Two Novelists Have an Epic Conversation (Elif Shafak & Robert Macfarlane Interview)

Learn more about Alpha School at ⁠https://go.alpha.school/howiwrite Elif Shafak and Robert Macfarlane are two of the most dreamy and articulate writers I know. Elif has written 21 books, 13 of which are novels, and she’s the president of the Royal Society of Literature. Robert writes about the natural world, and he does so in such a poetic and enchanted way. His writing is infused with wonder. I’ve had both of them on the show individually, but I said, “Hey, I know you’re really good friends. Let’s all get together for one conversation. What I want to do is hear the kind of conversation you would have over a cup of coffee or over lunch.” And so here I’m like you, a fly on the wall for a conversation between two really interesting writers. 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:44 How to turn emotion into words 00:04:58 Linear vs non-linear writing 00:09:05 Listen well to write well 00:20:25 Why write about nature 00:24:21 Language, rhythm and cadence 00:29:07 Do writers need to be bored? 00:35:43 Write what you feel 00:43:23 What are the limits of reason 00:47:56 Give readers a new way to see 00:50:25 Find the big in the small 00:57:54 How to improve your writing *About the host* Hey! I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. *Follow me* Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidPerellChannel Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv X: https://x.com/david_perell

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