错。

But would you want to wear this? Yeah, like I don't know if I would want to wear this to cook. I like cooking. I would love to be able to not have to like wipe my hands off and go look at my iPad. But I also would not like, there's just feels like there's so much potential for failure there. I don't trust the cameras. Yeah.
但你想穿这个吗？是的，我不知道我是否想要穿这个来做饭。我喜欢烹饪。我很想不用擦手就能看我的iPad。但我也不想，因为好像失败的风险很大。我不相信这些摄像头。

One of the things I've been hearing, I've been talking to analysts and like developers about this. And the big thing they point out is the problem is that pass through has a really bad fail state. If your air glasses go dead and they're just glasses that have a projector, then you have no glasses. If this goes dark, then you're blind. Oh, that's such a good point as you're like flipping the pancake. Like that's part of the reason why you can't really use it outside very well because if say it freezes up for a second and you're crossing the street as the example that I heard, then wow, you are going to die. It's like the the Mitch Hedberg joke about like when if when the escalator dies, it just becomes stairs. Like that's what you want. Escalator not temporarily stares. Right. This is not temporarily stares. This is temporarily black hole. Like it's not it's not what you're looking for.
我听到的一件事情是，我正在和分析师以及开发者谈论这个问题。他们指出的主要问题是，直通模式存在非常糟糕的失效状态。如果您的空气眼镜没有电了，而它们只是具有投影仪的眼镜，那么您就没有眼镜了。如果它变成黑屏，那么您就瞎了。这是一个很好的观点，就像你翻转煎饼一样。这是你无法很好地在户外使用它的部分原因，因为如果它因某种原因在横穿马路时卡顿一秒钟，那么哇，你就会死亡。就像米奇·赫德伯格关于当电梯坏了时，它会变成楼梯的笑话一样。就是你想要的。电梯不应该暂时变成楼梯。对吧。这不是暂时变成楼梯。这是暂时变成黑洞。这不是你要找的东西。

That's really interesting. But then to your point about the killer app, so this like meta still sees this as a gaming device, right? I hope it is clearly they did this announcement right before they did a big gaming showcase. They showed off a bunch of stuff. There's a stranger things VR game. There's an Assassin's Creed VR game coming that I'm very excited about, which has been in the works in theory for like years at this point. I'm really curious about that. Really? Should I not be getting my hopes up about this? I in the last few minutes have really gotten my hopes up. They announced Assassin's Creed and Splinter sell like years ago, but isn't it also like Ubisoft anytime someone announces anything game related? They're like, don't worry. Assassin's Creed is coming to this product. Oh, yeah. Assassin's Creed was on the like when Google was testing game streaming before Project or before Stadia even existed.
这真的很有趣。关于杀手级应用程序的问题，那么这个Meta还是视为游戏设备，对吧？我希望很明显，他们在大型游戏展之前做出了这个宣布。他们展示了很多东西。有一个《怪奇物语》VR游戏。有一个刺客信条VR游戏即将推出，我非常兴奋，这个游戏从理论上就一直在制作中了几年。我真的很好奇。真的吗？我不应该对此抱有希望吗？在过去的几分钟里，我已经非常兴奋了。他们几年前就宣布了《刺客信条》和《狙击精英》，但是像育碧这样的公司在任何人宣布任何与游戏相关的事情时，他们都会说：“不用担心，刺客信条将会在这个产品上推出”。哦，是的。在谷歌测试游戏流之前，《刺客信条》就已经在上面了，这是在Stadia甚至存在之前。

Assassin's Creed was like, sure, play Assassin's Creed on your Chromebook over the Internet. You go for it. Here you go. I got that set. I still want one. Addy, was there anything in this showcase that jumped out at you? Like are we are we moving ahead with metaverse games in any kind of cool exciting ways? So with the full caveat that I haven't I've mostly looked at J is very good announcements post. There's stuff that could be cool. And also power wash simulator is kind of neat. Yes. In VR. I like that. It wasn't anything where I looked at and I was like, this is the most exciting thing ever. This looks fantastic. It seemed like a solid gaming showcase and Assassin's Creed could be good, but I wish we could actually see them demonstrate something.
刺客信条游戏就像在Chromebook上通过互联网玩刺客信条游戏一样简单，你可以去尝试一下，我准备好了。我也想要一个。Addy，这个展示中有什么吸引你的地方吗？我们是否在任何酷炫的方式下推进了元宇宙游戏？要说明的是，我主要看了J的好公告。其中有些东西可能很不错。而且压力清洗模拟器也很不错。是啊，在VR中。我喜欢这个。但是没有让我感到特别激动人心的东西。看起来是一个不错的游戏展示，刺客信条可能不错，但我希望我们能看到他们演示一些东西。

Power wash simulator is such a good example to me because the thing that amazes me about VR and the thing that continues to give me hope about this is that it just is fun to do stuff. Like yeah, cooking simulator is fun. There's this very dumb game gorilla tag where like the graphics kind of suck. The game barely works, but it's super popular and very fun. And it's like it's just fun to do things in VR. And that's not going to be enough forever. It's probably not even enough now to really like sustain this thing as a mainstream, you know, prospect. The power washer is coming. It's so these games are so fun and so stupid. I want that. Yeah. I just want to do chores in my living room that are deeply satisfying, but not actually productive chores. Like yes, perfect. No notes. Yeah. Absolutely.
《高压水枪模拟器》对我来说是一个很好的例子，因为它令我惊叹于VR，也给了我对其的希望，那就是做任何事情都是有趣的。比如，烹饪模拟器很有趣。还有一个非常愚蠢的游戏叫大猩猩标签，虽然图形不好，游戏体验也不佳，但却非常受欢迎且非常有趣。而且在VR中做事情只是很有趣的。但这不会永远足够。可能现在甚至不能维持VR作为主流前景的发展。高压水枪模拟器来了。这些游戏非常有趣且非常愚蠢。我非常想要那种感觉。是的，我只想在我的客厅里做深度满足但真的没用的家务活。对，完美。没有意见。绝对是这样。

Now, VR is really it's really, really good at physical game stuff. I also, I love it for shooters for that reason. I think it's really cool. I think there's a lot of great stuff you can do in VR gaming and I'm really happy that the next product we get from meta is a gaming device. And I hope they lean into that so hard. I am not totally sure how what them leaning into it really hard looks like for me and AR because I do not have a lot of very large clean surfaces that I can project things onto. Fair. Yeah. I mean, if I'm meta, like, if the big goal of the company is to, you know, connect people and bring new things together and give people stuff to do, like the future looks like Roblox and Fortnite and that kind of stuff, like they should be building towards that and you can have a gaming machine that turns into all of the other stuff that you want over time. But like stop trying to do all of this other weird stuff in the interim.
现在，VR对于物理游戏方面确实非常出色，我也因此喜欢它的射击游戏。我认为这非常酷，VR游戏有很多出色的内容，我很高兴我们从Meta那里得到的下一个产品是一款游戏设备。我希望他们能够倾注更多的精力在这上面。对于我来说，我不太确定他们在AR方面如何加强，因为我没有很多干净平整的表面可以投影到。如果我是Meta，如果公司的大目标是连接人们，将新事物融合在一起并提供给人们玩的东西，那么未来就像Roblox和Fortnite，他们应该朝这个方向努力，随着时间的推移，你可以拥有一个游戏机器，它可以变成你想要的一切。但是，在此过程中停止尝试所有这些奇怪的事情。

It's like you can back from games into the metaverse and I feel like, if I'm meta, that's clearly the way I would go because that's the thing that's working for now. Apple seems to be on the road to trying something very different. So and that's that's the other headset thing we should talk about here is WWC is next week on Monday.
就好像你能从游戏中走入元宇宙，我感觉如果我是元宇宙，那显然是我会走的路线，因为现在元宇宙是很流行的。苹果似乎在尝试着做一些非常不同的事情。因此，我们在这里还应该谈谈另一件头显事情，而WWDC下周一就要来了。

What would we say? It's like 99% chance at this point we're going to get a headset. I would be shocked at this point if we don't get a headset. It would be pretty weird for them to have invited the VR headset people just to be like psych. It would be an amazing head fake. Just bring a bunch of them and they're like, let's talk about car play. The Elay is just like vibrating in the front row. Yeah, it would be unprecedented levels of tech company cruelty. It really would.
我们会说什么呢？目前这个时刻已经有99%的机会我们将会得到一个耳机。如果我们不得到一个耳机，我将感到非常震惊。他们邀请虚拟现实耳机的人只是想开个玩笑，并且带了一堆，却说：“让我们谈谈汽车玩具。”这将是一个惊人的欺骗。这种行为将提高技术公司的残忍程度。这真的会。

But so Adi, you've been following this thing forever. You've been talking to folks this week about how folks are feeling about the headset. Like what's your level of interest and excitement and curiosity about what else going on here? I don't know how to deal with the cognitive dissonance of everyone being incredibly excited by this headset and all of the people in an industry that I've followed for a very long time being extremely optimistic about it and then me looking at it and going, I still don't know what I want to do with this, which maybe Apple is it's great at being the I know now what to do with this company, but it's hard.
Adi，你一直关注这个东西。这周你和人们交谈，了解他们对这个头戴设备的感觉。你对这里还有其他方面的兴趣、激动和好奇心有多少？我不知道如何应对这种认知失调，因为所有人都对这个头戴设备感到非常兴奋，而我在跟随已经很长时间的行业人士非常乐观的同时，我看着它去想，我还是不知道我想做什么，也许苹果是一个擅长我现在知道该怎么做的公司，但这很难。

Yeah, but yeah, to your point. Yeah, a lot of people in AR, they feel like this is the point where maybe it could be cool. Maybe there's going to be a company. It is going to do a product that does actually just work that you're going to have something where you if you want to use your desktop with it or an app, you don't have to go through this really complicated sinking process of like downloading another client and setting up another account.
是的，但是确实有很多增强现实领域的人们认为，这可能是一个很酷的时机。也许会有一家公司做出一个真正可用的产品，你可以用它来在桌面或者应用程序中使用，无需经历复杂的同步过程，不需要下载其他客户端或设置其他账户。

You already have all of that, you could just drag a window from your iPhone to your headset or something that their discompany that has this really strong record with design, with making things very approachable, that it's going to be high end, but it sounds like from all the specs we know it's going to have just this ridiculously high end screen to the extent that might actually manage to sell pass through AR as something that feels kind of like looking at the real world.
您已经拥有所有这些，您只需将iPhone上的窗口拖动到您的耳机或者那些专注于设计和使事物易于接近的公司中的一家。据我们所知，它将是高端的，但从所有已知的规格来看，它将拥有极高端的屏幕，以至于它实际上可能会将透视AR的销售打造成一种类似于观看真实世界的感觉。

And so I think that all those things do feel like they're meaningfully different from what same meta is doing just because Apple is in a position to have advantages that meta doesn't have right now.
我觉得，由于苹果现在拥有一些元社交所没有的优势，所以所有这些事情都感觉像是与元社交所正在做的事情有着有意义的不同。

Yeah, I think I've gone back and forth on how I feel about the fact that this thing is reported to cost $3,000. So much money. I've actually come around to a place of like weird optimism about that fact because what it means in theory is that Apple can basically afford to throw every bit of power and spec and capability that it has into it. It can use Apple.
是的，我想我对这个报价为3,000美元的产品感受一直徘徊不定。这是很多钱。但最近，我对这个事实有了一些奇怪的乐观态度，因为这意味着苹果公司理论上可以投入所有的能力和规格到这个产品中。他们可以使用苹果公司所有的资源。

It's capable of making very good screens. It's capable of making like unparalleled processors in this space. It's capable of having really great cameras, right? Like if you just spare no expense and put all of that into one thing, like you can see how a lot of the pieces might actually come together in a cool way. The downside is it's going to cost $3,000. But maybe the upside is that as a result, it can actually like be good.
它有能力制造非常出色的屏幕。它有能力制造在这个领域中无人能及的处理器。它有能力拥有非常出色的相机，对吧？如果你不惜成本将所有这些都集成在一起，你会发现这些零部件可能会以一种很酷的方式结合起来。缺点是它将花费3000美元，但或许好处是由此产生的实际上很好。

I don't know, Alex, where's your head at right now? What are you thinking about? I think that this is like a turning point for ARVR regardless, like however, either way, this comes out, right? If this comes out and everybody's like, wow, this screen is really good. It turns out when you don't put a garbage screen in these things, it's an incredible experience and it makes everything better. And that could be really extraordinary, right?
我不知道，Alex，你现在在想些什么？你在思考什么？不管怎样，我觉得这是ARVR的一个转折点，无论如何，无论结果如何。 如果这个出来了，每个人都说，“哇，这个屏幕真的很好，当你不把一个垃圾屏幕放在这些设备上时，这将是一种难以置信的体验，并使一切变得更好。这可能真的很不同寻常，对吧？

And that could put more investment into better displays because the displays on every single headset out there right now is hot, hot garbage, even the really expensive ones, right? I don't think that's universally true, but for the, like VARJO. Yeah, VARJO is good. But if you're just talking about stuff that you're probably going to buy off the shelf as a consumer, a lot of it's not great.
这将会增加更多的投资于改进显示屏，因为现在市面上每个头戴装置的显示屏都很糟糕，即使一些非常昂贵的品牌也是如此，不是吗？我不认为这是普遍适用的，但是对于像 VARJO 这样的产品是好的。但如果你只是在谈论你可能作为消费者会购买的一些常规商品，很多并不是非常优秀的选择。

Yeah. And so I think like the opportunity to show that and prove that actually displays to make these, that could be really, really cool. But also the other side of this is if that's not enough, then VR is kind of dead and Apple looks really stupid. It's kind of where I'm sitting with it, like, because everybody, it's so many people.
是的，我认为展示和证明VR技术的机会可以让这些展示变得非常非常棒。但另一方面，如果这还不够，那么VR技术就像死了一样，而苹果也会看起来很愚蠢。这就是我的看法，因为有很多人都在关注着。

I mean, Addy, correct me if I'm wrong, but so many people are like, well, it's Apple. Apple doesn't come into these things without knowing what to do. Apple is really good at making up use cases for products when other people have struggled at it. But even Apple, like all the reports we've gotten about this product so far have been like, even Apple is worried about what the use cases are. It feels a lot like the watch where the watch came out and it took them a couple of years to figure it out. And like, they can't afford to do that with VR because VR, because at least with watches, other people have figured stuff out. There was enthusiasm behind these products with VR. It's not quite the same. So I'm actually really curious what they do with the VR side of the spectrum because if they made just a really good VR headset with good VR controllers, then people have figured out some compelling things to do, which are games. If you put Beat Saber on this, then, okay, it's not $3,000 worth of a thing. But it is you get to pick it up day one and there's something fun to do on it.
我的意思是，Addy，如果我错了，请纠正我，但很多人认为：“这是苹果，苹果不会进入这些事情而不知道该做什么。苹果在产品用例方面非常擅长，而其他人却为此挣扎。”但就连苹果，所有我们迄今得到的有关这个产品的报告都说，苹果甚至也担心用例是什么。这感觉很像手表，手表推出后花了几年时间才弄明白。像这种虚拟现实产品，他们承受不起这样的耗时，至少在手表方面，其他人已经找到了一些用例。但虚拟现实则不同。所以我非常好奇他们将如何处理虚拟现实这个方面，因为如果他们制造的只是一个真正好的虚拟现实头戴显示器和好的虚拟现实控制器，那么人们已经找到了一些具有吸引力的事情可做，比如游戏等。如果你在这上面玩《节拍光剑》这样的游戏，那么，好吧，它并不值3000美元，但第一天你可以开始玩，并且会有一些有趣的事情可做。

I don't know how Apple's going to control these things. That is my biggest open question. If it is just hand tracking, then that automatically locks out the vast majority of things that people have discovered are fun in VR headsets. I'm just thinking about playing Beat Saber with my hands and anyone walking in on that. I really appreciate the extent to which your life in VR is governed by what if someone opens the door into my living room while I'm playing VR. Because one time I was playing Beat Saber and really working up a sweat and I had the window open and on a ground floor apartment, everybody saw.
我不知道苹果将如何控制这些事情，这是我最大的开放性问题。如果只是手势跟踪，那就自动排除了大部分人发现在VR头戴显示器中有趣的事情。我想象着用手玩节奏切割游戏，而又有人进来看见我这样做，这种情况真的会很尴尬。我非常感激生活在VR中，它是基于这样一个前提：如果有人在我玩VR时打开门进来怎么办。因为有一次，我正在玩节奏切割游戏，汗水已经淋漓尽致，而窗户却开了，因为我住在一层的公寓，所有人都看到了。

No, see, I'm with Addie. You just have to lean into the pure chaos that is this. Like Mark Zuckerberg, when he posted about this this morning, the day that I was playing there's a thing buried in a six slide long thing that he posted on Instagram that's just him shadowboxing with the new headset on. He looks stupid because you have to look stupid in this thing. I genuinely believe that the only way forward is just not to care. This thing is just a shame defeating device and it's going to be healthy for all of us in that sense. But I think that's a hard sell for the vast majority of the human population.
不，听着，我和Addie一样。你只需要投入这个纯混乱的状态中，就像马克·扎克伯格今天早上发布帖子一样。在他发布的长达六张幻灯片的内容中，有一件事情埋藏在里面，那就是他戴上新头盔进行影子拳击，看起来很傻，因为你必须在这个东西中看起来很傻。我真诚地相信，前进的唯一途径就是不在意。这个东西只是一个打败自卑感的装置，从这个意义上讲，对我们所有人来说都是健康的。但我认为这对大多数人来说是很难接受的。

Shappell's going to resurrect the iPod headphones ad from 2007 or whatever and then we'll finally make these things cool. I think that is genuinely what a lot of people are really hoping is that. Finally, okay, well everything Apple does, someday you're going to look cool. Like, did you look objectively really terrible in AirPods? Yes, they looked dumb. But now we all have to accept that sometimes you'll look dumb because they're good. Yeah, I really think that is the thing people are most looking to Apple to do here. Like, the tech is one thing and I think bigger than just the like, how do you make one of these things good is the question of like, what do I do with this? And I think there are a lot of people who are going to be watching on Monday saying like, what is the killer app that Apple identifies?
Shappell计划重新推出2007年iPod耳机广告，以使这些东西变得酷起来。我认为许多人都真正期望这一点。终于，好吧，每个苹果做的东西迟早都会让你看起来很酷。像AirPods这样，你觉得它们真的很难看吗？是的，它们看起来很傻。但现在我们都必须接受有时候你会看起来很傻，因为它们很好用。是的，我真的认为人们最希望苹果在这里做的事情就是这样。像技术一样，我认为比如如何做好这些东西更重要的问题是，我该怎么用它？我认为有很多人会在星期一观看，问自己苹果找到的杀手级应用是什么。

My overwhelming theory is that it's FaceTime that I think Apple is going to spend a tremendous amount of time talking about FaceTime because like, good video chats is just like a thing that a headset can do very well now and that Apple is going to talk a lot about. But I totally agree. I think the single most like valuable thing Apple could and will try to do for this industry is make it less embarrassing to be seen in a headset. I don't know if that's possible. Like some of the rumors that have been out there are like the thing where it's going to have an outward facing display that shows your face. It's going to have your eyes on the front of it. Yeah. That is the most like dystopian thing I can possibly imagine. I am thrilled. I'm so excited. The way you just lit up at it, just thinking about it. I cannot imagine a worse idea like truly, like I would rather paint my own eyes onto the other side of it. But what if it's cool? It's like something from like a Terry Gilliam film or something. It's impossible for it to be cool. Alex is the answer to your question.
我的主要理论是，我认为苹果公司会花费大量时间谈论FaceTime，因为像好的视频聊天这样的东西，现在一个耳机就可以很好地实现了，苹果公司将会对此进行大量讨论。但我完全同意。我认为苹果公司可以并将尽力为这个行业做的最有价值的事情是让佩戴头戴式显示器不再尴尬。我不知道这是否可能。就像曾经传闻的那样，它将拥有一个向外展示你的面部的显示屏，它的眼睛在正面。是的。这是我可以想象到的最反乌托邦的事情。我很兴奋。你所表现的那种兴奋让我无法想象还有更糟的想法，真的，我宁愿把自己的眼睛画到它的另一侧。但如果它很酷呢？就像特里·吉列姆（Terry Gilliam）的电影一样。它不可能很酷。Alex是你问题的答案。

What if you're there you plan Beat Saber with your hands, not controllers and your eyes just staring vacantly out through the little external display and somehow Apple has made that cool. Like that would be incredible. I bet you could put on little fake glasses. You could put a little flair on them. Could do so many things with them, which brings me to my actual other question, which is you mentioned FaceTime.
如果你在那里，计划用双手而不是控制器玩节奏光剑，而你的眼睛只是茫然地注视着小小的外部显示屏，一些苹果炫酷的东西不知道如何做到了这一点。像那样简直太棒了。我打赌你可以戴上假眼镜。你可以在上面加上一些小装饰。可以做很多事情，这也带来了我的另一个实际问题，你提到了FaceTime。

What does that look like? Do you have like a emoji that is representing you and because it can track your face, you're doing FaceTime because it's clearly not an un just a clear video of your face. There's not a camera that can take a full video of your face. You don't want just like a super zoomed in just like this frame of your eyes. It can be your eyes. It's going to be really interesting to contrast the response to that to the almost universal derision of Meta's avatars. Yeah.
那是什么样子？你有没有像表现你的表情符号，因为它可以跟踪你的脸，你正在进行视频通话，因为这显然不是一个仅仅清晰的你的脸的视频。没有摄像头能够拍摄一整段你的脸的视频。你不想让它仅仅是一个超级缩放的你眼睛的画面。它可以是你的眼睛。将对此的响应与Meta公司人物形象的几乎普遍的嘲笑进行对比将非常有趣。是的。

I don't know. I feel like you guys actually used Memoji. Like, Memoji never appear in my like actual day of life. But maybe some people use them. I don't know. I made a Memoji of, remember Creepy Sonic? I love Creepy Sonic. Creepy original when they made the Sonic movie, when they first came out with the trailer, Sonic was creepy. And I immediately made a Memoji version of him. And I used it for ages until like my mom's best friend in their 70s messaged me something. And then she was like, why is your Memoji a little blue man? And I was like, oh, I should have dropped a clue. So now it's me with a cowboy hat. Why am I being haunted by this thing that you sent me? Yeah, but it's like, I don't know.
我不知道。我感觉你们实际上用过 Memoji。就好像在我的实际生活中从来没有出现过 Memoji，但可能有人用过。我制作了一个 Memoji，记得吓人的索尼克游戏吗？我喜欢吓人的索尼克游戏。当他们制作索尼克电影的时候，发布预告片时，索尼克很吓人。我立即制作了一个 Memoji 版本的他，并使用了很长时间，直到我的妈妈最好的朋友发信息给我，她已经七十多岁了，并问我为什么我的 Memoji 是一个蓝色的小人儿。我应该给她一个提示。所以现在是一个戴牛仔帽的我。我为什么要被你发送的这个东西困扰？但就像我说的，我不知道。

I use it with a lot of people who aren't like always online. We're not always in this space. And they all use it just so earnestly and so delightfully that I'm like, oh, that's kind of charming. And I could totally see like that friend of my mom's who thought I was messaging her from a little blue man being like, oh, it's a delight. Look at your little cartoon you with a cowboy hat on. You wear your little $3,000 headset. Me too. Like, I could see that happening, which is going to be great until you have to tell someone that like their dog died and you have to do it as a cartoon face. He's ruined now. Just creepy sonic.
我和很多不总是在线的人一起使用它。我们并不总是在这个虚拟空间里。他们都非常真诚地使用它，让我感觉很有趣。我可以完全看到我妈妈的朋友看到我的蓝色小人发信息给她的时候，会喜欢上它。看着你的小卡通形象穿上牛仔帽真的很可爱。你戴着你那 3000 美元的耳机，我也是。这很棒，直到你不得不告诉某人他们的狗死了，然后你必须以一个卡通表情来做到这一点。现在它被毁了。简直就像可怕的音速。

Sadly telling you your dog is dead. Like you basically you have creepy sonic telling you your dog is dead or you do the thing that met has been trying to work on for a while, which is to create these hyper realistic avatars that then you map your expressions onto and it just looks like a recreation of you. So it's like the final fantasy movie telling you your dog is dead. Yes. I mean, ideally without that part without the uncanny valley part, which is the big risk. So yeah, I just I think the how do you tell someone that their beloved pet is dead is like a difficult test for VR FaceTime. Can we make that a like a law like Addie's dead beloved dead pet law? If that's how I get my name to attach to a law, sure.
很遗憾地告诉你，你的狗狗已经去世了。就像你被奇怪的声音告知你的狗狗已经离世一样，或者你可以使用Met一直试图开发的技术——创建超逼真的虚拟形象，再将你的表情映射上去，这样看起来就像是你的复制品。就像最终幻想电影告诉你你的狗狗已经死了一样。是的，不过最好没有未知领域的风险（uncanny valley）。所以，我认为如何告诉某人他们心爱的宠物已经去世，是VR FaceTime面临的一项难题。能不能把这个变成一个法律，比如Adie逝去宠物法？如果可以让这个法律以我的名字命名，那当然可以。

It must be able to adequately say this without me going, oh, that's weird. I mean, yeah, you have to be able to say a serious thing over mass communication without it coming off as deeply inappropriate. Yeah. And sometimes we will still mess it up. I love that. Yeah, I think the other thing and we should we should switch gears here in a minute. But I think the other thing I'm trying to figure out and Addie having used all of these headsets, I'm curious what you're thinking about on this front too is like the question to me is what happens when you turn it on, right?
这句话必须要能够充分地表达出意思，不让我感到奇怪。我的意思是，即使在大众传播中表达严肃的事情，也必须避免被视为非常不当。有时我们仍然会出错，我非常喜欢这点。是啊，我们应该转移一下话题了。但我想，有一个问题我仍在思考，Addie使用过所有这些耳机之后，我很好奇你对这个问题有何看法？这个问题是，当你打开耳机时会发生什么？

Like I think it's there's a pretty good chance that Apple is going to have made good hardware, right? Like all the pieces are there. It's been a long time. I think there's a pretty good chance that this thing is going to be like a nice device. I have no idea what the software is going to look like. Like everything Apple has built is basically just like different size screens on which you run apps. And this thing which presumably it sounds like is going to be called XROS, which is a odd name, but there we go.
我认为很有可能苹果会推出一款很不错的硬件设备，对吧？因为所有的元素都已准备好了，经过了很长时间的准备。我认为这款设备将会非常棒。但是我不知道软件的外观如何。因为苹果所建立的一切都基本上只是在不同尺寸的屏幕上运行应用程序。而这款设备据说将会被称为XROS，这是个奇怪的名字，但是没关系。

The naming people on this thing have not done a great job. If it's really the reality pro and it runs XROS, like we blew it y'all. But anyway, this question of like what what happens when I put it on my face? And this is sort of true of all AR things. Like what is it supposed to show me? How does the how does it boot? Where does it go?
这个产品的命名团队做得不够好。如果它真的是Reality Pro并且运行XROS，那么我们就完蛋了。但无论如何，重点是：当我把它戴在脸上时会发生什么？这在所有AR产品中都是一个问题。这个产品应该向我展示什么？它是如何启动的？它去哪里了？

Like what what what is the right answer here? You've used all these things is like the meta home, the best thing we've done so far. The big question to me is whether you have to sync it with something.
这里的正确答案是什么？你已经使用了所有这些东西，就像超级家一样，这是我们迄今所做的最好的事情。对我来说，最重要的问题是你是否需要将它与某些东西同步。

Oh, interesting. Huge numbers of headsets right now either there's no other option or it's the best option is you install a phone app and the phone app handles stuff like logging into an account. And then it switches you over to the headset and you boot up and you see something like home. So I'm really curious what kind of dependencies it's going to have to other products and particularly other Apple products.
哦，很有意思。现在有大量的耳机，要么没有其他选择，要么安装一个手机应用程序是最佳选择，并且手机应用程序处理登录账户等等的事情。然后，它将你切换到耳机，你启动并看到类似于主页的东西。所以我真的很好奇它将对其他产品（特别是其他苹果产品）有哪些依赖关系。

And then yeah, I mean, there's the option that's home like an apps green home is the most attractive thing to me. There are people who have tried to do these sort of skeoomorphic you feel like you're in a real place. Like your own little home. I feel like no one's quite pulled that off. But I don't know. Maybe Apple has something else.
然后，我是说，我认为像一个应用程序绿色的家庭这样的选项最吸引我。有些人试图使用这种类似真实场景的设计来制造出让你感觉自己在一个真实的地方的效果。就像你自己的小家一样。我感觉还没有人完全做到这一点。但是我也不知道，也许苹果有其他的想法。

You're cool. If it just boots into what looks like a really big like iPad home screen. It's just like you're you're inside of your iPad. This is what I'm used to doing with the quest. Yeah, basically. I mean, technically my the quest has like a little home screen, but it's a row of icons to me. What would you want it to be otherwise? Like a house? I don't know.
你很酷。如果它只是启动成一个看起来像iPad主屏幕的大屏幕，那么它就像你在你的iPad中一样。这就是我习惯于使用Quest的方式。是的，基本上是这样。我的Quest技术上有一个小主屏幕，但对我来说它只是一行图标。你希望它变成其他的样子吗？像一个房子？我不知道。

I just this is why this is such an interesting question to me, right? Because I think the thing I believe strongly is that if the best we can do is basically port. iPad apps over so that they sort of appear in a window next to your face. That is failure. And we have ruined it. I think there's a decent chance that's what it's going to be at first, but like God help us if that's the best we ever figured out how to do because that's just Google Glass again.
我觉得这个问题非常有趣，因为我相信最好的做法不应该只是将iPad应用程序简单地移植过来，让它们在你面前的窗口中显示。如果我们只是这样做，那我认为这是失败的，我们已经破坏了这个技术。虽然开始的时候可能会是这样，但如果这是我们所能想到的最好方法，那真的太可怕了，这就像谷歌眼镜一样。

What was the HoloLens UI like? I look at because I remember I for me, HoloLens always feels like the North Star for user interface in AR feels like it. They solved a lot of the problems and a lot of the issues. Somebody at Microsoft is like fist pumping aggressively hearing you say that you guys did it. I mean, you didn't do it in that HoloLens never really left like development and being sold to the military, but you did it. You figured out like how to make the stuff work, but I genuinely can't remember what the startup situation was like.
HoloLens的用户界面是什么样的？我回忆起来，对我来说，HoloLens总是感觉像是AR用户界面的北极星。他们解决了很多问题和难题。微软的某个人听到你这样说时，一定非常兴奋。我是说，虽然HoloLens从来没有真正走出发展阶段和被军方销售，但你们确实做到了。你们想出了如何让这个东西工作，但我真的记不起来启动过程是什么样的了。

The HoloLens is a lot of like kind of floating elements in front of you in the world. It's like it just kind of it just like decorates your space with some stuff, which I think works more or less. Okay. I mean, that would make sense for something like this. I realized what the third option is. It's the fake watch. And I think that's what HoloLens ended up doing eventually, which is the you lift your wrist and contextually because there's cameras and they can tell that your wrist is there. They open up a thing that looks like a little fancy display with icons. That's not cool.
HoloLens就像在你面前的空间里漂浮着各种元素，就像是它只是给你的空间贴上一些东西，我认为这可以更好地工作。好吧，我觉得这对于这种东西来说很有意义。我意识到第三个选项是假表。我想这就是HoloLens最终做到的，它通过上下文来打开一个看起来像是带有图标的小而花式的显示屏，因为HoloLens上有摄像头，所以它可以感知到你的手腕。这样并不好。

I want that. I just think that's neat. Like it's just like if I'm going to be wearing it on my head, I want something different than what if I strapped a giant iPad to my face? I just feel like that's what it's going to be. That's what a lot of the reports have said. Yeah. And to some extent that's fine for the first one, right? Like it's it's a nice piece of hardware. It will run apps. It'll do the pass through video. You'll be able to like throw a big Netflix screen up here.
我想要那个。我觉得那个很棒。就像如果我要带着它在头上，我希望它不同于我像把一个巨大的iPad绑在脸上那样做。我只是觉得它会是那样子。很多报道都说了这一点。是的。在某种程度上，对于第一代产品来说这很好，不是吗？它是一台不错的硬件设备。它可以运行应用程序。它可以进行“通过视屏”。你可以在这里放上一大块Netflix电影屏幕。

Like I was thinking this morning about the thing. Mark Zuckerberg said it at I think it was back when it was called Facebook Connect a bunch of years ago about like the north star of this is you can just project a television onto your wall and you just have like a virtual TV that sits there. I kind of think that is the vibe that we're going to get from the first run of Apple's headset that is just like, I just want to watch Netflix and just like Netflix.
今天早上我在想这件事情。马克·扎克伯格几年前在Facebook Connect时说过，这个产品的北极星是让你把电视投影到墙上，然后你就能拥有一个虚拟的电视在那里。我觉得这可能就是苹果头盔初版的感觉，就是我只是想看Netflix，就像真正的Netflix一样。

Question for this is how do you end up? How do you watch Netflix with like your roommate or your kid? Because you're both watching different Netflix's. Do you have a way to sync them up? Like I think that Apple has to be just normal enough to recognize that people are maybe going to want to watch things with other people and that they're going to want to come up with the situation and we'll let them do this. You buy a headset precisely so you never have to speak to your children again.
问题在于，你最终会怎样？如果你与室友或孩子一起观看 Netflix，你会怎样？因为你们观看的是不同的 Netflix。你有办法将它们同步吗？我认为，苹果必须足够普通，以认识到人们可能会想要与其他人一起观看内容，并且他们会想到解决方案，让他们能够这样做。你买耳机正是为了永远不必再与孩子交谈。

Like that's that's just what it is. They can't admit that. No, but they can't because a friend a friend of mine this morning sent me a photo and she's like babysitting her two nephews and she's got two sons. She sends me a picture and it's all four boys in her kitchen all on their own iPads, all with their own headphones and all doing their own thing. And I was like, that is totally foreign to me.
这就是现实，他们无法承认。不，但他们无法承认，因为我的一个朋友今天早上给我发了一张照片，她在照看她的两个侄子，还有她自己的两个儿子。她给我发了一张照片，上面展示了四个男孩在她的厨房里，各自拿着自己的iPad，戴着自己的耳机，各自做着自己的事情。我很惊讶，因为这对我来说是完全陌生的。

Like one, nothing like that before breakfast, but two, like usually the TV would be on and we'd all be watching Arthur or whatever cartoon was on or news if my mom vetoed us. And they don't do that as often anymore, right? Like a lot of people don't do that. They go and they watch their own things. The kid everybody sits down for family time and it's we're physically in the same room as the family time. I don't want to watch the Little Mermaid movie. You watch that and I'm going to go watch succession with my headphones on.
有一天早餐时，只有一个人在那里，没有任何人跟他分享。平常我们都会在早餐时看电视，看《亚瑟》或其他任何卡通片或新闻，如果我妈妈反对的话。但现在他们并不经常这样做了，对吧？很多人都不再这样做了。他们会去看自己喜欢的东西。但在小孩休息的时候，每个人都坐在一起，享受家庭时间。我们都在同一个房间里度过时光。我不想看《小美人鱼》电影，你看那个，我就带着耳机看《继承者》。

Okay, maybe I should be more clear in that I don't know about kids. I do definitely watch Netflix with my husband. Okay. This isn't for you. Yeah, it's a lot of people have like people that they love that they want to share experiences with that. Okay, but even if we're not in with it, have you ever watched like a tech company? Any keynote they posit all kinds of social uses for things that make me feel like some kind of horrible shut in everything they announce is like, so you know when you have your 30 friends over from potluck, like they have to find some way to make that play.
也许我应该更清楚地表达我对孩子的看法不确定。但我确实和我的丈夫一起看Netflix。不过这不是关于你的问题。很多人都有他们爱的人，想和他们分享经历。但是即使我们不在其中，你看过科技公司的产品发布会吗？他们会提出各种各样的社交使用方式，让我感觉像个可怕的宅男，每次发布的东西都像是你要邀请30个朋友一起来聚会，他们必须找到某种方式来实现。

Yeah, or like when they when they do the iPad AR stuff and they're like, you know how you and your friends gather around a table and play Dungeons and Dragons through your iPads? It's like, yes, me and my friends, we do that for sure. All the time. 100% of the time. Only thing we do. Yeah, that's that is fair. I guess that plays into what they're going to do with FaceTime too, right? Like it's that same it's that same situation of how do we make this social without being weird and creepy and hopefully Apple figured that out. Right guys? Yeah, we'll see.
这句话的意思是：是的，就像他们在iPad上做AR项目时说的，你知道你和你的朋友聚在一起，在iPad上玩龙与地下城，是的，我和我的朋友确实这样做。一直都是这样。100%的时间都是这样。这是公平的。我猜这也与他们将在FaceTime上实现的目标有关，对吧？像这样的社交互动，如何既不过于奇怪又不会令人毛骨悚然，希望苹果已经想出了解决方案，是吗，大家？我们拭目以待。

All right, we're we need to switch gears and take a break. But before we go, you each have to give me one prediction about something that's going to happen with the headset on Monday. Ideally, something that has not been reported or talked about. I'll go first while you guys think I think they're going to be colors. I think this thing is going to come in like a wide, maybe not that wide, but in a variety of like cool, interesting colors, there might be a purple, like it's going to be very important to Apple that this thing is like nice to look at and wear. And so they're going to do a lot of the same stuff they did with the watch and try to make a case that this is like a lovely fashion object and it won't work, but they're going to try. That's my theory.
好的，我们需要换个档，休息一下。但在走之前，你们每个人必须给我一个有关耳机在星期一将会发生的预测。最好是一些还没有被报道或讨论过的东西。我先来，你们想想。我认为它们会有颜色。我认为这个东西将会以各种很酷、有趣的颜色出现，可能会有紫色，对于苹果公司来说，这个东西好看且易于佩戴非常重要。因此，他们会像对待手表一样使用相同的策略，试图让人们相信这是一个美丽的时尚物品，虽然这并不一定奏效，但他们会试着去做。这就是我的理论。

Addy, what's yours? I think my theory is very similar to yours, but which is that they will have faces the way that they have for Apple Watch, but it will literally be on your face. And that that will be what the front screen is for. And like if you are out in full AR mode, then it will be your face and maybe you can, I don't know where funny glasses. Otherwise it's off to signal that you are dead to the world, but you can put something really cool that looks on it. I like that. You can put something that looks really cool on it. That's a good idea.
Addy，你呢？我认为我的理论与你的很相似，但是我认为他们将会像 Apple Watch 一样拥有面部屏幕，但实际上将出现在你的脸上。这也将是正面屏幕的用途。如果你是在完全的增强现实模式下，那么它将展示在你的脸上，也许你需要戴上一些有趣的眼镜。否则，它将关闭，以示你与这个世界无关，但你可以在上面放置一些非常酷的东西。我喜欢这个想法。你可以在上面放置很酷的东西。这是个好主意。

So we got. The controller will be the iPhone. I think somebody already reported this, but I still think it's true. Like you're going to hold it in your hand. Yeah. You will play Beat Saber with your iPhone, which means we'll probably at some point get a little MagSafe strap for your iPhone. I have my iPad in one hand, my iPhone in the other, and I'm just going to be crushing Beat Saber. It's going to be unbelievable. Flinging things into the TV at all times. I can't wait to like punch a wall with my phone. It's going to be great. Then you have the new one. It's going to be great.
我们有了一个消息，控制器将是iPhone。我想有人已经报导了这个消息，但我仍然认为这是真的。就像你要拿着它玩游戏一样。是的。你将使用iPhone玩Beat Saber，这意味着我们可能会在某个时候为你的iPhone设计一个小的MagSafe带子。我将一只手拿着iPad，另一只手拿着iPhone，然后就可以疯狂地玩Beat Saber。这将是不可思议的。随时向电视扔东西。我迫不及待地想要用手机砸墙。这将会很棒。然后你会有一个全新的。这将是很棒的。

We need to take a break. Addy, thank you. I suspect we will be regrouping a week from now to talk about all this stuff and all the things we got wrong. But thank you and we'll see you then and we will be right back.
我们需要休息一下。Addy，谢谢你。我猜想我们会在一周后重新组合讨论我们在这些事情上以及犯下的错误。但是感谢你，我们到时候会再见并回来的。

Alright, we're back. Dan C for tier. Hi, Dan. Hello. We have a lot to talk about. I went through and like tried to make a list of all of the rumors and reporting that there have been for WWDC and it's it's a lot. Do you guys want to do software first or max first because those feel like kind of the two big categories here? I like Max more. We should do software. Those are the two big categories. That's what's been rumored for WWDC. Well, we already talked about the big category. You're coming in for the scraps here, Dan. I hate to break down into you.
好的，我们回来了。丹尼尔C来参加。你好，丹尼尔。你好。我们有很多话要说。我整理了一份所有WWDC的传言和报道的清单，这真的很多。你们想先谈论软件还是Mac，因为这两个似乎是重点类别？我更喜欢Mac。我们应该先谈论软件。这两个是重点类别。这是WWDC的传言。好吧，我们已经谈论过重点类别了。你现在只剩下剩下的东西，丹尼尔。我很抱歉告诉你。

Let's do max first because I think this is not normally a super hardware event. We'll get like the occasional thing we got an M2 MacBook Air last year. Right. But it comes in. I'll say HomePod. Yeah, like I said, normally not a hardware event. I would just say nothing would make me happier than if Apple spent like two hours telling us about a headset and then Tim Cook is like and also a HomePod and then just leaves. That's what the HomePod deserves as far as I'm concerned. Figures cost. We made the HomePod even smaller. Goodbye.
首先我们先讨论Max，因为我觉得这并不是一个特别重要的硬件事件。我们只是偶尔会获得一些东西，比如去年我们得到了一个M2 MacBook Air。没错。但如果出现HomePod，那我会说，通常这不是一个硬件事件。我只想说，如果苹果花两个小时讲述耳机的情况，那我会感到欣慰，并且蒂姆·库克说：“我们还有一个智能音箱HomePod。”然后就离开了。我觉得HomePod应该得到这样的待遇。讨论成本吧，我们把HomePod变得更小了。再见。

But there are a bunch of slightly conflicting rumors about what's coming high end Max, low end Max, Dan. Yeah. Dan, do you have a good grasp on the situation here? I think we're in a weird position this year because normally by June, Apple has already announced new Max. Well, that's true. There's usually that March event, right? Right. We didn't have a spring event. We had this weird announcement in January for the M2 Pro and M2 Max chips, which were in the Mac mini and then new MacBook Pros that we didn't have anything happen in the spring.
但是有一堆关于即将推出的高端Max、低端Max和丹的略微相互冲突的传言。是的，丹，你对这里的情况有了很好的了解吗？我认为今年我们处于一个奇怪的位置，因为通常情况下到了6月，苹果已经宣布了新的Max。嗯，那是真的。通常会有那个三月份的活动，对吧？对。我们没有春季活动。我们在一月份有了这个奇怪的公告，关于M2 Pro和M2 Max芯片，它们在Mac mini中出现，并且是新的MacBook Pro，我们在春季没有任何事情发生。

And here we are in June. It's WWDC. And the rumors have been for a long time that Apple has been working on a 15 inch MacBook air that it also has been working on an M3 chip because the M2 chip is now a year old. And now most recently, the rumors are that an updated Max studio with M2 Max and M2 Ultra chips, Ultra being the newest one that hasn't yet been announced, maybe announced as well. What's weirdly missing from all this is a Mac Pro. Yeah, which hello, let's see. It's been a year in change since they said that's for another day about the Mac Pro.
现在已经到了六月份，苹果公司举行了WWDC开发者大会。这段时间流传许多传言称，苹果正在研发一款15英寸的MacBook Air，并且正在开发M3芯片，因为M2芯片已经一年之久了。最近的传言则是，一款更新版的Max studio，搭载M2 Max和M2 Ultra芯片，其中Ultra是最新的，尚未官宣，也可能会随之公布。让人意外的是，从这一切中可以看到的确缺少一款Mac Pro，这可让人感到奇怪。是啊，他们说Mac Pro有另外的规划，但这已经一年过去了，怎么还没有消息呢？

I think they're kind of screwed on the Mac Pro. Why? Because they want to announce it with the fanciest processors, right? But the fanciest processors always come second. They always announce the M2, then the M2 Max, the M1, the M1 Max. And they took a long time to get these M2 Max Pro versions out, right? Like the M2 was last WWDC, it debuted with the MacBook Air. And then it was until January that we got the M2 Pro and M2 Max. And now we're here a year later expecting possibly to get an M2 Ultra. So it has taken them a long time to get these like iterations of the M2 base chip out. And the way that the pace of their development goes is like the M3 is if you read the tea leaves and believe the rumors right around the corner. So they set themselves up because now if they release the M2 Ultra with a Mac Pro, okay, cool. Oh, now you're just going to announce the M3 in six months. Why should I get it?
我认为Mac Pro它们有些颓势。为什么？因为他们想要用最高端的处理器来发布它，对吧？但最高端的处理器总是落后的，他们总是先发布M2、M2 Max、M1、M1 Max。而他们花了很长时间才推出这些M2 Max Pro版本，对吧？像M2是上一届WWDC时推出的，与MacBook Air一同推出。然后到了1月份我们才得到了M2 Pro和M2 Max。现在一年后，我们有望获得可能的M2 Ultra。所以他们花了很长时间才推出这些M2芯片的迭代版本。而他们的开发速度也在加快，如果您相信传言，M3就在不远处。所以他们把自己设定了，因为如果他们发布带有M2 Ultra的Mac Pro，那好吧，那么你现在只要6个月后就要发布M3了，我为什么要购买呢？

And then also, oh, you're going to announce it first with the studio, which in many respects is kind of the pro. It's very, very good. I've got one. I podcast on it right now. It's wonderful. Like there's stuff that professionals certainly need better in outs like stuff like that. Expandability, yep. But is that going to be enough? Yeah, I don't know. Like if they come out with an M2 Ultra next week and stick it in the on a refreshed Mac studio, it was an open question of like what is there for the Mac Pro to have, right? Like is there like what's above Ultra, right? And I think that's what you're driving at right now.
然后，哦，你要先与工作室发布它的消息，这在很多方面都是优势。这非常好。我有一个。我现在正在用它做播客。它非常好用。对于专业人士来说，需要更好的外部拓展性等方面的东西。但这就足够了吗？是的，我不知道。如果他们下周推出M2 Ultra，并将其放入更新的Mac工作室中，那么为Mac Pro有什么可以提供的？就像Ultra之上还有什么，这是一个未知的问题。我认为这就是你现在要表达的。

And I think the one thing about the Mac Pro that you kind of alluded to is that is different from the Mac studio is expandability. And nobody has really even like none of the rumors, none of the reporting has really kind of alluded to how Apple might address that in the M architecture world where RAM is like basically all on the same die. They don't support third party GPUs. You're not sticking an AMD GPU in it. There aren't expansion cards for audio drivers or whatever professional stick in a Mac Pro. Like none of that exists and there hasn't been any reporting around it. So like it's very unclear. And their solution is just thunderbolt, right? Like the last time they did the Mac Pro, there was some pretty cool stuff there even if it was super expensive and majority people didn't have any use for it.
我觉得，你提到的Mac Pro与Mac Studio不同之处就是可扩展性。目前，没有任何谣言或报道提到苹果将如何解决在M架构世界中的可扩展性问题，因为RAM基本上都在同一颗芯片上。并且，他们不支持第三方GPU，你不能将AMD GPU插入其中。也没有扩展卡可以用于音频驱动程序或其他专业装置在Mac Pro上。这个问题还没有得到解决。苹果的解决方案就只有Thunderbolt。即使上一次Mac Pro推出时，它的一些功能非常酷，但仍然非常昂贵，大多数人都没有什么用处。

It was still cool. You could run a lot of GPUs at like very high bandwidth. You could run GPUs. They had accelerator cards. You could add more thunderbolt ports. So like you could expand it a lot. And in this case, it's like, well, their solution right now for expandability is thunderbolt.
它依然很酷。你可以运行很多GPU，带有非常高的带宽。你可以运行GPU，还有加速器卡。你可以增加更多的雷电端口。因此，你可以大大扩展它。而在这种情况下，它们目前用于扩展性的解决方案是雷电。

Yeah. And you don't need a tower for that because of thunderbolts, just a little USB-C style plug. So where do you go? And if you don't need the GPUs. And if this other stuff, they're so reluctant to work with other people, the whole point of expandability is that you can work with other products. You don't have to rely entirely on one company. And that's kind of the antithesis of what Apple's computer philosophy is at this point. So how does that work? And I think this is a can. They're going to kick down the road for a very long time until they then invite a bunch of Apple bloggers to show off and be like, we really care about the pro community.
“是的。由于雷电，你不需要一个塔来完成这个操作，只需要一个小USB-C风格的插头。那么，你要去哪里呢？如果你不需要GPU，而且如果其他设备也不愿意和其他人合作，那么扩展性的整个意义就是你可以与其他产品合作。你不必完全依赖于一个公司。这在某种程度上是与苹果电脑哲学完全相反的。那么，这怎么工作？我认为这是一个问题。他们将长时间推迟该问题，直到他们邀请一些苹果博客来展示并宣称他们真的关心专业社区。”

And look at this new one that nobody else can see yet. It'll come out in six years. Yeah, you basically only have to do that once every five years, it seems, and people will get on board. But I think you're exactly right. Because to me, the thing about the pro was always that they could get away with it because the pro would just continue being a very good computer for a very long time.
看看这个还没有任何人看到的新产品，它将在六年后发布。看起来只需要每五年做一次这样的产品，人们就会跟上潮流。但我认为你说得很对。因为对我来说，专业版的好处在于它能够长时间保持高性能，因此可以一直使用很长时间。

In part because it was expandable. Well, you know, they had that whole 2013 model. Well, unless. I love that trash can. Except when Apple ruined it on purpose for some reason. But like the towers lasted a long time because you could add stuff they were expandable.
这部分原因之一在于它是可扩展的。你知道的，他们有那个2013年的型号。除非...我喜欢那个垃圾桶。除了当苹果故意破坏它的时候，理由不明。但是像塔一样，它们持续了很长时间，因为你可以添加东西，它们是可扩展的。 意思：这段话谈论了计算机中的扩展性，作者喜欢一个垃圾桶的设计，但是对于苹果有意破坏的行为感到不满，指出扩展性能够使计算机更加耐用。

As long as the processor was enough, you could add everything else that you needed. And I believe that even for the 2019 model, which is the most recent one that has the cheese grater front end and stuff like that, the M series chips now are probably outpacing the Intel Zions that are in there. But because of that expandability, if you needed a lot of GPU grunt, you can still beat the best M2 Max chip on GPU horsepower in a Mac Pro by just sticking more cards in there and running them together and things like that. And so like it is still got an edge over, even though the processor is probably not as good.
只要处理器足够强大，你就可以添加其他任何需要的部件。我相信即使是2019年那个最新的拥有“奶酪磨砂”外观等等的型号，M系列芯片现在也可能超过其中的英特尔Zions。但由于可扩展性，如果需要大量GPU性能，即使只是通过添加更多的卡并将它们一起运行等等方式，你仍然可以超越Mac Pro最佳的M2 Max芯片的GPU性能水平。所以即使处理器可能不是那么好，它仍然具有优势。

It certainly is using more power off the wall and all those things, the RAM is not as fast, whatever it might be. But for those very specific use cases, yeah, to your point David, it's still relevant and fast and powerful.
它在使用电源和内存速度等方面确实更耗费一些能源。但对于那些非常特定的用例，像你说的David，它仍然是相关和快速且强大的。

Have we heard anything from Apple from rumor sites about modularity in the processors for the M series? Because of the way my understanding at least, because of the way the M processors. They're like soldered on.
我们从谣言网站上听说了关于M系列处理器模块化的任何消息吗？因为据我所知，M处理器的设计方式类似于焊接在一起。

Yeah, it's not just the processor, right? It's the whole system. And like unified memory is really kind of like the thing that nobody knows how Apple is going to address for something like a Mac Pro where you could have terabytes of RAM.
是的，这不仅仅是处理器的问题，对吧？整个系统也是很重要的。就像统一内存这种东西，大家都不知道苹果如何解决像 Mac Pro 这样的设备，它可能配备了几TB的RAM。

What if the Mac Pro ends up being like, you just buy additional Mac studio boards and just plug in board after board, then they make a ton of money, but also theoretically that makes a really super fast. Yeah, I mean, that would be that would be very cool. That would be the ultimate dream of modularity.
如果Mac Pro变成这样，你只需要购买额外的Mac studio board，并且一块块地插入就可以了，这样他们会赚很多钱，但理论上也会变得非常快。是的，我的意思是，那将是非常酷的。那将是模块化的终极梦想。

20,000 dollars base model price. I have no idea what kind of interface would allow for that kind of bandwidth. They'd have to build it, right? Like they'd have to do it all themselves. So that's what they did with the previous ultra, the M1 Ultra that's in the current Mac studio.
基础型售价为2万美元。我不知道能够支持这种带宽的界面是什么样的。他们一定要自己建立，对吧？就像他们之前为创建当前Mac工作室中的M1 Ultra所做的一样，他们必须全部自行完成。

It is two M1 Mac chips with a special interconnect between them talking to them. That is all on like the board level though, that is not like a modular thing that you can pull apart. So it would be an interesting thing. But again, I think to what everyone here is saying is that it's kind of a little bit of like a pipe dream wish casting for the Mac Pro because there just hasn't been any evidence in terms of like what they're going to do with it.
这是两个带有特殊互联的M1芯片相互通信。不过这只是在电路板层面上的情况，不能像模块化一样轻松拆分。这将是一个有趣的事情。但是，我认为大家都在说的是，对于Mac Pro来说，这有点像幻想。因为目前还没有证据表明他们将如何处理它。

The only thing we have to work on is John Turner is saying a year ago that the Mac Pro is a story for another day.
我们需要关注的唯一事情就是约翰·特纳（John Turner）在一年前所说的话，即Mac Pro是另一个故事。

Well, it also makes me wonder if part of what Apple is stalling for here is to own even more of the ecosystem. Like I don't know that Apple wants to be a company that like sells RAM on its own separately. But like, I mean, it would love to mark it up. It sure would. Yeah. But like does Apple want to be a GPU company that starts to put some of that stuff in?
那么，这也让我想到苹果公司是否在耗时间来拥有更多的生态系统。我并不知道苹果是否想成为像单独出售内存的公司。但是，苹果公司很愿意抬高价格，这是肯定的。但是，苹果公司是否想成为一个GPU公司，开始投资一些相关领域呢？

Like do they is the ultimate goal here to give you that extensibility and modularity, but it's all Apple products all the way down? That to me feels like at least as far as like Apple considers itself as a company, kind of the most on brand path forward. It's a hell of a lot of work and involves getting into a lot of businesses. Apple has not traditionally been in, but like they got a big team with a lot of track record building really great chips now.
这句话的意思是，像“Like do they is”这样的技术目标的最终目的是为了给你提供更高的扩展性和模块化，但它只使用苹果的产品。对我来说，这至少在苹果公司自己的看法中是品牌推进的最好方式。这需要大量的工作，涉及很多苹果传统上没有涉足的业务领域，但他们现在有一个庞大的团队，拥有大量建立卓越芯片的经验。

Like I would not be shocked if they're like, here are all these extra pieces, but we sell all of them and they all cost $8,000. I just wonder if this delay with the Mac Pro just kind of speaks to how small of a business it actually is for Apple. And like it's clear that like the M series chips are not either Apple's not able to produce them as fast as it wants to or develop them as fast as it wants to. And so it's putting all of the weight of its development stuff into the computers that people are actually buying.
我不会感到惊讶，如果他们说：“这里有很多额外的零件，但我们把它们全部卖出去了，每个售价都达到了8000美元。”我只是想知道Mac Pro的延迟是否反映了苹果公司实际上并不是一个很大的企业。 很明显，M系列芯片要么是苹果无法按照自己的意愿来生产它们或者快速开发它们，因此它把所有的开发重点放在人们实际购买的电脑上。

Like it's putting, it puts the M2 first in a MacBook Air. It's the most popular laptop in the world. The M3 is probably going to show up in a MacBook Air again, the most popular laptop in the world. And then it will trickle down the line. It'll get to the MacBook Pros, which are the next line. And then it will make it to the studio. And then if there's enough left in the supply chain, maybe one day for those four people that want a Mac Pro.
就像推杆一样，它把M2首先放在MacBook Air中。这是全球最受欢迎的笔记本电脑。M3可能会再次出现在全球最受欢迎的MacBook Air中，然后它将逐渐在产品线中展开。它将到达MacBook Pro，这是下一代的产品线，然后再到达工作室。然后，如果供应链中有足够的剩余，也许某天会为那些想要Mac Pro的四个人提供服务。

Well, I mean, that's kind of, that's what Intel and AMD do, right? Like they typically, their releases are typically like the, I think it's usually the desktop gaming GPUs are announced first. And that's because that's where a really big market for them is. And they switch this around sometimes, they do do their super low energy processors first because laptops and they want to sell a lot of laptops. But they do think a lot about that market and like, where's our biggest market? Let's focus there first.
我指的是Intel和AMD的做法。通常，它们的发布会中会首先宣布桌面游戏GPU的产品。这是因为这是它们的一个很大的市场。有时候，它们也会先发布超低功耗处理器，因为它们想要卖出更多的笔记本电脑。但是它们会考虑到市场的需求，着重放在最大的市场上。

So I don't think it was ever confusing that Apple was like, yeah, we're going to do our cheapest, fastest, easiest, produced thing. Sure. In our cheapest, most popular device. Sure. It's just we are now about to be on the cusp of a third generation of these chips. And still nothing at that Mac Pro level. So I just wonder, like you said, Alex, is it just going to keep getting kicked down the road because the priorities are always going to go towards making sure they are satisfying demand for the things that the vast majority of people are buying? We will see a second generation of the mixed reality headset before we see a Mac Pro. I'm just, I am happy to put money on that right now. Oof, there are a bunch of video editors who just got real sad listening to that. I'm sorry. Sorry to all of you video editors.
我认为，苹果一直以来都没有让人感到困惑，他们的目标一直是做最便宜、最快、最容易生产的产品，而这些产品当中最便宜的又最受欢迎。现在我们面临的问题是，我们即将进入第三代芯片时代，但是Mac Pro水平的产品还没有出现。就像Alex所说的，是否会因为重心一直放在确保满足大多数人购买需求而拖延推出高端产品呢？在我们看到Mac Pro之前，我们将会看到第二代混合现实头盔的推出。我可以打赌。对于那些制作视频的人，听到这个消息可能会感到悲伤，我很抱歉。

But I do think the other part of this, and then we should get back to the stuff that's actually real I'm going to watch. Sorry, Mac Pro. The studio, at least from what I've heard anecdotally, for most people was a pretty clean replacement and in many cases, improvement on the Mac Pro. It's stupid, powerful. It's much smaller. It's much easier to like run and manage. It's a lot cheaper and it's like the studio plus studio display thing seems to have made a lot of really high-end needy Apple users really, really happy.
我认为我们应该回到实际观看的内容，但我认为这方面也很重要。抱歉，Mac Pro。就我所听到的，工作室对于大多数人来说是一个非常干净的替代品，很多情况下甚至比Mac Pro更好。它非常强大，体积更小，操作和管理也更容易。它的价格更加实惠，工作室和显示器的组合使很多需要高端苹果用户感到非常满意。

And it's fast. I remember talking with Chris Person, who's been on the show before, friend of the Verge, and he's a video editor and I was like, yeah, I got a Mac studio and I was kind of like, uh, because I'm talking to you and your video editor and you know what you're talking about. So you probably think this is dumb. And he's like, no, I just got one. It's the most incredible thing in the world. I can do everything so much faster than I could do with any home built computer. This has changed my entire workflow. It's really is the hype cannot even begin to compare. And I was like, well, you're not a dude prone to hyperbole. And that sounded really hyperbolic. So holy crap. And that's what I've heard over and over and over again from other people too, is just like, no, the thing just flies and it does what they need so well. And yeah, you've got Thunderbolt for when you need to, when you need that like grunt work, I got to just move files and stuff like that.
它速度快。我记得曾经与曾经出现在节目中、Verge的朋友Chris Person交谈，他是一名视频编辑师。我说我有一台苹果电脑工作室，我感到有点紧张，因为我正在与你这位视频编辑师交谈，你知道你在说什么。所以你可能觉得这很愚蠢。但他说，不，我刚买了一台。这是世界上最神奇的东西。我能够比任何自制电脑更快地完成所有工作。这改变了我的整个工作流程。真的，它的功能完全不虚张。让我特别惊讶的是，你不是一个容易夸大其词的人。而这却听起来非常夸张。这也是我从其他人那里听到的一再反复的话，就是这台电脑真的飞快，可以很好地完成他们所需要的一切工作。当然，当你需要运行更大的文件时，你还有雷雳端口来提供更强的支持。

I will say if they are going to bump the chips on the studio, which it seems like by all accounts, the rumors are pointing towards there's no real design changes or anything like that. It will be a little disappointing if they don't address some of the complaints been with the studio. There's been a lot of user complaints about the fan noise. Alex, I don't know if that's been an issue for you. I got the base model. A lot of very particular people don't like it. Wait, they don't like that there's too much of it or they don't like the like specific sound of the fan. Apparently, it sits at a low RPM of like 2000 RPM constantly. It does not show. I see. And so like that's really weird for the M series MacBook Pros, which almost never turned their fans on. The next studio constantly has its fan on.
我觉得如果他们要对工作室的芯片进行升级，所有的流言似乎都指向这个方向，没有真正的设计改变或类似的事情。如果他们不解决工作室的一些问题，会让人有些失望。有许多用户对风扇噪音提出了抱怨。Alex，我不知道你是否也遇到过这个问题。我有基础型号，很多挑剔的人不喜欢。他们是因为声音太大还是因为风扇的特定声音？显然，风扇的转速低到像2000 RPM这样，而且一直保持在这个转速，这对于M系列的MacBook Pro来说是非常奇怪的，因为它们几乎从不开启风扇。而下一代工作室则不断地开启风扇。

And some people in quiet environments, maybe they're particular about the sound of it or whatever, don't like it. Hold on. Hold on. No, nothing. Alex's hearing is too damaged. And then I think, you know, things like the HDMI port, if I'm not mistaken, is 2.0 and so 2.1 stuff like that where like they could upgrade it and make it better.
有些人在安静的环境中，可能会对声音特别挑剔，不喜欢它。等一下。等一下。不，没事。Alex的听力太受损了。然后我想，你知道，像HDMI接口之类的东西，如果我没记错的话，是2.0，所以2.1之类的东西可以升级，使它变得更好。

But yeah, it seems like to, you know, what you were saying, Alex is like, there really isn't much to do to the Mac studio to make it better other than bring it up to the next generation, make it even more powerful than it already is. Give me two HDMI ports. No, because I'm tired of having to use a weird Thunderbolt. If I know one thing about Apple, it's that giving you more ports is not what Apple is interested in. They did put a lot on the studio to be fair. That is true. It's got an SD card slot. So like listen, we'll take what we can get.
嗯，就像你说的那样，Alex，似乎并没有太多可以做来改进Mac工作室，除了将其升级到下一代，使其变得比现在更加强大。给我两个HDMI端口。不，因为我厌倦了使用奇怪的Thunderbolt。如果有一件事我知道苹果公司感兴趣的，那就是给你更多端口。但公平来说，他们确实在工作室上投入了很多。确实如此，它有一个SD卡插槽。所以，我们会尽可能地利用它。

But I think that the 15 inch era, I think to me is fascinating because I think back to last year and the M2 air comes out, they do kind of a like gentle redesign of it that I still don't love. I still think the wedge is like one of the greatest. I think it was a big redesign. I mean, that was a pretty significant redesign. Yes. In as much as you can redesign a 13 inch laptop that still looks like a 13 inch laptop, you know what I mean? It's like, we're not sort of reinventing the wheel here, but it did change what like a 11 year old idea about how the air works. So like I'll give you that. It was a big change. Yeah, it went from a wedge to a square. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
我认为15英寸时代非常有趣，因为我回想去年M2 Air的发布，他们进行了一个轻微的改版，但我仍然不喜欢它。我认为楔形塑造是最伟大的之一。这是一个很大的改版。尽管它仍然看起来像13英寸的笔记本电脑，但它确实改变了11年来关于Air工作方式的想法。所以我承认，它是一个很大的变化。是的，它从楔形变成了正方形。

But really the story of that laptop and what you found when you reviewed it then is that the M2 was not such a meaningful upgrade over the M1 as to make it like a must buy. And I think I came out of that basically telling everybody over the last 12 months to buy an M1 MacBook Air because I like the shape of it better. The processor had a bigger battery. Yeah. The M2 air came with a lot of quality of life improvements, bigger screen, better speakers, you know, they had the max safe charging, other things that like better camera, things that like you used or experience interact with daily or make it better. But in terms of performance, you're right, David, it was like a modest bump in performance. And depending on which spec level you got, there was the whole controversy around the SSD being slower and things like that, probably for most people buying a base level MacBook Air, they would never notice and not really matter.
这台笔记本电脑的故事以及你在审查时发现的内容表明，M2并没有像必须购买的那样超越M1，而是相对提升了一些性能。因此在过去的12个月中，我基本上告诉大家要购买M1 MacBook Air，因为我更喜欢它的外形，处理器电池更大。M2空气带来了许多生活质量的改进，更大的屏幕、更好的扬声器，以及其他的一些让人们每天使用或体验更好的功能，例如更好的相机。但就性能而言，你是正确的，David，它只是稍微提高了一点性能。而且，根据你买的规格不同，可能会有关于SSD速度较慢等问题的争议。但对于大多数基础级别的MacBook Air用户来说，他们可能不会注意到这些问题，并且这些问题也不重要。

But you can get a lot of that battery life and performance out of the M1. And you know, we've seen over the past year or so, those are constantly going for like $800 brand new, which is a smoke and deal. And I agree, I would totally recommend if someone is like, I want a good Mac for the least amount of money, then like absolutely M1 era all the way. But it wasn't that huge generational leap that we got from going from Intel to the M1 chip at all. And I don't think we are ever really going to see that again unless they go to a different architecture beyond, right? Like that that was the big jump and then everything else is going to be iterative.
但是你可以从M1中获得很多电池寿命和性能。在过去的一年左右，我们看到这些电脑经常全新销售为800美元左右，这是一个很划算的价格。我同意，如果有人想要一台性价比高的Mac电脑，那么绝对选择M1时代。但这并不是从英特尔到M1芯片的巨大跨越。除非他们采用不同的构架，否则我们不会再看到这样的突破性进展了，因为那是一个重大的飞跃，之后的一切都将是迭代的。

But we could see a really big battery life jump with the 15 inch MacBook Air, right? So that's what I was going to say is I think the smart thing that Apple is doing this here is actually making a change that is going to feel like a bigger change to people because it's going to have, it's just going to have more space for battery. I assume the battery life on this thing is going to be ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know anyone who's complaining about the M1 or M2 battery life. Like it's not a problem. No, it still feels like magic.
我们可能会看到15英寸MacBook Air的电池续航能力大幅提升，对吧？所以我想说的是，苹果正在做的明智之举是实际上做出一个更大的改变，让人们感觉更像是一个更大的改变，因为它将会有更多的空间用于电池。我认为这个东西的电池寿命会非常长。是啊，我不知道有谁会抱怨M1或M2的电池寿命。这不是问题。没错，它仍然感觉像是魔法。

Honestly, the thing where I can just sit on a plane all the way across the country and my battery is still at like 65% is just like it's, I'm two years into having this computer and it still feels like magic. How long it lasts? I wanted to be more absurd than that though. I want you to be able to go like, Oh yeah, I went three days without looking for my charger because I have a Mac, a 15 inch MacBook. I mean, it might happen. Like if that doesn't happen, that I'll be disappointed.
说实话，我能坐飞机横跨全国路程，电池却还剩65%，这个感觉就像是魔法一样。我已经用这个电脑两年了，它的电池寿命还是那么惊人。但是，我希望电池能够更离谱一些。我希望你能够像这样说：“哦，我因为有一台15英寸的MacBook，所以三天没有找充电器也没问题。”如果这种事情发生不了，我会很失望的。

I think that the 15 inch MacBook Air will be transformative, but not because of the battery, but just because it has a bigger screen and people love bigger screens and they will always go for bigger screens. And then so like if you look at Apple's laptops for, I don't know, ever, you, the 13 inch one was the accessible one. And then if you wanted any bigger screen, you are spending two thousand plus dollars, many times a thousand dollars more. If you want to go from a 13.5 inch M2 MacBook Air to a 16 inch MacBook Pro is a thousand dollar jump. And for most people, the rest of that difference is all stuff you don't care about. Exactly. Everything else is stuff you don't care about.
我认为15英寸的MacBook Air将具有变革性，但不是因为电池，而是因为它有更大的屏幕，人们喜欢更大的屏幕，他们总是会选择更大的屏幕。如果你看看苹果的笔记本电脑，一直以来，13英寸的是最受欢迎的一个。如果你想要更大的屏幕，你要花费2000多美元，通常比1300多美元更多。从13.5英寸的M2 MacBook Air到16英寸的MacBook Pro需要花费1000美元，对大多数人来说，剩下的差额都是你不关心的东西。确切地说，所有其他的东西你都不在乎。

Yeah.
是的。

So I think that Apple can screw this up and they screwed it up with the iPhone 14 plus by pricing a 15 inch MacBook Air too close to two thousand dollars because if you think about like the 13 inch MacBook Air starts at $1,200 now, I think if they, if they price the 15 inch model in that $1,500 range, I think it'll be gangbusters and people will go nuts for it. If they're pricing it at $1,800 to $2,000, it's the iPhone 14 plus all over again, where it is just too close to the price of the Pro models and people will just ignore it and either go cheap because they're on a budget or go up because they want something better.
我认为苹果可能会弄糟这件事，在 iPhone 14 Plus 上，他们就因为定价一款 15 英寸的 MacBook Air 太接近两千美元而失败。如果你想想，13 英寸的 MacBook Air 起价现在已经是 1200 美元了，如果他们把 15 英寸的机型定价在 1500 美元左右，我认为销售会像疯了一样。但是，如果他们的定价在 1800 美元到 2000 美元之间，那就又是 iPhone 14 Plus 的情况了。对于消费者来说，这个价格距离 Pro 模型太近了，人们会忽视它，要么因为预算而选择便宜的，要么选择更好的。

And so like Apple could screw this up. I'm not like like, like I think that they do have the potential to do a really awesome job with it, but like they screwed it up with the 14 plus.
这句话的意思是，苹果有可能搞砸这个项目，也有可能把它做得非常棒。但是，他们之前在14 Plus项目上就搞砸了。

Does it need to be cheaper than the Mac book pro? Either either size. Yeah. Yes. So it needs to be cheaper than the 13 inch. Also like the 13 inch MacBook Pro is that weird curveball that ruins everyone's predictions and models. I don't think it has to be cheaper than that. I think it has to be cheaper than the 14 inch MacBook.
这款产品需要比MacBook Pro便宜吗？无论是哪个尺寸。是的，它需要比13英寸的便宜。但是就像13英寸的MacBook Pro一样，它是令人意想不到的变数，会破坏每个人的预测和模型。我不认为它必须比13英寸的便宜，而是比14英寸的便宜。

But it has to be significantly cheaper than the 14 inch MacBook Pro, which a 14 inch MacBook Pro lists price starts at $2,000. You can find them all over the place for $1,800 and that will offer more power because it's going to be an M2 Pro chip. It's going to have that mini LED screen. It's going to have ports and stuff like that. There's going to be a lot of reasons for people to buy that one instead of a 15 inch MacBook Air. But if all they want is a bigger screen and really a MacBook Air is the computer for them that a 15 inch MacBook Air price correctly would be like gangbusters.
但它必须比14英寸MacBook Pro便宜得多，因为14英寸MacBook Pro的价格从2000美元起，而你可以在许多地方找到售价为1800美元的，因为它会使用M2 Pro芯片，所以拥有更强大的性能。它将配备迷你LED屏幕、端口等功能，有许多理由让人们购买这款而不是15英寸MacBook Air。但是，如果他们只是想要更大的屏幕，并且真正适合他们的电脑是MacBook Air，那么定价合理的15英寸MacBook Air将会非常受欢迎。

Like if you look at like what people buy Windows laptops. So what you want to happen is a 15 inch MacBook Air priced at like $1,500. 16 gigabytes of RAM standard. I don't even think they need to do that. They won't. How big is storage? They're going to do 8 gigs of RAM and 256 gigs of storage at 1500 bucks. And you know what? It's going to be really popular. If they do it at 1500, if they do it at 17 18 19 2000, like too much. Hey, if you do a $1,700 device with 8 gigabytes of RAM, like I think you'll lose everybody.
如果你观察人们购买Windows笔记本电脑的情况，你会发现人们想要的是一款售价1500美元的15英寸MacBook Air，并且内置16GB RAM。事实上我觉得他们甚至不需要这么做，因为他们不会这么做。存储空间有多大呢？他们会在1500美元的价格下提供8GB RAM和256GB存储空间。你知道吗？这款电脑会非常受欢迎。如果他们定价在1700、1800、1900或2000美元，那就太贵了。如果你销售一款内置8GB RAM的1700美元设备，我认为你会失去所有消费者的支持。

Oh, no, completely disagree. Well, that's true. But not because of the RAM. I think it's that's purely a price thing. I think 8 gigs of RAM is more than enough for most people. It's just like if you can afford 16, get 16 at all times. Yeah, get as much as you possibly can afford. But but yeah, I totally agree.
哦，不，完全不同意。嗯，这是真的。但不是因为内存。我认为这纯粹是价格问题。我认为8GB的内存对大多数人来说已经足够了。就像现在你可以负担得起16GB的话，就一定要买16GB。是的，尽可能多地购买。但是，我完全同意。

Like if they can get this thing at like 13 99 or 14 99, it's going to be a monster success. But then anything more than that. And you have to do this thing that you have to do way too often with Apple now. Like the iPad is the worst offender of this, right? Yeah. Where it's like everything you do is like, well, for $100, I could just get this one. And then suddenly you're buying the 12.9 inch iPad Pro. Well, they put that 64 gig base board in and now I need to jump 150 bucks and like, oh, I wanted cellular. Yeah, I just wanted an iPad mini. It's like optioning a luxury car. Just keep going up and off. That's exactly right. Which to be clear, Apple is doing extremely on purpose and is very good at. But but yeah, I agree. I think the iPhone 14 plus is very much like the the problem child of this strategy and it'll be interesting to see if Apple gets away with it.
如果它能在13.99或14.99美元的价格买到，那么它将会成为一款非常成功的产品。但如果价格超过这个范围，你就必须像现在使用苹果产品时那样再次选择。像iPad这样的产品就是最明显的例子。你做的每一件事情都会让你想，“为了100美元，我可能只需要这个。”接着你就会购买12.9英寸的iPad Pro，然后他们会在基础板中加入64GB的容量，你就必须再加上150美元。还要考虑是否需要移动网络。就像选高档车一样，越选越贵。当然，这是苹果故意这样做的，而且做得非常出色。但我同意，我认为iPhone 14 Plus非常符合这种策略的问题孩子形象。我们将拭目以待看苹果是否能成功。

Yeah. Let's talk about software. So there's there's a lot of rumors out there. iOS 17 seems like it's going to be the most interesting one just because it usually is. It seems like I don't know what what y'all's feeling has been so far, but it seems like because the headset is such a big deal and because we're going to get these devices, there's going to be kind of less wacky, funky new software stuff than usual. Like a lot of the reporting has been that it's some sort of quality of life improvements, couple of new apps that we can talk about. There's some big stuff coming next year because of regulatory stuff with, you know, side loading and app stores and all that stuff, but that might get pushed off to next year. But the biggest things I've seen so far this year are things like, well, actually here, I made a list of all the things that are reported to come becoming an iOS 17 to hear the list.
是的，让我们来谈论软件。目前有很多传言，iOS17似乎将是最有趣的一个版本，因为它通常都是如此。我不知道你们的感觉如何，但似乎由于头戴设备如此重要，我们将少见一些奇怪的新软件功能。据报道，这个版本主要是一些提高使用体验的功能改进，还有一些新应用程序可以讨论。由于监管问题和应用商店等诸多方面的问题，明年会有一些大的改变，但这可能要等到明年才会出现。到目前为止，我见过的最大变化是一些像……实际上，我已经列了iOS17中报告的所有关于更新的清单，听听这个清单。

Yeah, let's hear and hear the list. Okay. I want it.
好的，让我们听听清单。好的，我想听。

I think improvements to control center, whatever that means, improvements to the wallet app, which thank God, and also location services, which is an interesting one. Apple's done a bunch of interesting things with like find my and the air tags stuff and all that. So there's apparently more coming in that realm.
我认为控制中心的改进，不管它意味着什么，钱包应用的改进，谢天谢地，以及定位服务，这个很有意思。苹果已经做了很多有趣的事情，比如“查找我的”和“空气标签”等等。因此，在这个领域显然还有更多的改进。

More interactive widgets so that you can actually like do something on a widget without just tapping into open the app. More and better stuff to do in the dynamic island, improvements to the always on display, airplay upgrades so you could in theory send stuff from your phone to a TV or device, even if you don't own it, which I think would be very cool.
增加更多的交互式小部件，让您不仅可以通过点击打开应用程序来使用小部件，还可以在其上进行实际操作。在动态岛上增加更多、更好的内容，改进始终开启的显示屏，升级Airplay，以便理论上您可以将手机上的内容发送到电视或设备，即使您没有拥有它，我认为这将非常酷。

Mark Gurman at Bloomberg, who we should say is basically responsible for the vast majority of the good reporting about what's going on at Apple in the world. So good job, Mark. What he said is basically Apple has been talking to like hotels about how to enable airplay so that I can send stuff from my phone to my hotel TV, which would be awesome. You don't travel with an Apple TV in your suitcase. I travel with a Roku for exactly this reason and I hate it the most and I would love to not have to do that anymore.
马克·古曼是彭博社的一位记者，他在报道苹果公司的新闻方面几乎贡献了大多数质量较高的报道。他表示，苹果公司一直在与酒店等单位讨论如何启用AirPlay功能，以便我可以将手机上的内容发送到酒店的电视上，这将是非常棒的一件事情。你不需要在行李箱里带上一个苹果电视机。我就为了这个原因带了一个Roku，但我非常烦恼，并且希望不再这样做了。

But then the biggest thing, or at least what I think is the biggest thing is that Apple's apparently working on a way so that when you dock your phone when it's off and horizontal, so it's like put down in landscape mode, it'll turn into essentially a smart display that it'll be sort of the always on display, it'll show information, I don't know what else it photos, whatever, and that it's a precursor to like what Apple wants to do with smart home displays. But it's basically it's like what we've seen with the Pixel tablet and the Echo devices and the Nest stuff. It's a sort of ambient display that just shows you information. Perfect. I love that. I think that makes a lot more sense on an iPad, but sure. They're going to do it on the iPhone.
但我认为最大的事情，或者至少我认为最大的事情是，苹果正在研究一种方法，当你将手机横向放置在关闭状态下，相当于放在横屏模式中，它将变成一种智能显示屏，它会显示信息，我不知道还有什么照片等等，而这是苹果想要实现智能家居显示屏的先驱。但基本上它就像我们在 Pixel 平板电脑和 Echo 设备以及 Nest 产品上所看到的一样。它是一种环境级显示屏，只是向你展示信息而已。太完美了。我认为在 iPad 上实现这个功能更有意义，但当然，他们会在 iPhone 上实现它。

Can we go back to the hotel thing though? Because that means that the hotel Wi-Fi has to not suck. And I can't really see like Hilton and Marriott and everybody being like, oh man, we have to go finally make this not be garbage, just the hottest garbage on the planet. But what if it could make a direct Wi-Fi ad hoc connection from your device? Which I would assume that that's where it'll actually land. Do you think Hilton and Marriott are going to pay?
我们能回到酒店的问题吗？因为这意味着酒店的无线网络不能太差劲了。 我无法想象希尔顿和万豪酒店会像这样说：“哦，天啊，我们必须要把这个网络给修好，不能再是全球最差劲的网络了。”但如果它可以直接从你的设备建立Wi-Fi ad hoc连接呢？我认为那就是它实际上将会落脚的地方。你认为希尔顿和万豪会出钱吗？

You know what? And then the other guy, they're going to fill their rooms with those tele-TVs because they can get them for free and they're going to have to look at ads the whole time. You already have to do that. I have to tell you turn on the TV in a hotel and it's like, do you want to hear all about our great restaurant options? Guys, it's okay. I bring my tele-TV with me to host house. So it's no problem. It's under your arm. Yeah, it's fine.
你知道吗？另一个人会免费装饰他们的房间，充满这些电视广告，他们将不得不一直看。你已经不得不这样做了。我必须告诉你在旅馆里打开电视，就像，“你想听我们的餐厅选项详细介绍吗？”伙计们，没关系。我带着我的电视来主人家里。所以没问题。它可以塞在你的手臂下。是的，没问题。

But again, like the sum of all of that stuff is like fine, right? It's like good new things. But nothing in there feels like a sort of big explosive new idea about iOS. And maybe that's just where we are. Yeah, I mean, I think that's like what iOS 17 and it's like, you know, they're going to talk about iOS. They have to talk about iOS because it is like they're bread and butter now.
但是再次来说，所有的这些都是很好的东西，对吧？就像是好的新东西。但是里面没有什么感觉像是 iOS 的一个突破性的新想法。可能这就是我们目前的状况。是的，我的意思是 iOS 17 可能会涉及到这个。他们必须要谈论 iOS，因为这是他们的支柱。

It is the majority of the company. And at the same time, they have the Facebook problem where they can't change too much because they will disrupt however many billions of existing users. And you know, we're ironically 10 years out from iOS 7 when they really last blew it all up and then that didn't go so well.
这是公司的大多数。但同时，他们有Facebook问题，即他们不能改变太多，因为那会打乱数十亿现有用户的使用。讽刺的是，我们距离iOS 7已经过去了10年，当时他们最后一次彻底重构，但那次并不成功。

Well, they also a couple of years ago famously slowed down on the stuff they rolled out for each of these updates because they were cramming so much stuff in that it was a big buggy garbage mess. And so they're like, oh, maybe that's a bad tack. So I think we're still seeing that on all of these products where it's like, sometimes we're going to do really cool stuff and sometimes we're not because it needs to work.
他们在几年前曾经因为在每个更新中加入太多东西而著名地减缓了速度，因为这样做会导致一堆臭虫和垃圾。因此，他们意识到这种做法可能是错误的。所以，我认为我们仍然在所有这些产品中看到这种情况，有时候我们会做很酷的东西，有时候则不会，因为它们必须可行。

And you can see where Apple's kind of weird energy goes instead. Like, because they can't blow up iOS because it would make a lot of people incredibly angry. Instead they're out here being like, what if we just took over all the software in your car? And apparently there's going to be some more car play stuff coming this year that presumably automakers will not be interested in because they've spent the last year being not interested in what Apple did last year.
你可以看出苹果公司奇怪的能量分配方向。他们不能随意改变iOS系统，否则会引起许多人的愤怒。因此，他们现在在考虑占领汽车软件市场。似乎今年会推出更多的汽车播放系统，但汽车制造商可能并不感兴趣，因为他们在去年并不关注苹果的此项工作。

We're going to make Neelai review whatever it is. In the one car it's some day shows up on. Review the slideshow because that's all it ever ends up being. Neelai, look at this picture. Tell us what you think. And yeah, but I think to me the smart display thing could be cool. There's apparently going to be a journaling app that I think could be nifty. There's going to do some stuff with the health app. But I don't know, Dan, is there anything in these rumors that excites you about what's coming in iOS?
我们打算让尼莱评价一下它到底是什么。在这辆车上，有时会出现一些幻灯片。请评论一下幻灯片，因为它似乎总是这样。尼莱，请看这张图片，告诉我们你的想法。另外，我认为智能显示屏可能会很酷。显然会有一个日记应用程序，我认为可能会很不错。还会有一些关于健康应用的内容。但是，达恩，有没有一些流言中让你兴奋的内容，关于即将到来的iOS呢？

Yeah, it'd be nice for them to do more with the dynamic island. The rumors, the future rumors for the rest of the year are that the dynamic island will be on the entire line of iPhones in the fall. So if they are bringing more features to it, they really haven't done too much with it since it came out on the 14 Pro. There's room to grow there. So it'd be interesting to see how they do that there. I like the idea of the ambient lock screen display, but like I said, I want that on an iPad more than I want it on my phone. Yeah.
是的，如果他们能在动态壁纸上做更多的事情，那就太好了。据传，今年剩余的时间里，动态壁纸将在所有iPhone型号上推出。如果他们为它带来更多的功能，自从14 Pro推出以来，他们真的没有做太多关于这个的事情。还有很大的发展空间。所以看看他们在这方面会做些什么是很有意思的。我喜欢周边锁屏显示的想法，但正如我所说，我更想在我的iPad上看到它而不是在手机上。是的。

It's weird in general that the always on display stuff has not come to the iPad. It's such a natural thing for it. Well, yeah, but like if you have it charged, I would assume this is only going to work if it's charging, right? Like if it's on a MagSafe dock or whatever, and you've got it rotated horizontally. But it's ugly on a dock because you have to do it horizontally and then the charger's sticking out the butt. Well, I mean, on an iPhone, you could put it on a MagSafe puck and turn it horizontally and there's nothing sticking out the side of it, right? You can't do that on an iPad. That's why that's funny. That's why it's not on the iPad is because the iPad will be aesthetically ugly. Listen, listen, Apple, if that's your reason, I urge you to take a look at the magic mouse and how that thing charges and you have lost all leg to stand on about how things look when they are plugged in. Different teams, different teams. That was hardware. This is software.
一般来说，iPad 没有常亮屏幕功能感觉有点奇怪。因为它非常适合这种功能。但是，如果充好电之后，只有插电才能使用常亮屏幕功能，是这样的吗？比如放在 MagSafe 底座上，横着放。但是放在底座上横着放，电源线就会从底部伸出来，感觉不美观。在 iPhone 上，你可以把它放在 MagSafe 电源底座上，然后横向放置，不会有任何线路从侧面伸出来。但是在 iPad 上做不到。这就是为什么 iPad 上没有常亮屏幕功能，因为这样看起来不美观。Apple，如果这是你们的理由，我建议你们看看魔术鼠标如何充电，因为你们在插电时担心外观的说辞已经失去了立场。不同的团队，这是硬件，那是软件。

What's interesting to me about this software story, at least so far from the rumors is we haven't talked about a lot to us. I think we are expecting big changes to watch a watch, which are long overdue. But as you mentioned earlier, David, there's not a lot rumors coming for Mac OS and there's not a lot rumored coming for iPad OS. Yeah, we've heard almost nothing. Mac iPad and TVOS, there's been almost deep goal reporting at all so far. Yeah, it could be so much better. Yeah. Like the fact that they haven't done any attempt to make live non-Apple TV plus content readily available, like you see on Android and some of the other products, there's just so much they could be doing.
对我来说，这个软件故事中有趣的地方，至少从谣言中到目前为止，是我们还没有听到很多关于我们自己的东西。我认为我们期待着观看手表的巨大改变，这已经迫在眉睫了。但正如你之前提到的，大卫，目前并没有太多Mac OS和iPad OS的谣言。是的，我们几乎没有听到什么消息。到目前为止，Mac iPad和TVOS几乎没有深入的报道。是的，它本应该更好。比如，他们没有做出任何努力使非Apple TV Plus内容像在Android和其他一些产品上那样随时随地可用，他们可以做的太多了。

Alex, if you're about to go on a fast TV rant, you're just adding the podcast. The podcast is over. Dan, did you see how David clocked me? And just like. As soon as you said the word live TV is like, oh no. He's like, oh, here it's coming. Alex is trying to fast move over here. Let's just start the ads coming in here. But wait, Dan, Dan, we cut you off. What were you saying?
Alex，如果你马上要进行一场快速的电视抱怨，那你只是在添加播客。播客已经结束了。丹，你看到大卫是怎么踢我的吗？就像你一说现场电视，他就像“哦不，他要开始了”。Alex 正试图快速转移注意力，我们接下来就放广告。但是，等等，丹，我们打断了你。你刚才说什么？

I don't remember. You were going to talk about the iPad. Yeah, so the iPad, I think there's a lot of work that can be done. Obviously, Stage Manager still a mess. They kind of biffed it last year with their launches and it still doesn't have features that the iPhone has. Like we talked about always on display is not there. Other like widget-y features, stuff like that still aren't on the iPad. But it doesn't seem like it will get the new apps, right? So this journaling app will be available on all three platforms. And maybe a health app will be on the iPad, which would be a nice addition because it's weirdly not there now.
我不记得了。你要谈谈iPad。是的，关于iPad，我认为还有很多工作可以做。明显的，舞台管理器还是个混乱。去年的推出有些失误，它仍然没有像iPhone那样的功能。比如我们谈到的常亮显示功能还没有。其它类似小部件的功能，也还没有出现在iPad上。但是它不会得到新的应用，对吧？因此，这个日记应用将在三个平台上都可用。或许还会有一个健康应用出现在iPad上，这是一个不错的补充，因为现在它却奇怪地没有。

But like beyond that, there hasn't been any rumors or any reporting in terms of like them rethinking Stage Manager or coming out with new ideas or software for the iPad, which is a little bit of a bummer. And then like you were saying the Mac, like, what are they going to call it is the big question.
但是除此之外，目前还没有任何关于他们重新考虑舞台经理或推出新的iPad软件的传闻或报告，这有点令人失望。然后像你说的Mac，他们会叫它什么是个大问题。

Yeah, like what we joke is Craig Federighi going to make is now like the most interesting thing about the Mac every year. So excited. But WatchOS 10, rumored to be a big, pretty big redesign, maybe the biggest redesign since the watch came out. It's been long overdue. New faces.
是的，我们开玩笑说的是Craig Federighi现在每年推出的Mac最有趣的事情。太激动了。但是WatchOS 10，谣传中将进行大规模的重设计划，可能是自手表推出以来最大的重设计划。这是早就应该完成的了。有新的表盘。

Yeah, I haven't read as much about the watch. What's the theory about what's coming with the watch? So the big theory with that has been rumored is that we are getting a take on widgets for the watch. These complications now, but they're pretty static. They don't update very often, things like that.
是的，我还没有阅读关于手表的太多信息。关于手表即将推出的理论是什么？目前传闻最大的理论是我们将在手表上看到小部件。当前的这些复杂功能很静态，不经常更新，等等。

So the idea is that there will be new widget interfaces that update more frequently or more customizable, which would be great. Maybe a rethinking of the Honeycomb, whatever they call that, the app launcher thing, which is kind of a disaster and always has been just a refresh of the user interface of the watch, which we haven't seen.
这个想法是打造新的小部件接口，可以更频繁地更新或更加可定制，这将会非常出色。或许重新考虑Honeycomb，也就是他们称之为应用启动器的东西，它有点像灾难，并一直是手表用户界面的刷新，但我们还没有见过它。

It's basically been the same thing since 2015 with really minor iterations since then. So it's long overdue for it. It's a little interesting for them to do it this year if they are launching a new platform that's going to get all the attention, but whatever, if it's happening, I'll take it.
自 2015 年以来，它基本上一直是同样的东西，自那时起只有微小的变化。因此，它已经过期了。如果他们要推出一个会吸引所有关注的新平台，那么今年他们这样做有点有趣，但不管怎样，如果发生了，我会接受它的。

So is it kind of like there's that Siri face that is just kind of a scrollable set of things? Is it kind of a play on that that we might be getting? It could be, but I think that if that would work a lot better as a module on a different watch face and a module that updates based on context and things like that.
这是不是类似于有一个Siri的界面，可以滑动显示一些内容？这个可能是在这个基础上创意而来的吗？这个可能是吧，但我觉得它更适合作为另一个手表界面上的一个模块，它可以根据情境和其他因素进行更新。

So right now, if you mess around with focus modes on your iPhone, you can tell it when I'm changing focus modes to change my watch face to whatever I set, just like you can change your wallpaper on your iPhone and your home screen. What if you took it a little bit further and used a little bit more context with where you are, what you're doing and things like that. And the watch can be a little bit more adaptive. That would be nice.
目前，如果您在iPhone上调整对焦模式时，可以设置让它在我更改对焦模式时更改我的手表表盘，就像您可以更改iPhone和主屏幕的壁纸一样。如果你再往前推一点，利用更多的上下文信息，比如你在哪里、你正在做什么等等，手表可以变得更加自适应。这将是很好的。

It'd be cool. It's kind of probably a nerdy level thing because you're going to have to tweak it and tinker with it and stuff like that, but I'm into it. One thing I've heard, I've been talking to a bunch of developers this week about just like what they want from Apple.
这个会很酷。它可能是一个有些专业级的东西，因为你需要调整和调试它等等，但我喜欢它。我听说过一件事，就是这周我和许多开发者交流，他们谈到了他们对苹果的期望。

And for the most part, it's pretty straightforward. I've had a bunch of people say we want SwiftUI to be better so we can better build cross-platform apps. But the number of people who have brought up the watch to me has been really interesting because on the one hand, the watch is kind of better and more mature than ever, but also to your point, it is the same damn thing it has been since 2015.
对于大部分人来说，这很直截了当。有很多人说我们希望SwiftUI更好一些，这样我们就可以更好地构建跨平台应用程序。但是，有很多人提到手表对我来说非常有趣，因为一方面手表比以往任何时候都更好、更成熟，但另一方面，正如你所说，自2015年以来，它还是同样的东西。

And especially now that we have the Ultra and these things have more performance and they have more battery, more screen than ever. Yeah, developers are just like, give us more to do. They're so hamstrung.
特别是现在，我们有着更高性能、更大电池和屏幕的 Ultra 设备，开发者们就像在说：“给我们更多任务吧！他们感到遇到了极大困难”。

The Ultra has this huge screen and it uses the exact same interface as the rest of the watch. So it doesn't even take advantage of the fact that it's got this big screen. Right. And Apple has always really aggressively limited the stuff you can do on those devices because it's so worried about battery life and performance. But now as those become less of a worry, there are a lot of people who are like, Apple, like loose in the reins a bit, let us do more stuff on the watch.
Ultra手表有一个巨大的屏幕，使用与其他手表完全相同的界面。因此，它甚至没有充分利用其大屏幕的优势。没错。而且，苹果一直非常积极地限制这些设备上的功能，因为它非常担心电池寿命和性能问题。但现在随着这些问题的减少，有很多人认为，苹果应该放松限制，让我们在手表上做更多的事情。

And I'm hopeful that that's going to be one of the things that starts to happen because the Ultra in particular is so much more powerful than it is allowed to be by the way watch OS works right now. It's crazy. Yeah, let us do something with that button.
我很希望这会成为一件开始发生的事情，因为Ultra手表比目前的watch OS允许的更加强大。这真是太疯狂了。对，让我们利用一下那个按钮吧。

Yeah. It's a button you can barely do anything with it. Yeah, it's exactly right. Anything else? Any other rumors? We should take a break here in a sec, but have I missed anything? What are we?
嗯，这个按钮你几乎无法使用它。是的，完全正确。还有别的谣言吗？我们马上就该休息了，但我错过了什么吗？我们是什么？

What else are we expecting? Alex, do you want to talk about FastTV? I feel bad that I cut you off talking about FastTV. I'm fine. They're not going to do anything with it. And so why even get my hopes up? I wonder how much of these things are going to be in the keynote and how much is just going to be relegated to developer sessions or press releases or things like that. I mean, that's what they've done with TVOS the last couple of years. Yeah, they don't even mention it on stage, poor TVOS. The like bento box slides they show at the end of everything are going to be, I suspect, like particularly full of stuff this year. Yeah, that they didn't mention because they've got to spend all this time on a new platform or a new device and I expect this to be like a two hour keynote. And even then, how are they going to touch everything? Yeah, Dan, you, Niele, and I are going to be there. So everyone, please start praying for us now. It's going to be a long, long day. Pray for our bladders. Have fun. Wear diapers.
还期待什么呢？Alex，你想谈谈FastTV吗？刚才中断你谈FastTV让我感到不好意思。我没事。他们不会对此做什么。所以为什么要让我抱有希望呢？我想知道这些东西会在主题演讲中占多少比例，会被归类到开发者会议或新闻发布会等等。我是说，这正是他们在过去几年里对TVOS所做的事情。没错，他们甚至在舞台上也不提TVOS，可怜的TVOS。我猜这次结束时他们展示的盒装幻灯片会特别丰富。是啊，他们没提到的原因是要花时间来搞一个新平台或一个新设备，我预计这将是一个两小时的主题演讲。即便如此，他们怎么可能触及到每个东西呢？是啊，Dan、Niele和我会在那里。所以大家，请现在就开始为我们祈祷吧。这将是一个漫长的一天。为我们的膀胱祈祷吧，祝你们玩得开心，穿上纸尿裤吧。

All right, we need to take one more break and then we're going to come back and do a lightning round and then get out of here. We'll be right back.
好的，我们需要再休息一下，然后进行一轮快速问答，然后就要结束了。稍等片刻，我们就回来。

We're back. I just looked at what Alex picked for the lightning round and I just want to apologize to everybody in advance. Alex, you don't get to go first. Oh, Dan, you go first. What's your lightning round pick? So my lightning round pick is the Amazon Echo Pop, which Jen reviewed this week. It is Amazon's cheapest Echo speaker now. It's 40 bucks. It comes in pretty colors. It's very cool. And it also tries to upsell you on alarm sounds. But when you say set an alarm, it is the most bonkers thing ever. And it's just like the like, it just blows my mind.
我们回来了。我刚刚看了一下Alex为闪电回合选的东西，我想提前向大家道歉。Alex，你不能先选。哦，Dan，你先选。你的闪电回合选择是什么？ 我的闪电回合选择是亚马逊的Echo Pop，这是本周Jen所评测的。它现在是亚马逊最便宜的Echo扬声器，只需40美元。它有漂亮的颜色，非常酷。它还会尝试向你推销闹钟铃声。但是当你说“设定闹钟”时，它就变得最疯狂的东西了。 它简直让我惊呆了。

So if you are familiar with Alexa and you used echoes, you've probably gotten used to Alexa saying to you, by the way, do you want to do this, this, this, and this every single time you ask it a command. And no, you don't. You never do. You never ever do. You just wanted to turn the lights off. Jen asked it to set an alarm while she was testing this. And it said, by the way, do you want to buy a louder alarm sound after setting an alarm? And I just was like, I just like, the user experience of that is just so mind-blowingly awful and like, just like a cynical that I just like, I couldn't believe it.
如果你熟悉Alexa并使用过echo，你可能已经习惯了每次对它发出命令时，Alexa会询问你是否想进行这个和那个的操作。但事实上，你并不想这样做。你只是想关掉灯。当Jen在测试时，她问它设置了闹钟，然后它说，顺便问一下，你想在设置闹钟后购买更响的闹钟声音吗？当时我感到用户体验非常糟糕，这样的问询显得非常讽刺，我简直难以置信。

That's really like down the middle of like the sci-fi dystopias about all of this stuff is it's just like in, in you watch Blade Runner and it's like, what if everything was just ads and it's like, that's everybody watch these movies and was like, Oh, what a good product idea. And it's like, no, you missed all point of all of that. Yeah, I mean, this is why it's $40, right? Yeah. See, the thing about Amazon and I is that like, there are times when I don't mind that stick like the special offers thing on the Kindle where it's like, when you turn it off, it'll show you ads for things you should buy. I actually don't mind that at all. And that's fine. But things like this are just gross and hostile and like should not be allowed in a product. Yeah. And because the because of the voice assistant is like actively trying to engage you, it's what makes it worse with the Kindle. It's like you're turning it off, you put it down, you walk away, you don't look at it again. Right.
这真的就像是科幻末世情景中的一部分，所有的东西都变成广告，就像你看《银翼杀手》一样，如果一切都只是广告，这些电影中的观众会觉得这是一个好的产品创意，而实际上他们错过了所有这些情节的重点。是的，我是说这就是这个产品的价值所在，所以价格才会是40美元。亚马逊和我之间的某些事情，有时我并不介意Kindle上的特别优惠，比如当你关闭时，它会向你展示可购买的商品广告，这对我来说并不影响，但是这种像这样的产品令人感到令人不愉快和敌意，而且不应该被允许存在。另外，由于语音助手正在积极地尝试与你交互，这会让Kindle更糟糕。在使用Kindle时，你关闭它，放下它，走开，再也不看它了。

So like you don't even have to interact with it that the voice assistant calls to you and speaks to you and continues speaking to you. And you just want to go off and do something else where you want to go to bed because you set an alarm to wake up at six in the morning. It's just so bad. And it's like, it's the next step of this that it's like, okay, for free, I'll wake you up somewhere between five, 30 and seven. But if you pay me $9 a month, I'll wake you up on time. Like, how are we actually far away from it? Precise alarm isn't in that purchase. You only get fuzzy alarms. It's cable company, right? Like, it's like when you call your cable company to cancel your cable and they're like, but what if for $100 more, we give you showtime and cinemax and you're like, that's not what it. No, just do what I ask.
就像你不需要与它互动一样，语音助手会打电话给你并与你交谈并继续与你交谈。你可能只想去做其他事情或者上床睡觉，因为你设置了6点钟的闹钟。这非常糟糕。这是接下来的一步，像是说，如果你免费让我在5:30到7之间叫醒你，但如果你每月付我9美元，我会准时叫醒你。我们到底离这还有多远呢？准确的闹钟并不包含在购买中。你只能得到模糊的闹钟。这就像有线电视公司一样，对吧？就像你打电话给有线电视公司取消有线电视，他们会说：“如果你再付100美元，我们可以给你展示时间和影院频道”，你会说，“这不是我想要的。不，请按照我的要求来做。”

Yeah. Like sometimes I just want you to do the thing. Can I talk about my, my pick?
是的。有时候我只是想让你做这件事。我能讲一下我的选择吗？ 这句话表示说话者希望对方能够满足自己的要求，言辞表现出一定的冷静和控制力。同时，他还想继续谈论自己的事情。

No.
Sorry, I cannot complete this prompt as I cannot see the complete text of the English sentence. Please provide the full sentence for me to translate.

Yes, fine. You go second. That way I can go last and we can cut you off when this gets horrible. Again, I'm sorry to everyone in advance for what's about to happen on the perch cast.
好的，没问题。你后面走。这样我就可以最后上场，并且我们可以在这变得可怕的时候将你切断。再次，对于即将在鸟巢播客中发生的事情，我提前向大家道歉。

Okay. So, so there was a company a few years ago that was trying to like make video games more immersive. And their idea was like, what if we put speakers in the seats? What if we, what if we surrounded you with speakers and stuff? So you would really feel it when you get fragged. I will just point out that like Disney World has been doing this for decades. If you go to the Honey, I shrunk the kids exhibit, like that's just, this is what that is. Movie theaters have been doing it for decades. Like it's a very common thing, but they're like, but what if we did it in your home? Wouldn't that be cool? And everybody said no, it would not. And everybody said no.
这些年有一家公司试图让游戏更具沉浸感。他们的想法是，在座位上装置扬声器，在你周围安装扬声器等细节处理，从而让你在游戏中真正感受到虚拟情境的刺激与震撼。然而要指出的是，像迪士尼乐园这样的公共场所早就在这方面投资了数十年，比如《蜗居家族》展厅，这就是它在做的事情。而电影院新推出的还有很多辅助设备以加强视听效果，也实现了类似的概念。虽然这不是什么新鲜事，但这个公司想在家庭市场上大搞这个的想法最终被所有人扼杀了。

And they still need to make money. So apparently they had some friends over at Land Rover and Land Rover was like, yes, what if we put speakers in the seats of our cars so that you could really feel the music? Oh, God. And I think we all know where my head is going, but I'm trying to keep things PG rated. I promise, David, I would keep it PG rated. I don't think this is as wild as you're making it sound of simply because massage seats have existed in luxury cars for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But I just, you know, it's like it's music and it's in your car. You're just, yeah, I want to listen to some hopping tombs.
他们仍然需要赚钱。所以显然他们认识路虎的朋友，路虎说，“如果我们在我们汽车的座位上安装喇叭，那么你就可以真正地感受到音乐了。”哦，天啊。我想我们都知道我要说什么了，但我正在努力保持“家长指导级别”（即适合所有人观看）的内容。我保证，大卫，我会让它保持家长指导级别的。我觉得这不像你所描述的那样疯狂，因为豪华车上已经有按摩座椅存在了很长时间了。是啊。是啊，这是真的。但是，你知道吗，它就是音乐，它在你的车里，你只是想听一些跳动的音乐。

Here's a pitch for you. Maybe they feel like if the speakers are in the seats and you're feeling the music or whatever, you don't have to turn it up as loud. So if you got kids sleeping in the back, you can still experience the music as a driver without turning up the volume too loud. Now what this is is you pull up to a red light, you find just the right beats per minute and you for sure miss the green light. You know what I mean? You do not know when the light changes. 100%. This is giving you a distraction when you're waiting in line at McDonald's for your chicken nuggets. Yeah. Those chicken nuggets are never, ever coming out to you. Don't worry about it. But if they do, they're going to taste great.
我有个好点子，也许他们认为如果音箱安装在座椅上，而你又能感受到音乐或者其他的东西，那么你就不必把音量调得太大。所以，如果你的后座有孩子在睡觉，你作为司机仍然可以享受音乐，而不必把音量调得太大。现在，你可以在红灯等待时找到恰好的每分钟节拍，并且你肯定会错过绿灯。你们知道我的意思吗？你不知道灯何时变绿，一百分之百确定。这会给你一个分心的机会，当你在麦当劳排队购买你的鸡块时。是的，这些鸡块永远不会送到你手中。不用担心。但是如果它们到了，它们会很好吃。

Yeah, I appreciate your optimism. Thank you, Dad. I tried. He kept us good. Yeah. No, listen, car companies continuing to flail to find things to charge you money for is my favorite story in the tech industry right now. It's, I hope there's a subscription for this, by the way, I hope the hardware is there. And then they're like, oh, but you have to pay us $12.99 a month for you is the vibrating seats. And if you stop paying, it'll vibrate like offbeat and horribly and it'll just ruin your entire experience. Yeah. I see drive down the road.
嗯，我很欣赏你的乐观。谢谢你，爸爸。我尽力了，他让我们过得好。是的。不过听着，汽车公司继续寻找收费项目的失败，现在是科技行业里我最喜欢的故事。我希望这个项目能够有订阅服务，同时希望硬件还可以实现震动座椅，但是如果你不付费，它会偏离振动，非常让人不爽，完全破坏了你的驾驶体验。是啊，我看着路上的车来回行驶。

By the way, right. Did you know that you could pay for your seat to vibrate with the music? God. So mine is a very new phone, the Motorola Razer Plus, which is the latest in Motorola's like reboot of the flip phone. This one feels like much closer to getting it right. The big new thing is it has, instead of a teeny tiny little stripe of a screen on the outside, it has, what does it down? Like 3.6 inches. It's like a whole phone on the outside. It literally, it's like, yeah, it's just like a little phone. It's $1,000, right? I mean, yeah. The phone is in $1,000. I thought there were like 1,500.
顺便说一下，你知道吗，你可以付费让你的座位随着音乐震动吗？天啊。所以我的手机很新，是摩托罗拉Razer Plus，是摩托罗拉重新推出翻盖手机的最新款。这个手机感觉更接近于完美。最重要的新功能是它外面不再是一个微小的屏幕条，而是像3.6英寸的完整手机。它就像一个小手机。它的价格是1000美元，不是1500美元。

Well, these flip styles that go normal size to small are about 1,000 bucks. Right. Yeah, the Galaxy Z Flip, I think, is the same price. But they usually don't look this cool. Well, yeah, I mean, they're, well, they look cool and they get like compact. But they don't look this cool. Right. This looks cool because like David said, there's a whole phone on the outside of it. It's sick as hell.
这些可翻转的款式，从正常大小到小型的价格大约在1000美元左右。是的。是的，我想Galaxy Z Flip的价格也是一样的。但它们通常看起来不这么酷。嗯，是的，它们看起来很酷而且很紧凑。但他们不会看起来这么酷。对。这看起来很酷，因为像David说的，整个手机都放在外面。它太棒了。

The thing that this solves for me is the number of times that I'm like, I just need to respond with an emoji to this text message. But if I open my phone, I will then open Instagram and I will be using my phone for 45 minutes. Like this neatly solves that very specific problem for me in a way that makes me very happy. Does it? What if you just open Instagram on the outside? No, because it's too tiny. Because I think you can. It's too tiny. You'll get annoyed. I don't know. You go look at Elson's article. He's got a whole maps on there and it's got a keyboard. What if she has to do anything down where the camera bump is? That's just a black hole. They built games that like use the camera bump. You like a little more will go into the camera bump. Go into shady places.
对我来说，这个功能解决了我很多次想要用一个表情回复短信的问题。但是如果我打开手机，我就会打开Instagram，最后用手机玩45分钟。所以，这个功能完美地解决了这个特定的问题，让我非常开心。但是，如果你只是在外面打开Instagram会怎样呢？不行，因为它太小了，你会很烦。我不知道。去看看Elson的文章，他有一整个表情键盘。如果她需要在摄像头凸起的地方进行任何操作，那就像一个黑洞。他们制作了一些可以利用摄像头凸起的游戏。一些东西也会进入摄像头凸起部位，这就不安全了。

Yeah. I think this is cool. I agree with David. I think that this is finally the flip that actually looks good. Yeah, you're probably right that this solves none of my like existential problems about using phones. But it's cool. A phone that is small and folds out to be big but is useful in both ways. Like good job Motorola. You got it right.
是的，我觉得这很酷。我同意David的看法。我认为这终于是一个看起来真的很好的翻翻手机。是的，你可能是对的，它并没有解决我使用手机所存在的任何存在问题。但这很酷。一个小巧的手机，可以展开变大，但两种方式都很有用。摩托罗拉做得很好。你做对了。

So, Elson had a piece this week before this announcement talking about it's going to be hot foldable summer. This is like the first way. We're still waiting for the pixel fold to come out after its announcement. Sam's like to remember to be announcing stuff in June or July I think.
所以，艾尔森在此公告之前就有一篇表述炎热可折叠夏季的文章。这是第一种情况。我们仍在等待像素折叠的推出，它已经宣布了。萨姆喜欢在六月或七月宣布一些东西。

But you know, the way that she described these style phones is like a combination of this specifically the flip style is like a combination of a smartwatch and a normal cell phone. And then this outside display lets you do all the things that you might do on a smartwatch reply to messages, look at directions, control music, maybe smart home stuff or whatever.
但你知道，她描述的这些风格的手机就像是智能手表和普通手机的结合体。特别是翻盖式手机，外部显示屏可以让你做一切智能手表所能做的事，比如回复消息、查看方向、控制音乐，或者可能还有智能家居之类的功能。

And this looks like definitely much more usable, especially then like Sam's like tiny little strip of a display that's very limited in what it will show. Yeah.
这看起来明显更容易使用，特别是与萨姆的微小显示条相比，它的显示内容非常有限。是的。

Flip funds given to me all of them. I love them all. Right. We need to get out of here. Thank you both. This is this is right fun. We're going to have oh, so much more WWDC stuff. It's just like the headset is our life for the foreseeable future. So if you don't care about headsets, I'm so very sorry.
请把所有给我的翻盘资金都投入其中。我喜欢它们。好的，我们需要离开这里。谢谢你们两个。这非常有趣。我们会有更多WWDC的东西。就好像这个耳机是我们未来生活的一部分。如果你不关心耳机，我非常抱歉。

Lots of good stuff on the verge this week. We had our Lisa documentary that everybody should watch about the Apple Lisa. We talked a bunch about that on the Wednesday show, but the documentary is amazing. It's like the best half hour you'll spend this week next time you're waiting for your chicken nuggets, watch the documentary. It's excellent. We also our feature team ran a thing about a kid who kept impersonating cops in Chicago and kept getting with it. It's deeply weird and excellent. Lots of good reviews and stuff on the site this week. It was really good week.
本周的内容非常精彩。我们推出了关于苹果Lisa的Lisa纪录片，每个人都应该看一下。我们在周三的节目中也讲了很多关于这个话题的内容，但是这部纪录片真的很惊人。如果你下次在等待炸鸡块的时候，可以看这部纪录片，值得去看。我们的特色团队也推出了一个关于一个孩子在芝加哥一直冒充警察的故事，真的很奇怪，但也非常精彩。我们网站上还有很多好的评价和内容。这是一个非常好的一周。

Like the thing that happens before WWDC is everybody just tries to like dump all their news because then Apple kind of eats the news cycle for two weeks. So there's all kinds of stuff going on. It was very good.
在 WWDC 之前发生的事情就像大家试图把所有的新闻都倒出来，因为接下来两周 Apple 会占据所有的新闻周报。所以有各种各样的事情发生。这非常好。

The one last thing I want to point everybody to is this device made by a designer called Paragraphica, which is just an AI camera. I can't believe none of us picked this as our. It was my pick and tell. I remembered Range Rover. Sorry.
我想向大家指出的最后一件事就是由设计师Paragraphica制作的这个设备，它只是一款AI相机。我简直不敢相信我们中没有人选它作为我们的选择。这是我的选择和告诉。我记得是雷克斯卢克斯。对不起。

We're just going to call this a bonus lightning round item before we go here. So this thing, it's a camera, but when you press the shutter instead of actually taking a picture, it collects a bunch of data about the location, the current weather conditions, what it's looking at, all this kind of stuff feeds all of that to an image generator and then spits back an AI generated image theoretically of the thing that you were just looking at. It's like a camera, David. What's a photo, you guys? This is like, it's honestly, it's so good that Neeliah is not here because this would have been the entire show. We would have spent two hours just debating this thing.
在我们离开前，让我们先称它为一个额外的闪电回合项目。这个东西，它是一台相机，但当你按下快门时，它不是真正地拍照，而是收集了大量关于位置、当前天气条件、所摄物体等方面的数据，将这些数据馈送到图像生成器中，然后返回一个由人工智能生成的图像，理论上是你刚刚看到的物体的图像。这就像一台相机，David，你们知道照片是什么吗？这太好了，Neeliah不在这里，否则我们会花两个小时来争论这个东西。

I don't want to disparage the designer that made this because I think it's super creative and very interesting. I just, the concept of it makes me very sad. I will say they will agree. They meant this as an art project to start conversations, not the gadget of the future. So I think in that sense, I think it's totally fascinating. But yeah, I think it's very possible to like viscerally hate this thing and be totally correct if that was an interesting one. I hate it and I love it at the same time. Like I'm truly torn by it. Yeah, I think it's fascinating.
我不想贬低设计这个东西的设计师，因为我认为它非常有创意和有趣。只是，它的概念让我很难过。我想他们也会同意这一点。他们的初衷是将其作为一项艺术项目来引发对话，而不是未来的小玩意。所以，从那个意义上讲，我认为它非常迷人。但是，如果您对它非常讨厌，那么完全正确也是有可能的。我同时又爱又恨它。我对它真的很矛盾。是的，我认为它非常有趣。

But there's a thing, we'll put the link in the show notes. There's actually a site you can go to and you just sort of like mad libs your way through some of the information that it needs. And then it spits back an image to you. It's like, it's cool. The weirdest, trippiest thing of all time. It's very fun. I highly suggest everybody do it. Are they real photos? Let us know. Yeah, who knows. If you get a good one of us, let us know. Please feed us to all images generators and let us know how it goes.
有一件事，我们会在节目注释中放链接。实际上有一个网站，你可以通过它来快速输入所需的信息，然后它就会返回一张图片给你。这个网站很酷，是最奇怪和神奇的东西，非常有趣。我强烈建议每个人都去试试。这些照片是真实的吗？请告诉我们。如果你有好的照片，请把我们的图片们放入所有的图像生成器中，并告诉我们它的效果如何。

Anyway, we're going to be back on Wednesday. We have a bunch of post WWDC stuff planned. It's all going to be very fun. We have some cool, collab-y stuff going on with some friends that we've been working on. That's going to be really great. We'll be back here for the show next week once we've digested. It's going to be very fun. A lot of Apple stuff going on.
反正，我们将于星期三回来。我们已经计划了很多WWDC后的内容。这一切都会非常有趣。我们与一些朋友合作创作了一些酷炫的东西，这将非常棒。一旦我们消化好了，下周我们会回到这里进行节目。会有很多苹果的事情发生。

If you have questions, call the hotline. We're going to try to answer as many questions as you can. 866-Verge-1-1, if you have Apple questions now or after the keynote, let us know. Dan, Neil and I will be there live. It's going to be really fun. We will see you all in Cupertino next week.
如果您有问题，请拨打我们的热线电话，我们将尽可能地回答您的问题。如果您在现在或主题演讲后有关于苹果的问题，请告诉我们，我们将会现场为您解答。丹、尼尔和我将在现场，这将是非常有趣的。我们下周在库比蒂诺见！

That's it. That's the Vergecast. Rock and roll. We'll see you next week.
就是这样。这就是Vergecast。摇滚起来。我们下周见。