TIVP086 (Video): Perimeter Solutions (PRM): A Niche Monopoly, One Acquisition at a Time w/ Kyle Grieve and Shawn O'Malley

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以下是内容的中文翻译: Perimeter Solutions 公司由尼古拉斯·霍利(Nicholas Howley)领导,他此前曾将 TransTime 打造为一家市值 750 亿美元的航空航天利基垄断企业。Perimeter Solutions 的崛起,成为了一个引人入胜的连续兼并案例研究。该公司与威廉·桑代克(William Thorndike,*《局外人》*作者)和特雷西·布里特·库尔(Tracy Britt Cool,伯克希尔哈撒韦前高管)等董事会成员分享的战略是,通过收购各行业内高质量的利基业务来复制 TransTime 的成功。这种方法已取得成功,自 2021 年以来,公司营收增长已超过 40%。 Perimeter Solutions 成立于 2021 年,当时由霍利及其团队创立的 EverArk Holdings 与最初的 Perimeter Solutions 业务合并,交易金额约为 20 亿美元。其收购筛选标准有五项:经常性收入、长期结构性增长顺风、高价值/低成本产品、有形资本高回报率以及通过收购实现增值增长。 公司主要在两个业务部门运营: 1. **消防安全:** 最初是公司的“皇冠上的明珠”,该部门生产和销售用于扑灭野火、工业和建筑物火灾的阻燃剂、灭火剂及相关设备。客户范围从政府机构(如加州森林防火局 Cal Fire 和美国农业部林业局 USDA Forest Services)到全球商业实体。Perimeter 的竞争优势包括:由于严苛的美国农业部产品审批流程(毒性、腐蚀性、耗时多年的现场评估)而形成的高进入壁垒;客户因整合人员、设备和培训而产生的高转换成本;以及其产品所具备的关键任务性质。该部门正日益向“剃刀-刀片”模式多元化发展,服务收入(空军基地基础设施的设计、安装、维护和运营)在部门收入中所占比例不断增长(从 2022 年的 13% 增至 2025 年的 22%),这增加了粘性、经常性收入,并降低了仅与火灾季节相关的周期性。 2. **特种产品:** 该部门已进行了显著的多元化。 * **五硫化二磷 (PS):** 作为一种基础产品,这种化学品是发动机油中抗磨润滑油添加剂的关键原料。由于其高反应性、危险的运输要求和严格的法规,该产品具有高进入壁垒。Perimeter 在此领域已保持 70 年的市场领先地位。 * **智能制造解决方案 (IMS):** 于 2024 年以 3300 万美元收购,IMS 是一家垂直整合的印刷电路板制造商。其专注于国防、能源基础设施和医疗系统客户,提供了以服务和维护为主的收入流,尽管 PCB 通常已商品化,但仍能带来经常性收入。 * **医疗制造技术 (MMT):** 于 2025 年第四季度以近 7 亿美元收购,MMT 生产用于医疗制造行业的精密机械(例如,支架压接机、导管切割机)。该部门带来了强劲的内生增长、庞大的装机基础需要定期维护以及专有产品,这与霍利 TransTime 策略的特点高度契合。MMT 有望超出最初的收入和调整后 EBITDA 预测,这将显著提升特种产品部门的表现,并降低公司对野火周期性的依赖。 **竞争优势与战略:** Perimeter 在其各个部门中利用了高进入壁垒(监管、技术专长)、高转换成本和任务关键型产品。管理团队识别和整合这些利基业务、改进运营并提高利润率的能力是其核心优势。他们的资本配置战略强调收购盈利业务、提高效率和优化定价,通常在收购后能带来强劲的内生增长。 **风险与担忧:** * **创始人咨询费:** 一个主要的争议点,该费用包括固定年费(占 IPO 股份的 1.5%,2027 年到期)和可变费用(高于 10 美元的市值增值的 18%,2031 年到期),主要以股票支付。这笔费用可能导致显著的 GAAP 净收入亏损(例如,过去 12 个月为负 1.9 亿美元),使得盈利能力评估变得困难并稀释股东权益。虽然股票回购部分抵消了稀释,但费用规模及其对股价的依赖性混淆了财务报告。 * **债务:** MMT 收购后,长期债务达 12 亿美元,利息覆盖率为 3 倍(若扣除咨询费则为 6 倍)。虽然目前的利率合理,但如此高的杠杆率几乎没有容错空间,特别是对于收入波动的业务而言。 * **诉讼:** Perimeter 正面临关于其消防泡沫中 PFAS/氟化物的持续诉讼,类似于 3M 和杜邦(导致数十亿美元赔偿)所面临的诉讼。此外,Sojit(伊利诺伊州)关键 PS 生产设施的运营控制权也存在诉讼,影响供应。 * **执行风险:** 业务多元化进入医疗制造机械等全新行业,尽管初期迹象积极,但仍存在固有的执行风险。 * **客户集中度:** 消防安全部门严重依赖少数大型政府客户,存在续约风险。 **估值:** 主持人的基本假设是收入增长 15%(由于并购的非线性特征,低于历史 46%),调整后 EBITDA 利润率为 51%,退出倍数为 17 倍。这得出每股 62 美元的内在价值。应用 25% 的安全边际,目标买入价格为每股 46 美元。然而,考虑到创始人咨询费的重大影响、债务水平以及各种诉讼风险,主持人目前认为该股票在当前价格下缺乏吸引力,仅当其大幅跌至 20 美元左右时才表示兴趣。挑战在于,在会计复杂性和其基础业务多元化且不相关的性质下,评估其真实的经济表现。

Perimeter Solutions emerges as a fascinating case study in serial acquisition, led by Nicholas Howley, who previously built TransTime into a $75 billion aerospace niche monopoly. The company's strategy, shared with board members like William Thorndike (author of *The Outsiders*) and Tracy Britt Cool (formerly of Berkshire Hathaway), is to replicate TransTime's success by acquiring high-quality, niche businesses across various industries. This approach has already proven successful, with revenue growth exceeding 40% since 2021. Perimeter Solutions was formed in 2021 when EverArk Holdings, founded by Howley and his team, merged with the initial Perimeter Solutions business for approximately $2 billion. The screening criteria for acquisitions are five-fold: recurring revenue, long-term secular growth tailwinds, high-value/low-cost products, high returns on tangible capital, and accretive growth through acquisitions. The company operates primarily in two segments: 1. **Fire Safety:** Initially the "crown jewel," this segment manufactures and sells fire retardants, suppressants, and related equipment for fighting wildfires, industrial, and structural fires. Customers range from governmental agencies (like Cal Fire and USDA Forest Services) to global commercial entities. Perimeter's competitive advantages include high barriers to entry due to rigorous USDA product approval processes (toxicity, corrosion, field evaluations taking multiple years), significant switching costs for customers (due to integrated staff, equipment, and training), and the mission-critical nature of its products. The segment has increasingly diversified towards a "razor-blade" model, with service revenues (design, installation, maintenance, and operation of air base infrastructure) growing as a percentage of segment revenue (from 13% in 2022 to 22% in 2025), adding sticky, recurring income and reducing cyclicality linked solely to fire seasons. 2. **Specialty Products:** This segment has undergone significant diversification. * **Phosphorus Pentasulfide (PS):** A foundational product, this chemical is a key input for anti-wear lubricant additives in engine oil. It boasts high barriers to entry due to its highly reactive nature, dangerous transport requirements, and tight regulations. Perimeter has been a market leader for 70 years. * **Intelligent Manufacturing Solutions (IMS):** Acquired in 2024 for $33 million, IMS is a vertically integrated printed circuit board manufacturer. Its focus on defense, energy infrastructure, and medical systems customers provides a service and maintenance-heavy revenue stream, offering recurring income despite PCBs often being commoditized. * **Medical Manufacturing Technologies (MMT):** Purchased for nearly $700 million in Q4 2025, MMT makes precision machinery (e.g., stent crimpers, catheter tube cutters) for the medical manufacturing industry. This segment brings strong organic growth, a large install base requiring regular servicing, and proprietary products, aligning closely with Howley's TransTime playbook attributes. MMT is expected to exceed initial revenue and adjusted EBITDA projections, significantly boosting the specialty products segment and reducing the company's exposure to wildfire cyclicality. **Competitive Advantages & Strategy:** Perimeter leverages high barriers to entry (regulatory, technical expertise), significant switching costs, and mission-critical products across its segments. The management team's ability to identify and integrate these niche businesses, improve their operations, and enhance margins is a core strength. Their capital allocation strategy emphasizes buying profitable businesses, improving efficiency, and optimizing pricing, often resulting in strong organic growth post-acquisition. **Risks & Concerns:** * **Founder's Advisory Fee:** A major point of contention, this fee consists of a fixed annual amount (1.5% of IPO shares, expiring 2027) and a variable amount (18% of market value appreciation above $10, expiring 2031), paid mostly in stock. This fee can lead to significant GAAP net income losses (e.g., -$190M TTM), making profitability assessment difficult and diluting shareholders. While share buybacks partially offset dilution, the fee's scale and stock-price-dependent nature muddy financial reporting. * **Debt:** Following the MMT acquisition, long-term debt stands at $1.2 billion, with an interest coverage ratio of 3x (6x when adjusted for the advisory fee). While current interest rates are reasonable, such leverage leaves little room for error, especially for a business with fluctuating revenues. * **Litigation:** Perimeter faces ongoing lawsuits concerning PFAS/fluorine in its firefighting foams, similar to those faced by 3M and DuPont (which resulted in multi-billion dollar payouts). There's also litigation regarding operational control of the key PS production facility (Sojit, Illinois), impacting supply. * **Execution Risk:** Diversifying into entirely new industries like medical manufacturing machinery carries inherent execution risks, despite initial positive signs. * **Customer Concentration:** The fire safety segment relies heavily on a few large governmental customers, posing renewal risk. **Valuation:** The host's base case assumes 15% revenue growth (down from historical 46% due to anticipated M&A lumpiness), 51% adjusted EBITDA margins, and a 17x exit multiple. This yields an intrinsic value of $62 per share. Applying a 25% margin of safety, the target entry price is $46 per share. However, given the significant impact of the founder's advisory fee, the debt levels, and various litigation risks, the hosts currently find the stock unattractive at present prices, expressing interest only if it were to drop significantly into the low $20s. The challenge lies in evaluating the true economic performance amidst accounting complexities and the diversified, unrelated nature of its underlying businesses.

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In today's episode, Kyle Grieve and Shawn O’Malley analyze Perimeter Solutions, a niche industrial conglomerate built by Transdigm's legendary founder Nick Howley using the same playbook that turned Transdigm into a multi-decade compounder. They break down how the company operates two very different segments, from wildfire retardants and airbase logistics to specialty chemicals and precision medical manufacturing equipment, each built around sticky, mission-critical customer relationships. They’ll also cover the company's acquisition strategy, its unusual founder's advisory fee, and the debt and litigation risks that complicate an otherwise compelling capital allocation story. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: (00:00:00) Intro (00:00:34) Why the Transdigm playbook is worth cloning (00:04:20) How this management team built a public compounding machine (00:07:42) Why one segment profits directly from worsening wildfires (00:16:05) The chemical monopoly hiding inside a boring business (00:27:27) What makes these niche products nearly impossible to replace (00:37:14) How disciplined acquisitions have created so much shareholder value (00:43:19) The controversial fee structure investors aren’t big fans of (01:07:07) Valuation discussion of PRM (01:09:54) Intrinsic value of PRM (01:11:43) Whether Kyle and Shawn will add PRM to the Intrinsic Value Portfolio Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Mastermind Community⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Track ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Portfolio⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn more about how to join us in NYC for our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Intrinsic Value Conference⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Kyle on ⁠⁠X⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠. Related ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mentioned in the podcast. Ad-free episodes on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Premium Feed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. NEW TO THE SHOW? Get smarter about valuing businesses through ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Intrinsic Value Newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Investor’s Podcast Starter Packs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow our official social media accounts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TIP Finance⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Enjoy exclusive perks from our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠favorite Apps and Services⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠best business podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠sponsors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fiscal.AI⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ References to any third-party products, services, or advertisers do not constitute endorsements, and The Investor’s Podcast Network is not responsible for any claims made by them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

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