What Everyone Gets Wrong About Personal Growth - Robin Sharma

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以下是对内容的中文翻译：著名的领导力专家罗宾·夏玛讨论了他关于真正财富的理念，这种财富超越了单纯的财务积累。他强调，财富包含着丰富的家庭生活、不计外部认可地追求自己的事业、培养内心的平静、以尊重待人以及努力让世界变得更美好。夏玛提倡用“热情投资组合”取代“投资组合”，强调关注真正能支撑和激励自己的事物的重要性。他回顾了与一些非常成功的人合作的经历，这些人尽管取得了世俗的成功，却感到空虚和不满足。夏玛分享了亿万富翁和商业巨头们与深刻的孤独和内心不满作斗争的轶事，突出了现金充足和生活匮乏之间的差距。他引用了金·凯瑞的观察，即每个人都应该变得富有和出名，才能意识到这并不是幸福的关键。夏玛介绍了他的“八种财富”模型，该模型重新定义了财富，超越了财务范畴。第一种也是最重要的财富形式是个人成长，强调通过冥想、写日记和治愈不安全感来不断自我提升的价值。他断言，内在成长直接影响一个人的收入、影响力和人际关系。夏玛概述了个人发展必不可少的“四大内在帝国”：心态（心理学）、心境（情绪）、健康状况（身体）和灵魂（灵性）。他澄清说，灵魂并非宗教，而是一个人与其更高或英雄自我的关系。他强调专注于内在工作以实现真正的力量和外在成功的重要性。夏玛警告不要成为“怨恨收集者”，强调处理和释放过去伤害的重要性，以避免影响创造力、生产力和能量。他强调了痛苦和困难在个人成长和创造性努力中的变革潜力。他强调“难的是容易的，容易的是难的”。他介绍了“MVP”（冥想、可视化、祈祷）作为一种强大的早晨习惯，可以重新编程心态、心境、健康状况和灵魂。他还分享了五个有用的日记提示：感恩、承认胜利、确定要放弃的东西、设想理想的一天，以及反思在生命尽头需要说什么。他建议人们问自己：我感激什么？我在哪里获胜？今天我要放弃什么？我理想的一天是什么样的？当我接近死亡时，要思考的最重要的事情是什么？他介绍了O-mad。每周应该进行一次禁食，将原本用于这些膳食的钱捐赠给需要食物的人。夏玛提倡选择一个相容的生活伴侣，强调共同的价值观并最大限度地减少冲突。他强调“红旗就是红旗”，敦促听众注意人际关系中的警告信号。他提倡事业的力量。强调投入到一个人事业中的努力和精力常常被他人感受到和欣赏，即使没有明确地被认可。他分享了人们在工作中超越自我的轶事，突出了慷慨和奉献精神的深刻影响。夏玛强调慷慨的重要性，引用说慷慨是富人赚钱的方式。他对比了稀缺和富足的心态，认为慷慨会导致更大的成功和满足感。他鼓励人们提供超乎寻常的价值和质量。夏玛介绍了霍华德·休斯的金钱陷阱。让财务财富成为你的仆人，而不是你的主人。他讨论说，许多富人花费他们的日子来保护他们的世代财富，而不是享受它。他讨论说，他的滑雪教练可能是最富有的人之一，因为他过着丰富的生活，但他并不富有金钱。夏玛谈到了生命中最重要的是家庭和朋友的主题。他建议，如果一个人幸运，而且他们没有支持的家庭成员，那么就找到三个可以依靠的朋友，他们是一种比金钱更重要的财富形式。他还警告不要将依恋与爱混淆，将依恋描述为源于恐惧和缺乏自爱。他强调，真正的爱是安全、稳定和支持性的。夏玛强调，你可以改变世界，或者和有毒的人在一起，你不能两者兼得。如果你正在成长，你今天的许多朋友可能不会成为你明天的朋友，因为他们会拖累你。夏玛还建议，导师对一个人的成功至关重要。最后，夏玛谈到了亚历山大大帝的故事。这个故事的重要教训是，世界上最好的医生也无法阻止死亡的到来，即使有最好的医生，你也无法欺骗死亡。二是你不应该花费一生积累财富，只是为了发现当你去世时，它仍然留在地球上。最后，最伟大的教训是，一个人出生时一无所有，死时也空手而去。

Robin Sharma, a renowned leadership expert, discusses his concept of true wealth, which goes beyond mere financial accumulation. He emphasizes that wealth encompasses a rich family life, pursuing one's craft regardless of external validation, cultivating inner serenity, treating others with respect, and striving to make the world a better place. Sharma champions the idea of a "portfolio of enthusiasm" over a portfolio of investments, highlighting the importance of focusing on what truly sustains and inspires one. He recounts his experiences working with highly successful individuals who, despite achieving worldly success, feel empty and unfulfilled. Sharma shares anecdotes of billionaires and tycoons grappling with profound loneliness and internal dissatisfaction, highlighting the disparity between cash-rich and life-poor existences. He cites Jim Carrey's observation that everyone should be rich and famous to realize it's not the key to happiness. Sharma introduces his "eight forms of wealth" model, which redefines wealth beyond financial terms. The first and foremost form of wealth is personal growth, emphasizing the value of continuous self-improvement through meditation, journaling, and healing insecurities. He asserts that inner growth directly impacts one's income, impact, and relationships. Sharma outlines the "four interior empires" essential for personal development: mindset (psychology), heart set (emotionality), health set (physicality), and soul set (spirituality). He clarifies that soul set is not religious but rather one's relationship with their higher or heroic self. He underscores the importance of focusing on inner work to achieve true power and outward success. Sharma cautions against becoming a "resentment collector," emphasizing the importance of processing and releasing past hurts to avoid affecting creativity, productivity, and energy. He highlights the transformative potential of pain and difficulty in personal growth and creative endeavors. He emphasizes that hard is easy and easy is hard. He introduces "MVP" (Meditation, Visualization, Prayer) as a powerful morning routine to reprogram mindset, heart set, health set, and soul set. He also shares five helpful journaling prompts: gratitude, recognition of wins, identifying what to let go of, envisioning an ideal day, and reflecting on what needs to be said at the end of life. He recommends people ask what am I grateful for. Where am I winning. What am I going to let go of today. What does my ideal day look like and what are the most important things as I approach my death to be thinking about. He introduces O-mad. That there should be a once a week fast where that money you would spend on those meals should be given to people in need of food. Sharma advocates for choosing a compatible life partner, emphasizing shared values and minimizing drama. He reinforces that "a red flag is a red flag," urging listeners to pay attention to warning signs in relationships. He advocates the power of craft. Emphasizes that the effort and energy put into one's craft are often felt and appreciated by others, even if not explicitly recognized. He shares anecdotes of people going above and beyond in their work, highlighting the profound impact of generosity and dedication. Sharma underscores the importance of generosity, citing generosity is how the wealthy make money. He contrasts scarcity and abundance mindsets, arguing that generosity leads to greater success and fulfillment. He encourages people to deliver outrageous value and quality. Sharma introduces Howard Hughes money trap. Allow financial wealth to be your servant and not your master. He discusses that many of the wealthy spend their days protecting their generational wealth instead of enjoying it. He discusses that his ski instructor might be one of the wealthiest people around, because he had a rich life and he was not rich with money. Sharma touches on the theme that the most important things in life are family and friends. He suggests, if a person is lucky, and they don't have a supportive family member to find three friends that they can rely on and they are a form of riches that are more important than money. He also cautions against confusing attachment with love, describing attachment as born of fear and a lack of self-love. He emphasizes that true love is secure, stable, and supportive. Sharma highlights that you can change the world or hang around toxic people, you can't do both. If you're on a path of growth, many of the friends you have today might not be your friends tomorrow because they are bringing you down. Sharma also recommends that a mentor is crucial to one's success. Finally, Sharma touches on the Alexander the Great story. The important lesson of the story is that the world's finest doctors cannot prevent the arrival of death, that even with the best physician you cannot cheat death. Two that you should not spend a life accumulating wealth only to find it remains on earth as you pass away. Finally, the greatest lesson is that a person is born with nothing and they die empty handed.

摘要

Robin Sharma is a leadership expert, motivational speaker and an author. Often we tell ourselves, ‘Once I make X amount of money then I’ll be free to enjoy my life. However, when we reach that milestone, the fulfilment we hoped for isn’t always there. So what is the key to finding happiness in life while also achieving material success? Expect to learn the types of wealth that money can't buy and how to cultivate them, what true wealth looks like, how to ensure you are choosing the path that’s best for you personally and financially, if you actually have to become rich before changing your focus to other leisure activities, what you should be auditing every day to make sure you are aligned in life and much more... - 00:00 What Does True Wealth Look Like? 08:26 Biggest Misconceptions on Personal Growth 13:48 The Messiness of Deep Growth 17:16 Best Strategies for Wellness 26:13 Healthy Relationships With Partner & Family 35:01 Finding Pleasure in Your Craft 51:31 The Howard Hughes Money Trap 1:01:01 Building a Community of Friends 1:06:05 The Importance of Mentors & Adventures 1:16:29 Where to Find Robin - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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What does true wealth look like to you? Rich family life. Pursuing my craft, even if there's no applause. Serenity, I think the new luxury good. Treating my readers with respect and honouring what I call the sacred bond. Enjoying my portfolio of enthusiasm is a form of wealth. And doing whatever I can do to make the world a better place as idealistic as that might sound. It's a great source of joy, great source of happiness to do whatever I can to make alive with people better.

对你来说，真正的财富是什么样的？富有的家庭生活。追求自己的技艺，即使没有掌声。我认为宁静是新的奢侈品。尊重我的读者，珍视我所谓的神圣纽带。享受我充满热忱的事项也是一种财富。无论听起来多么理想，我都会尽我所能让世界变得更美好。这是快乐和幸福的重要来源——尽力去改善他人的生活。

I like the idea of a portfolio of enthusiasm as opposed to a portfolio of investments. It's really what the wealth money can't buy is about. I don't, I'm not saying a portfolio of investments financially is not important. But what's the point of worldly success with an empty heart? So I think if you can make money and if you can be productive and achieve worldly success, but also do it in a way that sustains you and doesn't have the costs of getting to a mountain top and then realizing you missed the most important things. I think that's the way to go.

我喜欢“热情组合”而不是“投资组合”的这个想法。这其实体现了财富和金钱无法购买的东西。我并不是说在财务上有一个投资组合不重要，但如果内心空虚，世俗的成功又有什么意义呢？所以，我认为，如果你能够赚钱，能够高效地实现世俗的成功，但同样重要的是，要以一种让你感到充实的方式去做，而不是在到达巅峰时才发现错过了最重要的东西。我认为这才是正确的路径。

You work with a lot of very successful well-known people. How common is it for those individuals at the top of their industry to have got to the top of the mountain and then hated it all the way up and realized it was the wrong one when they got there. Is that just a meme or is that something that actually shows up in practice? Absolutely true. I had one client on his way home from work. Things were so unsatisfying even though he had all the money in the world. He would pick up a case of beer and Medicaid himself every evening.

你和许多非常成功和知名的人一起工作。在他们所在行业达到顶峰的人中，有多少人是爬到顶峰后才发现这并不是他们想要的，但在攀登的过程中却一直不喜欢呢？这是一个网络流行语还是实际上经常发生的情况？这种情况绝对是真的。有一位客户，他在下班回家的路上，尽管已经拥有了很多财富，但对生活仍然感到不满足。于是他每天晚上都会买一箱啤酒来麻痹自己。

There's one chapter in the book, the multi billionaire and the very empty mansion, which is we received a call to mentor a very famous billionaire who you would know. I decided to accept the engagement I showed up in his country showed up in this city went to this area that was populated by lots of embassies. Got into his driveway biggest house I've ever seen. Met by one of his aides escorted past his art collection amazing. Walk past his car collection with a glass wall led down a set of set of set of stairs.

书中的一章讲述了一个多亿万富翁和一座非常空旷的豪宅。有一天，我们接到一个邀请电话，要去指导一位非常有名的亿万富翁，你肯定知道他。我决定接受这个任务，于是我来到了他的国家，进入了这座城市，到了一个大使馆云集的地区。我走进了他的车道，看到了我见过的最大的房子。他的一名助手迎接了我，并带我参观了他令人惊叹的艺术收藏。我们走过他的汽车收藏区，那里有一面玻璃墙，然后沿着一组又一组的楼梯走下去。

I heard Metallica's for whom the bell tolls playing. I could smell cigars smoke something out of a movie. And I walked down this hallway and in the room is this mogul. We spent two hours he talked about the business is he built the money he'd made the beautiful toys he'd accumulated and then of course I asked him who do you get to share this with. And he said long pause and then he said I'm all alone.

我听到Metallica的歌曲《For Whom the Bell Tolls》在播放，空气中还能闻到电影里那种雪茄烟的味道。我走过一个走廊，进入一个房间，里面坐着一个显赫的人物。我们聊了两个小时，他讲述了自己打造的商业帝国、赚到的钱以及拥有的美丽玩物。然后我问他，你和谁分享这些呢？他沉默了很久，最后回答说，我是孤独一人。

And so I think it's more common than we could imagine people who we think have everything who their cash rich and their life poor. And it makes me think of what Jim Kerry said he said I wish everyone could be rich and famous to realize it will make a difference. There's another quote I think it's from Tim O'Reilly who said try getting rich first and realize if you still need to become famous. I think that's another another level down that a lot of people think that they want adoration but what they really want was financial security and that there's a lot of prices that come with fame.

我认为，这种现象比我们想象的更普遍：那些我们认为什么都有的人，虽然他们现金富有，但生活却很贫乏。让我想起了金·凯瑞的一句话，他说：“我希望每个人都能富有和出名，这样他们就会明白这并不会带来什么不同。” 还有一句话，可能是蒂姆·奥莱利说的，他说：“试着先变得富有，然后看看你是否还需要变得出名。” 我认为这揭示了另一个层面，很多人觉得他们想要的是赞美，但实际上他们真正想要的是财务安全，而名望带来了很多代价。

Do you think this is something I've been thinking about an awful lot. Do you think that that is a lesson that lots and lots of wealth won't fix internal insufficiency or a need for validation or your mental pathologies or your sense of aloneness or the texture of your own mind being and happy when you fall asleep on a nighttime. Is that a lesson that people can learn without closing the loop of achieving some degree of financial success first.

你觉得我是否常常思考这个问题：大量的财富无法解决内心的不满足、对认同的需求、精神上的问题、孤独感或是你的内心在夜幕降临时感到的不快乐。你认为是否可以在不用先获得一定程度的财务成功的情况下学习到这个教训？

Well first of all you just offered a great quote on wealth and success and I'd love to reply with something I once heard someone once said the ultimate amount of the perfect amount of fame is getting a great table in a good restaurant. And I think there's something wise in that in that statement. So yeah, I think the lesson is don't numb your productivity. I'm a huge believer in creativity and productivity. I think it's a great source of joy.

首先，你刚才引用了一个关于财富和成功的绝妙名言，我非常喜欢。我曾听过有人说，完美的名声就是在一家好餐厅里得到一个极好的座位。我觉得这句话很有智慧。所以，我认为这里的教训是不要麻痹你的生产力。我非常相信创造力和生产力，因为它们是快乐的重要来源。

I don't know about you but when I'm getting when I'm pursuing my mount Everest and when I feel I'm being creative and productive and pushing whatever magic I can make into the world and helping people. It's inspiring and it fills me with a great amount of happiness. I never want to retire. Having said that nothing on the outside is ever going to fill the holes that we have on the inside.

我不知道你怎么想，但当我在追寻我的“珠穆朗玛峰”时，当我感到自己富有创意、富有成效并努力把我所能创造的奇迹带给这个世界并帮助他人时，这对我是一种激励，并让我充满了巨大的幸福感。我永远不想退休。话虽如此，外在的成就永远无法填补我们内心的空缺。

And I think that's one of the great drugs of wealth and over achievement. We have these internal wounds. I mean I can't tell you how many billionaires and celebrity tycoons that I've worked with their father or their mother never told them they were any good. And so this world in many ways has been built with people by people with chips on their shoulder and.

我认为这就是财富和过度成就的巨大毒药之一。我们都会有一些内心的伤痛。说实话，我见过很多亿万富翁和名人，他们的父亲或母亲从未告诉过他们他们有多好。因此，这个世界在许多方面是由那些心中有不满的人建造的。

So now where and subconsciously they're accumulating and striving and gathering all these things because they really don't feel they have enough and they don't feel very good about themselves. And so I think the real key is still achieve and accumulate build and achieve worldly success. But question your root intention is the building and accumulation because you're overcompensating and you have these holes within or is the building because you want to build monuments and you want to see how far you can go and you want to realize your primal genius and you want to make the world a better place.

现在，他们在潜意识里不停地积累、追求和收集各种东西，因为他们真的觉得自己不够好，对自己没有信心。所以，我认为关键在于继续追求和积累世俗的成功，但同时要质疑自己内心的真正意图。你是在为了弥补内心的空洞而不断积累，还是因为你想创造丰功伟绩，看看自己能走多远，释放自身的天赋，并让世界变得更美好呢？

It's almost like when you see someone that has outlier results in life, whether that be with success or failure, you know, the person who is permanently chasing gambling losses, always in and out of jail or the other end of the spectrum, the person that's got accolades and is adored by millions and lots and lots of money. There is something non typical about that person's makeup that's made them get to that particular place their composition has made their production very non typical and you have to ask yourself the question, well, do I want that like what is the price that you have to pay to be that person, what's the price that you have to be to be the gambling addict criminal kind of plane.

这就像你看到某些人在生活中有与众不同的结果，不论是成功还是失败。比如，一直在追逐赌债，总是进出监狱的人，或者在另一端，受到无数人赞誉、有很多成就和财富的人。他们的特质似乎有些不同寻常，让他们达到这样的境地。他们的特质造就了非常不凡的结果。那么，你需要问自己，我是否想要那样的生活？成为这样一个人需要付出怎样的代价？成为一个沉迷赌博和犯罪的人需要付出怎样的代价？

No one looks at that, but nobody have a question. Okay, and what is it that's driving the person that went to the opposite end of the spectrum as well. I call that the upsides of your downsides. What I mean by that is our curses are blessings and our blessings are curses. So a lot of these super rich tycoons, their perfectionists, nothing's ever enough. They're selfish. The etc etc, but they wouldn't be who they are but for these curses. So what's often unhealthy, let's say in our personal lives and in personal relationships often serves people very well in business.

没有人关注这一点，但也没有人提出问题。好吧，那么是什么推动了走向另一个极端的人呢？我称之为你缺点的优点。我的意思是，我们的诅咒是祝福，而我们的祝福是诅咒。所以很多超级富有的巨头，他们是完美主义者，总是觉得不够。他们自私，等等等等，但是如果没有这些“诅咒”，他们也成不了真正的自己。在个人生活和人际关系中通常被视为不健康的行为，往往在商业中能带来很好的效果。

So I think what's the solution that that's why I've created this eight forms of wealth model. I've been teaching to my clients for 15 years with really strong results. Money is one of the eight forms of wealth, but the first formal wealth. Most people don't think about it. Personal growth, the first form of wealth I call it growth. You wouldn't think that someone who each day is meditating and journaling, healing through insecurity, becoming wiser, stronger, more disciplined, more loving has a currency worth celebrating, but that is absolutely a form of richness that's worth noticing.

所以，我认为该怎么解决这个问题呢？这就是为什么我创建了这个八种财富模型。我已经教我的客户有15年了，并且效果非常显著。金钱是这八种财富之一，但是第一种财富并不是多数人会想到的。个人成长是我称之为成长的第一种财富。也许你不会觉得一个每天冥想、写日记、克服不安全感、变得更智慧、更坚强、更有纪律、更有爱心的人拥有一种值得庆祝的“货币”，但这绝对是一种值得注意的财富。

I mean if we are each day incrementally, steadily, materializing more of our primal genius, what's a greater, I think that's worth more than all the money in the bank. Even if no one knows about it. What do you think most people get wrong when it comes to thinking about their own personal growth? I think a lot of people think that they will develop themselves once they're successful in the world without realizing that your income and impact always reflects your self identity. Your relationship in the world is a reflection of your relationship with yourself.

我的意思是，如果我们每天都在逐渐并稳步地展现我们的原始天赋，这种价值会超过银行里所有的钱，即使没有人知道这件事。你觉得大多数人在考虑个人成长时搞错了什么？我认为很多人错误地认为他们会在事业成功后再发展自己，而没有意识到你的收入和影响力总是反映着你的自我认同。你与这个世界的关系是你与自己关系的反映。

One of my clients, he said he had his best year financially when he spent four hours every morning on his morning routine. Your relationship with your family, your relationship with your neighbors, your relationship with strangers, your relationship with your money, your relationship with your craft, your relationship with the world. It all reflects your relationship with yourself. There is where the, I'm channeling Mahatma Gandhi, he said, you know, the real devils live inside of us, that's where the work is to be done.

我的一个客户说，当他每天早上花四个小时进行晨间例行时，他的经济状况达到了一年中最好。你与家人、邻居、陌生人、金钱、工作的关系，乃至你与整个世界的关系，都折射出你与自己关系的状态。正如圣雄甘地所说，我们心中的“魔鬼”才是真正的敌人，我们需要在那里下功夫。

So I think our society has caused us to forget that the doorway to success opens inward, not outward. And if we develop what I call the four interior empires, everyone talks about mindset, mindset's important. I don't think that's everything as Mindy Punditsa, and I say that with a lot of respect. I believe our mindset is our psychology, but there's also the second interior empire, which I call hard set, our emotionality. Emotionalized. And then there's our health set, which is our physicality and our soul set, which is our spirituality.

我认为我们的社会让我们忘记了，通往成功的大门是向内开启的，而不是向外。我们需要发展我所称的"四大内在帝国"。许多人谈论心态，心态固然重要，但我不认为这就是全部，正如Mindy Punditsa所说的，我对此表示非常尊重。我相信心态代表我们的心理，但还有第二个内在帝国，我称之为"情感力"，即我们的情感状态。然后是"健康力"，即我们的身体状态，以及"灵魂力"，即我们的精神状态。

And all four of those are important. And someone, I know a lot of business builders and entrepreneurs will follow you from across the planet Chris. They might be saying, how is soul set relevant to me? Soul set is not mystical. It's not religious. Soul set is simply your relationship with your higher or heroic self versus your ego excel. Your heroic self is the true part of you that you were intimate with before the world taught you to disbelieve in who you truly are.

这四个方面都很重要。我认识很多来自全球各地的创业者和商业建设者，他们会关注你，Chris。他们可能会问，灵魂状态对我有什么意义？灵魂状态并不是神秘的，也不是宗教的。灵魂状态只是你与更高的自我或英雄自我的关系，而不是仅仅追求自我的成功。你的英雄自我是真实的自我，是在这个世界教会你怀疑你自己之前，你所深入了解的那个真正的自己。

Your heroic self is good. It's brave. It's resilient. It's natural. It's loving. It's decent. It's generous. And as we go through life, where we get hurt and we forget who we truly are and we start to contract and feel the world is an unsafe place. So as we work on our four interior empires, we go out there in the world and we have this bravery and this true power versus fake power that creates all the outer outer results. Well, ultimately, presumably what people are trying to do when they achieve worldly success is give themselves a good enough reason to be happy and satisfied and peaceful.

你的英雄自我很好。它勇敢、坚韧、纯真、充满爱心、正直和慷慨。随着我们生活的推进，我们会受到伤害，忘记自己真正是谁，开始收缩，觉得世界是不安全的。因此，当我们努力发展自身的四大内在领域时，我们就会在外面的世界中展现出这种勇气和真正的力量，而不是伪装的力量，进而创造出各种外在的成果。最终，人们在追求世俗成功时，可能希望通过达到这样的成就，让自己有充足的理由感到幸福、满足和安宁。

So if you can shortcut it and actually get to the root of the problem, which is the inner work, this is something I'm hugely working on myself at the moment and thinking, is there a, is there a quicker route to the outcome that I want the way that I feel now all it is is vibes and values, right? So just how are you feeling in the moment and I genuinely believe that yeah, focusing inward is probably a good place to start.

所以，如果你能走捷径，直接到达问题的根源，也就是内在的工作，这正是我目前非常努力在做的。我在思考，有没有更快的方法达到我想要的结果？我现在对所有事情的感觉就是靠直觉和价值观，所以最重要的是你此刻的感受。我真的相信，专注于内心可能是一个很好的起点。

You've got this idea about not becoming a resentment collector. What's that? That's in the first form of wealth of the book. The first form of wealth is growth and the chapter you're right. Don't be a resentment collector. How many of us go through life and we get hurt and rather than processing through it and metabolizing it and releasing it, we don't forgive the people who have hurt us in business or in our personal lives. And metaphorically speaking, it's almost as if we carry are carrying those people with us on our back and affects our creativity, affects our productivity, affects our energy, creates inflammation, affects our longevity.

你提到不积攒怨恨的想法。那是什么意思？这是书中提到的第一种财富。第一种财富是成长，而你所说的那一章正是关于不要做怨恨的收藏者。我们中有多少人在生活中受到伤害后，不是积极地去处理、消化并释放这些情绪，而是无法原谅那些在工作或个人生活中伤害我们的人。比喻来说，这就像是我们把这些人背在身上，影响了我们的创造力、生产力和精力，引发炎症，甚至影响我们的寿命。

So don't be a resentment collector is basically understanding them. Everyone who hurt you did the best they could do based on the level of consciousness they were at. And as Maya Angelou, the great American poet said, if they knew better, they would have done better. It's also remembering that the people who hurt you are the very people who would introduce you to your strengths and your creativity. I mean, I was once on an airplane sitting next to a painter and he said, I pick relationship partners who break my heart.

所以，不要成为一个满怀怨恨的人，这其实是对他人的一种理解。每一个伤害过你的人，都是在他们当时的意识水平内，已经尽力而为地做了他们能做的事情。正如美国伟大的诗人玛雅·安吉罗所说，如果他们知道更好的做法，他们就会做得更好。还要记住，那些伤害你的人，正是那些让你发现自己的力量和创造力的人。比如，有一次我在飞机上遇到一位画家，他说：“我选择那些会让我心碎的人作为伴侣。”

And I said, why would you do that? He said, well, when I'm suffering, I do my best work. And so just I think we should remember that pain is a purifier and difficulty. That day for the ego is a great day for the soul. Difficult to actually serves our rise incredibly well, not just by making us kinder and gentler and wiser. I found the tragedies in my life caused me to help my craft enormously. So don't be a resentment collector. Go through life, let go of the piece.

我说：“你为什么要那样做？”他说：“嗯，当我痛苦的时候，我能做到最好。”所以我认为我们应该记住，痛苦是一种净化，困难对灵魂来说是一种磨炼。实际上，困难能在很多方面帮助我们的成长，不仅仅是让我们变得更善良、更柔和、更智慧。我发现生活中的不幸让我在技能上有了巨大的进步。所以，不要成为怨恨的收集者。生活中要学会放下。

Don't and don't suffer from toxic optimism. It doesn't mean that if someone hurts you, betrays you, you don't process through the anger or sadness. Do that part of it, but then a time will come where you need to let that person go because our past is not a prison to be chained in. Our past is a school to be learned from. Let's exploit the past for the sake of a more beautiful, brighter future.

不要，也不要沉迷于有害的乐观主义。这并不意味着如果有人伤害或背叛了你，你就不能经历愤怒或悲伤。你可以经历那些情绪，但总有一天你需要放下那个人，因为我们的过去不是束缚自己的牢笼，而是让我们学习的学校。让我们利用过去，为了一个更美好、更光明的未来。

Why is deep growth meant to feel weird? Well, one of my brain tattoos is all changes, hard at first, messing the middle, gorgeous at the end. And if change, whether it was joining 5am club, launching a new business, finding the love of your life, starting a new spiritual enterprise, if it was easy at the beginning, it wouldn't be valuable change. So any form of change causes you to almost experience a little death, Chris. I think a great life is a series of little deaths.

为什么深度成长会让人感到奇怪呢？我的一个理念是，所有的改变在开始时都很困难，在过程中会一团糟，但最后会变得美好。如果改变是指加入早上五点俱乐部、启动一个新事业、找到生命中的挚爱或是开始一项新的精神追求，那么如果一开始就很容易，那就不会是有价值的改变。所以任何形式的改变都会让你经历一种"小小的死亡"。我认为，美好的人生就是由一系列这样的"小死亡"组成的。

Why do I say a little death? Because who you were yesterday must experience a crucifixion for the best part of you tomorrow to experience a resurrection. So whether it's a new habit, personally, whether it's a new business innovation, whether it's a new way of operating out in the world, you need to who you were yesterday needs to die, so the better part of you can emerge. But I believe hard is easy and easy as hard.

为什么我称之为“小小的死亡”？因为昨天的自己必须经历一个十字架的考验，这样明天的更优秀的那一部分才能重生。不论是个人成长中的新习惯，还是商业上的新创新，或是处理世界事务的新方式，昨天的那个自己都需要“死去”，以便让更好的那一部分得以展现。但我相信，所谓艰难其实简单，而所谓简单其实艰难。

I think it's a great principle to live by. Our society has said to us, choose the easy life, read the easy books, watch the easy videos, have the easy conversations, watch the easy business, take the easy workout. It's when we do difficult things that we grow the first form of well. But if you do those difficult things, have the difficult conversation, read the difficult books, do the difficult workout, launch the difficult project and stay with it until you've pushed your project ex out in the world, you end up having a much easier life.

我认为这是一个很好的生活原则。我们的社会总是告诉我们要选择轻松的生活，读简单的书，看简单的视频，有简单的对话，做轻松的工作，进行简单的锻炼。然而，只有在我们面对困难的时候，我们才能真正成长。但如果你选择那些困难的事情，比如进行艰难的对话，阅读有挑战性的书籍，做高强度的锻炼，启动困难的项目并坚持到底，直到你的项目成功推向世界，你最终将拥有更轻松的生活。

But also a strange one because it's so non-typical and it's going to be increasingly hard for you to find other people that are doing that as well. It's the same as we said at the very beginning, someone that has outlier outcomes has had outlier inputs and it means that it's going to be more difficult for them to resonate and find someone that is like them. I also think when it comes to personal growth, there is a risk of this never being done mentality, this sort of never being good enough. And I think that you think about this too with not letting self-care ruining yourself worth.

但这也是个奇特的状况，因为它非常非典型，你会越来越难找到其他做同样事情的人。正如我们一开始所说，那些有非凡结果的人也经历了与众不同的过程，这意味着他们会更难找到和自己相似的人。我还认为，在个人成长方面，有一种永远不满足的风险，总觉得自己不够好。我想你也会考虑到这一点，不要让自我照顾损害到自我价值。

Yes, I think it's like a lot of things in this world, things have gone extreme. So that chapter, I mean hard work is a dirty word right now. You know, there's a mastery is getting a bad rap right now. So I think self-care may be going to an extreme. I believe balance, Aristotle called it the golden mean and I think it's a very wise way to live. I believe I'm not a subscriber to the hustle and grind culture at all. I've been writing about rest as a necessity, not a luxury for many years.

是的，我觉得就像世界上的很多事情一样，现在事情都变得极端了。关于这一点，我的意思是，如今"努力工作"似乎成了一个不受欢迎的词。现在"精通某项技能"也被贬低了。所以我觉得自我关爱可能过于极端。我相信平衡，亚里士多德称之为"中庸之道"，我认为这是一个非常明智的生活方式。我不赞同所谓的拼搏文化。多年来，我一直在写作强调休息是一种必要，而不是奢侈。

Having said that too much rest is just as out of balance as too much hustle and grind. And so I really believe that self-care is incredibly important, but I don't think it should come at the expense of creating something beautiful in the world. Pushing your Taj Mahal, your Sistine Chapel ceiling, that takes work, it takes drive, it takes bravery and that's just as important as taking time to put on your mud mask and meditate at 5 a.m. in the morning. Nothing against mud mask, but both are both of those things are important.

话虽如此，过度的休息和过度的努力工作一样都不平衡。因此，我非常相信自我关怀是极其重要的，但我认为它不应该以牺牲在这个世界上创造美好的事物为代价。打造你心目中的泰姬陵或西斯廷教堂天顶画需要努力、需要动力和勇气，这与早晨5点敷上泥面膜和冥想一样重要。没有什么反对泥面膜的意思，但这两样都是重要的。

Speaking of that, obviously you've spent a lot of time deconstructing morning routines coming up with wellness practices. What are the most impactful strategies that you find yourself relying on the most when it comes to a wellness perspective? Great question, MVP, incredibly powerful. MVP as you know in sports. I think you used to be a cricket player early on when you were in the UK. And so you know what an MVP is, an MVP is the most valuable player.

说到这一点，显然你花了很多时间去分析晨间习惯并制定健康实践。从健康的角度来看，你发现自己最常依赖的最有影响力的策略是什么？这个问题问得很好，MVP，这个非常强大。就像你在运动中知道的那样，MVP是指最有价值球员。我想你以前在英国的时候曾是板球运动员，所以你知道MVP是什么意思。

Well, in my methodology, MVP is meditation visualization and prayer. For years, I wrote a book, the 5 a.m. club, 5 a.m. was the time I'd wake up and I created that 2020 formula that I wrote about. These days for the past eight or nine months, I'll begin at about 4 a.m. And I opened my window and I listened to the roosters grow in this old farmhouse I live in in Tuscany. I listened to the dogs bark and I do 45 minutes of MVP. I meditate, I visualize and I pray.

好的，在我的方法论中，MVP代表冥想、可视化和祈祷。多年来，我写了一本书《早晨5点俱乐部》，5点是我每天醒来的时间，我创造了那个2020公式并在书中提到。而现在，在过去的八九个月里，我通常在早上4点左右开始。我打开窗户，倾听我住在托斯卡纳这个老农舍里，听公鸡鸣叫，听狗叫，然后我进行45分钟的MVP。我冥想、可视化和祈祷。

And all I can tell you and I say this with a lot of sincerity for you, Chris, and all your million of the followers and watchers from around the world. We're all looking for ways to become more truly powerful. We're all looking for ways to do beautiful work. We're all looking for ways to move through insecurity. We're all looking for ways to become wiser in this world of poly crisis and to be more loving people. MVP, 45 minutes of meditation, visualization, prayer. Every morning or even five days a week is so incredibly powerful to reprogram your mindset, hearts, health, health, and soul set. So that's a very powerful way to do it.

我想非常真诚地告诉你，克里斯，以及全世界你无数的粉丝和观众：我们都在寻找变得更加强大、做出美好工作的途径；我们都在寻找克服不安的办法；我们都在寻找在这个充满多重危机的世界中变得更有智慧、更富有爱心的方法。每天早上，或者每周五天，进行45分钟的冥想、可视化、祈祷，是一种极其有效的方法，可以重新塑造你的思维、心灵、健康和精神状态。这是一种非常强大的方式。

Second question, part of my morning routine is journaling. We hear a lot about journaling. I'd love to offer you five journal prompts that are helpful for me. Number one, what am I grateful for? We know gratitude is the antidote to fear. We know from the work of positive psychologists like Sonia Luba-Mersi, the happiest people in the world practice deliberate gratitude, not once a year on New Year's Day, because what you do each day is so much more important than what you do once a year.

第二个问题，我每天早上的例行活动之一是写日记。我们经常听到关于写日记的好处。我想跟你分享五个对我很有帮助的日记提示。第一个是：我感恩什么？我们知道，感恩是对抗恐惧的解药。根据像索尼娅·柳博米尔斯基这样的积极心理学家的研究，世界上最幸福的人每天都有意识地练习感恩，而不是一年一次在新年那天才想起去感恩，因为你每天做的事情比一年做一次的事情重要得多。

So ask myself what I'm grateful for. That reprograms the human brains tendency towards a negativity bias that served us well thousands of years ago. The negativity bias causes us to scanner environment today and look for threats. But gratitude causes us to look for the blessings. Second journal prompt is where am I winning? So if you could notice the micro winds every day that will fuel your hope, it will protect your inspiration and it will give you energy.

所以我问自己，我感激什么。这可以重新调整人脑的负面偏向，这种偏向在几千年前对我们很有帮助。负面偏向让我们现在总是去扫描环境，寻找威胁。而感恩则让我们去寻找生活中的恩惠。第二个写作提示是：我在哪些方面取得了进展？如果你能够注意到每天的小进展，它将为你的希望提供燃料，保护你的灵感，并给你带来能量。

Third question, powerful one. What will I let go of today? You don't want to be a resentment collector. So asking yourself today, like three or four lines, what will I let go of today? Oh, this person heard me. Oh, I'm frustrated that this person doesn't get my vision. Oh, I will let go of what you said. Not feeling like I'm enough. You start to process through and metabolize that and you release a little bit of the resentment or frustration that you're holding.

第三个问题，非常重要的问题。今天我会放下什么？你不想成为一个积攒怨恨的人。所以今天问问自己，用三四句话，今天我会放下什么？哦，这个人伤害了我。哦，我对这个人不理解我的想法感到沮丧。哦，我会放下你所说的那些，让我觉得自己不够好的话。开始去消化和处理它们，你会释放出一些心中积压的怨恨或沮丧。

Fourth question, what does my ideal day ahead look like? One paragraph. Clarity breeds mastery. One paragraph on what your ideal day looks like. It gives you so much more focus than being reactive and chasing your day. Fifth and final journal prompt question. Based on the importance of remembering the shortness of life. I mean, the fact of matter is you and I no matter how long we get to live before we know it, we will be dust. And I won't matter very much. I will be a bunch of dust on a earn above a fireplace next to some little league trophies and maybe a few pictures.

第四个问题，我理想的一天是怎样的？一个段落。清晰带来掌握。用一个段落描述你的理想日子。这比被动地应对和追赶一天更能让你专注。第五个也是最后一个日记提示问题。基于记住生命短暂的重要性。事实是，无论我们能活多久，最终都会化为尘土。我将不再重要，只会是壁炉上奖杯和几张照片旁边一个骨灰盒里的灰烬。

And so asking yourself this final journal prompt every single morning. What needs to be said at the end? By the people you love, by the people you care about, you fast forward to your last day. Right? One paragraph. What that's going to do is going to allow you to live to the point, focus on your priorities and actually not to hold back. Because if you knew you only had seven days or 30 days left to live, you wouldn't care about rejection and you wouldn't be busy being busy, you'd get what's most important done.

所以，每天早上问自己这个最后的日记提示：“在最后时刻需要说些什么？”这可能是你爱的人、你关心的人会对你说的话。想象一下你生命的最后一天。对吧？用一段话来表达。这会帮助你活得有目标，专注于优先事项，真正不再犹豫不决。因为如果你知道自己只剩下七天或三十天可活，你就不会再在意被拒绝，也不会忙于琐事。你会把最重要的事情完成。

Can you just go back through your meditation, visualization and prayer process. Someone that maybe hasn't spent a ton of time on visualization or prayer. What does that look like for you? Is this a guided practice? Is there an app that you use? Is there a book that you've learned from? Sure. When I meditate, so 45 minutes, 4 o'clock to 445, do whatever you want. 45 minutes, 20 minutes might be the meditation. The meditation I often focus on my breathing. It might be inhale peace, exhale fear. Inhale generosity, exhale scarcity. Inhale humility, exhale whatever.

可以把你的冥想、想象和祈祷的过程再讲一遍吗？如果是一个对想象或祈祷没有太多经验的人，这过程对你来说是什么样的？是有指导过程的吗？你用什么应用程序吗？你从哪本书学到的吗？当然可以。当我冥想时，比如从早上4点到4点45分，总共45分钟，随你怎么安排。其中20分钟可能是冥想。我经常专注于自己的呼吸，比如吸入平和，呼出恐惧；吸入慷慨，呼出匮乏；吸入谦逊，呼出其他情绪。

That'd be one way. Second thing, it might be a body scan. So mindset is not everything. Mindset without heart set is an empty victory. Heart set is your emotional life. So 20 minutes of your meditation could be you scan your body and notice and you build fluency the more you do it, like any practice. So I might scan my body and Chris, I might notice there's attention in my solar plexus which for me would be fear. I'm on this big book tour. I have this new book that's come out. A lot of expectations on my shoulder. It's about a year of my life on a devotion almost boarding on an obsession to try to get it right.

这是一种方法。其次，还有可能是进行身体扫描。所以仅仅有心态是不够的。没有情感的心态就像是空洞的胜利。情感是你的情感生活。因此，你可以花20分钟进行冥想，扫描身体并进行观察，就像任何练习一样，你做得越多越熟练。比如说，我可能会扫描自己的身体，注意到我的太阳神经丛有紧张感，这对我来说意味着恐惧。我正在进行一次大型的新书巡回活动，这本新书刚刚出版，肩上承载着很多期待。这几乎是一年时间的全心投入，几乎像是一种为做到完美的执念。

Now I'm finding what people think. So maybe if there's a contraction here, I notice, okay, that's a little bit of fear about what's going on in my life. By breathing into it, you release it by acknowledging when you take a shadow and bring it into the sunlight, it starts to dissolve. Carl Jung, the great eminent psychologist called it your dark side. We all have a dark side by bringing light to it by awareness. We start to move through that suppressed emotion and then part of my visualization then after the meditation, the visualization. I have this concept.

现在我在了解人们的想法。如果我发现内心有些紧张，我会注意到，这可能是对生活中某些事情的恐惧。通过深呼吸，你可以在意识到这些情绪时释放它们。就像把阴影带到阳光下，它会开始消散。著名心理学家卡尔·荣格称之为"你的黑暗面"。我们每个人都有黑暗面，通过用意识的光照亮它，我们开始处理那些被压抑的情绪。我的想法是，在冥想后的可视化过程中，我有这个概念。

You're four beautiful projects. Every quarter set four beautiful projects. So for a few minutes, I'll see myself on my four beautiful projects as if they were done beautifully, everything working out well and I'll just spend time in that future image. And then prayer, I pray for my family, I pray for strength, I pray for my 87 year old father, my mother, I pray for the world, I pray to be a humble servant as much as possible. So I just pray and if you don't believe in a religious prayer, absolutely find them practice scientific prayer and you can go to the science and see the power of visualization and the power of prayer.

你有四个美好的计划。每季制定四个美好的计划。所以在短短几分钟内，我会想象自己这些计划已经完美完成的样子，一切都顺利无比，我会花时间在这样的未来画面中。然后是祈祷，我为我的家人祈祷，为力量祈祷，为我87岁的父亲和母亲祈祷，为整个世界祈祷，我祈祷自己能尽可能地成为一个谦卑的服务者。所以我祈祷，如果你不相信宗教祈祷，完全可以尝试科学祈祷方法，可以研究科学，了解可视化和祈祷的力量。

So MVP really works extraordinarily well. What is O-mad? That was another acronym that I wasn't familiar with before I read your book. O-mad, one meal a day. So what I encourage, this is the second form of wealth, which is wellness. Come on, we have, we have to, this world has programmed us into measuring wealth by how much money is in the bank or stock portfolio or our portfolio of houses and real estate.

所以MVP确实非常有效。那么O-mad是什么？这是另一个我在读你的书之前不熟悉的缩写。O-mad指的是每天一餐。这是我所提倡的第二种财富形式，即健康。拜托，这个世界让我们习惯于通过银行里的钱、股票组合或者房产投资来衡量财富。

Yet in one wisdom tradition, they say, when we are young, we would sacrifice all of our health for wealth and when we get old and figure out what life is all about. We'd sacrifice all of our wealth for one day of health. I was in Qatar once and someone handed me a piece of paper and it said, help is the crown on the well person's head that only the ill person can see. So that second form of wealth is so precious and it's wellness.

在某个智慧传统中，据说，当我们年轻时，会为了财富牺牲掉所有的健康；而当我们年老并领悟生活的真谛时，又愿意为了换回一天的健康舍弃所有的财富。有一次我在卡塔尔，有人递给我一张纸，上面写着：“健康是戴在健康人头上的皇冠，只有生病的人才能看到。”因此，健康这种财富非常珍贵。

So what is O-mad? Well that's a chapter where I talk about the power of fasting, the power of autophagy. We know from science the, the mystics have fasted for years. In Sardartha one of my favorite books he said, you know, the person who can fast cannot be beaten. So we don't have to fast every day. There's good science talking about caloric restriction and putting yourself into the state of autophagy, which is cellular cleaning.

那么，什么是O-mad呢？在这章里，我谈到禁食的力量，以及细胞自噬的益处。从科学上我们了解到，很多神秘学者多年来都在禁食。在我最喜欢的书之一《悉达多》中提到，会禁食的人是不可战胜的。不过，我们不需要每天都禁食。有一些科学研究表明，限制卡路里摄入并让自己进入自噬状态，对于细胞的清理非常有益。

In that chapter I'm recommending O-mad, one meal a day, once a week and take the money you would have spent on the other two meals and go out there and give it to someone who needs some food. So you benefit physically and the person need benefits as well. Yeah, it's fasting appears to be going in and out of fashion very quickly at the moment. It was and then it wasn't and I feel like it's coming back in again. So yeah, I have to say I feel fantastic when I do fast mentally, mostly physically. I don't want to try and lift something too heavy if I'm on a one meal a day day, but if it's a time when I need to be dialed in mentally it is something that really, really helps.

在那一章中，我建议每周选择一天只吃一顿饭，并将省下来的两顿饭钱捐给那些需要食物的人。这样一来，你不仅能受益于这种饮食方式，其他需要帮助的人也能得到实惠。现在禁食非常流行，它的受欢迎程度起伏不定，似乎曾经很流行，然后又不流行了，而我觉得现在又再次流行了。每当我进行禁食时，我的精神状态特别好，身体上也感觉不错。不过，在只吃一顿饭的那一天，我不想尝试搬动太重的东西，但如果我需要保持头脑清醒，这种方法确实能帮助到我。

Talking about family again, one of the problems I imagine of the high performers that you deal with is the sacrifices they've had to make personally to achieve the successes that they've wanted professionally. What have you learned about choosing, developing and maintaining a healthy relationship with your significant other? The first thing I would say is red flag is a red flag and if you think it's a green flag you might spend 20 years of your life dealing with the mess.

再次谈到家庭，我想你所接触的那些高成就人士面临的一个问题就是，他们为了在事业上获得成功，需要在个人生活中做出很多牺牲。你对于如何选择、发展和维持一段健康的亲密关系有什么心得？我首先要说的是，红旗就是红旗，如果你把它当成绿旗，你可能会花上20年的时间来处理这段关系中的问题。

What do you mean by that? Well, how many of us have entered into a relationship where we saw the red flags right at the beginning? Intimately as well as in business. They were right there, but we're nice people and we hope for the best. I think hoping for the best without paying attention to reality is a recipe for misery and I didn't mean that to ride, but I think it's true. So when a red flag shows itself in a relationship, pay attention to it and wish that person well, love them from afar. But remember, one of the chapters in the Walt Money campaign, your choice of mate is 90% of your joy.

你这是什么意思呢？其实，我们中有多少人在开始一段关系时就看到了明显的警示信号？这不光是亲密关系，商业合作也是如此。这些信号就在那里，但我们总想做个好人，希望事情会向好的方向发展。我认为，不注意现实却盲目期待美好，往往会导致痛苦。我不是想唱高调，但我确实觉得这是事实。所以，当在关系中看到警示信号时，要留意并祝福对方，从远处去爱他们。但请记住，在沃尔特·曼尼的活动中有一章提到，你的伴侣选择决定了你90%的快乐。

And I think that is so true. And when our home life is doing well and stable and peaceful and we're not full of drama, watch what happens to you. You know this, watch what happens to your mental focus, your creativity, your productivity, your relationships at work. So I would say red flag is a red flag, don't think it's green. I'd say your choice of mate is 90% of your joy. And then one of the chapters is asked the 10,000 dinners question. I know you're from the UK.

我认为这确实很正确。当我们的家庭生活顺利、稳定、和平，没有充满戏剧化时，看看你会有什么变化。你也知道，看看你的精神集中力、创造力、工作效率以及工作中的人际关系会发生什么变化。所以我认为，红旗就是红旗，不要误以为是绿灯。我会说，选择伴侣决定了你90%的快乐。书中的一个章节提到了“1万顿晚餐的问题”。我知道你来自英国。

And Ayesha Vardeg is the UK, one of the UK's top divorce lawyers. She represents a lot of the footballers and movie stars and multi billionaires. And she was asked in the financial times, Chris, you know, you'd seen a lot of relationships fall apart. What are your relationship lessons for a good relationship? And number one, she said separate bedrooms seems to work very well. And the second thing she said was, second thing she said was, 10,000 dinners.

艾莎·瓦尔德格是英国顶级离婚律师之一。她为许多足球运动员、电影明星和亿万富翁提供法律服务。在《金融时报》上，她被问到，既然你见过很多关系破裂，你认为有什么维持良好关系的秘诀吗？她首先提到的是，分开卧室似乎非常有效。其次，她提到的第二个建议是，一万顿晚餐。

And the interviewer said 10,000 dinners. What do you mean by that? And she said, well, looks fade, less dissolve. But if you see yourself having 10,000 dinners with that person, hold them close and fight for the love because great love is hard to find. So what I'm saying there is find someone, I don't believe opposites attract. Why? I believe, well, you know, there's this, again, there are there's many ways to do this.

面试官问道：“一万顿晚餐，你是什么意思？”她回答说：“容貌会消逝，激情会消退。但如果你能想象和那个人共度一万顿晚餐，那就珍惜并为这份爱而努力，因为伟大的爱情难能可贵。”所以我想表达的是，要找到这样的人。我不相信异性相吸，为什么呢？我觉得，嗯，其实有很多方式可以实现这一点。

But in my experience, I find when someone has different values and is, and there's incompatibilities because they're opposite. And there's a lot of negotiating. Well, you've got to do what they want to do. And then you, right now, my life partner, L, we just love many so many of the same things. So a great evening for us is home chatting and reading. We see the world through a similar set of lenses.

根据我的经验，当某人与我有不同的价值观，而且这些差异是对立的时候，就会出现不兼容的情况，需要进行很多协商。通常情况下，你需要做对方想做的事情。而现在，我的生活伴侣L，我们有许多共同喜爱的事情。对我们来说，完美的夜晚就是在家聊天和阅读。我们以相似的视角看待这个世界。

There's very little drama. So there's not a lot of negotiating. We just love living life with one another. It doesn't mean it's perfect, but it's really, it's really very wonderful. So I don't think opposites attract and I would, you know, there's this idea, you know, universe is collide, find someone where universe is collide. I'd rather have universes collide in the most serene, stable loving, loving, loving way. You know, that's how that's how I'd like universes collide.

这里几乎没有什么戏剧性冲突，所以也不需要太多的讨价还价。我们只是享受彼此的生活。这并不意味着一切都是完美的，但确实非常美好。所以我不认为“异性相吸”这个说法是对的。我更倾向于寻找一个人，让我们的世界在宁静、稳定和充满爱的方式中相遇，而不是以冲突的方式。这就是我希望我们的世界相遇的方式。

So I think find someone who sees the world the way you see the world and it creates a lot less drama. And you know, that brings me to another through line in the book, which is you can change the world or be around toxic people, but you don't get to do both. And I want to go to some science here from Nicholas Christakis at Harvard University.

所以我认为，找到一个和你看世界方式相同的人会减少很多麻烦。同时，这也让我想到了书中的另一个主题：你可以选择改变世界或者与消极、有害的人相处，但你不能同时做到这两者。我想引用一下哈佛大学尼古拉斯·克里斯塔基斯的科学研究。

And what he's realized is we are influenced not only by our friends, but by the friends of our friends and the friends of our friends is friends. And we could get into the science on that. It's mirror neurons would cause us to mimic the people around us and emotional contagion, which is the phenomenon where subconsciously we adopt the dominant emotions of the people we spend most of our time with. And so if we allow energy vampires and dreams, dealers into our days, into our companies, into our home lives, over time it dramatically degrades our creativity or productivity or happiness and our serenity.

他意识到，我们不仅受到朋友的影响，还会受到朋友的朋友，以及朋友的朋友的朋友的影响。对此现象，我们可以从科学的角度去了解：镜像神经元会导致我们模仿周围的人，而情感传染则是一种现象，我们会在潜意识中接受与自己相处最多的人的主导情绪。因此，如果我们允许消耗能量的人和偷梦贼进入我们的生活、工作和家庭，随着时间的推移，它会大幅降低我们的创造力、生产力、幸福感和内心的平静。

So doing an energy vampire detox, let's call it is really extraordinarily powerful. And I always see people say, well, you know, that person is my mother or whoever, I would say well, then practice selective association, maybe don't text them three times a day, do it once a week. But in some cases, maybe it's a personal relationship, maybe it's a friend, you talked about it. If you're on a path of growth, very few people are in a path of growth. Friends who are your friends a few years ago might not vibe with you anymore. They might be bringing you down. You've got to let them go or you could let them go. I would say love them from afar.

进行一次“能量吸血鬼”排毒，实在是非常有效。我经常听到人们说，“那个人是我的妈妈”或者其他重要的人。对此，我会建议进行选择性交往，比如不要每天给他们发三次短信，而是每周发一次。在有些情况下，比如个人关系或者朋友，如果你正在成长的道路上，很少有人能跟上你的步伐。几年前的朋友可能已经不再适合你，他们可能在拖累你。这时，你需要放手，或者说，可以选择放手。我会建议：从远处关爱他们。

Yeah, it's difficult with the family thing. I guess I'm maybe in some ways I'm blessed. I'm an only child and I've got mom and dad. So for me, the number of dice rolls that could have potentially thrown up a grenade in my life, I only had two. As long as mom and dad were great, which they were and are, I don't have that. But I understand that for people with bigger families, you know, you've got five brothers and sisters and a ton of close aunties and uncles and, you know, Uncle Jim is always causing havoc and it's a nightmare at Christmas and it's a nightmare at Thanksgiving and you always need there's phone calls and there's police calls and all the rest of it.

是的，和家庭相处有时确实很困难。我觉得在某些方面我算是幸运。我是独生子女，只需要面对爸爸妈妈。所以在我生活中可能出现麻烦的机会只有两次。只要爸爸妈妈没问题，而他们确实都是很好的，我就不用担心。但是我理解那些有大家庭的人，你知道的，有五个兄弟姐妹，还有一大堆亲近的姑姑、叔叔，总有个叔叔吉姆在搞破坏，圣诞节和感恩节都是噩梦，总是有电话和警察介入等等。

That's tough. You know, I in some ways wish that family was a bigger part of my life. But in other ways, I can see how it can be a total curse as well as a blessing for people. I totally agree with you. One thing, I mean, my father is going to be 87 in a few weeks and as I put more years under my belt, you know, I do realize how powerful family is. And yeah, your parent, I've got great parents. You realize your parents and your family does their best. And I think it brings you an absolutely great source of joy. And that's why it's the third form of wealth.

这很难。你知道吗，在某些方面，我希望家庭在我的生活中占据更重要的位置。但在其他方面，我也能看到家庭对一些人来说既可以是完全的诅咒，也可以是祝福。我完全同意你的看法。有一件事，我的父亲再过几周就87岁了，随着岁月的流逝，我逐渐意识到家庭的力量。有好的父母让我明白，他们和家庭总是尽力而为。我认为家庭带来了巨大的快乐来源，这也是为什么它被称为第三种财富。

And if it's not family, it's friends. You know, we live in a world right now where we chase 20,000 digital friends, but I believe if you have three great friends, you're a very rich person indeed, three friends where when you see them after a few years, you start on the last sentence after you saw them last time, three friends where you can be yourself and they still love you three friends where you're down on your knees and they're there for you. Three friends where you're in trouble in a foreign country and you call them at 3 a.m. and they say, hey, hang on for a second, Chris, I'm going to be on the next plane. You know, that's a currency, I think that money can't buy.

如果不是家人，那就是朋友。在当今的世界里，我们追求成千上万的“数字朋友”，但我相信，如果你有三个真正的好朋友，你已经是一个非常富有的人了。这三个朋友是那种几年不见，再见面时能够接着上次离别时的那句未完的话题聊下去的人；是那种你可以做真实的自己，他们仍然爱你的人；是那种在你跌入谷底时，伸出援手帮助你的人；是那种你在异国他乡遇到麻烦，凌晨三点打电话给他们，他们会说：“等一下，我马上订机票”的人。我认为，这是一种金钱买不到的财富。

Talk to me about this confusion between attachment and love. Well, I just think there's I think there's a huge difference. I think attachment is born of fear. I think attachment is coming from a place where you don't love yourself enough so you can't be alone. Blaze Pascal said most, the French mathematicians said most of the human beings, miseries derived from their inability to sit quietly in a room with themselves. If you haven't done the inner work required to be comfortable in your own skin, then you're going to be attached to feeling you're like not only with relationship partners that make you feel better about yourself, but other drugs of choice, whether it's alcohol, whether it's digital toys, whether it's material things.

谈谈关于依恋和爱的混淆吧。我认为两者之间有很大的区别。我觉得依恋源于恐惧，它来自于你对自己不够爱的状态，所以你不能独处。法国数学家布莱兹·帕斯卡（Blaise Pascal）曾说，人类大多数的痛苦都来自于不能安静地独自待在一个房间里。如果你没有完成让自己感觉舒适的内在修行，那么你就会产生依恋，无论是对让你感觉更好的伴侣，还是对其他选择的“毒品”，不管是酒精、数码产品，还是物质东西。

So attachment, I believe, is coming from a place of fear. Love is very different. Love is not needy. Love is truly wanting the best for the other person. Love is secure. Love is stable. Love is grounding. One of the things that I think both of us have spent a good bit of time thinking about is craft and paying attention and doing things well and finding joy in the work for its own sake. And I think craft is kind of, it's definitely a missing word. Taste is another one I think that's missing from a lot of people's lexicon.

所以我相信，依恋是源于一种恐惧感。爱则完全不同。爱不是一种需求，而是真心希望对方好。爱是安全的，稳定的，并且让人踏实。我们两个都花了不少时间思考一个事情，那就是如何专注于技艺，关注细节，把事情做好，从工作本身中找到快乐。我认为“技艺”这个词在很多人的词汇中几乎消失了。“品味”也是另一个我觉得很多人忽视的词。

And the reason that craft is missing I think is work or the offering that you have to give to the world is seen as it's optimal to get it to the point at which you can get the transaction for it from the market or from the other person and no further. There is no reason to over deliver. There is no reason to take any more time than is required to deliver the minimum viable product to be able to get it to the market and ship it and make the money. Talk to me about how craft has sort of played a role in your life and how you advise it for other people.

手工艺之所以缺失，我认为是因为我们通常将工作或我们要提供给世界的产品视为达到交易所需的最优化程度即可，无需再多做。这意味着没有理由去超出交付要求，也不需要花费超过必要的时间来完成市场上最低可行产品，只需尽快将其推出并盈利即可。请和我聊聊手工艺在你的生活中扮演了怎样的角色，以及你如何建议他人看待手工艺。

Well, two words coming to my van go Vincent van go a great movie to watch I'm guessing you love film but please watch at attorney these gate with will em defoe and he's playing. Vincent van go and you'll see the troubles and the suffering Vincent van go went through and no one understood his art there's actually one scene in the movie where Vincent van go is in a sanus island. And the manager of the insane asylum has one of Vincent van goes drawings and shows it to him and says Vincent you actually think this is beautiful and Vincent van go looks at and goes yes I really think it is.

好吧，有两个词让我想起了梵高——文森特·梵高。这是一部很棒的电影，我猜你喜欢电影。请一定观看《永恒之门》，威廉·达福扮演文森特·梵高。在电影中，你会看到文森特·梵高所经历的困扰和痛苦，没有人理解他的艺术。实际上，电影中有一个场景是文森特·梵高在一家精神病院。精神病院的管理者拿着一幅梵高的画给他看，并问他：“文森特，你真的觉得这很美吗？”而梵高看了看，回答说：“是的，我真的认为它很美。”

And Vincent van Gogh only sold two paintings in his entire lifetime with his life in anonymity deep poverty and yet he pursued his craft not for the applause and the fame and the fortune but he did it because he wanted to push beauty in the world. So I have all sorts of thoughts on the fourth form of wealth of craft you know even if no one sees your work you're creating an app you're writing a book you're doing a screen play or you're launching a social social justice movement. Even if you do it not for the applause you get but for the person you're becoming in hot pursuit of what lights you up do it do it for doing hard difficult work creating what I call in the book your project X your Taj Mahal your great pyramid of Giza your Sistine chapel ceiling.

文森特·梵高在他的一生中只卖出了两幅画，他的生活在贫困和默默无闻中度过。然而，他追求艺术并不是为了掌声、名声或财富，而是因为他想把美带到这个世界。因此，我对工艺作为财富的第四种形式有各种各样的想法。即使没有人看到你的作品，无论你是在创建一个应用程序、写一本书、撰写剧本，或者发起一个社会正义运动，即使你的目标不是为了获得掌声，而是为了成为一个追求心中热情的人，去做吧，做那些艰难而有挑战性的工作，创造我在书中称之为你的"X项目"、你的泰姬陵、你的吉萨大金字塔、你的西斯廷教堂天顶壁画。

Don't only do it for the fame and fortune do it for what talents and strengths it introduces you. This is you to within you is it isn't that a priceless treasure on mastery. I would also say generosity beats scarcity every day of the week you're right you go to most get on most airplanes I've been on so many airplanes on this book tour can't believe the food they're serving you can't believe these are experience can't believe how many people are checked out. Generosity is a deep value generosity saying how many how may I deliver outrageous value to as many people as possible it's so rare but in your work in your mastery whether you're writing a book doing a podcast creating a business running a team ask yourself how may I distribute magic how may I push extraordinary quality.

不要仅仅为了名声和财富去做这件事，也要为了它带给你的才能和力量去做。这是你内心深处的表达，难道这种对掌握技艺的无价珍宝不值得追求吗？我还想说，慷慨总是胜过匮乏。在这次书籍巡回演讲中，我乘坐了很多次飞机，真的不敢相信他们提供的食物和服务质量，也不敢相信有这么多人无精打采。慷慨是一种深厚的价值观，就是要考虑如何为尽可能多的人提供超值的价值，这种做法非常罕见。但在你的工作和个人技艺中，无论是写书、做播客、创立企业还是管理团队，都问问自己，我该如何传播魔力，我该如何追求卓越的品质。

Out into the world and so many people what they do is they push minimum viable product out in the marketplace but I have this idea I call it the 10x value obsession give your customers 10 times the value they have any right to expect and that's a formula for building a global base of fanatical followers. And then another thing I if I made I'd say about mastery is genius love solitude there's a chapter which is find your personal golden eye we live in a world right now where we don't get in a flow state we don't do our best work because we are constantly in the world but you look at the great athletes they had practice rooms you look at the great scientists they all had labs you look at great artists they all had studios.

走向世界，许多人所做的就是在市场上推出最小可行产品，但我有一个想法，我称之为“10倍价值痴迷”，就是给顾客提供10倍于他们期望的价值，这是培养全球狂热追随者的秘诀。还有关于掌握技能的另一点，我想说的是，天才热爱孤独。有一个章节叫做“找到你个人的金色眼睛”。我们生活在一个不能进入心流状态、不做最好工作的世界，因为我们总是在与外界接触。但看看那些伟大的运动员，他们都有练习室；看看那些伟大的科学家，他们都有实验室；看看那些伟大的艺术家，他们都有画室。

Winston Churchill had checkers and chart well Andrew why it had chads forward Pennsylvania this bar and he would paint in and pushing main where he would retreat to from the world to create masterpieces. One of my favorite artists is Jama Shelbauskia he said all medicine men live in caves. And so that chapter find your own find your personal golden eye comes from in flaming created the James bond novel he found this cottage by the sea in Jamaica and he called it golden and he would get away there and he would retreat to do his most beautiful work and he was so monomaniacally focused on creating what I call a tight bubble of total focus free of distraction the gardeners when they would walk across his life.

温斯顿·丘吉尔（Winston Churchill）有时会与安德鲁（Andrew）下棋和绘图，他们为什么向宾夕法尼亚前进这个问题尚无定论。这个地方被称为他的避世之所，在那里他可以专注于创作杰作。我最喜欢的艺术家之一是贾玛·谢尔鲍斯卡（Jama Shelbauskia），他说所有的巫医都住在山洞里。所以，《找到你自己的黄金眼》这章来源于伊恩·弗莱明（Ian Fleming）创作詹姆斯·邦德小说的经历。他在牙买加发现了一个临海的小屋，并将其命名为“黄金眼”。他会到那里隐居，进行他最出色的创作。为了专心创作，他非常专注地创造了一个无干扰的完全专注的小环境，以至于即使是园丁经过他的住所时也不会分心。

And so if you want to create I think you can play with your phone or change the world you can't do both. And I think spending time each day alone is incredibly essential. We both agree that the no one will notice it statement that people have about craft is a lie I think that sure maybe not everyone will notice it not everyone will notice the extra steps that you go to try and add beauty or or value or effort to the work that you put out into the world but some people will and for the people that do I think it's worth so much more.

如果你想要创造，我认为你可以选择玩手机或者改变世界，但你不能同时做到这两者。而且，我认为每天花点时间独处是非常必要的。我们都同意，对于工艺来说，人们常说“没有人会注意”的说法是错误的。我相信，可能不是所有人都会注意到你在作品中投入的额外精力、美感或价值，但总会有一些人会注意到。对于那些能够看出这些努力的人来说，这一切都是非常值得的。

I was I used to have an existential crisis at about two o'clock in the morning when I was coming back from nightclubs so I ran nightclubs for a long time and on my way home I realized I don't have any milk for tomorrow I don't have any bread for tomorrow whatever and then stop off at the 24 hours supermarket on the way home and every time that was in that I would always regularly think what am I doing 2:30 in the morning and I'm buying bread and it's all quiet on your own and I spoke to a friend and he said next time that you're in there when you see the people that are stacking shit.

我习惯在凌晨两点左右从夜店回来时经历一场存在危机。我经营夜店很长时间了，每次回家的路上，我意识到明天没有牛奶，也没有面包。于是，我常常会在回家的路上去24小时超市。每当我在超市的时候，我总是想，我为什么在凌晨两点半买面包，而且周围很安静，只有我一个人。后来，我和一个朋友聊过这事，他说，下次你去的时候，看看那些在那儿堆放货物的人。

I'm not saying that you're having to navigate around just do something really nice wish them a good day or hope that they're okay or ask how the mornings going or whatever because that's an opportunity for you to do something that's meaningful and that's like I guess it's a little bit interpersonal but it's also kind of like the craft of being a human right like that that degree of effort is something that someone else will take pleasure in and I've seen this in reverse the reason I brought it up about the supermarket.

我并不是说你必须要刻意去绕着做一些事情，只是简单地祝他们一天愉快，或希望他们一切安好，或者询问他们早晨过得怎么样，因为这是一个可以让你的行为更有意义的机会。我想说，这虽然有点像人际交往，但也有点像我们作为一个人的基本能力。这样的努力会让他人感到愉悦。我之所以提到这个，是因为在超市我看到过相反的情形。

Supermarket is that in reverse there's everyone's had that one check out assistant that's just been fired up to be there they don't need to you do you like I don't expect you to sing and dance and you know put a performance on for me the goal is to get the stuff into the bags and for me to get back to my car. But someone's there asking how your days going and being bubbly and just fired up about what's going on you think I actually feel better leaving and that's craft they didn't need to over delivering what they needed to in order to get the job done but I've left feeling uplifted so how is that an effort that's wasted.

在超市里，我们有时会遇到那种充满活力的收银员，他们的积极态度让人印象深刻。其实，我并不指望他们在工作时唱歌跳舞或给我带来什么特别的表演，我的目的只是让物品装好袋子，然后尽快回到车上。然而，有时候会有收银员热情地询问你的一天过得如何，他们的积极态度让人感到愉悦。当你离开超市时，心情仿佛也变好了。这种精湛的工作态度超出了基本工作要求，让人感受到了一种不经意的温暖，这又怎能说是浪费了力气呢？

Well we're singing from the same songbook a few a few replies to that so JK Rowling said for some to love you some must love you I think that's very powerful so you're right we can't please everyone not everyone will notice it. But for some to love you some must love you secondly said not everyone would notice it What I would say is almost everyone feels quality I don't know if I'm saying it very elegantly but the intention with which you work is felt by the people who consume your products.

我们在同一个频道上的几段回复中，JK 罗琳说过，要让一些人爱你，首先必须有人爱你。我认为这很有力量。所以你说得对，我们不可能取悦所有人，并不是所有人都会注意到这一点。但要让一些人爱你，首先一定会有人爱你。接下来，她又说到，不是每个人都会注意到。我想说的是，几乎所有人都能感受到质量。我不确定自己是否表达得很优雅，但你工作的意图会被那些消费你产品的人感受到。

One of my favorite movies is Joker if you look at the behind the scenes work that's a piece of mastery that movie is a piece of mastery so people feel the quality and the intention that you're putting into anything that you do in terms of your craft if you are mailing it in versus bringing it on if you're doing it for the cash versus the magic if you are doing it for FFA fame fortune and applause people will see. Then is this is an insider in the product.

我最喜欢的电影之一是《小丑》。如果你看看幕后制作的过程，就会发现这部电影是一部杰作。人们能够感受到你在任何事情上投入的质量和用心。无论你是敷衍了事还是全力以赴，是为了金钱还是为了创造奇迹，是为了名声、财富和掌声，人们都能看出来。这体现在产品的内部。

Third thing I would say you talk about the grocery store. I remember reading that you're a night club in persario and you're early days before your TV days. I had the center of the LA makers come to my one of my live events and number of years ago, Poga Soul, Absolute Gentlemen. I drove him to the airport after the event and as we walked through the airport I saw something absolutely fascinating he was he had to get to a gate to catch a plane But every little kid who came up to him he stopped He listened he took a picture Every Addle to caveman said can you sign this can you do this?

第三，我想谈谈杂货店。我记得读到过，你是一位夜店老板，这是在你进入电视行业之前的早期经历。多年前，洛杉矶湖人队的几位成员来参加我举办的一个现场活动，其中包括保罗·加索尔，一个真正的绅士。活动结束后，我开车送他去机场。在机场里，我看到了非常有趣的一幕。他需要赶飞机，但每当有小孩子走到他面前时，他都会停下来，认真倾听，并和他们合影。而每当有成年人请求签名或其他事情时，他也都耐心地满足。

I have a story to tell you you inspired me He had the time and as we walked through the entire airport He had time for every single human being who took the time out of their day to stop Paul Gasol and at the gate I asked him I said pal that's really quite amazing What you did you had time for everyone you were fully present with each human being And Chris he said something I've never forgotten and I think it's a real truth He said robin it takes so little to make someone happy

我有一个故事要讲给你听，是你给了我灵感。他很有时间，当我们走过整个机场时，他愿意花时间和任何一个抽出时间来与他交流的人交流。到登机口时，我问他：“帕尔，你真了不起。你竟然能为每个人留出时间，并且全身心地投入。”他对我说了一句我至今没有忘记的话，也让我觉得这是真理：“罗宾，让一个人快乐其实需要很少。”

You're at a You you were just here in Miami Staying at a hotel go to a Starbucks pick up another Pick up a couple of Placons for the people at the front door You're on an airplane you're you're an author Someone's nice to you. So you know what I'd love to send you a book Can you write out your address take a picture of it send it to your assistant or your team or do it yourself So you follow through on your promise and send them that in the book There's that story when I was a little kid.

你在迈阿密，刚刚来到这里，住在一家酒店。在星巴克，你为前门的工作人员拿了一些小礼物。你坐在飞机上，你是一位作家。有人对你很好，你想送他们一本书。你可以请他们写下他们的地址，拍张照片，然后发给你的助手或团队，或者你自己亲自发送。这样，你可以兑现你的承诺，给他们寄去那本书。我小时候也有类似的故事。

I used to love this Canadian TV show called Mr. Dressup Mr. Dressup was this man who used to talk about you know like Like Mr. Rogers and he had these puppets And here I was roughly six years old a huge fan. So I wrote him a letter But a week later My mom brings me this postcards picture of Casey and Finnegan and Mr. Dressup And there's a handwritten note from Ernie Cohns the man who is Mr. Dressup All these years later.

我曾经非常喜欢一部叫做《Mr. Dressup》的加拿大电视节目。Mr. Dressup 是一个像罗杰斯先生一样会和孩子们交谈的人，他还和一些木偶一起演出。那时候我大约六岁，是他的忠实粉丝。所以我给他写了一封信。过了一周，我妈妈给我带来了一张明信片，上面有Casey、Finnegan和Mr. Dressup的照片以及一张Ernie Coombs（也就是Mr. Dressup本人）亲笔写的便条。这么多年过去了，这段记忆依然令我难忘。

I still remember that act of humanity So you're right craft is not only pushing magic and calibrating your Skills to be a merchant of wow in this world where there's just so much mediocrity Craft is also Delivering value by positivity and making those human connections the last quick thing if I may I was in London and You're right, you know a lot of taxi drivers.

我仍然记得那次有人性的行为。所以你说得对，手艺不只是创造奇迹和提高自己的技能，在这个充满平庸的世界里成为让人惊叹的商人。手艺还包括通过积极向上的态度传递价值，并建立人际之间的联系。最后我想说一句，我在伦敦的时候，你说得没错，那里有很多出租车司机。

They see a job is just a job and they can't wait till They get home and yet there was this one taxi driver I walked up to his London cab and it was glittering literally he was he was rubbing the The rubber of the tires as I was walking up with my luggage And as we drove he was like regaling me with stories and he was telling me this and I asked him like Deconstruct why you do this and there was still a sparkle in his eye and he goes I love what I do and I meet interesting people and I practice the knowledge I'm an all-in-one and cabbie and I take great pride in this.

他们认为工作只是工作，他们迫不及待想要回家。然而，有一次我遇到一位出租车司机，我走向他的伦敦出租车时，它真的是闪闪发光的。他当时正在擦车胎的橡胶。当我提着行李走近时，他开始给我讲故事，滔滔不绝。我问他为什么这么做，他眼中依然闪烁着光芒。他说：“我热爱我的工作，我遇到有趣的人，还能增长见识。我是一位全能的出租车司机，我为此感到非常自豪。”

And as we pulled up to city airport it was really interesting He goes you want to see what I do before everyone gets into my cab I said sure you pulled out this windex he goes like wash the windows and then he had an electric Shampooer and he goes and a shampoo the carpet Then everyone puts their feet on before every guest comes in I think that's a great example of craft and mastery It's not about being famous it's about the pride you feel on a job well done.

当我们到达城市机场时，发生了一件很有趣的事。他问我要不要看看他在每位乘客上车前会做什么。我说好啊，然后他拿出玻璃清洁剂，开始擦窗户。接着，他拿出一个电动地毯清洁器，说要清洗地毯，让每位乘客在上车前都有一个干净的环境。我认为这就是对工艺和技艺的执着。这并不是为了出名，而是对工作做好后的那种自豪感。

That's one of the reasons why I've got such a distaste for cynicism on the internet because It's quite easy for someone If that cabbie was a youtuber and decided to post that video about you On YouTube there would be an awful lot of comments saying this is pointless like well What are you even doing this for no one even cares? They're putting their feet on the floor. Why does it matter how clean it is? You're rubbing the side of the wheels. They're just going to get mucky in any case and there is a culture of people doing things that are Quaint and effortful being disparaged and That would disincentivise someone from doing it And yet this taxi driver who presumably isn't posting this stuff on YouTube does it for the pure love of it And I think that if I could Turn down the internet sort of critical cynical voice I think that a lot of people would do a lot more great things I think they'd lean into craft and awful lot more because craft is Mostly what's hidden that doesn't really get seen and yes, you're right

这就是为什么我对互联网上的愤世嫉俗感到厌恶的原因之一，因为这种态度很容易被人接受。假如那个出租车司机是个YouTuber，并决定在YouTube上发布关于你的视频，会有大量评论说这毫无意义，比如“你这样做是为了什么？根本没人关心。人家只是把脚放在地板上，为什么地板是否干净那么重要呢？你擦拭车轮侧面，它们反正会弄脏。”总有一种文化倾向去贬低那些努力而不被理解的小事，这会让人没有动力去做。然而，这位出租车司机大概并没有把这些东西发到YouTube上，他只是单纯出于热爱在做。我认为如果我们能降低互联网上这种批判、愤世嫉俗的声音，人们会做更多伟大的事情。他们会更多地投入到工艺制作中，因为工艺往往是隐藏的，不被看见的。是的，你说得对。

There is utility and beauty and for the people who care about it they will notice job well done never wasted etc But I do think that it disincentivises some people I don't think I think that enthusiasm around people doing hard things well and beautifully Would help more people to do it and I think that A beautiful world would be something that everybody could benefit from a bit more Yeah, I don't I totally hear you and I don't think there's anything quaint about it I think I think doing these things is hard and heroic and brave and honorable You know, I think about you know integrity is so much more valuable than money And even if no one sees that taxi driver You're the only person you're going to get to be with your entire life And when your head hits the pillow every night If you're alone or whether you're with someone you feel good about yourself and you have self respect That's worth more than all the gold in the world

这段话翻译成中文，可以表达如下：其中蕴含的实用性和美感，对于那些在意的人来说，他们会注意到做得好的工作从来不会被浪费。然而，我确实认为这会让一些人失去动力。我并不认为此行为会阻止大家，我认为对完成困难事情的热情，无论是做得好还是做得美，都能激励更多人去这样做。我坚信，美好的世界是每个人都能从中获得更多好处的东西。是的，我完全明白你的意思，我不认为这里有任何不切实际的想法。我认为做这些事情是艰难的、英勇的、勇敢的和光荣的。你知道，我认为正直比金钱更有价值。即便没有人看到哪个出租车司机，你是唯一一个会陪伴你自己一生的人，当你每晚躺在枕头上时，无论是独自一人还是有人相伴，只要你对自己感到满意并有自尊，这比世界上所有黄金都更有价值。

I need to say that again because I deeply believe it's important Integrity is more valuable than money and if you respect yourself And you take pride that fourth form of well in the book You see your you see driving a taxi or You're Diggin graves or working in a coffee shop or writing books or Being an astronaut or whatever it is if you do it with honor and integrity and a love of mastery It's not only what it does for the world. It's what it does for you Yeah, that's beautiful Yeah, look what's the point of having all these houses nothing wrong with it's the fifth form of well Nothing wrong with these things. I want to be super clear What's life all about? I think ultimately it's You know feeling good in your own skin feeling you're being true to yourself

我需要再次强调这一点，因为我深信这是重要的：诚信比金钱更有价值。如果你尊重自己，并为自己的第四种财富感到自豪，那么无论你是开出租车、挖墓、在咖啡店工作、写书、当宇航员或从事其他任何职业，只要你以荣誉和诚信去做，并热爱其中的精益求精，这不仅对世界有益，更对你自己大有裨益。这真是太美好了。拥有这些房产的意义是什么？不是说这些东西有什么不好，它们是第五种财富。我想清楚地表达这一点。生活的意义是什么？我认为最终是要让自己感觉良好，忠于自我。

Maybe it's you you started off the show the interview talking about No, peace I think what we are chasing is not the things. It's the feeling we that the things will bring I think that was your point and I think that's very true We don't want the jet We don't want the port fully. We don't want the 10 million followers We want the feeling that we're craving and missing that we think those things will break And having been in this field 31 years and working with some very serious heavyweights in business mastery athletics I can tell you nothing on the outside will ever feel those fill up those inner holes Is there anything wrong with pursuing a Mount Everest? No, it's beautiful We are species that created the great art We are the same species that created the Eiffel Tower and the internet and flight I think we are meant to grow

也许是你自己开始了这个访谈节目，谈到没有内心的平和。我认为我们追求的不是那些物质本身，而是我们期望物质能带来的感觉。我想这就是你的观点，而且我非常认同。我们不是真的想要私人飞机、不是真的想要豪华游艇，也不是真的想要上千万的追随者。我们想要的是那些东西所能带来的感受，是我们渴望而缺失的情感。而在我从事这个领域31年，与一些商业大师和顶级运动员合作后，我可以告诉你，外在的东西永远无法填补内心的空虚。追求一个像珠穆朗玛峰这样的目标有什么错吗？当然没有，这很美妙。我们这个物种创造了伟大的艺术，建造了埃菲尔铁塔，发明了互联网和飞行。我相信，我们就是为了不断成长而存在的。

we're happiest growing go to the science the human brain craves novelty Having said that I think if we are addicted to accumulating We could spend our best hours climbing a mountain only to realize at the end of this year a career or a lifetime We spent our finest moments Climbing the wrong mountain You mentioned money the most obvious form of wealth perhaps What's the Howard Hughes money trap Long story short here is a man who was a great inventor a great visionary I mean he's the one who developed Vegas as you know he bought TWA he launched a Hollywood movie studio He was a man of great vision great brave great charisma

我们最快乐的时候是成长的过程，而人类大脑渴望新鲜事物。然而，我认为如果我们沉迷于积累，我们可能会花掉最美好的时光去攀登一座山，直到年底、一个职业生涯或一生过后才发现，我们爬错了山。你提到了金钱，它可能是最明显的财富形式。那么，赫华德·休斯的金钱陷阱是什么？简单来说，他是一个伟大的发明家和有远见的人。他开发了拉斯维加斯，购买了TWA航空公司，还创办了一家好莱坞电影制片厂。他是一个拥有远见、勇敢和魅力的人。

But how did he die he died He died alone in a from everything I've read a Filthy hotel room with needles in his arms naked So that first chapter of that form of wealth starts with a cautionary tale Which is Allow financial wealth to be your servant versus your master And be super careful about the dangers and I've seen this with my clients the dangers the great wealth brings I mean a lot of billionaires spend their days defending and protecting the generational wealth that they Made they don't enjoy it Or they've made so much money they filled their life with complexity

他是怎么死的呢？根据我读过的资料，他是孤独地死在一家肮脏的酒店房间里，身上插着针头，赤身裸体。这段关于财富的故事以一个警示故事开头：要让金钱成为你的仆人，而不是你的主人，并且要非常小心财富带来的危险。我在我的客户中也见过，财富带来了很多危险。很多亿万富翁在他们的一生中都忙于保护他们所积累的代际财富，而无暇享受生活。或者说，他们赚了太多的钱，以至于生活变得异常复杂。

I start off the book talking about one of the happiest people I've ever met my ski instructor. I was trying to get a level one ski course so I could teach; it was one of my dreams in my 40s. This is one of the happiest people I knew, and one day we're going up a chairlift, and here's this man with rosy cheeks and always smiling, super fit in his 60s. He said, "Robin, us ski instructors, we're not rich, but we have rich lives." And I actually think he's richer than most of the billionaires in the world. And I would say the same for that taxi driver, and I would say the same for people who might not have a lot of money and a lot of things but they've integrity or great family lives or they paint or they do work that lights them up. They might not be heading a company or on the cover of a magazine, but they sure do have joy in their hearts.

我从一本书的开头讲起，介绍了一位我所见过的最快乐的人之一——我的滑雪教练。我曾梦想在40多岁时通过一级滑雪课程，以便可以教别人滑雪。这位滑雪教练是我认识的最快乐的人之一。有一天，我们坐在缆车上，他是一个六十多岁身体超好，总是微笑、面颊红润的人。他对我说：“罗宾，我们这些滑雪教练，虽然不富有，但生活很富足。”我实际上认为他的富足胜过世界上大多数亿万富翁。我也会这样形容那位出租车司机，以及那些可能没有很多钱财和物质财富但拥有正直品质、美满家庭生活，或热衷于绘画、从事让他们充满激情的工作的人。他们可能没有经营一家公司，也没有登上杂志封面，但他们的内心绝对充满了快乐。

What role do you think scarcity and abundance as a frame that we view the world through plays in how people deal with their relationship to money? Super question. Generosity is how the financially wealthy make money. So money is a reflection of magic delivered in the marketplace. Another way to put it is I'll use the words of the billionaire Ted Turner, "The one who serves the best profits the most." He was using the words of the founder Paul Harris of Rotary. But he said, "The one who serves the best profits the most." If you're coming from a place of scarcity, let's go to a restaurant. You've been in a lot of restaurants; I've been in a lot of restaurants. The room isn't beautiful; the culture isn't one where people are merchants of wow, and it always comes from the tops of clearly the owner does really clear care.

你认为我们通过稀缺和丰裕的视角来观看世界，对人们处理与金钱的关系有何影响？这是个好问题。慷慨是财务富裕的人赚钱的方式。因此，金钱反映了市场中的魔法。换句话说，用亿万富翁特德·特纳的话来说，“服务最好的人利润最大。”这句话原本是扶轮社创始人保罗·哈里斯说的。特纳说，“服务最好的人利润最大。”如果你持有稀缺的心态，我们以餐厅为例。你我都去过很多餐厅。房间不是很美丽，文化也不是那种令人惊叹的氛围，这通常反映了店主是否真的很在乎。

The food might not be fresh; the food is not beautifully done. But what the owner seems to be trying to do is get as much money as possible while giving as little value as possible. I actually think that's the norm in business today. I believe we are suffering from the collective deprofessionalization of business. It's very rare to see a master in action or a merchant of wow. I think all of this let's give as little value as possible and put out a cheap movie to get as much money. Let's go to create a restaurant where our goods are not really mastery, and we'll try to take money. I think all of that behavior is coming from scarcity, coming from a place where there's not enough in the world, coming from fear, the emotion of fear.

食物可能不新鲜，菜品也不精致。但店主似乎想尽可能多赚钱，同时提供尽可能少的价值。我其实认为这种做法在今天的商业界很普遍。我认为我们正在经历商业领域的集体去专业化。很少能见到一位真正的行家或是让人惊叹的商人。我觉得，所有这些行为，比如尽量少提供价值、拍摄廉价电影来赚取更多钱，开个餐厅但产品并不精美，只是为了赚钱，都是源于一种匮乏感，源于对世界不够富饶的恐惧，源于对缺乏的恐惧。

I better get as much money as possible because there's not a lot there. It's counterintuitive, but generosity wins. So let's say it's your podcast, and all the value you bring to millions of people. Let's say it's a restaurant where the food I live in Italy. I see lots of restaurants like this. The Mozzarella di Bufala was brought up from Poulier at four o'clock that morning. You've got native Robin come back to us; you've got native. I know you start talking about Mozzarella di Bufala, and something happens to my brain.

我最好尽可能多赚点钱，因为钱不多。这虽然有点违背直觉，但慷慨才能赢。比如说，如果这是你的播客节目，你为数百万人带来了价值。或者说这是你的餐馆，像我在意大利生活时看到的许多餐馆一样。比如，那天早上四点从普利亚运来的水牛芝士。你本地的食客会回来找你；你有本地的。我知道，你一谈到水牛芝士，我的脑子就开始转动了。

It’s like my little turkey; she got a new ball, a little ball like I'm on the road. So I'll send me these pictures, and our little she bought her turkey this little ball because turkeys are ratters. They love rats, and the ball not only squeals but it lights up, and it's almost like too much for this dog's brain. She just goes berserk, and I start talking about mozzarella di Bufala, and catch your pathway. But there are restaurants in Rome where they just care so much, and you walk in, and they treat you like you remember the family, and the food is so great, and the room is simple but it's beautiful, and it's coming from a generous heart.

这就像我的小火鸡；她得到了一个新球，一个像我在路上看到的小球。所以我发给自己这些照片，我们的小火鸡买了这个小球，因为火鸡喜欢捕鼠。这个球不仅会发出声音，还会发光，对这只狗来说，简直让她的大脑不堪重负。她变得兴奋不已，然后我开始谈论水牛芝士，注意你的路。但在罗马有一些餐馆，他们非常用心，你一进去，他们就像对待家人一样接待你，食物特别好，环境简单却又美丽，一切都充满了慷慨的心意。

People might say, "Give us some strong business strategies." That is a strong business strategy. The more you can work with love, the more you can work from a place of generosity, the more you can say, "How may I most deliver the greatest value for as many people as possible?" That's a recipe for building a global movement around your products and services. That's why Apple under Steve Jobs was so amazing. He was not an entrepreneur; he was an artist. He wanted, before the iPhone shipped, "I want the icons on the iPhone to be so gorgeous the users would want to lick the screen." He was obsessed not with the bottom line; he was obsessed with pushing beauty out into the world.

有人可能会说：“给我们一些强有力的商业策略。” 这本身就是一个强有力的商业策略。你越多地以爱为出发点去工作，越多地从慷慨的角度去考虑，“我怎样才能为更多的人提供最大的价值？”这是围绕你的产品和服务建立全球影响力的秘诀。这也是为什么在史蒂夫·乔布斯领导下的苹果公司如此令人惊叹。他不仅仅是一个企业家，他更像是一位艺术家。他在iPhone发布之前曾说：“我希望iPhone上的图标美丽得让用户想舔屏幕。” 他痴迷的不是收入，而是如何将美传递到全世界。

You read Isaacson's book, Jobs, etc. That's a great example of generosity that comes from the first form of wealth growth. That's why personal development is so powerful: the more you can move through your scarcity issues, what I call in the book your scarcity scars, the more you can be a servant leader, the more you can feel safe in the world. That's what allows you to do beautiful work that inspires people, and the byproduct is fame, fortune, and applause.

你阅读了艾萨克森的《乔布斯》等书。这是一个很好的例子，说明慷慨源自财富增长的第一种形式。这就是为什么个人成长如此强大的原因：你越能克服自己的匮乏问题，我在书中称之为“匮乏伤痕”，你就越能成为一个服务型领袖，你在这个世界上就能感到更安全。这使你能够做出鼓舞人心的美好工作，而随之而来的便是名声、财富和掌声。

What's a way that people can deprogram those scarcity scars? Starting with self-awareness, awareness is the DNA of transformation. So journaling is a great tool for that. Just every morning, free-flowing, start paying attention. Where may I be withholding being generous? Then also paying attention to how you feel. So what are the things that activate you that make you feel insecure or scared? Maybe it's buying something. Maybe it's you see someone on the internet having more than you have. Pay, don't knock them down. Look in the mirror and say, "What's going on with me? Why do I feel jealous? Why do I feel bad?"

人们如何消除匮乏感的伤疤？首先是自我觉察，意识是转变的基因。因此，写日记就是一个很好的工具。每天早上，在日记中自由写作，开始关注自己在哪些方面可能不够慷慨。同时还要关注自己的情绪。什么事情会让你感到不安或害怕？可能是买东西，可能是在网络上看到某人比你拥有更多东西。不要贬低他们，反思自己，问问：“我这是怎么了？为什么我会嫉妒？为什么我会感觉不好？”

The more you can start doing this practice, you'll build fluency, just like a chess master who practices builds fluency with their mastery. When you start doing this emotional healing and start paying attention. Oh here. This is what activates me Here's who I'm jealous about You start the process of releasing that you become more aware and then you become a choice also MVP meditation visualization and prayers a great tool to really scarcity Third thing working with a healer talk therapy very very powerful fourth spending more time alone and just reflecting on that is is incredibly powerful.

越多地开始进行这种练习，你就会如同一位通过不断练习而精通的国际象棋大师一样，建立起流畅的掌握。当你开始进行这种情感疗愈并开始关注时，比如：“哦，这就是让我感到被触动的事情”“这是我嫉妒的人”，你就开始释放这些情绪的过程，变得更加清醒，并且拥有更多的选择权。另外，MVP，即冥想、可视化和祈祷，也是一个摆脱匮乏感的重要工具。第三点，与治疗师合作，进行语言治疗非常有帮助。第四，花更多时间独处并进行自我反思，这是极其强大的。

And then I'd say the fifth thing the practice stuff being a giver versus a taker So so practice being how do you get to be generous you practice being generous Even if it's that chat that story Value chain gratitude you talked about being in the grocery store while you're waiting at the check out paying for your broccoli You do a silent thanks to the cashier for the worksheet doing where he's doing And then you take a few moments and you're grateful for the stock person who put it on the shelves.

然后我要说第五点是关于实践如何成为一个给予者而不是索取者。所以，通过实践，你可以学会变得慷慨。即使是在杂货店结账的时候，你也可以对为你结账的收银员默默表示感谢，感谢他正在做的工作。接着，你花一点时间，感激那个把商品放在货架上的理货员。

And very quickly you thank the trucker who brought it there and then very quickly you think the farmer Who made it and imagine if every step of the way even writing thank you notes to the grocery store owner or the grocery store cash your person And you i'm in a hotel right now. There's a nice. I made my i'm not saying i'm some kind of a guru But i made my bed today I put the bath towels in the bathtub and i'm making sure everything looks really clean because there's someone's family member walking in If his hotel room after i leave.

很快地，你会感谢把物品运过来的卡车司机，然后再感谢种植这些产品的农民。想象一下，如果每一步你都写感谢信给杂货店店主或收银员。现在我住在酒店里，虽然我不是在自夸，但我今天自己整理了床铺，把浴巾放进了浴缸，还确保房间一切看起来都很干净，因为在我离开后，会有某个人的家人来到这个房间。

And so the practice of giving If you do it consistently you get really good at it Which makes you more generous and then it becomes like any habit any skill with practice you reach what researchers call Automaticity and it becomes easier to practice the new skill than not to do it It's crazy how You don't just see this in relationships with strangers, but in relationships with friends as well and the community that you build around you I've just got back from Miami. It's one of my best friends birthdays.

因此，给予的练习，如果你坚持不懈地去做，就会变得非常擅长。这让你更加慷慨，然后它就会像其他习惯一样，任何技能通过练习都能达到研究人员所说的“自动化”。这时，练习这项新技能甚至比不去做要容易得多。令人惊奇的是，这种情况不仅在与陌生人的关系中出现，还在与朋友的关系以及你周围建立的社区中表现出来。我刚从迈阿密回来，是我一个好朋友的生日。

There was 12 of us out there and All of those guys were happy to Do like ridiculously over the top things just to make the rest of us happy we're there for a birthday So maybe everyone's kind of on their best form and being a little bit more generous than they would be usually But uh, it was just so nice and i think that you know in the same way as Craft in your professional work is something that is it adds value that doesn't necessarily have a It doesn't appear on a balance sheet Being generous in that way with strangers and especially your friends and your community adds value in a way that People maybe even can't identify.

我们一共有12个人在那里，其中所有人都乐意做一些夸张的事情，只是为了让我们其他人开心。我们是为了庆祝生日，也许大家都以最好的状态表现得比平时更慷慨。但这一切真的很美好。我认为，就像在专业工作中的精湛技艺为工作增值一样，慷慨待人，尤其是对陌生人、朋友和社区，也能增加价值，即便这种价值可能不太容易被人察觉。

It's not necessarily even going to be a memory that's going to sort of stick up there, but it's going to uplift the way that they feel Few things i'd say to i totally agree with you a gift given for the sake of a reward is not a gift. It's a barter So the sincerity and intention of the gift is very very powerful. I don't know if you've heard this, but there's a great Japanese word is called in toku In toku is the Japanese word for the art of giving in secret.

这段话的大意是：这可能不是一个会长久留在记忆中的事情，但它会提升他们的感觉。有几件事我想说，我完全同意你们的观点：为了回报而赠送的礼物不是礼物，而是一种交换。因此，礼物的真诚和意图非常重要。我不知道你是否听说过一个很棒的日语词汇，叫做“阴德（In-toku）”。阴德是指一种秘密赠予的艺术。

So i would actually say it's great your friends give gift you give gifts. We all do that amazing I think the highest form of giving is anonymous gift giving I think if you give a gift to have your name on a hotel wing Wonder about Not judging just reporting I wonder about the intention of the gift But to give a gift in seat where the recipient won't even know who gave it is a real gift.

我认为你的朋友们会送你礼物，而你也送他们礼物，这是很棒的事情。我们大家都这样，这真的很好。我认为最高级的赠予形式是匿名赠送。如果有人送了礼物并在酒店的某个区域上刻下自己的名字，我不禁会好奇他们送礼的意图，不是评判，只是说明一下。我觉得，如果送礼物时，收礼的人甚至不知道礼物是谁送的，那才是真正的馈赠。

Second thing i'd say Giving a gift is a gift you give yourself as well So the recipient Feels better about the world But you feel better about yourself Even something as simple as wishing people a great day Again, i'm using travel metaphors because i'm on this trip we know what we're doing. Yeah Right, but imagine your Attigate and you're giving the person the the ticket slit or you know they're doing the login code before you get on the plane You just wish them a great day.

第二件我想说的事情是，送礼物其实也是在给自己送礼物。这样一来，接受礼物的人会对世界感到更加美好，而你自己也会觉得更好。即使只是简单地祝别人一天愉快，也能产生这样的效果。我用旅行的比喻是因为我正在旅途中，我们都知道自己在做些什么。对吧？想象一下，你在登机口，将登机牌或是登录码交给工作人员，然后你祝他们一天愉快。

And you take the time to wish someone else a great day Those simple acts of humanity are not only good for the world They're good they're good for your they're good for yourself. They're good for your they're good for your soul And that is a form of wealth that money can't buy and i think it's much more sustainable than money Which can come and go or equities in the stock market that have dips as well as bull markets.

当你花时间去祝愿他人美好的一天时，这些简单的人性化举动不仅对世界有益，也对你自己有益，对你的心灵有益。这是一种金钱无法买到的财富，而且我认为这比金钱更为持久，因为金钱可能来也匆匆去也匆匆，股票市场也会有涨有跌。

So gift giving is super it is super it's a super powerful way to roll through a human life. What's the Stephen King lost letters rule? So I was reading James Patterson's memoir, and he wrote about an instance where he wrote a letter called it was something like the death of Stephen King or something like that, and Stephen King's publisher reached out to James Patterson's that please don't do that you know There's some issues with stalkers etc etc. And so James Patterson said absolutely I will remove the chapter. As a matter of fact, I will have my publisher remove the entire print run with that chapter in it thousands and thousands of books. And James Patterson in his memoir said I never received a thank you from anyone. And the idea from that chapter is simply the power of thank you notes and the power of appreciation and the power of acknowledging when someone when you find someone doing good take the time to acknowledge it.

送礼是一种非常有力的方式来度过人生。什么是斯蒂芬·金失落信件的规则？我在读詹姆斯·帕特森的回忆录时，他提到一件事，他写了一封信，标题好像是《斯蒂芬·金之死》之类的。斯蒂芬·金的出版商联系了詹姆斯·帕特森，要求他不要这样做，因为有一些关于跟踪者的问题等等。因此，詹姆斯·帕特森同意他会删除那个章节。事实上，他甚至让他的出版商移除了已经印刷的包含该章节的所有书，总计成千上万本。然而，詹姆斯·帕特森在他的回忆录中说，他从未收到过任何人的感谢。这个章节要表达的思想其实是感谢信的力量、感激的力量以及认可别人的重要性。当你发现有人做得好时，请花点时间去认可他。

There's a Quaker saying that really speaks to me and it's something to paraphrase it something like if you have any opportunity to thank someone for doing something good do it now because you may not get that chance again. And I think that's worth thinking about. You see someone on the street or someone doing something nice for you. We're all busy, it's very easy to say oh I don't have the time to do it. But pressing the pause button and walking over to that person and just going Yeah, I just want to appreciate you for doing that. That's amazing or the way you do your work it's really good. I want to applaud you for that or you know, here's a tip or here's a coffee or hit you know, I want to write a letter to the CEO of your company. It doesn't take a long time but it really does make a profound difference.

有一句贵格会的格言对我有很大启发，大意是：如果有机会感谢某人做了一件好事，就要立刻去做，因为你可能不会再有这个机会了。我觉得这值得我们去思考。当你在街上遇到某人或某人对你做了善事时，我们常常忙于自身琐事，很容易说"我没有时间"，但按下暂停键，走到那个人面前，说一句“谢谢你做了这件事，真的很了不起”或者“你工作得很好，我想为你喝彩”。你可以给个小费，送杯咖啡，甚至写信给他们公司的CEO。这些事情不需要花费很长时间，但却能带来巨大的改变。

What else haven't we said? I've when it comes to curating and creating the community that people want what do you think's missing? A mentor. My life changed because of my mentors. I've had some incredible mentors. When I was in my 20s, there was this gentleman who fascinated me. He lived a few doors down from me. Everyone else was working at three in the afternoon. I was coming back from the university and I always see him in his backyard sunbathing reading. My select who is this fasting person who is this fascinating person who is so unorthodox and such a contrarian who lives like? So we became friends and one day we were walking along the ocean where we used to live in a city close to the ocean.

还有什么我们没说的吗？在策划和创建人们想要的社区时，你觉得缺少了什么？一个导师。我的人生因为导师而改变。我有过一些非常出色的导师。在我二十多岁的时候，有位先生让我感到着迷。他就住在离我家几扇门远的地方。别人下午三点都在工作，而我从大学回来时，总能看到他在后院晒太阳看书。我常想，这位如此与众不同、生活如此不寻常、与常人不同的有趣人物究竟是谁？于是我们成了朋友。有一天，我们在我们住的靠近海洋的城市沿着海边散步。

And he said Robin run your own race which to me has been so incredibly powerful. Like Robin run your own race. We live in a world where a lot of us we define success according to the values and metrics society tells us we should define success by. But what's the point of living someone else's life? Leo Tolstoy did a short story, the death of Ivan Illich, and at the end of the story, death and Ivan Illich asks himself fundamentally heartbreaking question: What if my whole life was wrong? So I think it's better to live your own life and be called a freak than to win at the world's life and find yourself being very empty.

他说，"Robin，跑你自己的比赛"，这句话对我来说非常有力量。就像“Robin，跑你自己的比赛”。我们生活在一个很多人根据社会告诉我们的价值观和标准来定义成功的世界里。但过别人的人生有什么意义呢？列夫·托尔斯泰写过一个短篇小说《伊凡·伊里奇之死》，故事结尾伊凡·伊里奇临死时问了一个让人心碎的问题：“如果我这一生都是错的呢？” 所以我认为，过自己的生活，即使被人称作怪胎，也好过按世俗的标准获得成功却感到无比空虚。

So mentor is incredibly powerful and one of the ideas I offer is if you can't find a live mentor then look for a dead one. And the idea is recruit a dead board of directors. I find through their books. I mean you can learn how a hot Magon the or Mandela or hey the Lamar or Basquilla or or Will Wright, Edison, Einstein. You can learn how histories great women and men of the world did it through their books. And so what I'm suggesting is not only build a great library in this world where a lot of people love entertainment versus education, but I almost assemble a metaphorical dead board of directors.

导师是非常有力量的。我提出的一个想法是，如果找不到现成的导师，就寻找已故的导师。具体来说，就是从他们的书籍中学习。我相信你可以通过阅读这些书籍，了解历史上伟大人物是如何成功的，比如曼德拉、海蒂·拉玛、巴斯奎亚特、威尔·赖特、爱迪生、爱因斯坦等。因此，我的建议是在这个许多人热衷于娱乐而非教育的世界里，不仅要建立一个优秀的图书馆，还要组建一个象征性的“已故董事会”。通过学习这些伟人的书籍，我们可以从他们的智慧中获益。

So that when you have a big decision to make, you go into a quiet room and it's almost asking yourself on a moral issue: Here's a great question. What would Mandela do? On a business question: What would own assets do? On an artistic question: What would Dubu-Faidu? On a spiritual question: What would Oshodu or whoever you know you respect? But assembling a dead board of directors I think is very powerful. I also would say it's super important to release the energy vampires like I mentioned. But your community and your social network is incredibly important.

所以当你需要做一个重大决定时，可以进入一个安静的房间，差不多像是在问自己一个道德问题：曼德拉会怎么做？在一个商业问题上：拥有资产的人会怎么做？在一个艺术问题上：德布-费杜会怎么做？在一个精神问题上：奥绍杜或者其他你尊敬的人会怎么做？我认为，集合一个虚构的董事会是非常有力量的。我还想说，释放“能量吸血鬼”也很重要，就像我之前提到的。同时，你的社群和社交网络也极其重要。

What about adventure? What role does adventure have in our wealth? A seventh form of wealth adventure without a rich Emerson without a rich heart wealth is an ugly beggar. Rold as adventure play? I think we were born Ingenious and we get resigned into mediocrity. We are as little kids we have eyes that sparkle, we are curious, we are brave, we want to change the world. And then we experience micro trauma and macro trauma along with the psychological programming to be reasonable and ordinary and average and we're actually sold a bill of goods that the geniuses and the great ones are cut from a different plot.

关于冒险呢？冒险在我们的财富中扮演了什么角色？一种第七种形式的财富——没有冒险和丰富的心灵，财富就是个丑陋的乞丐。是否将冒险视作一场游戏？我想我们本来都是有创造力的，但随后却接受平庸为命运。小时候，我们的眼睛闪闪发光，我们充满好奇，勇敢无畏，想要改变世界。然而，随着微小和巨大的创伤经历以及被灌输的理性、平凡、普通的心理编程，我们实际上被告知那些天才和伟人是与众不同的。

And we hear it so much we actually start to believe it. So we lose that sense of adventure. It sounds simple, but a lot of us want more joy. But we stop doing the things that brought us joy when we were younger. And so there's a lot of chapters on adventure but you know one story comes to mind. It's be a perfect moment creator. So Eugene O'Kelly was the former CEO of KPMG, the accounting behemoth I'd tighten up industry, someone who was admired by so many people and one day he went into his doctor's office for the results of a routine medical.

我们听到这种话太多了，以至于开始相信它。于是，我们失去了冒险的感觉。听起来简单，但我们中很多人想要更多的快乐。然而，我们不再做那些在年轻时带给我们快乐的事情。所以，有很多关于冒险的章节，但一个故事让我印象深刻：成为完美时刻的创造者。尤金·奥凯利是毕马威这家会计巨头的前任CEO，在业界颇受尊敬。有一天，他去医生那边拿例行体检的结果。

And the doctor came back Chris with an expression you never want to see on the face of your doctor when you get the results of your routine medic. And the doctor said you have 90 days left to live, you have inoperable brain cancer. And sadly he had roughly 90 days left before he did pass away. But he did something very interesting. He said I'm going to use one of the techniques I used to build my business And I'm going to reverse engineer the last 90 days of my life To create what he called perfect moments.

医生回来时，Chris 看到他脸上的表情是你在常规体检结果出来时绝不希望看到的。医生说：“你剩下90天的生命，你患有不可手术的脑癌。” 很不幸，他确实在大约90天后去世了。但在那之前，他做了一件非常有趣的事情。他说：“我要用我曾用来建立自己事业的方法，逆向规划我生命中最后的90天，创造我称之为 ‘完美瞬间’ 的时刻。”

He realized on his reflection and confronted with his mortality That he had never taken his wife to lunch in all those years as a top CEO He'd missed out on his daughter's Christmas concerts in many cases And he never gone on long walks in central park with his friends And he decided to become a perfect moment creator. And that idea when I first learned it was very powerful to me I think the seventh form of wealth is adventure and you don't need to go to Bali to do it You can find perfect moments in every day.

他意识到自己一直以来没有带过妻子去午餐，而自己却是一名顶尖的CEO。在很多情况下，他错过了女儿的圣诞音乐会，也从未和朋友在中央公园进行长时间的散步。他决定成为一个创造完美时刻的人。我第一次了解到这个想法时，觉得非常有力量。我认为，第七种财富形式是冒险，而你不需要去巴厘岛才能实现它。你可以在每天中找到完美的时刻。

I mean it caused me to take my kids to Mauritius and swim in the dolphins Which is one of the great highlights of my life. But just the other day I was in Toronto on this trip And it was the day the book was released and it was a very intense day. And next day I woke up before getting on a plane I was saddled in a dark hotel room. I had some good coffee And I took maybe two minutes to just Feel some grace and some gratitude On the opportunity to do what I'm doing.

这件事情让我带着孩子们去毛里求斯和海豚一起游泳，那是我人生中的一个美好时刻。就在前几天，我在多伦多出差，那天正好是我的书发行的日子，非常忙碌。第二天，在准备登机之前，我醒来时身处在一个昏暗的酒店房间里。我喝了杯不错的咖啡，并花了大约两分钟的时间，感受了一下内心的平静和感激，感谢自己能够有机会做这些事情。

And so perfect moments it could be 15 minutes in a park where you notice spring flourishing A perfect moment could be you put down your phone in the evening and you read the profit by Khalil Gibran or you listening listen to some beautiful music And you're so present it brings tears to your eyes Could have a perfect moment or this Friday you take your significant other to this Italian restaurant You eat some mozzarella de bufla Have some ketchup pepe there I go again with my.

完美的时刻可能是你在公园里度过的15分钟，注意到了春天的盎然生机。一个完美的时刻也可能是晚上你放下手机，阅读卡利·纪伯伦的《先知》，或者你聆听一些美妙的音乐，如此专注以至于感动流泪。或者你可以在这个星期五带上你的另一半去一家意大利餐厅，品尝一些水牛奶酪，再享用一些意大利经典的Cacio e Pepe。我又开始想象了。

What You know we're in a messy world right now And online you mentioned it there is a lot of cynicism I think it's really important to block out the noise and clean up your information diet and create a bubble And people might say well that's not realistic What's more realistic than creating a bubble of information and You're an ecosystem that allows you to be a polypossibilitarian Where you literally say okay life is short That's the power of connecting with your mortality life is short.

你知道，我们现在生活在一个混乱的世界中。正如你提到的，网上充满了很多愤世嫉俗的声音。我认为，屏蔽这些噪音、整理信息源、营造一个信息气泡是非常重要的。可能有人会说，这不切实际。但还有什么比创建一个信息气泡更现实的呢？在这个生态系统中，你可以成为一个“多种可能性主义者”（polypossibilitarian），你会真正理解到生命是短暂的。这就是连接生命有限性的力量所在：生命短暂。

I'm going to surround myself with people who fuel my joy versus degrade my joy I'm going to follow people who inspire me and lift me up versus tear me down I'm going to read beautiful books that nourish me at all levels I'm going to eat great food. I'm going to be a minimalist versus a maximalist And I'm going to live life on my own terms That's one of the key elements I would say about adventure.

我要与那些能带给我快乐的人在一起，而不是那些让我不开心的人。我会关注那些能激励我、鼓舞我的人，而不是那些打击我的人。我会阅读那些在各个方面滋养我的好书，我会吃美味的食物。我会选择极简主义而非极致主义，并且按照自己的方式生活。我认为这是探险生活中的一项关键要素。

What were Alexander the great slas three wishes Eighth form of wealth service society doesn't say you're helping people You're lifting people up You're doing your work in a way that pushes value into the marketplace to show respect for your consumers And you're leaving people better than you found them even in the smallest of ways Wow, you know, you're a servant leader or you believe in service.

亚历山大大帝的三个愿望是什么第八种形式的财富是服务社会并不是说你正在帮助人们而是说你在提升他们你以一种将价值注入市场的方式来完成工作以此表达对消费者的尊重即便是在最微小的方面也在让人们比原来更好哇，你知道吗？你是一位服务型领袖，或者你相信服务。

You're rich, but it is Form of riches When I was growing up my dad used to say Robin when you were born you cried while the world to rejoice Live your life in such a way that when you die the world cries Well, you rejoice. My dad will be 87 I mentioned that but he'll be 87 in a few weeks needs the humblest most one of most decent giving people I've ever I've ever met And so I've learned the power of of helplessness through my father and many people my mother.

你很富有，但这是一种不同的财富。在我成长的过程中，我的爸爸常常对我说：“罗宾，你出生的时候在哭泣，而世界在欢呼。要这样去生活：等你去世的时候，世界在哭泣，而你在欢笑。” 我提到过，我的爸爸马上就要87岁了，他是我见过的最谦逊、最善良、最无私的人之一。因此，我从父亲和许多人那里学会了无私的力量。

My mom always goes you always mentioned your dad and anything your work. What about me? You know like and so she's a titan. She's she's a force of nature She's she really is very amazing and so that gets me to Alexander the greats Last three wishes I told his lieutenants he said Chris when I die I want you to do three things for me.

我妈妈总是说：“你总是提到你爸爸和你的工作，那我呢？” 你知道的，她就像个巨人，她是自然的力量。她真的非常了不起，这让我想起了亚历山大大帝的三个遗愿。他对他的副官们说：“克里斯，当我死后，我希望你为我做三件事。”

He said number one I want the world's finest doctors to be following my Cascade in the funeral procession number two I want you to take all my jewels and shiny toys and treasures and litter them on the road that takes me to the graveyard and number three I want you to make sure my hands are open for all the people who have gathered To see. One brave lieutenant said why explain these three wishes and Alexander the great said well I want the world's greatest doctors to follow me so that Everyone realizes that even with the best physician you can't cheat that.

他说，第一，我希望世界上最优秀的医生在我的葬礼队伍中跟随我的灵柩；第二，我希望你们把我所有的珠宝、亮眼的玩具和珍宝都撒在通往墓地的路上；第三，我希望你们确保我的双手是张开的，让所有来参加葬礼的人都能看见。有一位勇敢的副官问道，为什么要解释这三个愿望。亚历山大大帝回答说，我希望世界上最伟大的医生跟着我，这样所有人都会明白，即使有最好的医生也无法战胜死亡。

Number two, I want everyone to see the jewels So people realize that money made on earth remains on earth. Oh, how much of our life we spend chasing these shiny things only to realize at the end they made very little difference.

第二，我希望每个人都能看到这些珠宝，以便让人们明白，地球上的财富最终还是留在地球上。唉，我们一生中有多少时间都在追逐这些闪闪发光的东西，但最后才发现它们并没有多大意义。

And he said the third requirement We're born with nothing and I want people to see that we die empty handed So live richly versus be accumulating things most of your time if you want to live Let's say a wealthy fulfilling happy and serene life.

他说，第三个要求是：我们出生时一无所有，我希望人们明白我们死去时也是两手空空。因此，如果你想要过上富足、充实、幸福和宁静的生活，就要充实地生活，而不是把大部分时间都花在积累物质上。

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So I just want to applaud you Chris for the millions of people that you're enriching Uh, and the influence you're having on so many people and It's been a real pleasure to meet you. I appreciate you. Thank you, mate If you enjoyed that episode you will love a selection of the best clips from the podcast over the last couple of months and it's available right here Go on.

所以，我想为你鼓掌，Chris，因为你丰富了数以百万计的人的生活，并对这么多人产生了影响。遇见你真的很高兴。我很感激你。谢谢你，朋友。如果你喜欢这一集，你一定会喜欢过去几个月播客中最精彩片段的精选，并且可以在这里观看。快去看看吧。