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We start with some important business: Nilay has a flight to catch, and is very worried he won’t catch it. Also, it’s Apple’s 50th anniversary next week, and we’re going to spend the week debating which Apple products are the best Apple products. (Head to the ad-free Vergecast feed to hear our selection show!) But mostly, this episode is about social media. In two key trials this week, juries found social platforms liable not for the content they display but for the actual structure and features of the platform. That could change the way social media companies act, and how users fight back. After that, it’s time for the silliness of the router ban, the latest in the chatbot wars, and an update on what’s happening with Grammarly’s Expert Voices feature. Help us rank Apple's 50 best products of all time: https://www.theverge.com/cs/tech/900477/apple-50-anniversary-rank-products/ Watch the LimeWire Episode of Version History here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4w-9p9bo2A 0:00 Bluetooth and AI Banter 00:50 Morning Show Agenda 02:36 Airport Chaos and TSA 04:40 Chicago Keynote Preview 07:20 Apple Turns Fifty 08:48 Ranking Apple Products 13:44 Nilay’s iMac Monitor Mod 18:48 Keeping the MacBook Neo 24:35 Social Media Trials Begin 25:32 Bellwether Case Explained 28:08 Emotional Courtroom Fallout 29:19 Section 230 and Design 30:10 Section 230 vs First Amendment 32:38 Product Design Liability Theory 34:53 Lemmon v Snap Precedent 38:29 Public Backlash and No Competition 44:32 Courts as Last Resort 54:34 The Lightning Round 57:11 Brendan Carr is a Dummy 01:00:11 FCC Router Ban Stupidity 01:05:39 Router Security Fixes 01:07:17 FCC Shakedown Theory 01:11:08 AI Music Royalty Scam 01:17:30 Supreme Court vs Cox 01:19:40 Chatbot Super App Race 01:23:31 People Not Automation 01:27:13 Grammarly Expert Voices 01:31:45 AI Mistakes and Metrics 01:36:55 Taste Cannot Be Rules 01:38:49 Wrap Up and Plugs Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLv Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc Subscribe to The Verge: https://bit.ly/3FT6n5S Subscribe to The Vergecast on YouTube, new episodes on Tuesday and Friday: https://bit.ly/3I6nJtz If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3ZWTlLs

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