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在一次广泛的讨论中，Harry Stebbings 和 Founder Collective 的 David Frankel 深入探讨了风险投资的现状、人工智能的影响以及他们在投资策略上的不同理念。 Frankel 强调 Founder Collective 在种子期投资中采取精品化、严谨的策略，驳斥了规模在 5000 万至 1 亿美元的大型种子基金是最佳选择的观点。他认为这类基金“大到无法协作”，同时“小到不足以主导大型种子轮融资”。相反，FC 注重耐心，致力于识别出“那一位”卓越的创始人，并经常充当初创公司的“保险单”，在大型融资轮中投入较小金额。他承认自己“痴迷于”寻找这些稀有而有影响力的创始人。 对话很快转向人工智能，Frankel 指出现在“人人都在做人工智能”，并质疑许多热门人工智能公司的资本效率。Stebbings 就估值问题向 Frankel 提出质疑，认为在一个由热门交易驱动的市场中，“价格比以往任何时候都更不重要”。然而，Frankel 对种子期的“无上限票据”（uncapped notes）表示遗憾，并坚称价格对于投资回报至关重要。 两人都承认当前市场存在泡沫。Frankel 表示：“泡沫会变得更大。这是我们生命中的浪潮。”他预见到将有大量的“市场淘汰者”和一次“互联网泡沫破裂”——这是一个“必然的如果，而不是何时的问题”。然而，他认为种子期投资仍然可行，因为即使在数十亿美元规模的成功案例中持有少量股份，也足以使基金获得回报。 讨论的核心矛盾在于 FC 严谨的基金规模控制与行业巨型基金趋势之间的对比。Stebbings 质疑，鉴于 FC 过去的业绩（包括对 Coupang、Uber、Shield AI、Suno 的投资），为何不募集更多资金。Frankel 解释说，他们致力于成为自身基金的最大有限合伙人，优先考虑“已分配资本与实缴资本比率”（DPI）而非管理费，并希望专注于早期投资的精工细作。他坚决驳斥 Stebbings 关于“十亿美元估值是新的 A 轮”这一针对他们策略的挑衅性言论，认为这种做法适用于快速退出至关重要的“动量型业务”。 关于股权问题，Stebbings 回忆称，曾因持股比例过低而拒绝了一些后来取得巨大成功的交易。Frankel 将“按比例增持权”（pro rata）称为“原罪一般”，但澄清说，对于真正卓越的创始人，FC 会接受较小的股份。他强调了二级市场流动性的增加，并指出即使对于表现最佳的公司，提前套现一部分资金也能显著提高 DPI。 关于创始人素质，Frankel 将普通的“创始人”与真正的“企业家”区分开来，强调后者具有坚韧不拔的精神和快速学习的能力。他寻找联合创始人之间的“化学反应”，并对“裙带关系宝宝”（Nepo babies）情有独钟——他将其定义为拥有深厚、传承的垂直领域专业知识的人。 展望未来，Frankel 认为人工智能将引发翻天覆地的变化，取代谷歌和微软等现有巨头，并催生出万亿美元的公司。他预测人工智能将带来“巨大的生产力提升”，而非大规模失业，并强调再培训以及适应新工具的思维灵活性至关重要。他还强调了创新的速度，像光子计算这样的潜在颠覆者已在眼前。 Frankel 的个人哲学，由经验塑造而成，认为“善良以及我们彼此互动的方式”才是真正重要的。他的投资理念依然简单：“我喜欢它，因为……一位痴迷于某个深层领域的创始人能够创造出‘庞然大物’。”尽管未来面临快速的周期和监管挑战，他依然对人工智能在改善慢性病和医疗保健方面的潜力感到兴奋。

In a wide-ranging discussion, Harry Stebbings and David Frankel from Founder Collective delve into the current state of venture capital, the impact of AI, and their differing philosophies on investment strategy. Frankel emphasizes Founder Collective's boutique, disciplined approach to seed-stage investing, rejecting the notion that larger, $50-$100 million seed funds are optimal. He believes such funds are "too big to be collaborative" and "too small to lead large seed rounds." Instead, FC focuses on patience, identifying "the one" exceptional founder, and often acts as an "insurance policy" for startups, investing smaller checks alongside larger rounds. He admits to an "addiction" to finding these rare, impactful founders. The conversation quickly pivots to AI, with Frankel noting that "everyone's AI" now, questioning the capital efficiency of many hot AI companies. Stebbings challenges Frankel on valuations, suggesting "price matters less than ever" in a market driven by access to hot deals. Frankel, however, laments "uncapped notes" at the seed stage and maintains that price fundamentally matters for returns. Both acknowledge the current market as a bubble. Frankel states, "the bubbles get bigger. This is the wave of our lives." He foresees significant "roadkill" and a "dot-com crash" – a "definite if, not a question of when." However, he believes seed investing remains viable because even a modest stake in a multi-billion dollar outcome can return a fund. A core tension in the discussion is FC's disciplined fund size versus the industry trend of mega-funds. Stebbings questions why FC doesn't raise more, given their track record (Coupang, Uber, Shield AI, Suno). Frankel explains their commitment to being the largest LP in their own funds, prioritizing Distributed to Paid In (DPI) over management fees, and the desire to stay focused on early-stage craft. He firmly rejects Stebbings' provocation that "a billion-dollar valuation is the new Series A" for their strategy, arguing that such plays are for "momentum business" where quick exits are paramount. On ownership, Stebbings recounts turning down deals that later became huge successes due to low ownership percentages. Frankel calls "pro rata almost like the original sin," but clarifies that for truly exceptional founders, FC will take smaller stakes. He highlights the increased liquidity in secondary markets, suggesting that taking some money off the table earlier, even for top performers, can significantly boost DPI. Regarding founder quality, Frankel differentiates between mere "founders" and true "entrepreneurs," emphasizing the latter's fortitude and learning curve. He looks for "alchemy" between co-founders and has a unique affection for "Nepo babies" – his definition being individuals with deep, inherited vertical expertise. Looking ahead, Frankel sees AI causing a seismic shift, displacing incumbents like Google and Microsoft, and leading to trillion-dollar companies. He predicts "tremendous productivity gains" rather than mass unemployment, emphasizing the importance of retraining and mental plasticity with new tools. He also highlights the speed of innovation, with potential disruptors like photonic computing already on the horizon. Frankel's personal philosophy, shaped by experience, is that "kindness and how we interact with each other" are what truly matter. His investment thesis remains simple: "I love it because..." an obsessive, deep-domain founder can build something "ginormous." He remains excited about AI's potential to transform chronic conditions and healthcare, despite the rapid cycles and regulatory challenges ahead.