Google’s search engine “panic,” AI-generated hits, Coinbase considers leaving US market | E1723

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(0:00) Jason and Rachel tee up today’s topics (1:43) Samsung’s possible switch to Bing (10:08) LinkedIn Jobs - Post your first job for free at https://linkedin.com/twist (11:30) Google’s effort to catch OpenAI (13:24) Google’s Project Magi (20:20) Merge - Integrate up to 3 customers for free today at https://merge.dev/twist (21:48) AI-generated hits: Heart on My Sleeve (33:16) Mercury - Apply in minutes and get up to $5M in FDIC insurance at https://mercury.com (34:45) Real Kanye or Fake Kanye (40:41) AI Jason and a special guest (49:25) Coinbase considers leaving the US market Subscribe to This Week in Startups on Apple: https://rb.gy/v19fcp FOLLOW Rachel: https://twitter.com/_rachelbraun FOLLOW Jason: https://linktr.ee/calacanis Thanks to our partners: (10:08) LinkedIn Jobs - Post your first job for free at https://linkedin.com/twist (20:20) Merge - Integrate up to 3 customers for free today at https://merge.dev/twist (33:16) Mercury - Apply in minutes and get up to $5M in FDIC insurance at https://mercury.com Listen here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-week-in-startups-audio/id315114957 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6ULQ0ewYf5zmsDgBchlkr9 Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes315114957/this-week-in-startups-audio More from us: Twitter: https://twitter.com/twistartups Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twistartups Official site: https://thisweekinstartups.com Subscribe to our YouTube to watch all full episodes: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkkhmBWfS7pILYIk0izkc3A?sub_confirmation=1 Subscribe to TWiST Clips for all the best moments: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS7tJlcUA6PzVHEMo-X7ddg?sub_confirmation=1 #startups #entrepreneurship #investing #angelinvesting #tech #news #business

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Hey, everybody. We've got an amazing show for you today. Rachel is back joining me to discuss recent reports about Samsung trying to negotiate its default search deal with Google and maybe move to Bing.

大家好，今天我们为大家带来了一场精彩的节目。Rachel回来了，今天我们要讨论最近有关三星正在尝试与谷歌重新谈判其默认搜索协议，并可能转向必应的报告。

So we also discussed how Google can still win the AI race and beat open AI and Microsoft. And then we cover some craziness in the AI generated voice space. Yes. There is a fake Drake and the weekend song that went mega viral. It's been taken down since. But I was fooled by it. We're going to play a new game show where Jason is going to guess the real Kanye song and then the producers trained a model of Jason and a very special guest joined him. I was very surprised that we were able to lock in this AI guest. And so this could be very big briefly.

我们还讨论了如何让谷歌赢得人工智能比赛并击败Open AI和微软。然后我们探讨了一些人工智能生成声音的疯狂事情。是的，有一个假的Drake和The Weekend的歌曲迅速走红。它已经被下架了。但我被骗了。我们将玩一个新的游戏节目，Jason将猜测真正的Kanye歌曲，然后制片人训练了一个Jason的模型，还有一个非常特别的嘉宾加入了他。我非常惊讶我们能有这个人工智能嘉宾。这可能会是很大的突破。

I'm going to talk about my feelings about Brian Armstrong saying he might move Coinbase out of the United States. It's going to be a great show. Stick with us.

我想谈谈我对Brian Armstrong表示可能将Coinbase移出美国的感受。这将是一场很棒的节目。请继续关注我们。

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Hey everybody. It's Tuesday. A lot of news is backed up. I'm on the road right now is at starbase yesterday for the launch which got scrubbed. But I'll be there on Thursday. I think I might record all in from a starbase. And hopefully fingers crossed. We have a successful launch on Thursday. And so if you want to watch all that go to YouTube or Twitter and follow SpaceX.

大家好，今天是星期二。很多新闻积压了。我现在正在路上，昨天在星基地为发射做准备，但被取消了。但我会在星期四到达那里。我想我可能会从星基地录制"All In"节目。希望十指紧扣，星期四的发射可以成功。如果你想观看这一切，请去YouTube或Twitter关注SpaceX。

But exciting times right now. And I thought God so much new uses backed up. I'd have Rachel back on the program to to tee it up for us. And to get started. How are you doing Rachel?

现在是令人兴奋的时刻。我觉得上帝给了我很多新用途，所以我要让瑞秋重回节目，为我们开场。那么，瑞秋，你怎么样呢？我们开始吧。

I'm doing good. And like before we start I have to say you are already doing something that's kind of I don't know if this is like newsworthy. But it's definitely trendy right now. And that's blurring your background. The more meetings I've been on, the more background blurs have been happening. I think it's like the office. You know what I mean? Yeah. The issue for me now is when I'm on the road and I'm traveling like three different cities this week. Sometimes the back there's no background. You know like so if you get a nice hotel room, you know there's a desk, there's a chair, you can kind of frame it. But nobody wants to see my hotel bedroom or whatever where I'm saying. And so I've been going blurred background. But when I'm in Tahoe. Hey, this now I see the skiers going by. It's a great room at my home studio. It's all good.

我很好。在开始之前，我必须说你已经在做一些很时髦的事情，虽然我不知道这是否新闻价值。但现在正是模糊背景的时代。我参加的会议越多，背景就越来越模糊。我觉得这就像在办公室里一样。你知道我是什么意思吗？是的。我现在的问题是，当我在路上旅行，在这个星期要去三个不同的城市时，有时候背景是没有的。你知道，如果你住在一个漂亮的酒店房间里，有桌子、椅子，你可以把它框起来。但没有人想看我的酒店卧室或者我在哪里说话。所以我一直在使用模糊的背景。但在塔霍时，我现在可以看到滑雪者们经过。这是我家的一个很棒的工作室。一切都很好。

So I think you've been following this. There's just a lot of news around generative AI and the reaction to it. So let's get started there.

我想你一直在关注这个。目前关于生成AI的新闻和对其反应很多，所以让我们从这里开始吧。

Yeah. So there is some big news in the search space. Google is reportedly in panic mode and working on an entirely new search engine after discovering that Samsung is considering switching to Bing as its default search engine on all of its devices. So on Monday, the New York Times reported that last month Google learned Samsung was considering replacing its search engine with Bing as the default search on all devices. And according to New York Times sources, Google's deal with Samsung is worth around $3 billion in revenue per year for Google due to traffic.

是的，搜索领域有一些重要的消息。据报道，谷歌处于恐慌状态，并正在开发一款全新的搜索引擎，原因是发现三星正考虑将必应搜索引擎作为其所有设备的默认搜索引擎。周一，纽约时报报道称谷歌上个月得知三星考虑将Bing作为其所有设备的默认搜索引擎。根据纽约时报的消息来源，由于流量，谷歌与三星的交易价值约为每年30亿美元。

And this is similar to the deal that they had with Apple. In 2021, Google reportedly paid Apple around $15 billion to maintain its status as the default search engine on all Apple devices. And before that, it was paying Apple around $10 billion a year.

这和他们与苹果达成的协议类似。据报道，谷歌在2021年支付约150亿美元给苹果，以保持其作为所有苹果设备上默认搜索引擎的地位。在此之前，谷歌每年支付苹果约100亿美元。

So Jason, can you explain a little bit about that like smartphone contracts, especially with Apple?

所以Jason，你能简单解释一下类似智能手机合约的东西，尤其是与苹果相关的吗？

Sure. So when you own the smartphone, you get to set the defaults of the phone. Samsung is one of the great handset manufacturers in the world along with Apple. When they set search up in Safari or whatever browser they use on the Samsung devices, the default search will result in a large number of searches. Just think how many people didn't go into the settings and switch their search engine. If it's Google, that's the leading one. You're not going to switch it out. So years ago, people started realizing, hey, this is worth some money. So Apple, Samsung, and others bit it out. And they said, who would like this search revenue? So it gives you a base of users.

当你拥有智能手机时，你可以设置默认值。三星是全球伟大的手机制造商之一，与苹果一样。当他们在Safari或任何Samsung设备使用的浏览器中设置搜索时，默认搜索结果将会很多。想想多少人没有进入设置并切换他们的搜索引擎。如果是Google，那就是领先的搜索引擎，你不会把它换掉。因此，多年前，人们开始意识到，嘿，这值一些钱。所以苹果、三星和其他公司都参加了竞标。他们说，谁想获得这个搜索收入？这给你一个用户群基础。

Now, what's important about this is this is only 2% of Google search monopoly. If, you know, it really is a monopoly. People like to pretend that Google doesn't have a search monopoly. They do. They have 70, 80, 90% of the searches in different regions around the world.

现在，这件事情的重要之处在于，谷歌搜索垄断只占谷歌搜索的2%。如果真的算是垄断的话。人们喜欢假装谷歌不具有搜索垄断地位，但实际上它确实具有。在世界各地的不同地区，谷歌搜索垄断率高达70、80、90%。

Now, of the pie of the overall advertising business, they have much less because you have other players, right? Amazon has a new business. Netflix added ads. You have Bing, of course. You have Uber. Now has an ad network that they think is going to do a billion dollars this year or maybe next year. So there are other pieces of the pie linked in has been crushing it, obviously, with their ad program.

现在整个广告业的饼图中，他们所占份额要少得多，因为有其他竞争者，对吧？亚马逊有新的业务，Netflix增加了广告，当然还有必应、优步。现在有一个广告网络，他们认为今年或明年将创造 10 亿美元的收入。因此，饼图中还有其他的份额，而 LinkedIn 显然正在大力推进他们的广告计划。

But for search, it's critically important to get these default searches for two reasons. One, when you're going to buy ads, it basically means you're going to spend more attention as an ad buyer on the Google ad network because you have larger reach, more reach equals more investment from the advertisers in learning how to use that, setting up the keywords, etc. So it makes it kind of a block or strategy.

然而对于搜索来说，获取这些默认搜索是至关重要的，理由有两个。首先，如果你要购买广告，那就意味着你会在谷歌广告网络上花更多的时间，因为默认搜索能够覆盖更多的用户群体，而这就意味着广告投放者需要更多的投资来了解如何使用该平台、设置关键词等等，这就形成了一种固定的策略。

Now, if they were to lose the Samsung one, it wouldn't be like a big deal. They lost the Apple one that would be a big deal. And there were very credible rumors. And I have, let's just say, you know, I want to say inside information, because I don't want bells to go off. But I have a whisper network.

如果他们失去三星合作，那也不会太大的问题。但如果失去苹果合作，那就是大问题了。这里有很可信的传言。我有一些内部消息，但我不想引起注意。我有一个传声网络。

Apple was considering maybe going into the search business at some point. And if you look at their spotlight search, right? You do a search on your iPhone. It'll tell you if you, you know, here's the apps on your phone. Maybe here's it looking deep into Yelp, some results. And then I will tell you to search the web. This is a small percentage.

苹果公司曾经考虑过进入搜索业务。如果你看看他们的聚焦搜索，你会发现你在iPhone上搜索时，它会告诉你你的手机上有哪些应用程序，可能会深入Yelp等应用中，提供一些结果，然后建议你去搜索网络。这只是一个很小的比例。

And what's really happening here is Samsung wants a better price at a Google. And they're doing what any good, you know, owner of traffic and users will do is they're stirring the pot trying to get Google to pay more money. And so maybe Bing and Microsoft will overpay for this. But this is just great for Samsung because it's free money. They get 100% of this because right to the bottom line, it's this is not the consequential contract.

这里实际发生的是，三星想要在谷歌那里得到更好的价格。他们正像任何一位好的流量和用户所有者一样，煽动局面，试图让谷歌支付更多的钱。也许必应和微软会支付过高的价格。但这对三星来说只有好处，因为这是免费的钱。他们可以获得这笔100%的收益，因为这并不是重要的合同。

The consequential contract is iPhones. Again, for not just their reach, but because those are the well-heeled customers. That's the the customers with more discretionary spending. Those are the ones who are driving Tesla's Mercedes, going on fan-tier trips. And let's face it, Android phones are a third of the price, a quarter of the price. They may be their clicks are not as expensive.

重要的合约是iPhone。这不仅因为它们的市场覆盖范围广泛，而且因为这些是有更多自由支配收入的富裕客户。这些人是那些正在开特斯拉或梅赛德斯走上顶级旅行的人。而且我们必须承认，安卓手机的价格是iPhone的三分之一或四分之一，它们的点击可能不那么昂贵。

So it's this is just Samsung having a great negotiator who leaked this information to the New York Times. A kind of like what you said with Apple users, just kind of just being like super valuable. Apple sold 232 million iPhones and it's fiscal 2022 year. And iPhone sales alone generated around 205 billion in revenue last year.

所以这只是三星有一个优秀的谈判者，将这个信息泄露给《纽约时报》。就像你所说的苹果用户一样，他们非常有价值。苹果在其2022财年中售出了2.32亿部iPhone，仅iPhone销售去年就为公司带来了约2050亿美元的收入。

Based on that data, we can see that Samsung consumers spent an average of around $357 per new phone. This is a rough estimate. Well, Apple users spent around $883 per new phone. Again, that's like a rough estimate. But the difference between that is like 2.5 times more on new iPhones as Apple users.

根据这些数据，我们可以看到三星的消费者每部新手机平均花费约357美元。这是一个大致的估计。而苹果的消费者每部新手机平均花费约883美元。同样，这也是一个大致的估计。但这两者之间的差距是苹果用户对新iPhone花费的2.5倍。

Yeah, how much is a Toyota Prius if you were to buy a used one? I couldn't even tell you. Yeah, 10 or 20k. That's come which is Tesla Model Y 50 or 60 or 445 I think to 65k depending on how big the battery is.

“嘿，如果你要买一辆二手丰田普锐斯，它要多少钱啊？”“我甚至都不知道。大概是10或20千吧。”“Tesla的Model Y售价在50或60或445万之间，具体价格取决于电池有多大，可能会在65万左右。”

So, you know, the same car will get you from point A to point B. One of them will be more delightful to use every day. And there is a point in time where people, you know, you can buy a pair of Levi's jeans for 30 or 40 bucks. They'll need me for 20, you know, a close for 20 or you can go buy, I think I buy Lucky brand and they cost me a buck 50. And then I have friends who buy 400 jeans and I'm like, okay, whatever.

你知道，同样的汽车可以把你从A点开到B点。但其中一辆车每天使用起来会更舒适愉悦。现在有些人会在一些时候选择购买一条30或40美元的Levi's牛仔裤，或者花20美元买一件衬衫，也可以选择购买我最喜欢的Lucky牌子花费仅有1.5美元。我有些朋友则会花400美元买一条牛仔裤，我只能说，随便你吧。

It's so cheap compared to the value you get out of a smartphone. You keep your phone for what, three years, two years, but your average would just say, I had my same, I've had the same phone for like five now. But they kind of stop working around three. Like I have a pretty slow phone, but I hate getting new phones. Like I hate, I have to get getting the new, getting new phones.

相较于智能手机的价值，它太便宜了。你会用你的手机多久？三年，两年，但是你的平均年限会说，我已经使用了同款手机大约五年了。但是它们大约在三年左右就会停止运作。我有一部相当缓慢的手机，但我讨厌换新手机。我讨厌购买新的手机。

Like I don't like getting you have to pay for the new phone case and you have to go and you know, it's like always more money than you say it will be. So, it's more about like the act of the Apple store. But yeah, I think slow it for me. Yeah.

我不喜欢买新的手机壳时还要付钱，而且你得去店里买，你知道的，它总是比你说的多花钱。所以，这更多是关于苹果商店的行为。但是，我认为它还是太慢了。

So, this I think is, you're very much represent the average millennial Gen Z consumer. You try to get three, four, five years out of these things. And then I think people maybe who are doing it for business have a little more discretionary income, discretionary income. They might do it every two or three years. I too now have been skipping a year. I used to just send my assistant back in the day, whatever they sell by the latest version.

所以，我认为你很好地代表了普通千禧一代和Z世代的消费者。你会尝试使用这些东西三、四、五年。而那些为了生意而购买的人可能有更多的自由支配收入，他们可能会每两三年更新一次。我现在也跳过了一年。过去我只是让我的助手去买最新版本。

I would even buy like the interim plus versions and just, but now the time it takes to get a new case and to transfer your data, all that stuff, go to the store, that whatever number of hours to me is it worth it for the gain in it. But if you take the dollar amount of a iPhone, this is rounded up to a thousand. It's about, if you keep it for three years, you're talking about a dollar a day to keep it for five years. Maybe you're down to almost 50 cents a day. What other device do you use for five hours a day? That cost 10 cents an hour to use it, right? That doesn't include the resale value.

我甚至会购买临时加强版的iPhone，只是现在更换机壳和数据转移需要的时间，以及前往店铺的时间，对我来说值得换来的收益是否值得这几个小时的时间。但是如果你把iPhone的价格计算成美元，假设每个iPhone的价格为1000美元，如果你使用3年，你每天需要花费1美元来维持使用iPhone，如果你使用5年，每天的费用将降至50美分。有哪一款设备每天使用5小时只需要花费10美分呢？这还不包括它的再销售价值。

All right, thumb march to a billion users continues. For my friends, I've linked in 875 million people are now using the platform, including me. I'm on it every day, doing updates, finding new employees. And really, there's so many insanely qualified people out there looking for work right now. The stakes are so high for all of our companies. You need to have a bar race, or anybody high you want that bar race, or somebody's going to bring it, make the organization better.

好了，拇指向十亿用户发起进军。对于我的朋友们，我将与我联系在一起的8.75亿人都视作这个平台的用户。我每天都在上面，发布更新，寻找新员工。实际上，现在有许多非常合格的人正在寻求工作。对于我们所有的公司而言，压力都很大。你需要设定一个比赛的标准，或者你想要任何人达到那个标准，否则就会有人带来更好的组织。

So I want you to do something really simple right now. I want you to get your free first job listing on LinkedIn by going to LinkedIn.com slash twist. Again, your first job is free forever. Why do they give you the free job listing because they know you're going to get great candidates and then you're going to be on the hook and you're going to love it. It is the best way to find great talent. You'll get that purple ring when you start hiring on LinkedIn around your profile photo. Which just lets your network wait where the great great referrals are going to come from. You're your friends and friends of friends. You get that purple ring and stands out.

我希望你现在能够做一件非常简单的事情。我希望你通过访问LinkedIn.com/twist来获得你的免费首次招聘信息。这个免费的工作信息将永远对你免费开放。为什么他们会给你免费的招聘信息呢？因为他们知道你会得到优秀的候选人，然后你就会爱上LinkedIn。这是寻找优秀人才的最佳方式。当你在LinkedIn上开始招聘时，你会得到一个紫色的标记环绕着你的个人资料照片，这让你的网络知道所有优秀推荐的来源。这些来源包括你的朋友、朋友的朋友等。你得到了这个紫色标记后，就会很显眼。

So then here's the plan. You start to a regular update. You talk about your company, you talk about the top edge, you talk about your customers, you know all the great social media hacks. They see the purple hiring rate. You're going to get better candidates faster, better candidates faster, better candidates faster. That's what we all want. You want the great candidates and you want them faster. LinkedIn jobs helps you find qualified candidates you want to talk to faster. Post your job for free. LinkedIn.com slash twist. That's LinkedIn.com slash twist. Post your job for free terms and conditions, of course, apply.

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I wouldn't call this a panic. I bet you the Samsung folks said it's a panic or the Bing folks said it's a panic. Google does not need to panic about this. What Google needs to do is just do what they've been doing. They were on 60 minutes. They have been thoughtfully releasing updates to their product and they need to disclose the gap between the product velocity of open AI and the product velocity of Google which has not been fast enough. And the reason they haven't been fast is because they're being thoughtful. When you're the incumbent, you have to really think about what you do. If your Google's borrowed, if it hallucinates and give you a wrong answer, Google's giving me a wrong answer. Now, if something like Chatchy PT gives hallucinates a bad example, who cares? It's like this is beta software. I don't have the logo on it.

我不认为这是一种恐慌。我敢打赌，三星的人说这是一种恐慌，必应的人说这是一种恐慌。谷歌不需要因此恐慌。谷歌需要做的就是继续做他们一直在做的事情。他们上了60分钟的节目。他们一直在认真地发布更新产品，他们需要披露开放式人工智能产品速度和谷歌产品速度之间的差距，后者速度不够快。他们之所以不能够迅速行动，是因为他们要深思熟虑。当你成为领先者的时候，你必须非常认真地考虑你的行动。如果你是谷歌的用户，它出现了幻觉并给出了错误的答案，那么谷歌就会给我错误的答案。现在，如果像Chatchy PT这样的软件出现了幻觉并给出了错误的答案，谁会在意呢？这就像是Beta版软件一样，我在上面没有看到Logo。

So I think this is what Google will do. They'll increase their product velocity. They do more press 60 minutes. You saw them send everybody out. There was a real diverse group of individuals getting on 60 minutes. They're doing the full court press tour. This is all by design to slow the momentum of Sam Waltman doing every podcast in the world. Lex Friedman. And then, I don't know if you saw, Sam Waltman is really enjoying this moment. And it's hard for him. He had a failed company looped back when we met each other in the Sequoia days and we've both sequoia scouts. Then an incredible run as an investor. And then why combinators were present enough. But I think this is something he's always wanted is to have this great you know, a product and team and moment. And he's taking the most of it. He's tweeted. He's going on tour to like 20 cities. So Google's looking at that and going, wow, Sam Waltman's going to be on 20 different cities. A 20 city tour. Yeah, it's time for them to get these new projects out there. And they're going to do that.

我认为谷歌会这样做。他们会加速产品速度，利用更多的媒体宣传，比如60分钟的节目。你可以看到他们派遣了各种各样的人去参加这个节目。这都是有计划的，目的是要减缓Sam Waltman的声势，他已经在做全世界的播客了，包括和Lex Friedman的合作。不知道你是否注意到，Sam Waltman非常享受这个时刻，这对他来说很困难。曾经他的公司Looped失败了，但在Sequoia期间我们都是Sequoia侦察员，他在投资方面取得了非凡的成就，而且他总想拥有一个伟大的团队和时刻，现在他正在充分利用。他推特发文，还会去20个城市巡回演出。谷歌看到这些就会想，哇，Sam Waltman要去20个城市了，他们也需要加速新项目的推出。

Maggie, I saw their new search engines. So maybe we could tee that up for the audience. What Google has said there because I just saw that in my travels fly behind the Twitter stream. And I'm not actually even updated on it. Yeah.

玛吉，我看到了他们的新搜索引擎。所以也许我们可以为观众介绍一下。因为我在旅行中看到了这一消息在推特流后面。而我实际上还没有更新过。是的。

So via those like anonymous New York Times sources, the project is code named Maggie. And I'm not sure if it's pronounced like Maggie or Maggie like magic, but it's spelled like Maggie like magic about the sea. So what? Maggie. Maggie. Okay. That's honestly, that's when I read it through first. I said Maggie and then pretty serious. So Maggie Siri. Okay. I like it. I like it.

经过像匿名的《纽约时报》消息人士，该项目被命名为Maggie。我不确定它是像Maggie还是像Magic这样发音，但它的拼写是像“大海魔法”那样的Maggie。所以呢？Maggie。Maggie。好吧，当我第一次读到它的时候，我是说Maggie，然后感觉相当严肃。所以Maggie Siri。好的，我喜欢它。

Okay. So project Maggie has more than 160 people working on full time. It's kind of like a startup on new features. Yeah. Yeah. And new features are being developed by smaller teams working together in sprint rooms, which also kind of sounds like a startup. And then there's lots of tweaking and iterations that are happening daily. Again, that sounds like a startup.

好的。所以，Maggie项目有超过160人全职参与。它有点像一个新功能的创业公司。是的，是的。新功能是由小组一起在冲刺房间开发的，这也有点像一家初创公司。然后每天都会发生大量的调整和迭代。再次，这听起来像一家初创公司。

And this new search engine would offer users quote a far more personalized experience than the company's current service attempting to anticipate users need. So we're kind of seeing like that product velocity. You were talking about earlier.

这个新搜索引擎将为用户提供比公司现有的服务更加个性化的体验，试图预测用户的需求。所以我们可以看到像你之前提到的那种产品速度。

But before the new search engine launches, Maggie will create tools for Google's existing search product. Yeah. They this would be a really good idea for them to delineate the existing product from the beta product. This would give them what Chatchy PT and Bing has the ability for people to say you're playing in a sandbox.

在新搜索引擎推出之前，Maggie将为Google现有的搜索产品创建工具。是的，他们认为这是一个非常好的主意，可以将现有产品与测试产品区分开来。这将使他们拥有像Chatchy PT和Bing一样的能力，从而让人们说你在一个沙盒里玩耍。

You're playing with a new thing. Here's disclaimer, disclaimer, disclaimer, and just make it really easy for users. It will also create a hype cycle because now, oh, have you tried Maggie or magic, whatever they do. Just note to people who are branding things. If there's like four different ways to say something you kind of failed the branding exercise as a terrible name, I would have just gone with magic.

你正在使用一种新的东西。这里有免责声明，免责声明，免责声明，请为用户提供真正简单易懂的内容。这也将创造一种热潮，因为现在，哦，你试过Maggie或magic，不管他们做了什么。对于品牌推广的人请注意，如果有四种不同的方式来表达某个东西，你可能已经在品牌推广方面失败了，这是一个糟糕的名字，我只会选择魔术。

I would have called it the magic search engine or wow or something. You know, it's just something fun and playful and then eventually they can bring those features back in.

我本来会把它称为魔术搜索引擎或哇或其他什么有趣好玩的名字。你知道的，只是一些有趣的形容词，然后他们最终可以把这些特点重新加入其中。

Bing and wow. But it being in wow. Well, actually, it's interesting. AOL owned the domain name, www.com. And when I was leaving to do Mahalo, I was trying to negotiate with them to give me wow because I was doing a human power search engine famously, which was kind of like taking the Wikipedia software and making search results that were curated by humans.

哇哦。但这个“哇哦”不是指惊异，而是指网站的名称。其实，这真的很有趣。美国在线公司拥有域名www.com。当我离开那里去创办Mahalo时，我试图与他们谈判，让他们把“哇哦”赠予我，因为我正在做一个人力搜索引擎，就像是用维基百科软件制作由人类精心策划的搜索结果。

Since I'm using artificial intelligence, I wanted to use actually human intelligence. An amazing one happens in 15 years. So a lot of lessons there. That's for another episode.

既然我正在使用人工智能，我想要使用真正的人类智慧。一个惊人的智慧需要15年的时间来培养。所以有很多教训可以从中得到。但这是另一个话题了。

But I do think there is something really smart about what they're doing, which is, okay, we'll incorporate features into Google. But we're also going to let this team run fast, hard and make different features. The personalization is going to be great.

我认为他们的做法确实非常聪明，也就是说，我们将在Google中整合各种功能，同时也让这个团队快速并且不断地推出不同的功能。个性化将会变得非常出色。

And what's going to happen is what assets do they have that chat GPT does not have? They have everybody's Gmail. And I believe Gmail, your YouTube subscriptions and your Google docs are going to be the foundational elements of why Google I sat on all in their general role where I should say they could roll chat GPT if they execute well.

这句话的意思是，他们手头上有什么资产是CHAT GPT没有的呢？他们拥有每个人的Gmail。我相信Gmail、你的YouTube订阅和Google文档将成为谷歌在其一般作用中所依赖的基本元素，如果他们执行得好的话，他们可以让CHAT GPT失去竞争力。

So if I was going to say that again, I would say they could roll. And this feels like they want to roll over chat GPT. How do you do that? I really have been and you know this because you've seen me like sharing an internally like I'm trying to get everybody on the team using it.

如果我要再说一遍，我会说它们可以滚动。这感觉就像它们希望通过聊天GPT来滚动。你怎么做到的？我一直在尝试，你知道这一点，因为你看到我像分享内部信息一样一直在尝试让团队中的每个人都使用它。

The number one thing I want to do is have chat GPT for under over my Gmail. But I don't want I don't trust open AI with my data. I don't want them reading my emails and then spitting them back out as answers to other people's questions. But I do trust Google.

我最想要做的事情就是在我的Gmail上接入聊天GPT，但是我不信任OpenAI，他们可能会读我的邮件并将它们作为其他人问题的答案回复出去。但我相信谷歌。

And so if when I open Maggie, I say Maggie, can you tell me everybody I emailed with in 20 before 2019? And can you give me a top five list by month of who I traded the most emails with? But that aren't part of launch or inside or those two organizations. And then give me a list of where they currently work and put it into a table and craft a check in email for each of them that either congratulate them on their new position or just as hey, I was thinking about you from our conversations back in 2018.

所以，如果我打开Maggie并说"Maggie，能告诉我在2019年之前20年中，我用电子邮件联系过的所有人吗？能否列出每个月我最常联系的五个人，但排除Launch和Inside这两个组织？然后，将他们当前的工作清单制成表格，并为他们每个人撰写一封问候邮件，不管是祝贺他们的新职位，还是只是以嘿的方式，我在想起在2018年我们的对话。

That would be like an incredible mind blowing thing or hey, what documents had the most activity for me in 2016, 17, 18 and 19? Show me those documents, bring them up. And then I could start talking to an interface and do that.

这将是一件难以置信的令人震惊的事情，或者嘿，哪些文件在2016年、17年、18年和19年对我活动最频繁？给我展示这些文件，把它们带出来。然后我可以开始与接口交谈并完成这些操作。

Or on YouTube, hey, you know I love Mark Knopfler. You know, I love Dyer Shraids. Can you make me an agent that makes me a playlist of only new Mark Knopfler Dyer Shraids concerts that have been released? And don't blame me the ones that I already have in my queue.

在YouTube上，嘿，你知道我喜欢马克·诺夫勒(Mark Knopfler)。你知道，我喜欢Dyer Shraids。你能给我做个代理，帮我制作一个只包含已发行的新Mark Knopfler和Dyer Shraids音乐会的播放列表吗？但是不要把我已经在队列里的那些算在内。

These kind of things that they already have access to, it's just going to start them on third base. This idea of anticipating becomes really interesting. So they know that you did a search, like if I did my travel searches here and I was searching for flights, they could just put in the side of my Google or my Gmail and the sidebar of Maggie hotels in, you know, this city, top restaurants of the city, restaurants you've been to in the city because they know I've been there.

这些已经获得访问权的东西，只是让他们从三垒开始。预测的这个想法变得非常有趣。因此，他们知道你进行了搜索，例如如果我在这里做了旅行搜索并搜索航班，他们可以在我的谷歌或Gmail旁边的侧边栏中输入Maggie酒店和该城市的顶级餐厅，以及你在该城市去过的餐厅，因为他们知道我去过那里。

And if I was in Tokyo last year, they could say, hey, are you planning to go to Tokyo next year? So just like it does auto complete, imagine auto complete, but for you personal. And then the agent says, here are new restaurants in Tokyo in case you're going next year.

如果去年我在东京，他们可以问我，嘿，你计划明年去东京吗？就像自动完成一样，想象一下自动完成，但是针对个人。然后代理人会说，如果你明年去，这里有新的东京餐厅。

So all of those things are going to give them so many things to brainstorm on with this technology that I'm totally here for this dogfight. I am long, I'm long Google, I'm long Google in this fight. I'm also long Microsoft in this fight.

所以，所有这些事情将给他们带来许多在这种技术上进行头脑风暴的东西，我完全支持这场竞争。我持有谷歌的多头头寸，在这场战斗中我支持谷歌。我也持有微软的多头头寸。

I think it would be so sick to have auto complete with your calendar. So now how we have calendar now, like, hey, can you meet at this time, have in your email, it auto complete, hey, why don't we meet at and then have Google fill it in? That would be really nice for Gmail. I was able to build on that imagine. Yeah.

我认为如果你的日历可以自动完成会很棒。就像现在我们有日历，比如说，在你的电子邮件里，有人问你能否在某个时间见面，它会自动完成，然后谷歌会填补它。这对 Gmail 来说将会非常好。我能够在这个想象基础上进行扩展。是的。

It says, hey, these are people you were talking to. You have the whole afternoon off on Friday. Here are some meeting suggestions. Would you like me to book meetings with any of these 20 people you haven't talked to, do a catcher phone call? Yeah. Oh, well, that's interesting. Right? Who did I have the most meetings with three years ago, five years ago, 20 years ago, my Gmail, give me 20 meeting suggestions. People I should catch up with, because I'm literally doing that now.

它说：嘿，这些人是你曾经交谈过的人。星期五下午你整个下午都不用工作。这里有一些会议建议。你想让我为你预定与这20个未曾聊过的人之间的会议吗？或者打一个电话联系他们？是啊。哦，这很有趣，对吧？在三年前、五年前、二十年前，我与谁开过最多的会议，我的Gmail能给我20个建议，告诉我应该联系哪些人，因为我正在做这件事。

I'm looking back at my Gmail and it is a manual process of finding all the limited partners I talked to for launch one, two, three. And now we're raising launch fund four and launch.co slash four. I think you learn more about it. And so I'm going backwards and I'm like, oh, yeah, I met with this endowment. I met with this person. I forgot about that meeting. I just need Google to do that for me.

我在查看我的Gmail，需要手动找出我与限制合伙人进行的一、二、三轮交流。现在我们正在筹集第四轮资金和launch.co/4。我认为你可以学到更多。所以我正在追溯，发现我曾见过这个捐赠基金和这个人。我忘了那次会面，我需要谷歌帮我自动整理。

Hey, these were the, what, when did I last email people from these companies? Were there any other people I emailed and get back to whatever just all that is going to be awesome? Yeah. It is. And also on that, by the way, I created a CRM in notion like years ago, having a notion AI go off of that CRM and tell me like that I have as one of the columns like the last time I emailed somebody, have it being able to send me a reminder. If anybody from notions listening, I would like that.

嗨，这些是什么公司？我上次给这些公司的人发邮件是什么时候？我有没有给其他人发邮件并得到回复？无论如何，这些都将非常棒。是的。另外，顺便说一下，我几年前在Notion上创建了一个CRM系统，让Notion的人工智能根据此CRM系统告诉我，我与某些人最后一次通讯的日期，并能提醒我。如果Notion的人在听，请实现这个功能。

Closing big enterprise deals, it's not easy. You all know that the last thing you want to do is slow down your sales team with a lack of integrations. That's table stakes. Everybody expects that your people management tool will work seamlessly with your payroll provider. They expect your CRM to work with accounting software. And just think about yourself. You log into some new business to business software. You want to start connecting it to the rest of your staff, but that's going to burn developer hours. That's going to cost a ton of money.

成交大型企业交易，并不容易。你们都知道最不想看到的就是销售团队因缺乏集成而放慢了速度。这是最基本的要求。每个人都期望你的人力资源管理工具能够无缝地配合你的支付工具使用。他们期望你的客户关系管理工具能够与会计软件配合使用。想想你自己。你登录某个新的企业软件，想要开始将其与你的其他员工进行连接，但这会消耗开发者的时间和大量的金钱。

What if you could just drop in a little code snippet zip-zip zip and you were able to use merges unified API. And then your integrations would take days, not quarters. You're going to unlock new revenue opportunities. You're going to remove blockers from the sales team. So does it work with this? Does it work with that? It's going to work with everything. Hundreds of integrations are ready to make your customers happy and delighted and remove those blockers from the sales team.

如果您只需要添加一个小代码片段，嗖嗖嗖地就能使用合并统一的API，您将会节省数个季度的时间进行集成。您将会开启新的收入机会。您将会消除销售团队的障碍。那么这个API支持哪些内容呢？它将支持所有内容。数百个集成方案已经准备就绪，以使您的客户感到高兴和满意，并消除销售团队的障碍。

Seven different categories. Human resources information systems, application tracking systems, accounting CRM ticketing, marketing automation. Of course file storage. This kind of stuff. It's constantly changing the integrations break. That's not your problem anymore. That's merges business. Merge has unlimited integrations waiting for you and they charge based on how many of your customers use these integrations, which is super fair.

七种不同类别的系统，包括人力资源信息系统、应聘者跟踪系统、会计管理关系客服系统、市场自动化系统，当然也包括文件存储等等。这些系统不断变化，可能会导致整合出现问题，但这不再是你要担心的问题。Merge有无限的整合功能等待你，收费按照有多少客户使用这些整合功能计算，非常公平。

So they're going to give you three linked accounts for free tonight. So there's nothing to lose. Merge.dev slash twist. M-E-R-G-E.DEV slash twist again. Three linked accounts. Free. Merge.dev slash twist. Well done. Merge. A lot of my startups are using this product and love it.

今晚他们会免费为您提供三个关联账户，所以您不会失去任何东西。网址是 Merge.dev/twist。三个关联账户都是免费的。Merge.dev/twist。非常好！许多我的创业公司正在使用该产品，并且非常喜欢它。

An entertainment speaking of all this AI craziness. AI generated song featuring Drake in the weekend has gone just crazy viral over the past few days. The song is called Heart on My Sleeve and it was generated and released by a TikTok user named Ghostwriter. And the song gained more than 8.5 million views on TikTok according to a BBC article. And the song was streamed over 250,000 times on Spotify, which is kind of crazy. That even got on Spotify.

这是有关人工智能疯狂潮流的娱乐话题。一首AI生成的由Drake和The Weekend合作的歌曲在过去几天内爆红。这首歌叫做《心系于我》（Heart on My Sleeve），由一位名叫Ghostwriter的TikTok用户生成并发布。根据BBC的一篇文章，这首歌在TikTok上获得了超过850万次观看。而这首歌在Spotify上的播放量更是达到了超过25万次，这确实有点疯狂。甚至这首歌都进入了Spotify平台。

The producers checked out both platforms for the original songs, but both of the platforms took it down. I would even got on Spotify is like kind of insane that that was able to happen. And you said, I've been taking off Spotify, I have been taking off the top.

制片人们在两个平台上都试过原创歌曲，但是这两个平台都将其下架了。我甚至在Spotify上面也找不到，这个有点疯狂，居然会出现这种情况。你说过，我的歌被下架了，我也被遗忘在角落里了。

Oh wow, that's interesting. I have some thoughts on that. Okay, let's listen.

哇，太有趣了。我有一些想法。好的，让我们来听听。

I like it. I can't tell the difference. Can you tell the difference if I played that for you, would you know? I totally can't. And I actually, I like, I didn't hear it from the original creator, but I did hear it. Like everybody's still screen recorded and like are using the audio on TikTok. So I've heard the audio a few times.

我喜欢它。我分不清是不是原创。如果我给你播放，你能听出区别吗？我完全听不出来。我其实很喜欢，虽然不是从原创者那里听到，但我已经听过了。就像每个人都在屏幕录制，使用TikTok上的音频一样。所以我已经听过几次了。

And I before I realized it was AI generated, I just thought it was like another catchy like TikTok sound. So I actually had no idea this was like an AI thing at all. And Drake and the weekend, by the way, they did not record this song. Like the vocals are entirely AI. Everybody was freaking out. And basically like saying, if it was real, it would be such a hit. But neither artist responded, regarding the new track yet. But Drake recently voiced his concerns over a different song using his AI generated voice that one viral. The rapper posted an Instagram story with the caption. This is the final straw AI. So he's not a huge fan. But he might have been joking.

在我意识到这是AI生成的之前，我只是觉得它像另一个流行的TikTok音乐一样。所以我实际上完全不知道这是一个AI的事情。而且，顺便说一下，德雷克和周末并没有录制这首歌。像唱歌的声音完全是由AI制作的。每个人都很兴奋。基本上，人们表示，如果是真的，这将是一首非常受欢迎的歌曲。但是，两位艺术家都还没有对这首新歌作出回应。但是，德雷克最近表达了对另一首使用他的AI生成声音的歌曲感到担忧。这个说唱歌手在Instagram故事中发布了一个标题为“这是最后一根稻草AI”的帖子。所以他不是一个巨大的粉丝。但是他可能是在开玩笑。

I don't know, a spice. Yeah, maybe I don't know. I spiced as like pretty big right now. Like the girl that was in the, yeah, like the woman she has like a really big TikTok sound from like the song, Boys A Lie Er. I think it's like part two. And I always hear like Obama and Trump remixes. Like how if they were like saying her, her song. So I think a lot of I spiced stuff has been like earlier X. I've been used in AI, but I'm not sure if she's said anything.

我不知道，可能是一种香料。是的，也许我不知道，但现在I spiced很火。就像那个女孩，在TikTok上她的歌声非常受欢迎，专辑名叫《Boys A Lie Er》（男孩的谎言）。我认为她的歌曲的第二部分被用于政治人物奥巴马和特朗普的混音。因此，很多I spiced的东西已经被用于人工智能领域，但我不确定她是否有说过什么。

There's so many different ways this can go. When you do these tests and you think about fairness and fair use, there is an area for parity. So if it is Obama, we know Obama's not doing it. You don't even need to tell anybody that this is a parody, right? We just know it's a parody. And so under parody, law and that exemption from copyright, doing Donald Trump or Obama, only using a small portion of the original and not interfering with their ability to make money and to leverage their voice of the future. And if you're making money, these are all kind of the tests for fair use. You can just look at fair use for a part test on Wikipedia and you can go through it.

这件事情有很多种不同的走向。当你进行这些测试并考虑公平和合理使用时，有一个平等的领域。因此，如果是奥巴马，我们知道奥巴马不会这样做。你甚至不需要告诉任何人这是一个模仿，对吧？我们只知道这是一个模仿。因此，在以模仿为基础的法律和版权豁免下，只使用原来的一小部分并不会影响他们获得利益和在未来发声的能力，如果你正在赚钱，这些都是公平使用的测试。你只需要查阅维基百科中公平使用的一部分测试，就可以浏览它们。

But so what's super interesting here is with this set, this is in some cases new lyrics for cover songs, new lyrics that are as good and performances that are as good as the original and they're confusing the user. And in fact, they would be blocking the ability for Drake and the weekend to then go do their collaboration. They were going to do a collaboration. You just ruined it. You just, you know, like I don't know if they've done collaborations before. If somebody was going to do a cover or remix, this actually infringes on their ability. It confuses the user. And if they put it on Spotify and TikTok and they gain users, even if they didn't turn on monetization, if you gain users for your account, like let's say this ghost face person keeps doing it and they get to 10 million followers, those 10 million followers are worth $123 each. So they would have generated $10, $20, $30 million in revenue.

在这个套装中，有些非常有趣的地方是它包含了一些对翻唱歌曲的新歌词、同样好的表演版本，这让用户感到困惑。实际上，这可能会妨碍Drake和The Weekend进行合作。他们本来要合作的，你破坏了这个计划。我不知道他们以前有没有进行过合作，但如果有人想要翻唱或混音，这会侵犯他们的权利，使用户感到困惑。如果他们把这些音乐放在Spotify和TikTok上，即使他们没有打开赚钱功能，如果他们的账户获得了一些用户，那么这些用户对他们的价值每个都是123美元。因此，他们可能会创造10亿、20亿、30亿美元的收入。

And then platforms, YouTube, TikTok, etc., have very granular, deep, important relationships with the music industry where they pay them licensing fees. They allow them to take step down themselves. They allow them to take the monetization. So if somebody uses a sound clip, they can monetize that video themselves or they can have it taken down. And the music industry does not play games. And so, but this does remind me of sampling. And so in the sampling era, people were attacking the people doing sampling. And there was a really reasonable argument that while they were transforming the work, and they said they shouldn't have to pay because these are new works as is transformative. But it was infringing on that person who owned the original sample, especially the Kanye West songs or you've seen he did he supposedly has had to pay, I'm missing you, the did he tribute 5,000 a day to sing. You are infringing on their ability to do those kind of remixes. And Elpin John has a remix now. It do a leap, I guess, and other folks. So you can't just take people's work. You have to pay them.

平台如YouTube、TikTok等与音乐产业之间有非常细致、深刻和重要的关系，他们支付许可费，允许音乐产业自主决定步骤，自主决定货币化。因此，如果有人使用音频片段，他们可以自己货币化这个视频，或者将其删除。而音乐产业没有玩游戏。这让我想起了采样时代。在采样时代，人们攻击从事采样的人。有一个非常合理的论点是，尽管他们正在转变作品，但他们认为他们不应该支付费用，因为这些作品是新的，具有创意性。但是这侵犯了拥有原始采样的人的权利，尤其是像Kanye West的歌曲那样，他们应该付费比如 "I'm missing you"歌曲的致敬版本，Kanye West每天要支付5,000美元。这限制了他们进行这种混音的能力。现在Elpin John有一个混音版本，似乎还有其他人。你不能随意拿走别人的作品，你必须支付他们。

And sampling is going to be, I think, the reasonable thing here. If people create these, and they get the blessing of Drake, great. I could see artists like Elvis and the estate of Elvis selling a CD every year of Elvis doing, you know, hit songs. And having AI do it, and I would be there for it. You know, if you told me you could release a new Dyer Straits album every two years, and it was done based on AI and they made new songs and Mark Knopfler, I could be down with that. Why not? You know, the band's not together anymore. And then for bands that, you know, like people who are really on around like Jimmy Hendrix, so be delightful.

我认为，采样是一个合理的选择。如果有人制作了这些并得到了Drake的祝福，那太好了。我可以想象像猫王和猫王遗产这样的艺术家每年销售一张猫王演唱热门歌曲的CD。如果使用人工智能完成这些，我会支持它。你知道，如果你告诉我每两年就能发布一张新的Dire Straits专辑，这是基于人工智能制作的，并且他们会制作新歌曲和Mark Knopfler，我会赞成它。为什么不呢？你知道，乐队已经不在一起了。对于像吉米·亨德里克斯这样真正伟大的乐队，这将是令人愉快的。

So there's a big opportunity here. It's going to be messy. And I'm here for it.

这里有一个很大的机会。过程可能会有些混乱，但我会在这里支持。

This is incredible. One of our producers put in, well artists start leasing out models of their own voices to generate extra revenue. Of course. I think this is like such a good idea, but I even think it's a better idea for people that aren't even like big musicians yet.

这太不可思议了。我们的一个制片人说，现在艺术家开始出租自己的声音模型以赚取额外的收入。当然，我觉得这是一个非常好的想法，但我甚至认为对于那些还不是知名音乐人的人来说，这是一个更好的想法。

So if you ever hear people that are like put out sampling, like people, like I know one of my friends is like a DJ and he's never met this person before, but she put up a bunch of like short snippets of her singing like samples up on a website. He was able to buy like those samples. I think it'd be really cool for a platform to just like create like an AI version of this. So people can start doing this like before they're even big.

所以，如果你听到有人在抱怨取样，像我认识的一个朋友是DJ，他在网站上发了一堆短暂的歌声样本，虽然他之前从未见过这个人，但他可以购买这些样本。我觉得如果有一个平台能够创建这样一个AI版本，那就太棒了。这样人们就可以在他们还没有真正出名之前就开始做这个了。

And I think this whole conversation is going to be pretty ongoing because universal music group aka UMG wrote a memo to major streaming services like Apple and Spotify asking them to prevent AI companies from accessing their libraries. A UMG wrote quote, we will not hesitate to take a step to protect our rights and those of our artists. And interestingly Drake is a UMG artist and they control most of his catalog.

我认为这整个谈话将会持续很长时间，因为环球音乐集团（也称为UMG）给苹果和Spotify等主要流媒体服务商写了一份备忘录，要求他们阻止人工智能公司访问他们的图书馆。UMG写道：“我们会毫不犹豫地采取措施来保护我们和我们的艺术家的权利。”有趣的是，Drake是UMG的艺术家，他们掌控着他的大部分作品目录。

A UMG subsidiary resigned him for as much as like 400 million dollars last year. And according to seeking alpha, UMG controls 37.5% of the music industry's market share, which means on average one in every three songs you listen to will earn UMG some revenue. So that's crazy.

去年UMG的一家子公司以高达4亿美元的价格重新签约了他。根据Seeking Alpha的报道，UMG控制着音乐产业市场份额的37.5％，这意味着你听的每三首歌曲中，平均会有一首会为UMG赚取一些收入。所以这真的很疯狂。

And then this is all a matter of who gets paid and how much. And this is just a great new business model. The character Darth Vader, James O'Learns famously did the voice. And now he's 91 years old and in the Obi-Wan series a company called ReSpeacher at a Ukraine startup has now voices, I voices Darth Vader. So that, but I think Jones got paid for that and he gave the rights to clone the voice and he gave...

接下来，这只是一个谁得到了多少报酬的问题。而这只是一个伟大的新商业模式。人物达斯·维达（Darth Vader）的配音是由詹姆斯·奥利恩（James O'Learns）著名完成的。而现在他已经91岁了，在奥比万系列中，一个名为ReSpeacher的乌克兰初创公司，现在通过人工智能声音复制技术重现了达斯·维达的声音。所以，我认为琼斯得到了报酬，并且他授权复制这个声音的权利……

I don't know who knows what he got paid for or whatever, but fantastic. If I was, if at the end of my life this week in startups and all in are these huge franchises and somebody says, hey, can we use your voice and your daughters are going to get this residual for the rest of their lives and their kids? We got the residuals. We're like, yes, yeah, I'm dead. I don't care. Go for it. Monetize the hell out of it. Keep my legacy alive.

我不知道谁知道他得到了多少报酬或者其他的事情，但是太棒了。如果这周的Startups节目和全力以赴都成为了这些巨大的特许经营项目，有人说“嘿，我们能够利用你的声音，你的女儿们会为其余的生命获得分红，她们的孩子们也是”，我们获得了分红。我们会说，“是的，没问题。我已经去世了，我不在乎了。大力地盈利吧，让我的遗产继续延续。”

It does block, which is kind of a bummer. It does block new artists from coming out. So if the Beatles kept releasing albums and John Lennon's estate and you're going on, the Beatles allowed that. Well, maybe then Coldplay doesn't get a chance to, you know, or you two doesn't get a chance to come out. So there, there, there, there, is that just a, is that just a different artist?

这确实有一些遗憾，因为它会阻挡新艺术家的出现。假如甲壳虫继续推出专辑，而约翰·列侬的继承人也在进行着，那么甲壳虫就允许了这种情况。好吧，也许这样冷玩乐队就没有机会了，或者U2也没有机会出道了。所以说，这只是一位不同的艺术家的问题吗？

Like the person creating the AI and like, there's got to be like some human element to it, right? Like that, maybe the computer scientist we're going to start calling as an artist. Like David Getta definitely considers the people using AI. He sees like AI just as like another instrument, like a tool in your toolbox as an artist.

像创造AI的人一样，它必须有一些人类元素，对吧？就像这样，也许我们将要称之为计算机科学家是艺术家。像大卫·葛塔一样，肯定会考虑使用AI的人。他把AI视为另一种乐器，就像艺术家工具箱中的工具之一。

Maybe I don't know because it's getting so good that the AI will be able to ingest, you know, all of M&M's lyrics, all of Bob Dylan's lyrics and do a better job than a human of not only producing the voice, but probably producing the lyrics and the guitar sounds. And given the pace at which AI is, and this is what I think people who are like this AI, you could just unplug it or the answers were wrong. It's hallucinated. What they don't get is the, the, the velocity at which this is moving.

也许是因为AI技术正在变得越来越好，它将能够学习所有的M&M歌词、Bob Dylan歌词，比人类更好地产生歌声、歌词和吉他声。鉴于AI技术的发展速度，这也是我认为那些对AI不信任的人不明白的事情：你不能仅仅通过拔掉电源或者针对AI的回答是否正确来评估AI的未来。它的发展速度很快。

We study this as investors product velocity. The product velocity right now is moving so fast that what were goofy, you know, five second clips last year are now full songs with, you know, 8 million views on Tik Tok and next year there'll be whole albums. So, you know, five or six second clips that you can easily tell are not real, full tracks that you can't tell are not real. And then next year I think there'll be full albums that, yeah, I would say by this time next year, can we put a little calendar item in here? We'll do Rachel and I will do a little bit.

我们研究这个作为投资者的产品速度。产品速度现在移动得非常快，去年还只是一些幽默的 5 秒钟短片，现在已经发展成了拥有 800 万观看量的完整歌曲，在 Tik Tok 上受到欢迎。明年可能会有整个专辑。你知道，五六秒钟的短片你很容易就能识别出它们不是真的，但是你却无法判断完整歌曲是不是真的。我认为明年可能会有完整的专辑出现，到那时，可以在这里设置一下日程提醒，Rachel 和我会多了解一些。

Rachel, a full album by an artist that's as good as their previous work. Which okay, that'll happen in a year, over a year or under a year. I'm setting a line at 12 months from today. So, you know how Gambley works? Well, I say it. You have to take longer or not and it doesn't have to be sanctioned. It could be sanctioned or unsanctioned.

Rachel是一位艺术家的全新专辑，与他们以前的作品一样好。好吧，这可能会在一年内发生，超过一年或少于一年。我把时间设定在从今天开始的12个月。那么你知道Gambley是怎么工作的吗？我说了算。你可以延长或缩短，也不必经过授权。这可以是经过授权的，也可以是未经授权的。

But a full album under a year. Okay, I'm under. I think I said a good line. Nick produced a Nick likes to gamble Nick. Where would you take it? A full album of like an M&M album, a Bob Dylan album and just by me putting this bad out here and there's 20 analytics. We'll listen to this show. We'll go do it.

在一年内完成一张完整的专辑。好的，我答应了。我想我说了一句好的台词。尼克制作了一张尼克喜欢赌博的专辑。你会把它带到哪里？像艾米纳姆和鲍勃·迪伦的专辑一样完整，只要我把这个想法公开，就会有20个分析师会听这个节目并会去做。

What would you take the over the under a full album, you know, 678 songs by an artist that's as good as their, their, your least favorite album of theirs previously. If you asked me this question last week, I probably would have said over. But based on listening to that song, which is probably better than any Drake song that's been out for the past couple of years. And then also my experiences this morning with training a couple of other AI models. I'm going way, I'm going way under. We said jokes at the O's too. What do you do? You're playing with AI tools now. I thought you were supposed to be producing this goddamn We'll start with the I will see. We'll see in a couple of minutes.

你会选择哪个：一个有678首歌曲的完整专辑，而这位艺术家的水平跟你之前最不喜欢的专辑一样好。如果你上周问我这个问题，我可能会选择大于。但是，基于听过那首歌之后，它可能比德雷克过去几年发布的任何一首歌都好。加上今天早上训练其他几个AI模型的经验，我现在选择小于。我们也开玩笑了。你现在在用AI工具玩耍。我以为你应该在生产这该死的东西。我们会从我看到的开始。等会儿再说。【意思解释】：作者在探讨与音乐相关的选择问题，讨论了接收到的新信息对做出决定的影响。同时，作者评论了他对AI模型的研究和开发的态度。最后，作者提到了等待看结果的计划。

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Well, let's get to it. Stop teasing the audience. Let's get to it. What do you got for me? Do the Kanye one first because the Kanye one's fun. Okay. So we put together three 10 second samples. One is a real Kanye West song. One is from a totally new AI generated song with an AI generated Kanye voice. So custom lyrics. And the third is Kanye's AI vocals over an existing rap song by a different artist. And Jason, you have to pick the real song. Yeah, you have to guess sample one two or three. So there's two fakes in a real.

好的，让我们开始吧。别逗观众了，咱们开始吧。你有什么节目呢？先来Kanye的，因为那个很有趣。好的，我们准备了三个10秒的音频样本。其中一个是真正的Kanye West的歌曲，第二个是全新的人工智能生成的Kanye声音和歌词的歌曲。第三个是Kanye的人工智能唱腔，伴随着另一位艺术家现成的说唱歌曲。然后，Jason，你要猜出哪一个是真正的歌曲。就是说，这三个样本中有两个假的，一个真的。

Yeah. All right, two artificially intelligent generative AI tracks just so we're clear with the audience. And one is an actual Kanye track. Now, I know Kanye is library. So I might be able to do this, but let's see what happens.

好的，我们需要向观众说明一下，这里有两个人工智能生成的音轨。其中一个是真正的 Kanye 的音轨。我知道 Kanye 的曲库很牛，所以我也许能做到，但让我们看看会发生什么。

Okay. Clip number one. Listening. Oh, it's got some graphics too. Okay, the fidelity on his voice and the way he's doing the lyrics is not actually Kanye. So I think that that one is AI generated, but don't tell me. Go ahead and next one. I'm going to I reserve the right to change my answers here, but that felt AI-ish. Next. Oh, same graphics. Good. Smart move on the producer's part. Okay. Okay. Now this one had the lyric of he lost the deed is so it's very modern. It does sound more like Kanye, but not exactly like Kanye. Okay, let me hear the third, but it has a modern lyric in it. So I do know what that so this that makes us fresh. Here we go. Third one.

好的。第一段视频，将音频打开。哦，还带有一些图形。好的，他的声音保真度和演唱歌词的方式并不像是真正的Kanye West，所以我觉得那个是人工智能生成的，但不要告诉我。接下来请播放下一个视频。我保留改变我的答案的权利，但这感觉很像AI生成的。接下来。哦，同样的图形，不错，制片人做得很聪明。好的，这个视频里有“他丢失了房产证书”的歌词，所以很现代。听起来更像Kanye West，但不完全一样。好的，请播放第三首歌，但其中有现代的歌词。所以它听起来很新鲜。我们来听第三个视频。

Okay. So the first one did not sound like Kanye at all. That's an AI. The second one sounded more like Kanye. Third one sounded exactly like Kanye. How did I do?

好的。第一个听起来完全不像Kanye，那是一个人工智能。第二个听起来更像Kanye。第三个听起来就像Kanye本人。我表现得怎么样？

So the first one was followed by Kanye West. That is a real song. The first one was actually a Kanye song. I got it completely wrong. Yeah. So first one was followed by the second one was an AI generated song by RP Nixon on Twitter. Sounds AI. When did that come out? When did it? It's an AI song. That did not sound very good. You kind of caught it. I think you said like the modern lyric. I was like, I think that's true. Kanye hasn't recorded a song since he lost his mind. So yeah.

第一个是由Kanye West跟随的真实歌曲，第一个实际上是Kanye的歌曲，我完全搞错了。第二个是RP Nixon在Twitter上生成的人工智能歌曲，听起来像是由人工智能生成的。那是什么时候出的？那是一首人工智能歌曲。它听起来并不是很好。你提到了现代歌词，我认为你说的是真的。自从他失去心智后，Kanye就没有录制过一首歌了。

Right. And the third one is an AI generated remix of Kanye West rapping. No role models by Jay Paul. So that one I'll give you. That's a pretty popular song. So that one sounded really good. That sounded really good. Nick, what do you think of my assessment of these?

好的，第三首是由人工智能生成的Kanye West的混音说唱版本。这首歌的原唱名字叫作Jay Paul的“No role models”，它非常受欢迎。我认为这首歌听起来非常不错。那么Nick，你对我对这些歌曲的评价有何看法？

So the reason we threw in a song that was already real with Kanye's voice masked over it was because I kind of thought that the pacing of the way that he wraps when it's fake is very bad. But when it's a real song and they mask his voice over it, it sounds like real cadence. That's why I thought it was real. It's actually his enunciation as cadence. It's another very Kanye dance, but it's a real person's cadence. We kind of threw that one in there to mess you up. But yeah, the first song was real and you were like, no way. What's interesting about Kanye though specifically is he does so many vocal distortions on his music, which is right, which almost makes it sound more like AI. So he's an artist where, you know, unlike someone like Amy Winehouse or Adele where you really want like Chris vocals, Kanye is always masking his voice. So he's a pretty easy one to trick. Yeah, it's pretty easy to trick.

我们之所以使用已经有声音的歌曲并在上面遮蔽了康耶的声音，是因为我觉得当他说假话时的节奏很糟糕。但是当是真正的歌曲，他们在上面遮蔽他的声音时，就像是真正的韵律。这就是我认为它是真正的原因。实际上，这是他的发音与韵律。这是另一种非常康耶的方式，但是这是一个真正的人的韵律。我们把它扔进去是为了让你们迷惑。但是，第一首歌是真的，而你们却不相信。关于康耶的有趣之处在于，他在他的音乐中使用了许多声音扭曲，这正是他的音乐让它听起来更像AI。所以他是一个艺术家，你知道，不像艾米·怀恩豪斯或阿黛尔那样你真的想要克里斯的声音，康耶总是掩盖他的声音。因此，他是一个相当容易被骗的人。

But I mean, I think what we saw here today in this guest of fake, guest of real two fakes is it's hard. It's really hard. It passed the touring test basically where you can't tell if it's a human or not. It feels all human. Except the second one. It wasn't a great job. But I mean, I'm sure the software coming out next week make it better. Okay, let's keep going.

我是说，我认为在今天我们看到的这个虚假和真实两个假人物中，这是很困难的。它基本上通过了图灵测试，你无法分辨它是否是人类。它感觉都像是人类。除了第二个。它的表现并不好。但是我相信下周即将推出的软件会让它变得更好。好的，让我们继续。

My favorite song by AI Kanye is when they do like songs that are like true to like a little bit more girly. Like he had a, uh, he said it's the producers. It's like a video where he sings bubbly. So I'm gonna throw in this is my add to society right now. It's been a late foil mile now. It's crazy. It comes feeling like sound now. Oh, yeah. Oh, five. I like that a lot. That cracked me up. I was like, wait, that cracked me up. I got feels. Like I should open up Kanye to learning how to play acoustic guitar because. Or we don't even have to, uh, he doesn't even have to be in the picture anymore.

我最喜欢的 AI Kanye 的歌是那些更加适合女孩子的歌曲，他说那是制作人的功劳。我会在这里分享我最近添加的一首歌，它现在已成为一个晚上的主打。它非常疯狂，让人感到音乐的韵律。我喜欢那种音乐，这让我感到开心，也希望给 Kanye 学习弹吉他的机会，或者我们甚至可以不用他的帮助。

So you know how it's like, um, can you separate the art from the artist? If the artist is like really controversial or bad or like whatever they did, you hate him. And then somebody makes music using their AI voice. Do we still like do you still hate the music of the AI? I wonder. Yeah. Millie Vannelly situation or Michael Jackson. Yeah. A lot of it's going to be complicated. I mean at the end of the day, if, if, if the track slaps, it slaps. Right. That's it. And I think nobody cares. Like nobody cared about sampling. Nobody cares about auto tune except for like maybe some online debate. But the fact is if it slaps and people dance and makes people feel motions when they're driving down the road. It's a good road song. It's good road song. It's a good dance track. It's good dance track. That's it.

你知道吗，比如说，你能够将艺术作品与艺术家分开吗？如果这个艺术家特别有争议或者不道德，或者做了什么你讨厌的事情，你会讨厌他。但是如果有人用AI声音制作了音乐呢？我们还会讨厌这首音乐吗？我想知道。就像Millie Vannelly或者Michael Jackson这样的情况，这些都会很复杂。但是最后，如果这首音乐很好听，那就是很好的音乐。我认为没人会在意。就像没人在意采样或者自动调音，除了可能会在网上争论一番。但事实是，如果这首音乐很好听，能够让人在驾车时有情感，那就是一首好的驾车歌曲。如果能让人跳舞，那就是一首好的舞曲。就是这样。

Okay. We also trained some models of you on about a 30 minute of high quality audio using 11 labs.io. By the way. So okay. I didn't know this. Yeah. We can show you like a 15 minute excuse me. A 15 second snippet. Okay. This is Jason AI. Okay. Here we go. Hey everybody. Hey everybody. Welcome back to this week in startups. We have an awesome show for you today. First up on the show, we have producer Rachel back on to read the news. There's a ton of stuff we have to cover in the AI space. It's getting crazy out there folks. Soon you'll probably be hearing an AI version of me. I mean, if I lose my voice one week and you need an intro, I give my permission to do AI intro. And I just want you to say it's AI, J. Cal.

好的。我们还用11 labs.io对你进行了大约30分钟高质量音频的训练。顺便说一下，我不知道这一点。我们可以向您展示一个15秒的片段。好的，这是Jason AI。好的，让我们开始。大家好，欢迎回到本周的初创公司节目。今天我们有一个令人惊叹的节目。首先，我们有制片人Rachel回来宣读新闻。我们必须报道AI领域中的大量事情。情况变得越来越疯狂了，伙计们。很快，您可能会听到我的AI版本。如果有一周我失声了，需要一个引言，我同意用AI来做。您只需说这是AI， J. Cal即可。

What impressed me about that was your voice is very annoying. I don't think it got the tone right exactly. No, it did. But your inflections, it actually knew about the inflections, which is usually the opposite. Yeah, usually the inflections are harder and the tone is easier, but it didn't really get your tone, but it did know your inflections. But I did another one. I gave you a little AI interview, which I should pull up right now. Yeah.

我被那件事印象深刻的是你的声音非常讨厌。我觉得它没有完全掌握到正确的语调。不，它掌握了。但是你的语调实际上是正确的，这通常是相反的情况。是的，通常来说，语调很难掌握，而声调则较为容易，但它似乎没有完全掌握你的声调，但它确实能够理解你的语气。但我做了另一个。我给你做了一个小的人工智能采访，我现在应该把它拉出来。是啊。

Where it actually, this is going to, I think this is going to blow your face off with the guest that I have on here. It better not be a Mark and Jason. It's not a fan. It's not it. It's way better than that. All right. You're ready.

实际上，我认为接下来这个节目会让你的惊喜连连，它会让你大呼过瘾。但是请放心，不会是Mark和Jason这样的自嗨拍档，更棒的内容在等着你。好了，准备好了吗？

Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to this week in startups. It's your boy, J. Cal. And today we have a very special guest for you. It's been a long time coming and today I'm thrilled to introduce Dr. Jordan Peterson.

大家好！欢迎回到《本周创业》。我是主持人 J. Cal。今天我们有一个非常特别的嘉宾，他就是大名鼎鼎的乔丹·彼得森博士。我们等了很久，今天终于迎来了他的到来，非常激动！

You know, it's really great to be here with you, Jason. Today, I want to talk about the war against young men in the Western hemisphere. Oh boy, that's a loaded topic, JP. Can I call you JP? I feel like I've known you for years. Oh, you can call me whatever you like, Jason. Just don't call me woke. These young men and boys are being discriminated against from all angles right now. Someone needs to think about them. Nobody is protecting them in our society.

你知道吗，和你在一起真的很棒，Jason。今天，我想谈谈西方半球对年轻男性的战争。哦天呐，这是一个负重的话题，JP。我可以叫你JP吗？我感觉我们已经认识很多年了。哦，你可以叫我任何你想叫的名字，Jason。只是别叫我醒觉。现在这些年轻男性和男孩正从所有角度受到歧视。我们的社会没有人保护他们。有人需要为他们考虑。

Okay. Let's take a pause for a second before we start talking about young dudes. Jordan, I have to ask. It's been an insane last few years for you. Has it not? It felt like a very select few intellectuals were familiar with your work, but just a few years ago. And now you're a total lightning rod on Twitter. Jason, I have to tell you, the last few years have been utterly transformative for me. I was a different person in 2018 than I am today. I wept live on air. I got banned from Twitter. Then I got let back on Twitter. I don't even know what the hell is going on half the time.

好的。在我们开始谈论年轻人之前，让我们暂停一下。乔丹，我想问你一下。最近几年对你来说一定是疯狂的，是吗？几年前，只有一些知识分子了解你的作品，但现在你在Twitter上完全成为一个闪电棒。杰森，我必须告诉你，过去几年对我来说是非常具有变革性的。2018年的我和现在的我已经不同了。我在直播中哭泣了。我被Twitter封禁，然后重新被放回。有时候我甚至不知道到底发生了什么。

You're right. I want to double click on something you just mentioned. You did weep like a child on camera a few months ago. What was that about? I wept like a little baby that went poopy in its pants. You did? Yeah. Why did you do that? I just could not stop thinking about all these young men and how hard of a time they're all having. And I just drew in a Jordan poopy pants. Jordan poopy pants. That has a pretty nice ring to it, huh? I think that's going to stick JP.

你是对的。我想再次提及你刚才提到的事情。几个月前，你在镜头前哭泣得像个孩子，那是为什么？我像婴儿一样哭泣，就像拉了臭尿布的孩子一样。你真的这样做了？是的。为什么这么做呢？我只是不能停止想着所有这些年轻人，他们都过着难以忍受的生活。于是我给他们起名为Jordan poopy pants。Jordan poopy pants。听起来相当不错，你觉得吗？我想这个名字会流行下去。JP。

Okay. That was so good. I mean, does Jordan Peterson's voice not sound almost perfect? Like that's crazy. JP's come on, Nick. You know, these men. Jordan poopy pants. Did you like that? I mean, you want to call me Jordan poopy pants because I care about young men, Rachel. That's okay with me. You know, somebody has to think about them. And if I have to wear depends and do podcasts till I'm 90. I'm still going to be there for these young boys.

好的。那真的很棒啊。我的意思是，乔丹·彼得森的声音不是几乎完美吗？简直了不起。JP的，拜托了，尼克。你知道这些男人。乔丹大便裤。你喜欢那个吗？我的意思是，你要叫我乔丹大便裤，因为我关心年轻男性，瑞秋。那对我来说没问题。你知道，一定有人要为他们考虑。如果我必须要戴着成人尿不湿一直做 podcast 直到我 90 岁，我仍然会为这些年轻男孩而在场。

I don't know. Who's better at impressions? Like this is going to have to be the audience. Yeah. Got a better impression. Mine's funnier. Well, mine's funnier because you know, I'm doing it. But I do think I don't know the poopy pants. I was pretty good. I'm going to we're going to do a new segment, Nick. And I do not get to hear the head of time. The AI, J. How interview is blank. So when there's a newsmaker who doesn't like me or we can't get on the show, permission granting to do what you just did up to like two or three minutes. And we'll just play it at the end.

我不知道。谁更擅长模仿？这得看观众的反应了。是啊，你有更好的模仿。但是我的更有趣，因为你知道，我是演的。不过我觉得我那个“拉屎裤子”的模仿很不错。我们要来一个新的环节，尼克。我不知道事先要采访的对象是谁。这就是空白的AI J. How采访。所以当有一位新闻人物不喜欢我或我们无法邀请到他出现在节目中，我们就有了授权来做你刚才做的事情，时长最多两到三分钟。然后我们将在节目结尾播放。

Another AI unauthorized AI, J. How to doom in his next. Oh my god. Just do it. I want to play this one more time. I want to play back this one clip. Listen to the inflection in your voice here. It's not so much the tone because your tone is a little, I mean, Jordan Peterson's almost perfect. Listen to your inflection in your voice when you asked this question. You did weep like a child on camera a few months ago. What was that about? You hear you say that? What was that about? Isn't that like almost?

另一个AI未经授权的AI，J.如何在他的下一步中灭亡。哦，天哪。就这么做吧。我想再玩一次这个。我想回放这个片断。听听你在这里的声调变化。重要的不是语气，因为你的语气有点，我是说，乔丹·彼得森几乎完美。听听你问这个问题时的声调变化。你在几个月前在镜头前像一个孩子哭泣过，那是怎么回事？你听到你说什么了吗？那不是几乎...？

Yeah, no, I always answer when I answer, ask a question I like to sometimes use my inflection to get everybody a cue it up. And I just put it right on. I was like blown away. Did weep like a child on camera a few months ago. What was that about? I wept like a little baby that went poopy in its pants. You did. Yeah. I mean, why did you do that? I just could not stop thinking about all these young men and how hard of a time they're all having. And I don't know, I just turned into Jordan poopy pants.

嗯，我总是会回答问题的，如果你问了一个我喜欢的问题，我有时会利用语调来让大家清晰地听到我的回答。我就这样直截了当地说了出来。我几个月前在镜头前像个孩子一样啜泣，这是怎么回事？我像一个弄脏了裤子的小婴儿一样哭了起来。是的，我就是那样。我为什么会这样？我就是无法停止思考所有这些年轻人的困难时刻。我不知道，我就变成了乔丹拉屎裤。

I have to say this is going to open up a whole new segment on the show. When we can't get a newsmaker or somebody does something insane, we just completely can make the show go Howard Stern, whatever puppets, you know, doing interp, prank callers, whatever. Like you could have me prank all people at home. That would be hilarious as a bit.

我不得不说，这将会在节目中开启一个全新的板块。当我们无法找到新闻人物或有人做了疯狂的事情时，我们可以完全让节目变成霍华德·斯特恩那样，用木偶、即兴表演、恶作剧电话等来制作节目。比如，你可以让我恶作剧打电话到家里的人。那将会非常有趣。

Yeah, go have fun. Hey, Mark. Do you have a family password?

好的，去玩吧。嘿，马克。你有家庭密码吗？这句话是说，一个人告诉另一个人去尽情玩乐，然后询问对方是否有一个家庭密码，可能是为了进一步讨论安全或保护隐私的问题。

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're a family doesn't get scammed with AI.

不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行、不行。你的家庭不该被AI诈骗。意思是不要相信所有的人工智能，尤其是涉及到钱财的事情。要保持警觉，防止被诈骗。

Oh, oh, I have been really interested in it. Always have to be a safe word. Yes, safe word. I've had family. I've always had one since I was a little late. I don't know. My parents like us are really afraid of kidnapping or something, but we've always had one when I was little.

哦，我对此真的很感兴趣。一直都需要一个安全词。是的，安全词。我有家人。自从我很小的时候就一直有一个。我不知道。我父母就像我们一样非常害怕被绑架之类的事情，但是我小时候就一直有一个安全词。

I mean, now even more than ever, feel like I've seen it before. You say the word. Yeah, you know, I'm word that everybody's like, whoa, whatever, yeah, see in Tokyo. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah. My parents were ahead of the game. I give them kudos.

我是说，现在比以往任何时候都更感觉到我见过这种情况。你说出来的话，对，你知道，就是大家都会感到惊异的话，是吧，就像看到东京一样。没错，完全正确。所以我只是想说说而已。是啊，我得表扬下我父母，他们是领先的。

Artists, looks, and we never say. And, uh, yeah, I think that's really good. Good idea. Well, I mean, I think this is a thing of very educational.

艺术家、外表，我们从不说。嗯，是的，我认为这非常不错。很好的想法。这个东西非常有教育意义。

Thank you to the producers and to the folks at 11 labs. I owe 11 labs. I owe were able to do all that for us. And by the way, there's a business called splice, which has monetized people's collections of clips, right? And a lot of people use splice. We had the CEO on episode 1265. So if you're just typing this week and startups 1265, you can go find that. It's interesting.

感谢制片人和11实验室的人们，我欠他们很多。是他们让我们能够做到这一切。顺便说一句，有一个名叫splice的企业，他们将人们的剪辑集合商业化。很多人都在使用splice。我们在第1265期邀请了该公司的CEO。如果您想了解更多，请在本周的startups 1265中查找。很有意思哦。

I wanted to make this notion or code instance of like every episode summarized. And, uh, I'm glad we didn't finish that project because it seems like AI is able to do it right now. So I think we're going to be able to just fire, just take the entire corpus of MP3 is put it on notion and it should be the ability with software to just make these pages and make the transcripts and make the summaries.

我想将每集的概要或代码示例汇总起来。我很高兴我们没有完成那个项目，因为现在看来人工智能已经能够完成它了。我认为我们只需要把所有的MP3文档放在notion上，利用软件就能够制作这些页面、做出文字记录和概要了。

So what I do is I go into my D script, which I already used to transcribe like meetings and stuff. And I just throw it in like explain paper.com or notion right now to transcribe stuff. What was it on? Explain paper.com. I don't know that name. It's what kids use to. Uh, they're there. Yeah. In college.

所以我的做法是，我使用我的D脚本，我已经用它来记录会议等等。然后我只需将它放入像explain paper.com或notion之类的网站来记录。这是指Explain paper.com吗？我不知道这个名字。那是学生们用的，他们在大学里使用它。

So, right. I mean, I think kids in college are able to use all these tools, but then they should be forced to write their papers and essays in person. I really hate to, I know this is like right now every college kid is like, STF you. If I'm a teacher, I said, listen, you can use whatever tools you want. But, uh, you know, when we give our tests or whatever and you do an essay, you have to write it on paper. So we're going to check your penmanship, your ability to write without the tools and your ability to look without the tools. Can you imagine how people would lose their minds if they were required to write, but a 500 word essay on a piece of paper with a that would be kind of crazy with pen and paper. I remember though. So this, that's what I did it. Tattoo, he was out when I was in college. And I remember the first time I ever used it was my senior year 2020. And one of my friends got like my friend, Rita got the beta of it.

所以，对的。我是说，我认为大学生能够运用所有这些工具，但他们应该被强制用纸笔写作文和论文。我真的很讨厌这个，我知道现在每个大学生都在说，闭嘴你。如果我是老师，我会说，听着，你可以使用任何工具。但是，当我们进行考试或者写论文时，你必须使用纸和笔来写。所以我们会检查你的书写能力，你没有工具时的写作能力和思考能力。你能想象如果人们被要求在纸上用笔写一个500字的论文，他们会有多疯狂吗？我记得。那就是我在大学时做的。纹身是在我大学的时候流行的。我记得我第一次使用它是在2020年我读大四的时候，我的一个朋友Rita得到了它的测试版。

Reggie, I remember what we, GPT, right? Like GPT 2. Yeah. Yeah. GPT, excuse me. We put in like our resumes to make our cover letters like come out. And I feel like there needs to be a class on more so use cases. Because I think like that was a good start, but looking back on it, like I don't even think like people are even realizing of what these tools can be used for in the educational setting. Like yeah, obviously grading papers is great. But like what else could they be doing? Like that, that should be a whole class on its own.

Reggie，我记得我们是GPT，对吧？就像GPT 2一样。是的。是的。GPT，抱歉。我们用简历来制作求职信，我觉得需要更多的案例来作为教学。因为我认为那是一个很好的开始，但回过头来看，似乎人们甚至没有意识到这些工具在教育领域中可以用于什么。当然了，批改论文很好，但他们还能做些什么？这应该成为一个整个课程。

Yeah, just briefly wanted to touch on one amazing CEO Brian Armstrong is from Coinbase. Before we wrap here, I know we're wrapping. I'm going to fill our more of show. But I saw he said, you know, everything's on the table, including possibly relocating the company. When a CEO says something like that, that means they're actually planning it and doing it. So I would be surprised if Coinbase wasn't based in another country by the end of the year. He should move it because if he's got to go to court with the SEC, he could really prove his point by just saying, you know what? Okay, fine. I'm taking all the jobs. I'm taking everybody. I'm moving myself. I'm going to get I'm going to go to Portugal or whoever goes to the zoo. Just really in wherever go to Singapore, whoever wants them, whoever wants it, $10 billion or $20 billion company, I'm not sure what Coinbase is. Mark is right now.

嗯，我只想简单提一下 Coinbase 的杰出 CEO Brian Armstrong。在我们结束之前，我知道我们快结束了，我还要补充一些内容。但我看到他说，包括可能搬迁公司，这意味着他们正在计划和实施。所以我会很惊讶 Coinbase 是否不再是总部在本国的公司。他应该搬家。因为如果他必须和 SEC 上法庭，他可以通过说：“你知道吗？好吧，那好吧。我把所有的工作带走，我带走所有人。我搬家了。我去葡萄牙或者是去动物园的人。去新加坡，谁想要就给谁，价值100亿美元或200亿美元的公司，我不确定 Coinbase 目前的估值是多少。”这样他就能真正的证明自己的观点。

He should literally do an RFP who wants a $10 billion company to be based in their country. I'm looking for a 20 year deal here and he should put that in the face of the United States and the SEC and say, listen, you didn't you did not regulate properly in his mind. And he's got a solid argument. You didn't tell us the rules of the road. Now, the counter argument that the rules didn't change is also valid. So, and I might mean 70% towards that and 30% towards the done a better job. He might be 70, 30 the other way or whatever intelligent people can disagree on this.

他应该真正地发起RFP，以想让一个100亿美元公司在他们的国家建立基础的人。我在这里寻找20年的交易，并且他应该把这个放在美国和证券交易委员会的面前，告诉他们，听着，你没有恰当地监管。他有一个坚实的论据。你没有告诉我们路规。现在，反对的论点是规则并没有改变，这也是有效的。因此，我可能倾向于70%的占比认同前者，30%的占比认同后者。他可能倾向于70/30另一种方式，或者任何聪明人都可以就此存在分歧。

But I do think he should write an RFP, put up a notion page and just say, which country would like us just like Amazon did for their headquarters to? He should do Coinbase HQ and have people bid and say, whoever gives us the best tax deal, the best relocation deal. I'm looking for $10,000 per-foot office. If you have a, you know, you might find a country like a Portugal and Italy, Spain, whoever or South American country, you know, Sri Lanka, who knows? Like somebody might just say, you know what? We want to get jobs there.

我认为他应该起草一份RFP（请求提案书），发布一个提议页面，就像亚马逊寻找总部的方式那样，向全世界寻求 Coinbase 公司的新总部。他应该命名为 Coinbase 总部，让人们来竞标，看哪个国家能够给出最优惠的税收和最佳的劳动力成本。我期待着 $10,000/平方英尺的办公室。有可能像葡萄牙、意大利、西班牙，甚至南美国家和斯里兰卡等国家提出提案，他们可以说：“你知道吗？我们希望在我们这里创造就业机会”。

And if he says, listen, I'll live there some number of months a year. And I think this is an extraordinary turn of events. So we're monitoring that Coinbase CEO. I'm sure I'm saying anything is on the table, including relocating. You know, the regulatory clarity is not a reality here in the United States. That's big news. Big big news. It is. It's crazy. So do you think over, it's over under a year, when do you think they could be, they could be out of the states? Oh, I think he's already decided to do it. What do you think? You think I think it's already decision made. I think he's already made his decision.

如果他说，听着，我会在那儿住上一些月份。我认为这是一个非同寻常的事件。所以我们正在密切关注Coinbase的CEO。我确信弄清楚情况的任何事情都有可能，包括搬迁。你知道，在美国，监管的明确性不是现实。这是个重要的消息。非常的重要。这太疯狂了。那么你认为，在一年之内，他们离开美国的概率多大？哦，我认为他已经作出决定了。你认为呢？我认为他已经做出了决定。

A lot of time when people float stuff like that, it's kind of like, when a CEO floats that stuff, it means they have the plans already underway. They're executing and they're kind of, I'm not going to say, I told you so. You know, and I gave you fair warning, but I bet you he has. My guess is for the past year or since this Wells notice came, I bet you other countries said, why are you dealing with this nonsense? We'd love to have you here. I'm sure apology is over wherever I don't want to dox him, but whatever free market he's in, I think it's public. But I wouldn't say here, but I know it's not in the United States anymore. A lot of the crypto people left to other places, Puerto Rico, Singapore, or Zieg, whatever. And so I bet you people called him and said, why don't you just move here and just stop servicing US citizens and just put it in the face of, and you'll get more customers.

很多时候，当人们提及那样的事情时，这就像是CEO提及这些事情一样，意味着他们已经在计划中并且正在执行。他们会说，“我不会说，我早就告诉过你了。”我敢打赌，自从收到核查通知以来过去的一年或更长时间里，其他国家就会说，“为什么要涉及这种无谓的事情呢？我们很欢迎你过来。”我确信，在任何自由市场中他都不会被道歉，不过我不想惹麻烦所以不想透露。但我知道他不在美国了。很多加密货币人士离开美国去了其他地方如波多黎各、新加坡、孟加拉等。所以我敢打赌，有人会打电话给他，建议他搬到那里并停止为美国公民提供服务，这样就可以在对面展示它，并获得更多的客户。

I mean, you know, we might already know the place he's doing this, because Brian Armstrong kind of talked about this a lot when he was at the UK based Fintech event or A Fintech event based in UK. Maybe it's somewhere over there.

我的意思是，你知道的，我们可能已经知道他在哪里做这件事了，因为Brian Armstrong在参加位于英国的Fintech活动或以英国为基础的Fintech活动时经常谈论这个问题。也许这就是他的行动区域。

Well, and remember I said the program that data was the new oil and that Reddit and Cora and all of these places would start charging. Reddit's going to charge people for API access, Ukraine systems, which means OpenAI, which has been using it, is going to have to pay a retroactive bill, and a offset or rip out all that learning, and that lawsuit, I believe, could result in an injunction that turns off chat GPT. So just to let people know exactly what a powerful position Reddit is in, Reddit could file a lawsuit, they could ask for an injunction, essentially a restraining order against chat GPT opening AI and Bing, that could result in them having to suspend access to chat GPT, because they stole that data and training data from Reddit. They stole it without permission, is I think what happened. I think I'm just going to put a couple of qualifiers on this, because we don't know the conversations, I think, or maybe they gave them temporary access to it, but you know, if you trained on other people's data and they filed that lawsuit in the right jurisdiction that is friendly towards IP holders, it could result in an injunction, and you could say, I want them to have to turn it off, which that means, I mean, if you raised $10 billion, if you're OpenAI, how do you not give a hundred million to Reddit?

Reddit表示，数据是新的石油，Reddit和Cora等社交平台不久将开始收费。Reddit将向用户收取API访问费，这意味着OpenAI也将不得不支付一笔追溯费用，否则必须放弃所有已经训练好的数据，由于未经Reddit允许，OpenAI和Bing获取了Reddit的数据和训练数据，这可能会导致违反知识产权的禁令并关闭聊天GPT。Reddit可以起诉，请求禁令，限制AI和Bing的访问，因为他们未经允许窃取了Reddit的数据和训练数据。如果在保护知识产权的地区提起诉讼并获得了禁令，OpenAI也将不得不关闭聊天GPT，这将会对他们的业务造成严重影响。如果OpenAI筹集了100亿美元，又怎么可能不给Reddit捐赠1亿美元呢？

I think Reddit's probably worth a hundred million a year. A billion dollars, I think they'll make more money, Reddit ultimately from their data than they will from their advertising. So good on Reddit, and I would file a lawsuit if I was Reddit immediately against anybody who trained on their data, and I would put that in the terms of services. If you scrape any of our data, you've got to pass for less than simply. It's going to be a lot of lawsuits dropping as my prediction.

我认为Reddit每年能创造一亿美元的价值。我认为他们最终将从数据中得到比广告更多的收入，因此他们将赚到十亿美元。因此，Reddit做得很好，如果我是Reddit，我会立即对任何依赖他们的数据进行培训的人提起诉讼，并将其列入服务条款中。如果您抓取我们的任何数据，您必须通过简单的方式进行处理。这将导致许多诉讼，这是我的预测。

Well, it's going to be interesting. I guess to see how that happened.

好了，这将会很有趣。我想看看这是怎么发生的。

All right, everybody. I think that's a wrap. Rachel, you did great. Great job. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me on the show.

大家好，我认为这就是收官之际了。Rachel，你的表现非常出色，干得好。谢谢。非常感谢您让我参加这个节目。

Of course, of course. I think you're going to be here weekly, and we try to get you in the weekly rotation.

当然，当然。我认为您将每周出现在这里，我们会尽量让您参与到每周轮班中。

I'm excited to be here. Of course, of course. Of course.

我很兴奋能来到这里。当然，当然。当然。

You're all done. Everybody, uh, all Rachel on the socials. What do you give your socials? You give your little plug right there.

你们都做完了。大家注意一下，在社交媒体上要关注一下Rachel。你们可以在那里推销一下自己哦。

I'm at underscore Rachel Braun. So I wasn't cool enough to drop the underscore. I don't know if I ever will be, but now I've kept it up on.

我是下划线Rachel Braun。所以我没那么酷，不能去掉下划线。我不知道我是否有机会变得更酷，但现在我还保持着下划线。

I made a, I have a pro-stagram because everybody has a professional Instagram that's underscore. I mean, that's a different friend, their regular Instagram. So I have an Instagram now. Still can't get the at-rageal-bron.

我建了一个专业版的Instagram，因为每个人都有一个带下划线的专业版，和他们常用的Instagram不同。所以我现在也有了一个Instagram账号。但是我仍然不能得到@rageal-bron。

Okay, I'm throwing about it. Wait, wait, what did you call it? What was the term? A pro-stagram.

好的，我正在说这个。等等，等等，你刚刚叫它什么？是什么术语？是pro-stagram。表达意思：说话者正在讨论一个话题，对方使用了一个术语“pro-stagram”。

A pro-stagram. Yeah. My, nothing's on it, but I can't. But I can't own a pro-stagram.

一个赞成使用Instagram社交媒体的人。是啊，我的账户上什么也没有，但我无法拥有专业的Instagram账户。

Nick asked if I paid for Instagram. I have not. I kind of want to on my, I would do it.

尼克问我是否支付了Instagram的费用。我没有。我有点想付钱，如果这样的话我会去做的。

It sounds weird because on my, I've only been um, fake, so like I had fake accounts happen a few times on Twitter, but I've had a lot of fake accounts of me on Instagram because I wasn't super public.

这听起来有点奇怪，因为我只是被模仿过，比如有几次在推特上被人假冒，但在Instagram上有很多人假冒我的账号，因为我以前不是很公开。

Like I have a personal one. And so people are making like fake Instagram accounts of me and trying to sell Bitcoin for a while. So maybe I will pay for Instagram verified.

就像我有一个私人账户一样。然后有些人假冒我的身份，在 Instagram 上开设虚假账户，并尝试以比特币的形式进行欺诈活动。因此，也许我会为 Instagram 验证付费。

I just want to warn people. Somebody just sent me a whole signal or telegram, telegram thread that they had with an impersonator of mine. I will never ask you to invest in a deal over signal.

我只是想提醒大家。有人刚刚给我发了一整个信号或电报的线程，内容是与我的冒名者进行的聊天。我永远不会要求你通过信号来投资交易。

Any deal we do will come from my company, the syndicate.com, jason at calicannis.com. If you're concerned hit reply, we do like one deal every week on the syndicate.com. I do not operate in crypto. You do not wire me money. Do not send me Bitcoin. I do not have wallets in any of those things.

我们所做的任何交易都将来自我的公司syndicate.com，jason@calicannis.com。如果您有任何疑虑，请回复。我们在syndicate.com每周都会做一笔交易。我不使用加密货币进行交易。您不需要向我汇款，也不要发送比特币。我没有任何这些数字货币的钱包。

If you are contacted by me, it would be through one of the people who work at our company. You can DM me, open DMs on our platforms, into chat where you can ever, if you ever have anybody doing this kind of stuff, just email jason at calicannis.com and go right back to you and just send me the screenshots. Of course, report it.

如果你要联系我，会通过我们公司的某个员工联系。可以通过私信我，或在我们的平台上打开私信功能，或者进入聊天窗口。如果有人做出这种行为，请发送截图到jason@calicannis.com邮箱，我会立即回复，并报告该事件。

I will never ask you to do a deal over SMS. I will never ask you to do anonymous wallet. I will never ask you for your bank account information.

我永远不会要求你通过短信做交易。我永远不会要求你使用匿名钱包。我永远不会要求你提供你的银行账户信息。意思是：在交易过程中，我不会使用不安全的方式要求你进行操作或提供敏感信息，保护你的利益和安全。

This is crazy. People are so dumb. I guess they only need to get one person who is excited. Then I saw the text stream. The person told me, I feel stupid, but I was just excited to talk to you. Because I'm a fan. I was like, oh, thank you for letting me know.

这太疯狂了。人们真是太愚蠢了。我猜他们只需要得到一个对话题感到兴奋的人就行了。然后我看到了信息流。那个人告诉我：我感觉自己很蠢，但我只是因为我是你的粉丝而感到兴奋。我像是，哦，谢谢你让我知道。

By the way, if you do have a bitcoin laying around, you could use a bitcoin if you want to go to the next game. I'll see you next time.

顺便说一下，如果你手上有比特币，你可以使用它来参加下一场比赛。下次见。（意思是如果你有比特币，可以使用它来购买下一场比赛的门票）