The Internet Is Fighting Back Against Your AI Agent

Jess went full send on Muse and reports that about 70% of the use cases she was excited about have stopped working, because the internet is fighting back: Good Eggs now wants her to check out in the app, her kid's school portal refuses the login, and JP Morgan and Amazon are blocking agents outright. Dave's version is worse. Instinct booked a dinner reservation in LA instead of San Francisco, and he's out. Sam has seen this exact movie, because he and Andrew Kortina ran Fin ten years ago and shut it down once they worked out you become liable for every provider down the chain with no margin to cover your own mistakes. His call now is the death of the web, plus APIs that negotiate access back and forth like Hollywood agents. Meanwhile Anthropic is meeting investors behind closed doors while they tape, the market is getting hammered, and Brit's three years of hip pain vanished in six days on peptides, which Sam insists is placebo. Timestamps: 01:09 Jess Is Back, Dave's Birthday, and the October Cold 03:04 Nasal Rinses and Fall Immunity 04:02 Brit's Peptide Results: Three Years of Pain Gone in Six Days 06:43 Anthropic Is Meeting Investors While We Tape 07:34 The Market Is Getting Hammered: VIX, Private Credit, Apollo 08:16 Infrastructure IPOs Stall and Nvidia Becomes the Last Investor 10:01 Slowing Revenue, CFOs Cracking Down, Tokens Moving to Open Models 10:36 Sam: Would You Rather Be Rich or Right? 11:11 The Models Are a Commodity and There Is No Lock-In 12:15 Brit Won't Give Muse Her Whole Computer 13:41 Why Sam Trusts Meta More Than OpenAI or Anthropic 15:16 Jess: 70% of My Muse Use Cases Don't Work Anymore 16:54 Dave: Instinct Booked the Restaurant in the Wrong City 18:18 Sam on Fin, the Assistant Company He Ran Ten Years Ago 20:30 Why the Economics of Mistakes Break Agent Services 22:31 Sam: What's Inevitable Is the Death of the Web 23:09 APIs as Constant Negotiation, and Agents With Reputations 24:51 Agent Credit Scores: FICO for Bots 25:56 Amazon's Rufus Still Works, and Other Branding Crimes 27:13 The Seesaw: Built Up and Torn Down Intraday 28:41 Gen Z Media, Muse Memes, and Punk Rock by Another Name 32:53 Is the Punk Rock Thing Just Marketing? 34:37 Every Company Now Needs a Gen Z Meme Lord 36:14 The Truth Subculture and Who Actually Pays for It 37:32 Jess Is Interviewing Barry Weiss at WTF 40:20 Bumble Goes Private at $1.3B 43:07 Dave on Seven Years of Hinge and Why Dating Is So Hard 46:41 Apple's Home Hub and Keeping Screens Away From Kids 49:04 Everyone Is Going to See the Elizabeth Holmes Movie We're also on: X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2CJdt6HhJ8ioNkbqqVKckC Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-or-less-from-the-morins-and-the-lessins/id1692234179 Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin 4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit About More or Less: For 15 years, the Morins and the Lessins have debated the future of Silicon Valley as the closest of friends. Every Friday, they break down technology, capital, and media. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures.

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