Did Anthropic Use the Pope as a Marketing Stunt? Ft. Amir Efrati

This week on More or Less, Amir Efrati of The Information joins Jessica, Brit, and Dave to unpack the growing intersection of AI, government, and national security, from the rumored stalled executive AI order to why frontier model companies may soon face deeper U.S. oversight and pre-release access demands. The group debates whether slowing AI adoption is really a pricing and UX problem, why AI agents are causing token consumption to explode, and whether most consumers even want an always-on personal agent. They also dive into the geopolitical implications of data centers and open-source software, AI’s impact on entertainment and voice cloning, Hollywood’s anxiety over originality, and the strange new world where even papal writings prompt questions about whether AI had a hand in shaping the message. Chapters: 1:57 — AI Predictions, Whispering to Models & Forecasting the Future 4:37 — AI, National Security & the Trump Administration 6:52 — The Pope’s AI Document, Closed Models & Security Risks 11:56 — AI Regulation, Job Fears & Public Sentiment 15:45 — Is AI Adoption Slowing Down? Pricing, ROI & Enterprise Reality 21:00 — Agents, CIOs & Whether Mainstream Users Will Ever Embrace AI 36:00 — AI Entertainment, Voice Cloning & Hollywood’s Future 41:52 — Going Off-Grid, Book Recommendations & Digital Detoxes 47:00 — Mark Rober, CrunchLabs & the $10,000 Bullseye Story We’re also on ↓ X: https://twitter.com/moreorlesspod Instagram: https://instagram.com/moreorless Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/moreorlesspod Connect with us here: 1) Sam Lessin: https://x.com/lessin 2) Dave Morin: https://x.com/davemorin 3) Jessica Lessin: https://x.com/Jessicalessin 4) Brit Morin: https://x.com/brit

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