When is it a Trend? When is it Hype?
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Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing的最新一期节目,由Tyler Crowe主持,撰稿人Matt Frankel和John Quest参与,深入探讨了投资于可持续商业趋势与沦为炒作周期的受害者之间的关键区别。讨论内容涵盖了从目前房地产市场中出现的“冷漠周期”到技术和行业中各种“炒作周期”的所有方面。
播客首先审视了房地产市场,特别是房屋建筑商。美国最大的房屋建筑商Lennar,尽管报告了盈利,但其股价最近跌破了账面价值。Matt Frankel强调,Lennar的盈利和收入均未达到预期,并下调了指引,其首席执行官还发表了“糟糕的评论”。这导致买方激励措施达到售价的约12%,在利率上升的环境下,这本质上是“清仓大甩卖”。尽管建筑成本下降且正在进行股票回购,但整体情绪仍是冷漠的,这主要受信用紧缩周期的推动,对房地产的快速复苏不是一个好兆头。
尽管房屋建筑商可能是一项五到十年的投资,但John Quest建议关注具有近期催化剂的公司。他指出Figure Technology Solutions (FIGR)公司,这是一个基于区块链构建的房屋净值信贷额度(HELOC)发放技术平台。其价值主张在于更快、更具成本效益的贷款发放,拥有令人印象深刻的运营利润率(42%)和净利润率(39%)。Figure通过与其他金融机构合作,而不是自行承担HELOC的财务风险,从而降低了风险,并受益于人们希望在不重新融资低利率抵押贷款的情况下获取房屋净值的需求。Matt Frankel补充说,“房东”,特别是像Invitation Homes (INVH)和American Homes for Rent (AMH)这样的独栋出租房地产投资信托基金(REITs),在长期高利率环境下,当租房比买房更普遍时,也可能成为受益者。
谈话随后转向了另一个极端:炒作周期。Tyler Crowe提到了“核能交易”的衰落,投资者热情减退,一些核能股票已从高点下跌50-88%,尽管该行业的商业前景几乎没有变化。这提醒人们不要仅仅根据感知到的趋势进行投资,而忽视基本面。Tyler分享了自己被2013-2014年页岩钻探炒作所坑的经历。
Matt Frankel回忆了他在2020-2021年SPAC热潮中的损失,提到了23andMe、Latch和Offerpad等公司。这些公司有引人注目的预测,但缺乏当前的收入来证明其高估值。他提出了“炒作检查”问题:该公司今天有真实的收入吗,还是估值基于预测?该业务需要多少事情顺利才能值其价格?另外,有没有一家“无聊的公司”仍然可以从这一趋势中受益(例如,IBM在量子计算领域)?John Quest承认在个性化健康和健身方面也有类似的经历,他投资了Peloton和Teladoc等公司,这些公司基于一个“持久趋势”,但其发展速度远低于预期。
主持人探讨了Gartner的“新兴技术炒作周期”模型,该模型描述了从快速创新和热情,到“幻灭的低谷”,再到缓慢进步和最终的“生产力平台期”的过程。他们还区分了“商业炒作周期”(如元宇宙或Web 3.0,公司本身过于乐观)和“投资者炒作周期”(投资者涌入几乎没有可量化竞争优势的上市前公司)。
总结讨论时,主持人分享了他们的成功策略。Tyler和John发现,等待市场成熟能取得更大的成功,而Matt则在炒作早期和炒作之后都赚过钱,但“从不在炒作周期的中间阶段”。最后,针对听众关于如何为10%的市场回调做准备的问题,John强调,等待投资可能不利于复利回报。他会增持像Mercado Libre这样的高信念头寸,或者如果Axon Enterprise (AXON)出现大幅回调,他会考虑买入。Matt建议投资Brookfield Corporation或Berkshire Hathaway,这些公司在市场恐慌期间通过收购资产而蓬勃发展。Tyler总结道,在当今波动的市场中,10%的回调可能不如20-30%的波动那样具有影响力。
The latest episode of Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing, hosted by Tyler Crowe with contributors Matt Frankel and John Quest, delves into the critical distinction between investing in durable business trends and falling victim to hype cycles. The discussion covers everything from the "apathy cycle" currently seen in the housing market to various "hype cycles" in technology and industry.
The podcast kicks off by examining the housing market, specifically homebuilders. Lennar, the largest homebuilder in the U.S., recently saw its stock trading below book value despite reporting earnings. Matt Frankel highlights that Lennar missed on both earnings and revenue, cut guidance, and offered "terrible comments" from its CEO. This led to buyer incentives reaching about 12% of the selling price, essentially "clearance sales" amidst rising interest rates. While construction costs are down and stock buybacks are occurring, the overall sentiment is one of apathy, driven by a credit tightening cycle that doesn't bode well for a quick recovery in housing.
While homebuilders might be a five-to-ten-year investment, John Quest suggests looking at companies with near-term catalysts. He points to Figure Technology Solutions (FIGR), a tech platform for home equity line of credit (HELOC) origination built on blockchain. Its value proposition lies in faster and more cost-effective loan origination, boasting impressive operating (42%) and net (39%) profit margins. Figure also enjoys less risk by partnering with other financial institutions rather than shouldering the financial risk of the HELOCs themselves, benefiting from people wanting to access home equity without refinancing their low-interest mortgages. Matt Frankel adds that "landlords," specifically single-family rental REITs like Invitation Homes (INVH) and American Homes for Rent (AMH), could also be beneficiaries in a prolonged high-interest rate environment where renting becomes more prevalent than buying.
The conversation then shifts to the opposite end of the spectrum: hype cycles. Tyler Crowe notes the "fading fortunes of the nuclear trade," where investor enthusiasm has waned, and several nuclear stocks are down 50-88% from their highs, despite little change to the industry's business outlook. This serves as a cautionary tale against investing solely based on perceived trends without considering fundamentals. Tyler shares his own experience getting burned by the 2013-2014 shale drilling hype.
Matt Frankel recalls his losses during the 2020-2021 SPAC boom, citing companies like 23andMe, Latch, and Offerpad. These companies had compelling projections but lacked the current revenue to justify their high valuations. He offers "hype check" questions: Does the company have real revenue today, or is the valuation based on projections? How many things need to go right for the business to be worth its price? And, is there a "boring company" that can still benefit from the trend (e.g., IBM for quantum computing)? John Quest admits similar experiences with personalized health and fitness, having invested in companies like Peloton and Teladoc, which were based on a "durable trend" that played out much slower than anticipated.
The hosts explore Gartner's "hype cycle for emerging technologies" model, moving from rapid innovation and enthusiasm to a "trough of disillusionment" before slow progress and eventual "plateau productivity." They also distinguish between "business hype cycles" (like the metaverse or Web 3.0, where companies themselves were overly optimistic) and "investor hype cycles" (where investors pour into pre-revenue companies with little quantifiable competitive advantage).
Concluding the discussion, the hosts share their strategies for success. Tyler and John find more success by waiting for markets to mature, while Matt has made money both early and after the hype, but "never in the middle of the hype cycle." Finally, addressing a listener's question about preparing for a 10% market correction, John emphasizes that waiting to invest can be detrimental to compounding returns. He would add to high-conviction positions like Mercado Libre or consider Axon Enterprise (AXON) if it saw a significant pullback. Matt suggests Brookfield Corporation or Berkshire Hathaway, companies that thrive by acquiring assets during market panics. Tyler concludes that in today's volatile market, a 10% correction might not be as impactful as 20-30% movements.
摘要
Every few years, a investing theme comes about that momentarily captures the zeitgeist, but then fades into the background just as quickly. Anyone that has invested in nuclear stocks recently is the most recent in a long line of investing trends that get caught up in frantic enthusiasm that far surpasses the industry’s progress. Jon, Matt, and Tyler share war stories of the hype cycles they got caught up in and how investors can avoid that fate. Plus, Lennar’s earnings in a rate hike cycle and the mailbag.
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Tyler Crowe, Matt Frankel, and Jon Quast discuss:
- Homebuilders in a rate hike cycle.
- Are there housing stocks that aren’t playing the waiting game?
- Hype cycles vs. durable trends
- What part of the cycle fits you best?
- Mailbag: Pullback stock ideas.
Companies discussed: LEN, FIGR, UPST, INVH, AMH, OKLO, PTON, FIVE, XYZ, MELI, AXON, BN
Host: Tyler Crowe
Guests: Jon Quast, Matt Frankel
Engineer: Dan Boyd
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