Secret To Living Without Fear & Anxiety Forever! Your Mind Can Heal Itself! - Dr. Joe Dispenza

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Dr Joe Dispenza is a researcher, lecturer, and corporate consultant who has developed a practical formula to help people transform their lives. He is also the best-selling author of books such as, ‘Becoming Supernatural: How Common People Are Doing the Uncommon’ and ‘You Are the Placebo: Making Your Mind Matter’. 00:00 Intro 02:10 What Do You Do? 06:57 Why Do People Come to You? 08:51 What Stops Us From Changing? 11:59 Don't Process the Past 16:24 What Are We Getting Wrong About Trauma in Modern Society? 21:49 Step 1: Insight, Awareness & Consciousness 22:36 How to Increase Your Awareness 25:20 The Meditation Process 29:38 How Meditation Takes You Out of Difficult Situations 35:09 Why Can't Some People Change? 40:26 Is the Identity We've Created Helping or Hurting Us? 44:17 You Need to Be Specific With Your Goals 47:17 Crazy Stories of War Veterans' Transformations 51:24 The Importance of Forgiveness 54:11 Should We Forgive Anyone No Matter What? 55:22 The Link Between Negative Feelings and Sickness 1:01:26 Ads 1:03:36 Is Routine Necessary in Our Lives? 1:04:42 The Brain and Heart Connection 1:06:36 Psychedelics and Medication 1:14:19 Advanced Meditators vs. Normal Meditators 1:22:22 The People Who Attend Your Retreats Are Changed Forever 1:25:52 What Is the Quantum? 1:34:08 The Overcoming Process 1:40:24 Joe's Religious Beliefs Follow Dr Joe: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/PPP0kyubGRb Twitter - https://g2ul0.app.link/zhwtfrwbGRb Website - https://g2ul0.app.link/7WNr8CzbGRb YouTube - https://g2ul0.app.link/5oqnE1sbGRb Additional Content: https://stevenbartlett.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/DOAC-Joe-Dizpensa-Independent-research-further-reading.pdf You can watch Dr Joe’s documentary ‘SOURCE It’s Within You’, here: https://g2ul0.app.link/eBIUHNqpGRb Get your hands on the Diary Of A CEO Conversation Cards here: https://bit.ly/conversationcards-youtube Follow me: https://g2ul0.app.link/gnGqL4IsKKb Sponsors: Intuit - https://www.intuit.com/careers/ Vivobarefoot - https://vivobarefoot.com/DOAC with code DOAC20 for 20% off WHOOP - https://JOIN.WHOOP.COM/CEO

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75 to 90% of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the Western world walks in because of emotional or psychological stress. We also know that people become addicted to the stress hormones, to those emotions, and then we need the bad job, we need the bad relationship, we need the traffic, they need the news, just so that they can stay in that emotional state. But now you're headed for disease because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time. But I literally can give people the tools to be able to break those emotional attitudes and our data shows it works better than any drug.

在西方国家，75%到90%走进医疗机构的人，是因为情绪或心理压力。我们也知道，人们会对压力激素和这些情绪上瘾，因此他们需要不好的工作、不好的关系、交通拥堵，甚至是新闻报道，以便维持在这种情绪状态中。但这样下去会导致疾病，因为没有生物可以在紧急状态下长期生存。不过，我确实可以提供工具，帮助人们打破这些情绪习惯，而我们的数据表明，这种方法比任何药物都有效。

Dr. Joe D'Spenza is a world-leading voice on the power of the mind. Whose groundbreaking research has unlocked a practical formula to empower millions of people to rewire their minds and create long lasting change. If I'm looking to change my life because it's in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, and I feel about myself, what do I need to know? I think that the first thing is you can't tell me that your past was so brutal that you can't change because we have seen people with some really, really horrible pasts.

Dr. Joe D'Spenza 是一位全球领先的心灵力量专家。他的开创性研究揭示了一种实用的方法，使数百万人能够重塑思维并带来持久的改变。如果我想改变自己的生活，因为我感到生活陷入了千篇一律的恶性循环，那么我需要了解什么呢？首先，你不能告诉我你的过去有多么悲惨，以至于你无法改变，因为我们见过很多经历过极其糟糕过去的人，他们同样实现了改变。

Abuses, difficult childhoods, it's some very serious traumas, and we have seen them change that belief and become completely different people. But also, the research shows that 50% of the story we tell in our past is even the truth. That means that people are reliving a miserable life they never even had just to excuse themselves from changing, where they wait for something to go wrong in their life, and that's when they go, okay, I'm ready to change. Why wait for that?

虐待、艰难的童年，这些都属于非常严重的创伤经历。我们见证过一些人转变了他们的信念，变成了完全不同的人。然而，研究表明，我们对过去的叙述中有50%可能都不是事实。这意味着人们可能总在重演一个他们从未经历过的悲惨人生，只是为了给自己不改变找借口。他们常常等到生活中出现问题时，才决定开始改变。为什么要等到那时候呢？

You know, we can learn and change and say, pain and suffering, and learn and change instead of joy and inspiration. And so I want to provide people the information, how to make new connections in their brain, and be able to think, act, and feel differently in your same environment. So let's break it down. And my commitment to you, as if you do that, that I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week.

你知道，我们可以通过痛苦和磨难来学习和改变，而不仅仅依靠快乐和灵感。所以我想为大家提供信息，帮助他们在大脑中建立新的连接，从而在相同的环境中以不同的方式思考、行动和感受。让我们仔细分析一下。我对你的承诺是：如果你愿意这样做，我和我的团队会尽全力确保这个节目每周都能变得对你更有益。

We'll listen to your feedback, we'll find the guests that you want me to speak to, and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much. Dr. Joe, how do you define when someone asks you what it is you do? I teach people the neuroscience and the biology of what it really means to change. And I think when we change our life changes. So my interest is to demystify that process so that people have within their reach the tools to make measurable changes in their lives.

我们会倾听你的意见，找到你希望我采访的嘉宾，并继续做好我们的工作。非常感谢。Dr. Joe，当有人问你是做什么的时候，你怎么定义你的工作呢？我教人们了解改变究竟意味着什么，从神经科学和生物学的角度。我认为当我们改变时，我们的生活也会随之改变。所以，我的兴趣在于让这一过程不再神秘化，这样人们就能够掌握工具，在生活中做出切实可见的改变。

And what is it you're drawing upon? What experiences, what studies, what research you're drawing upon to give the world these solutions? I was interested really in the transcendental experience, the transcendental moment. So when I started teaching this work, I taught the work because people were asking, how do you do it? Like, how do you change your life? And what does it mean to change? And so I want to provide people the information where they can actually learn the information, make new connections in their brain.

你是在凭借什么才能提出这些解决方案呢？你是基于什么样的经验、研究或学习来分享这些解决方案的？我对超验经历和瞬间非常感兴趣。所以，当我开始教授这项工作时，是因为大家都在询问，你是如何做到的？你是如何改变生活的？改变到底意味着什么？因此，我希望提供给人们可以学习的信息，以便他们能够在大脑中创造新的联系。

That's what learning is. Repeat what they've learned to the person next to them, you know, build a model of understanding so you can remember it, remind yourself what you've learned because it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it. So create a new level of mind, take away all the doubt, the conjecture, the superstition, the dogma, and so that the person can actually understand what they're doing and why they're doing.

这就是学习的过程。把学到的知识传递给身边的人，建立一个理解的模型，以便记住它，因为遗忘这些信息比记住它们要容易得多。因此，要创造一个新的思维层次，去除所有的疑虑、猜测、迷信和教条，以便让人们真正理解自己在做什么以及为什么这样做。

So the how gets easier. And when the how gets easier, we assign meaning to the act because we understand what we're doing and when we do that, we want a greater outcome. So I want to give people the information and I looked at all the latest research that pointed the finger at human potential and human possibility. I had my own personal experience with the personal injury. We talked about it last time. I studied spontaneous remissions.

因此，“如何去做”变得更容易。而当“如何去做”变得更容易时，我们会赋予这个行为意义，因为我们明白自己正在做什么。当我们明白这一点时，我们就希望能有一个更好的结果。所以我想给人们传递这些信息，我查看了所有最新的研究，这些研究指向了人的潜能和可能性。我有我的个人经历，比如上次我们谈到的个人伤害。我研究了自发痊愈的案例。

I wanted to see what people had in common with each other. And I couldn't find the explanation pretty much in contemporary texts. I had to start looking at neuroplasticity and epigenetics. And then I wanted to see, well, now that I know what people did and I understood what they did to have their own personal healings and transformation, could I reproduce the effects? Knowing what they did, finding out what the commonalities were, putting it in the language of science and then teaching it to people, they could be sick or they could be well, it wouldn't matter.

我想了解人们之间的共通点。但是在现代的文本中，我几乎找不到答案。我开始研究神经可塑性和表观遗传学。接着我想看看，既然我了解了人们所做的事情，也明白了他们如何实现自我疗愈和转变，那么我是否能再现这些效果呢？通过了解他们做了什么，找出共性，用科学的语言表达出来，然后教给人们，无论他们是健康还是生病，这都没有关系。

But understand what they did in order for them to change and how their life changed. And after a couple years of teaching it, we started to see kind of the same type of effects in those people that were applying and doing something with it. So this is a time in history where it's not enough to know this is a time in history to know how. So when we started seeing people stepping out of wheelchairs and having dramatic changes in their health, I knew that in some moment during the retreat or during their meditation that something happened to them. They had an experience inwardly that must have changed them biologically. In other words, if you come into an event and you have three days to be together and at the end of three days you're no longer in your wheelchair and you no longer have symptoms of MS, the human being in me said, wow, that's amazing. The scientists in me said, how? How did that happen?

理解他们所做的事情以及他们生活的变化。但在教授了几年之后，我们开始在那些应用并实践这些知识的人身上看到同样的效果。在这个历史时刻，光有知识是不够的，关键是要知道如何去做。当我们开始看到人们从轮椅上站起来，他们的健康状况发生显著变化时，我意识到在某个时刻，在活动或冥想期间，他们经历了某种改变。他们内部的体验必须在生物层面改变了他们。换句话说，如果你参加一个活动，在短短三天后，你不再需要轮椅，且不再有多发性硬化症的症状，作为一个人，我会感叹：哇，这太了不起了。作为一个科学家，我会问：这是怎么发生的？

So that's when we started doing our own independent research and that's when I started calling in on scientists and biologists and quantum physicists and really scientists measuring a heart rate variability to look to see what was going on in people that were coming to our events. So I could answer the question by saying now that the majority of the research that I look at as our own personal research and we have the largest database in the world now on meditation and the mind body connection. And what we do is we really work on demystifying the process of change and transformation. And if we're able to demystify it, I think all of the measurements of the transformation that we're seeing is more information for me to teach transformation better. And I think that's how we close the gap between knowledge and experience.

所以我们那时开始进行独立研究，我开始联系科学家、生物学家和量子物理学家，尤其是那些测量心率变化的科学家，观察来参加我们活动的人身上发生了什么。因此，我可以说，现在大部分我看的研究都是我们自己的个人研究，我们现在拥有世界上最大的冥想和身心连接数据库。我们致力于揭开改变与转化过程的神秘面纱。如果我们能够揭开它的神秘，我认为所有关于转变的测量数据将为我提供更多信息，以便更好地教授转变。我认为这就是我们弥合知识与经验之间差距的方法。

So we have a huge research team we work with UC San Diego, new work with other universities like Harvard, Stanford and the data is so compelling and the data is so amazing that I think we're making scientific history right now. Hundreds of millions of people have been drawn to you for their own reasons. My partner is one of them. My girlfriend, she has attended your events. She's one of your biggest friends in the world and she's experienced her in transformation as a product of attending your events, but also last conversation. If I look at the top comments, it's just a string of testimonials from people who have been engaged with your work for decades who have had personal transformation in their life and their family.

我们与圣地亚哥加州大学合作，有一个庞大的研究团队，并且与其他大学如哈佛、斯坦福展开新的合作。数据非常有力，也非常惊人，我认为我们正在创造科学历史。数以亿计的人因为各种原因被你吸引。我伴侣就是其中之一。我的女朋友参加过你的活动，是你在全球最大的粉丝之一，并且通过参加你的活动经历了自身的转变。如果我查看顶端的评论，都是人们多年来参与你的工作并在生活和家庭中经历个人变革的见证。

What is the essence of why people come to you? Like if you think about the hundreds of millions of people that have interacted with your work, what do they have in common? What is it they're looking for? People come for all kinds of reasons. The baseline is that they understand on some level that that meditation can change their body and change their life. Some people understand that there's a that they could have mystical experiences without using any exogenous substances. So we have people to come to come to want to heal their body, that want to have a new job or a new career become abundant. People that want to have loving relationships and people want to have mystical experiences, whatever that is.

为什么人们会来找你？如果你想到成百上千万人与您的作品互动，他们有什么共同点？他们在寻找什么？人们会因为各种原因来找你。最基本的是，他们在某种程度上理解冥想可以改变他们的身体以及生活。有些人明白他们可以在不使用外来物质的情况下获得神秘体验。所以，有人想要治愈自己的身体，有人希望找到新工作或开启新的职业生涯，实现丰盈富足。也有人想要建立有爱的关系，还有人寻求不一样的神秘体验。无论是哪种原因，他们都在寻找改变和成长。

But the person is coming with the intention of actually creating exactly what they want. So that's what they think they're there for. But in time, what they're really coming for is to change. And even the people who heal from all kinds of health conditions, what I learned in the last couple of years is they're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing their meditations to change. And when they change, they heal. And so what they begin to crave is the next unknown experience. That experience that exists really beyond three-dimensional reality. But I would say that the majority of people come for a particular reason. And after a period of time, they just want to get more whole. And I don't think there's an end to that.

但是，这些人开始时带着实现自己理想的目标而来。所以他们认为自己来是为了这个目的。然而，随着时间的推移，他们真正来这里的目的是为了改变。甚至那些从各种健康问题中康复的人，我在过去几年了解到，他们并不是为了康复而进行冥想，他们是为了改变而冥想。当他们改变时，他们就会康复。因此，他们开始渴望下一次未知的体验，那种确实超越三维现实的体验。但我想说，大多数人一开始都有一个特定的理由来这里。随着时间的推移，他们只是想变得更加完整。而这种追求应该是没有尽头的。

Is there a bug in our minds or in our society or within culture that stands in the way of our ability to change? And I think as I ask that question, what I'm really trying to get at is there's a culture that's emerged almost like a bit of a trauma culture, we kind of explain who we are based on what's happened to us. And it seems to be justified. I this thing happened when I was a kid and that's why I am this way. Is that approach to viewing our trauma productive or unproductive? And is it a problem?

我们的大脑、社会或文化中是否存在某种障碍，阻碍了我们改变的能力？当我提出这个问题时，我实际上想要探讨的是，是否存在一种类似创伤文化的现象。这种文化让我们倾向于根据自身经历来解释自己是谁。当我们说 "因为我小时候发生了某件事，所以我现在才会是这样" 时，这看起来似乎是合理的。那么，这种以创伤来定义自我的方式是否有益？或者说，这样的做法是不是一个问题？

The stronger of the emotion we feel from some event in our life. A trauma, a betrayal, a loss, a shock, a diagnosis, that the event produces an emotional response. And the high quotient of the emotional response changes our internal state. And the moment we feel altered inside of us, the brain takes a snapshot, freezes a frame or series of frames and takes snapshots and that's called a long-term memory. So then from a biological perspective, every time the person remembers the problem, they're producing the exact same chemistry and their brain and body. As if the event was happening. Okay. Court is all the adrenaline, whatever the emotion is. When they feel that emotion, we could say then that the body is reliving the event emotionally, 50 to 100 times in a day.

当我们在生活中经历某些事件时，情感的强烈程度会很大。例如创伤、背叛、失去、震惊或被诊断出某种疾病，这些事件会引发我们的情感反应。这种强烈的情感反应会改变我们的内在状态。在我们内心感觉到变化的那一刻，大脑会像拍快照一样定格一个或一系列画面，这便形成了长期记忆。从生物学角度来看，每当我们想起这个问题时，我们会在大脑和身体中产生与事件发生时完全相同的化学反应。不论情感是什么，例如肾上腺素，每次回想时，身体就像是在情感层面重温事件，一天可能多达50到100次。

So the trauma is no longer in the brain at that point. Now the trauma is also in the body because thoughts are the language of the brain and feelings are the language of the body. And it's that thought in that feeling, it's that image in that emotion is that stimulus response. That's conditioning the body subconsciously to become the mind of that emotion. And now that person emotionally is branded into the past and you can say to them, why are you this way? Why are you so angry? Why are you so bitter? Why are you so mistrusting? Why are you so afraid? And they'll say to you, I am this way because of these events or that event that happened to me in my life 20 or 30 years ago.

因此，在那时，创伤不再仅仅存在于大脑中，而是已经存在于身体中了。因为思想是大脑的语言，而感受是身体的语言。当思想和感受结合在一起时，当画面和情绪融合时，那种刺激反应就在不知不觉中调条件化身体，使其成为那种情绪的主导。这样一来，那个人就情感上被牢牢地绑在过去。你问他们，为什么你会这样？为什么你如此愤怒、苦涩、不信任或害怕？他们会告诉你，因为在我生命中20或30年前发生过的那些事。

Now this is kind of an interesting thing because in a sense, their identity is completely connected to their past. And as long as they feel that emotion, they'll always remember the past. So now the body is so objective when it feels that emotion, it does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought alone. So now the body's believing it's living in the past event 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. But what the person is really saying is after that event, I haven't been able to change. That's what they're saying. And so that becomes the person's identity and there's nothing wrong with this.

这是一件很有趣的事情，因为从某种意义上说，他们的身份完全与他们的过去相连。只要他们感受到这种情感，他们就会一直记得过去。因此，当身体感受到这种情感时，它非常客观，不知道是现实生活中的经历引发了这种情感，还是个人仅凭思想制造了这种情感。因此，身体相信自己每天24小时、一周7天、一年365天都生活在过去的事件中。但实际上，这个人在说的是在那个事件之后，我无法改变。这就是他们所表达的意思。这也成为了此人的身份特征，并且这并没有什么错。

But you'll never hear me say in any of the work that we do, go back and process the past. We've discovered that when a person analyzes their problems within the emotions of the past, they make their brain worse. They actually drive it further out of balance. They're over arousing it. We discovered is that if the person can get beyond the emotion, truly get beyond the emotion, they'll free themselves from the past. And what we discovered is that if you teach a person to give up the fear, the bitterness, the resentment, the frustration, the impatience, the judgment, it's not feeling bad emotion. I know there's a reason why I'm sure everybody's got a story.

但无论我们在工作中做什么，你都不会听到我说要回顾和处理过去。我们发现，当一个人沉浸在过去的情感中分析他们的问题时，会让他们的大脑状况变得更糟，实际上是让大脑更加失衡，过度唤起了自己的情感。我们发现，如果一个人能够超越情感，真正地超越情感，他们就能将自己从过去解放出来。我们还发现，如果你能够教会一个人放下恐惧、苦涩、怨恨、挫折、急躁和批判，那么这些负面情绪就不会再困扰他们。我知道，每个人都有自己的故事和理由。

But there's nothing that's going to change that story until you change. And so we discovered that if you trade those emotions for an elevated emotion, if you start feeling gratitude and appreciation and love and kindness and care and you practice feeling that emotion, we give you some tools to use, to change your breathing, to put your attention in a different place and to work with your body. What we discovered is that when the person can truly begin to open their heart and we have brains gans on this, when the heart begins to open and it begins to become coherent.

但是，在你改变之前，没有什么能改变这个故事。因此，我们发现，如果你用更积极的情感来替代那些情绪，比如开始感受感激、欣赏、爱、善良和关怀，并不断练习这种情感，我们会提供一些工具帮助你：改变呼吸、把注意力转移到不同的地方，以及与身体合作。我们发现，当一个人能真正开始敞开心扉时——对此我们有大脑扫描作为证据——当心开始敞开并变得和谐时，会发生一些改变。

In other words, when you're feeling frustration or impatience or judgment, your heart is beating very incoherently. When you're feeling love and gratitude, kindness and care, there's a rhythm. There's a cadence that the heart has that's very coherent. When the heart gets coherent, we measure this. It immediately informs the brain that the trauma is over. The heart tells the brain the past is over, the event is over and resets the baseline in the brain. And so now the person, when they look back at their past, they're no longer looking at it from the same level of consciousness.

换句话说，当你感到沮丧、不耐烦或批判时，你的心跳会变得非常不规律。当你感受到爱、感激、善意和关怀时，你的心跳会有一种节奏、一种和谐。当心跳变得和谐时，我们可以测量到这一点。它会立即通知大脑，创伤已经结束。心告诉大脑，过去结束了，事件结束了，并重新设定大脑的基准。因此，当人们回顾过去时，他们不再是以同样的意识水平来看待它。

In fact, many of them will say, oh my god, I needed to go through all of that to get to this point right here. They'll tell you, they'll say, I wouldn't want to change one thing in my past because it got me to the present moment. Okay, so we work with Navy SEALs, special ops, prisoners, we work with people that have had some very serious traumas, have really serious abuses, just difficult childhoods. These people are, you know, night terrors, suicidal, can't leave their homes, socially, having trouble panic attacks.

事实上，他们中许多人会说，天哪，我竟然需要经历这一切才能达到现在的境地。他们会告诉你，他们不愿意改变自己过去的任何事情，因为这些经历让他们来到了现在这一刻。我们与海军海豹突击队员、特种部队成员、囚犯合作，也与经历过非常严重创伤的人们合作，这些人可能遭受过虐待，有过艰难的童年。他们常常伴有夜间惊恐、轻生念头、无法出门、社交困难以及惊恐发作的问题。

It's kind of funny because the moment that person actually breaks through from the emotion, and the words they typically describe, they say, was like my heart exploded. It's like my heart blew wide open. The moment that happens, they're bringing their body right out of the past, right into the present moment. And lo and behold, many times there goes the anxiety, there goes the depression, there goes the cyclic mood patterns, somehow the body gets recalibrated back into order, back into homeostasis. So the point I'm making is that the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. And now you're, you're ready for the next adventure in your life. The soul can't go to the next adventure if it's holding on to the past.

这段话的大意是说，当一个人真正从情绪中走出来时，他们通常描述这种感觉就像心灵被打开一样。一旦这种转变发生，他们的身体就会从过去的束缚中解放出来，进入当下。许多时候，焦虑、抑郁和情绪波动就会因此消失，身体恢复到正常的平衡状态。因此，我要表达的观点是，没有情感负担的记忆被称为智慧。当你准备好迎接生活中的下一个冒险时，灵魂不能再紧抓过去，否则无法继续前进。

So we don't really ever address the story because the story is only firing and wiring the same circuits in the brain, reaffirming the identity to the past, just to feel the same emotion. And the research shows that 50% of the story we tell in our past isn't even the truth. That means that people are reliving a miserable life they never even had, just to excuse themselves from changing, right? And I'm not taking shots at anybody. But what I am saying is you can't tell me that your past was so brutal, that you can't change, because we have seen people with some really, really horrible pasts, that literally, literally are completely different people that have completely different lives.

我们其实很少去讨论过去的故事，因为这样做只是不断地在大脑中激发和连接相同的回路，使自己重新确认与过去的身份联系，只是为了再次体验相同的情绪。而研究表明，我们讲述的过去故事里有50%其实并不是真实的。这意味着，人们其实是在重温一个他们从未经历过的悲惨生活，只是为了给不想改变找借口，对吧？我并不是在批评任何人。但我的意思是，你不能告诉我你的过去是如此残酷，以至于你无法改变，因为我们已经见过一些真正经历过极其糟糕过去的人，他们已经变得完全不一样，过上了完全不同的生活。

I really want to focus in on what it is we're getting wrong when we're trying to treat trauma in modern society, because I see all of these retreats that are like inner child healing. And they kind of take you back to when you were a young child, the thing that happens, you whatever happened in your life, and they kind of walk you back through it. There's also various types of therapy that make you kind of recount the events, and then they ask you questions about it. You're saying that you don't feel like those approaches are optimal, because they just keep you in that circuit of reliving the emotion.

我非常想专注于我们在现代社会中治疗创伤时出错的地方。我看到很多疗养活动是关于治愈内在小孩的，它们会让你回到小时候，回顾生活中发生的事情，并逐步引导你经历这些过程。还有一些类型的治疗，让你详细回忆事件，然后询问你相关的问题。你说你觉得这些方法并不理想，因为它们只是让你不断重新体验那些情绪。

No, I would say they're not optimal. I mean, I'm sure there's value for people. All I'm saying is that when does the story end? And I'm not certain that insight changes behavior. You could have a realization, or even from an exogenous drug, you can have a realization or an insight. But if you still can't function in your life, and you're still, you're having connected with your wife, or you're still dealing with trauma, it hasn't served you at all. So the insight that your father was overbearing, or your mother was a perfectionist, or you were beaten as a kid, and that's why you're this way. It doesn't change the behavior.

不，我认为这不是最佳选择。我的意思是，我相信它对某些人是有价值的。我想说的是，故事什么时候才会结束？并且我不确定领悟真的能改变行为。你可能会有所领悟，或者通过外在因素（如药物）得到某种见解。但是，如果你在生活中仍然不能正常运作，仍然无法与妻子沟通，或者仍在处理创伤，那这些领悟对你来说毫无帮助。所以，即使你意识到父亲太过强势、母亲完美主义或者小时候被虐待，这导致了你现在的状态，但这些领悟并不会改变你的行为。

Let me give an example then from my life, because this will make it really specific. So when I was young, something I've talked about on the show, but it's just an example that allows me to think through your approach. My mom and dad argued a lot, and I would watch my mother in particular, spend a lot of time shouting at my dad. My dad didn't respond. He was very passive. And it made me feel a certain way as a young child, which meant that when I grew up, I just wanted to avoid women at all costs in terms of romantic commitment, because I was almost reliving the emotion of imprisonment that I observed in my father.

让我举个我生活中的例子，这样能更具体一点。小时候，我的父母经常吵架，我在节目中讲过这个例子，因为它让我能够思考你的方法。我的妈妈特别喜欢对我爸爸大喊大叫，而我爸爸则很被动，从来不回应。作为一个小孩子，这让我产生了一种特别的感受，这种感受导致我长大后想尽量避免与女性产生任何浪漫的承诺关系，因为我几乎在重温我父亲所经历的那种像被困住一样的情感。

So I felt like when a girl was interested in me throughout all of my teen years, throughout my early 20s, even if I was interested in her, the minute we came to commitment, I'd get that feeling like I was signing up for prison. And I would reject. Now, I got an insight into this by writing in my diary, actually from doing this podcast, because I used to do it on my own, just solo episodes. And I could see a pattern. I could see that someone asks me to commit, I get this weird feeling. I reject them. And then I asked myself, where did that weird feeling come from in your past?

在我整个青春期和20出头的时候，我有一种感觉：当一个女孩对我感兴趣的时候，即使我也对她感兴趣，一旦我们谈到要建立关系承诺的时候，我就会觉得自己像是在签一份去坐牢的合同。我会拒绝这种承诺。后来，我通过写日记得到了一个启发，这其实是因为我曾经自己做的一个播客的缘故，因为那时我自己单独录制播客。我能够看到一个模式：当有人要求我做出承诺时，我会有一种奇怪的感觉，然后我就会拒绝他们。接着我问自己，这种奇怪的感觉是来自过去的什么经历呢？

And I remembered, oh, that's how I felt watching my father and my mom when she would just scream at him for a long period of time. I had the insight, which was somewhat useful, but you're right, and I didn't necessarily stop the feeling. But, but what you did really well is, is in order for us to change, we have to become so conscious of those unconscious beliefs and what's a belief thought you just keep thinking over and over again, or how you've been programmed, right? It's a belief. We have to become so aware of our automatic habits and behaviors.

我想起了，我小时候看着我父母时的感受，妈妈经常长时间地对爸爸大喊大叫。我有了一些领悟，这对我有些帮助，但你说得对，这并没有完全消除我的感受。但你真正做得很好的是，为了改变，我们必须非常清楚那些无意识的信念。信念其实就是你不断重复的想法，或者是你已经被设定的习惯，对吧？所以我们必须对自己的自动化习惯和行为非常清醒。

And we have to pay attention to our emotional states if we're going to change. And staying conscious of our unconscious self is really the work that it takes to really overcome so you can become another person. That's 95% of a person by the middle of their life, their, you know, hardwired attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions, automatic habits and behaviors and unconscious emotional responses. 95% of us is programmed. So as a child, your brain waves are very slow. A door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open. Your brain waves are an alpha and theta. And so you're very suggestible to the information. And so your exposure to that cause you to learn that that, you know, your observation causes you to get programmed to that's the way life is by mirror neurons looking at behaviors that are being programmed in you.

如果我们想要改变，就必须关注自己的情绪状态。而保持对潜意识的觉察，是克服困难并不断成长的关键。当一个人步入中年时，约95%的态度、信念、观念、习惯性行为和无意识的情绪反应已经根深蒂固。我们的95%都是被“编程”好的。当你是孩子时，大脑波动很慢，意识和潜意识之间的门是敞开的。你的大脑波动处于阿尔法（α）和西塔（θ）状态，因此很容易接受外界信息。你因为接触到了这些信息，经由观察和模仿他人的行为而被“编程”，从而形成了你对生活的认知。

So, so but that's not who you are, right? So the fact that you became conscious like, oh my god, I do this. Oh my god, I see where I got it from. Okay, that doesn't mean that I'm going to excuse myself and say I can't be in relationships. You could, some people do that, but be a different belief, but they do that. But you said, I really want to have a meaningful relationship. I really want to overcome this. That's part of me that I want to change, right? So, so you recognize that. That's called metacognition, right? The fact that you can objectify your subjective self and observe yourself. That's consciousness, right? And when you're conscious, then that's when you're not unconscious. And being unconscious is being in the program. So how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering? That's the moment of change.

所以，你并不是那样的人，对吧？你意识到自己在做一些事情，意识到自己是从哪里学来的。这并不意味着你可以为自己找借口说无法维持关系。尽管有些人可能会这样做，但你选择了不同的信念。你说：“我真的想拥有一段有意义的关系，我真的想克服这一点。”这是你想改变的一部分，对吧？你认识到了这一点，这就是所谓的元认知。你能够客观地观察自己，这就是意识。当你有意识时，就不再是无意识地活在固有模式中了。那么我们要忘记多少次，才能停止遗忘，开始记得？这就是改变的时刻。

So you say, okay, that's uncomfortable. That must mean something. And you actually went on a personal exploration. Yeah. Do something with the insight, with the provocation, with the interest of actually wanting to change yourself in some way, so that you create a greater experience of life, that there is love in life, and that you can have a committed relationship. And it can be different from your parents. And now you know what you're not going to be, right? So I think all of that is valuable. I think every experience that we have in our life, that programs us to be a certain way, sooner or later, if we're interested in arriving at the goals and dreams that we want, we have to leave that behind. As soon or later, a part of us must die. As soon or later, we have to leave that. So I think I think that's that's evolution.

所以你会说，好吧，这让人不舒服。这一定意味着某些东西。然后你开始了一段个人探索的旅程。是的，你对这个洞察、这个刺激以及改变自己的渴望采取了行动，以便创造一种更丰富的生活体验，让生活中充满爱，并且能够拥有一段坚定的关系，而这种关系可以和父母的不同。现在你知道自己不想成为那样的人，对吧？所以我认为这些都是有价值的。我认为我们生活中的每一次经历，塑造了我们的某种方式，但如果我们想实现自己的目标和梦想，迟早得抛弃这些东西。迟早，我们内心的一部分必须死去。迟早，我们必须放下这些。我认为这就是进化。

That first is the first step insight. Like, is this a sequential multi-step process to change? I think that insight is an aspect of awareness. So is awareness staged? Yeah. So consciousness is awareness and awareness is paying attention and noticing. So I think that I think the first step is to become conscious, that we're a certain way. And sometimes it lands as an insight or a download or a life experience that just kind of goes, you go, whoa, like, you know, so I behave this way or I did this thing. So I think when you don't have that, you don't have a conscience. And you can just, you can just keep staying in that world. But sooner or later, you have to become aware.

首先，第一个步骤就是获得洞察力。比如，这是不是一个需要多个步骤才能完成的顺序性改变过程？我认为洞察力是意识的一部分。那么，意识是分阶段的吗？是的。意识就是觉知，觉知就是注意和观察。所以我认为，第一步是意识到我们自己的某种状态。有时候，这种意识会通过一种突然的领悟、接受的信息或者生活中的经历来实现，让我们突然明白："哇，我原来是这样行为的"或者"我做过这样的事情"。我认为，如果没有这种意识，就没有良知，我们可能会一直停留在那种状态中。但迟早，我们需要变得有意识。

How do I increase my awareness by paying attention? Is there a practice or a system or a process? Yeah. But what we know is that the more you practice being present, the better you get at it. And so how do you do that? If you sit in a meditation, and so there's a mode in the brain called default mode, and it's just always busy. It's consuming enormous amounts of energy in the brain. And it's always trying to predict the future based on what it knows in the past. It's kind of an anticipation machine. It's always trying to fill in a known in reality. So we feel safe.

如何通过专注来提高我的意识？有没有什么练习、系统或过程可以遵循？有的。我们知道的是，你越多地练习活在当下，你就越擅长做到这一点。那么，要怎么做呢？比如说，当你进行冥想时，大脑中有一种称为“默认模式”的状态，这种模式总是很活跃。它消耗了大脑中大量的能量，并且总是试图根据过去的经验预测未来。它就像一个预料机器，总是试图在现实中填补已知的信息，以便让我们感到安全。

So default mode system in the brain when you close your eyes in a meditation is going to immediately go into overdrive. It's going to say, oh, my back hurts a little bit. I'm kind of thirsty. How long is this going to go? I really don't want to do this. I don't like the music. You know, is it going to be too long? Oh, I'm starting to get a little frustrated. I want to lay down, you know, all this stuff comes up. And then people have the belief and they say, I can't meditate. That's that's their conclusion from the experience. That's their I'm not a good meditated. That's their affirmation. That's their belief, right? From that experience. But if you say to a person, listen, that's normal. But every time you catch yourself going unconscious, catch yourself going unconscious and become conscious, that's a victory.

在冥想中，当你闭上眼睛时，脑中的默认模式系统会立即进入超负荷状态。你的脑袋会开始说：“哎呀，我的背有点疼。”“我有点渴。”“这要持续多久？”“我真的不想这样做。”“我不喜欢这个音乐。”“这会不会太长？”“哦，我开始有点烦躁了。”“我想躺下。”你会想到这些事情。于是，有些人就会认为，“我没法冥想。”他们从这样的经历得出了这样的结论，并坚定地相信自己不是个好冥想者。但是，如果你告诉他们：“这很正常。每次你意识到自己走神时，把注意力拉回来，那就是一种胜利。”

And as tedious as it may be in the beginning, the more you catch yourself going on conscious and becoming conscious, the more conscious you become in your life. And all of a sudden, you begin to pay attention to things that you weren't paying attention to before. So in the work that we do, we say that being in the present moment, truly in the present moment, is being comfortable in the unknown, right? The present moment is the unknown because there is the familiar past that we feel emotionally and we have the predictable future, which are both the knowns. Being the present moment is being the unknown and that goes against thousands of years of programming because our biology is programmed that if we are truly in the unknown, we should be in survival.

尽管一开始可能很枯燥，但你越能觉察到自己在日常生活中停下来变得有意识，你的意识就会越强。突然之间，你开始注意到以前没有注意到的细节。在我们的工作中，我们认为真正活在当下就是在未知中感到自在。因为当下是未知的，而过去有我们熟悉的情感联系，未来则是可以预测的，这两者都是已知的。活在当下就是置身于未知，而这与我们数千年的生物编程背道而驰，因为我们的生物本能会认为，真正置身于未知中时，我们应当进入生存模式。

Because if you're in survival and you're in the fight or flight system, the unknown is a threat. It's a danger. So always try to predict the future based on the past and you'll have better chances of survival. Predict the worst-case scenario. Be ready for that. Anything less that happens, you have a better chance of surviving. So then to rest in the unknown goes against a lot of our biology. And we discover that when a person keeps doing it over and over again, the body gets agitated, it gets frustrated, it gets impatient instead of the person saying, I quit. Give them something to do and they can lower the volume to the emotion and settle the animal down, like training an animal, settling the body back down into the present moment.

因为如果你处在生存状态中，处于战或逃反应系统中，那么未知就会被视为威胁，是一种危险。因此，总是试图根据过去预测未来，这样你就有更大的生存机会。预测最坏的情况，并为此做好准备。如果发生的事情比预期的更好，那么你就有更大的生存机会。因此，安于未知与我们的许多生物本能相悖。我们发现，当一个人一次又一次地这样做时，身体会变得焦躁、沮丧和急躁，而不是说“我放弃”。给他们一些事情去做，他们就可以降低情绪的强度，让身体平静下来，就像训练动物一样，把身体带回当前的时刻。

We teach people how to do that and that's the victory. Giving them something to do. Yeah, they have something to do when that comes up, okay? Which is, I'll get to it in a second. And if they catch their mind going from a person to another person to another object to their cell phone to their computer to a place they need to be and you know, at the time and you know, they're, they catch themselves with their brain firing in modulated compartments. If they keep catching themselves doing that, if they keep doing that and they catch the circuit when it's firing and they settle it down in time, sooner or later they're going to stop firing those circuits in the brain.

我们教人们如何做到这一点，这就是胜利所在。给他们一些事情去做。是的，当事情发生时，他们会有事情可做，对吧？我一会儿会详细说。如果他们发现自己的思绪从一个人跳到另一个人，再跳到其他事物，比如他们的手机、电脑或者他们需要去的地方，以及一些特定时间。如果他们能意识到自己的大脑在不同的区域间跳跃，并且不断意识到自己在这样做，当他们在大脑回路触发时及时平静下来，迟早他们会停止触发这些大脑回路。

And their brain waves begin to change from an agitated aroused state into a more coherent and slower brain wave state. So when they do this enough times, the brain begins to synchronize, the brain begins to fire in greater levels of wholeness or greater levels of order. So when that occurs, then the nervous system gets very regulated, gets very orderly. The autonomic nervous system moves into a state of regulation. This regulation of the autonomic nervous system is called stress, right? So to answer your question, when people do this really well, in just a few days, they'll get really good at it. The side effect of that is they get very relaxed in their heart.

他们的大脑波动开始从一种紧张激动的状态转变为更加一致且较慢的状态。通过多次重复这种过程，大脑开始同步运作，达到更高水平的整体性或秩序。当这种变化发生时，神经系统变得非常有序，变得更加有规律。自主神经系统进入一种有序的调节状态。这种自主神经系统的调节状态通常被称为压力。因此，回答你的问题，当人们能够很好地进行这种练习时，只需要几天的时间，他们就能非常熟练。这样做的一个附带效果就是，他们的内心会变得非常放松。

It's relaxed in the heart and it's awake in the brain. And the more relaxed you get in your heart, we've discovered, really relaxing into your heart, the more the heart informs the brain to get creative. And so now the person has this kind of synchronization that's taking place between their heart and their brain as well. And they can rest in the present moment. So the way you do that is you define what it really means to change. And to change is to be greater than the conditions in your environment. To be able to think, act, and feel differently in your same environment.

心放松，大脑清醒。我们发现，当你的心越放松，尤其是深入放松时，心脏会更加激发大脑的创造力。这时，心和脑之间就会产生一种同步关系。这样一来，人便能安住于当下。达到这一状态的方法是，明确理解改变的真正意义。改变就是超越你环境中的各种条件，能在同样的环境中做到思维、行动和感受上的不同。

That's what changes. To change is to be greater than your body. To be greater than its drives in the meditation I'm speaking specifically. Greater than its emotional responses, its memories, its emotional reactions. Greater than its habits. So habit is when you've done something so many times, the body knows how to do it better than the conscious mind there. So if you're sitting in a meditation, your body wants to get up and wants to get going. I got people to see things to do. That's kind of like automatic, right? And people get up and they say, I can't meditate.

这就是变化。改变意味着超越你的身体。特别是在我所说的冥想中，这意味着超越身体的欲望、情绪反应、记忆和习惯。习惯就是当你做某件事做得太多次，以至于身体比你的意识更知道如何去做这件事。所以当你在冥想时，你的身体可能会想要站起来、去行动，因为它习惯了总有事情要做、有要见的人。这就像是一种自动反应，对吗？然后人们就起来说，我无法冥想。

But if you tell them that when you notice that, you bring your body back into the present moment, you settle it down and tell it it's no longer the mind that you're the mind. You're training the animal sooner or later, the body literally responds to a new mind. And there's literally a liberation of energy. The body begins to liberate energy. And if the person's not thinking about time, if you're not thinking about where you need to be, where you need to go, where you were yesterday, where you're sitting, where you live, you know, if you're not thinking about any place, you can go from somewhere to nowhere.

如果你告诉他们，当你注意到这一点时，你会将你的身体带回到当下，让它平静下来，并告诉它，不再是它掌控大脑，而是你在掌控大脑。你正在训练这个“动物”，迟早身体会对新的思维方式作出反应。实际上，这是一种能量的释放。身体开始释放能量。如果一个人不去想时间、不去考虑自己应该在哪里、要去哪里、昨天在哪里、现在坐在哪里或者住在哪里，不去想任何地方，你就可以从某个地方进入一个"无所不在"的状态。

And if you're not thinking about the predictable future of the familiar past, you can go from some time to no time. And we discovered when a person becomes nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, and no time, they literally become pure consciousness. And opening our awareness, I know this is kind of difficult to explain because we're materialists, opening our awareness to nothing and sensing space tends to cause us to move more into the eternal present moment. And there's a change that takes place in the brain. So we teach that. And what awareness comes out of that state?

如果你不考虑过去熟悉的、可预测的未来，你就可以从某个时间进入“无时间”的状态。我们发现，当一个人变成“无我”、“无他”、“无物”、“无处”和“无时间”时，他们实际上变成了纯粹的意识。打开我们的意识，我知道这有点难以解释，因为我们是物质主义者，打开我们的意识去感知“无”和空间，往往会让我们更进入永恒的现在时刻。大脑会发生一些变化。所以我们教导这种方法。那么，从这种状态中产生的意识是什么呢？

So if I'm looking to change my life because, you know, I'm continually performing habits that are not optimal, you know, I want to be married and have a family and I want to be productive in my work and I want to go to the gym and etc. My life is just in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, same old, and I feel shit about myself. I know what I say I want, but I feel shit about myself. What's going to emerge from that process of deep meditation in terms of awareness? You'll be come so conscious of those unconscious habits that more than likely you won't want to do them again. And that's what for the most part, change is about.

所以，如果我想改变生活，因为我总是在重复一些不太理想的习惯。你知道，我想结婚成家，我想在工作中更有成就，我还想去健身等等。但我的生活总是在这个令人厌烦的循环中打转，我对自己感到很糟糕。我知道自己口中说的想要什么，但就是对自己感觉很差。通过深入的冥想，这个过程中会产生怎样的觉察呢？你会变得非常清楚那些潜意识中的习惯，很可能你再也不想做这些习惯了。这就是大部分改变的意义所在。

So I think people wait for crisis, you know, they wait for disease, they wait for betrayal, something to go wrong in their life. And that's when they go, okay, I'm ready to change. My message is why wait, dude, like why wait for that? You know, we can learn and change in the state of pain and suffering. We can learn and change in the state of joy and inspiration. So then you get a collective group of people together that really may have all those bad habits. They may even have bad habits that they don't even know they have. And then all of a sudden, they become aware that they've been blaming and complaining and making excuses and feeling sorry for themselves and procrastinating.

所以，我认为人们常常等待危机出现，比如生病了、被背叛了，或者生活中出现了什么问题，这时候他们才会决定改变。我的观点是，为什么要等呢？我们在痛苦和煎熬中可以学到和改变，但我们也可以在快乐和灵感中做到这些。所以，当你把一群人聚集在一起，他们可能都有各种坏习惯，甚至一些自己不知道的坏习惯。突然之间，他们意识到自己一直在责怪别人、抱怨、找借口、自怨自艾，或者拖延不前。

And they start to reason if my personality creates my personal reality, if I'm going to create a new personal reality, I got to change my personality. Because this guy that that's this isn't the guy that wants to be happy. This is the guy who's committed to being unhappy. Okay, let's break it down. Look, it's down the fundamentals. And now we give them a roadmap of their thoughts, behaviors and emotions that they that they have lived by. Is that a question?

如果我的个性决定了我的个人现实，那么如果我要创造一个新的个人现实，我就必须改变我的个性。因为这个现在的我并不是想要快乐的人，而是一直沉浸在不快乐中的人。好吧，让我们分解一下这个问题，看看基本要素。现在，我们给他们一份关于他们长久以来所依赖的想法、行为和情感的路线图。这是一个问题吗？

Yeah, you could say that step two is is becoming conscious of your unconscious self and then becoming conscious of a new self reinventing a new self. And so the person who's feeling really bad about themselves because they're not they're not doing anything to change, it's just because when you're not changing, you're still choosing. But what you're choosing is something that makes you feel familiar and comfortable because the moment you decide to change, truly get serious about change, the moment you decide to make a different choice and do something differently, you are going to feel uncomfortable.

可以这么说，第二步是让你意识到自己无意识的那一面，然后意识到一个全新的自我，重塑一个新的自我。所以，那些对自己感到很沮丧的人，因为他们没有采取行动去改变，只是因为当你不改变的时候，你实际上是在选择一种让你感到熟悉和舒服的状态。但一旦你决定真正认真地去改变，做出不同的选择，尝试一些不同的事情，你就会感到不舒服。

It's going to be immediate. And that's the moment you go from benon into the unknown. Now, if the body has been emotionally conditioned to be the mind like we talked about earlier, the serving is the master. And so the person who steps out into the unknown and it feels uncomfortable, what is the body going to say? Get back to suffering. Get back to feeling bad, get back to feeling guilty. At least that's familiar. That's known.

这会是立刻发生的。那就是你从已知进入未知的时刻。现在，如果身体在情感上已经习惯于主导思维，就像我们之前讨论过的那样，仆人变成了主人。因此，当某个人踏入未知领域并感到不适时，身体会说什么？回到痛苦中，回到感到不舒服中，回到感到内疚中。至少这些是熟悉的，是已知的。

So tell a person there's going to be a biological death of the old self. And they're logically, chemically, harmonically, genetically, there's the old self's going to die. Just know that that's going to happen. But instead of white knuckling it across the river of change, we're going to give you something to do because that unknown place is the perfect place to create. And so let's get you into the unknown. But let's get you there where you're relaxed and awake. You're not escaping.

告诉一个人，他们旧的自我将会经历一种生物上的“死亡”。从逻辑、化学、荷尔蒙和遗传的角度来看，旧的自我将会消逝。你只需知道这将发生。但是，与其紧张地艰难度过改变的过程，我们会给你一些事情去做，因为未知的地方正是创造的最佳地点。所以，让我们带你进入这个未知的领域。但我们会让你在放松且清醒的状态下抵达那里，不会让你逃避这一过程。

And if you do that really well, you'll be in a creative state. So you actually will be out of survival and you'll be able to create because you could only be in survival or creation. It can't be in both. So let's get your body physiologically back in the balance. Let's get it there. Now who do you want to be? What do you want to believe? Let's review that. What's a belief? A thought you keep thinking over and over in your brain.

如果你能很好地做到这一点，你将进入一种创造性的状态。这样一来，你就不会处于生存模式，而能够进行创造，因为你只能处于生存或创造状态，不能同时处于两者。所以，让我们从生理上恢复你的身体平衡。现在，你想成为什么样的人？你想要相信什么？我们来回顾一下。信念是什么？就是你在头脑中反复思考的一种想法。

Keep remembering to think this way in your meditation. How am I going to be with my ex from my boss? Let me close my eyes and think about what greatness looks like. What forgiveness would do? What love would do? Let me just, let me close my eyes and mentally rehearse how I'm going to be in that circumstance. I'm going to keep remembering to do these things. So I don't forget. Keep doing it over and over again. You start installing the hardware.

在冥想中不断提醒自己这样思考：我将如何与我老板的前任相处？让我闭上眼睛，想象一下伟大是什么样子。原谅能带来什么？爱能带来什么？让我闭上眼睛，在脑海中预演一下我在那种情况下会怎么做。我会不断提醒自己做这些事情，这样我就不会忘记。坚持一遍又一遍地练习，你就像是在安装硬件一样，把这些变为习惯。

Repeat it enough times. It gets like a software program. You start behaving that way automatically. And then my goodness. Is it possible to teach our body emotionally? How we do want to feel before it happens? And there's don't wait for your wealth to feel abundant or your success to feel empowered or your healing to feel wholeness. That's waiting for something in your outer world to change to take away the emptiness or lack that you're feeling in your inner world. Teach your body emotionally what it feels like ahead of the actual experience. And the moments you start feeling abundant, you're generating wealth. The moments you can embody, empowerment, you're stepping towards your success. The moments you feel grateful and whole, healing begins. Right? So now you're starting to cause an effect in your life.

重复足够多次，它就像一个软件程序。你会开始自动那样行动。天啊，难道我们可以在事情发生之前，就教会自己的身体如何想要的情感状态吗？不要等到你获得财富才感到富足，或者等到成功才感到有力量，或者等到康复才感到完整。那是在等待外界的变化来填补你内心的空虚或缺失。提前教会你的身体感受这些情绪。当你开始感到富足时，你就在创造财富；当你能够体现出力量时，你就在迈向成功；当你感到感激和完整时，康复就开始了。这不正是在你的生活中引发变化吗？

So how the person keeps remembering to feel that way and have them practice sooner or later they'll start feeling that way more and the more they feel that way, the more they'll believe in their future. And some people get so good at doing it that they walk around feeling that emotion that feel like their future has already happened. And when you feel like the future has already happened, you stop looking for it. And that's when the magic starts to take place in people's lives, the synchronicities, the coincidences, the opportunities. They start coming to them in their life. And that's the reflection of their own personal change. I've seen thousands and thousands, tens of thousands of testimonials of people saying, during this bends a change changed my life.

所以，当一个人不断地记得去感受某种情感，并进行练习时，迟早他们会越来越多地体验这种情感。感受得越多，他们就越相信自己的未来。有些人甚至做到如此熟练，以至于他们随时随地都能感受到这种情感，仿佛他们的未来已经实现了。而当你觉得未来已经实现时，你便停止了寻找，它就在不经意间出现在你的生活中。这时，生活中的魔力开始显现，巧合、机遇接踵而来。这些都是他们个人改变的反映。我见过成千上万的例子，许多见证者表示，这个转变改变了他们的生活。

I mean, I've got one at home, right? I've got a testimonial that I live with. I'm sorry. No, no, honestly, I love it because she's so, she's probably back there somewhere, but she's so passionate and inquisitive and curious that I almost vicariously am benefiting from the work and research she's doing. And she's bringing things into our relationship in life that I'm making it more rich and full. And I have a certain perspective, which I wouldn't naturally go into that world. And even with breath work and the other things that she's brought into our relationship, I wouldn't have naturally gone there. So it's super useful.

我的意思是，我家里就有一个很好的例子。我不是开玩笑。真的，我很喜欢她，因为她充满热情、好奇心和求知欲。她可能现在就在那边，虽然我并不直接从事她做的工作和研究，但通过她我也间接地受益。她把很多新的东西带入我们的关系和生活中，使其更加丰富多彩。我本身是不会自然走入她所涉及的领域的，包括呼吸训练和一些她带来的其他事物，我本来也不会去尝试。所以这些对我来说真的很有帮助。

But there must be instances where you've met someone and you've tried to help them. And you've been unsuccessful. Of course. And why don't those people change? Because I'm assuming that you think most people can change. They have the propensity to change. Why does it not work sometimes? As scientists asked me, we talk about this all the time. Sometimes being in such severe lack of and desperation, desperation creates a state where you can't hear anything because you're you don't know new information can enter the nervous system that is not equal to the emotion the person is experiencing. As an existence is a broad understanding.

当然，会有一些情况是你遇到某人并试图帮助他们，但最终没有成功。为什么这些人没有改变呢？我假设你认为大多数人是可以改变的。他们有改变的倾向。为什么有时候不起作用呢？科学家常常问我这个问题，我们也经常讨论。因为有时候，当一个人处于极度的匮乏和绝望中时，这种绝望会导致他们无法倾听任何事情，因为他们不知道如何接收那些与他们情绪不一致的新信息。作为一个整体的存在，这是一个非常广泛的理解。

This is why we don't do questions at our events. Because you can give the person the answer to the question that they're asking you and they will not hear you. They will not hear you. In fact, they will argue against you. But if you get that person out of that emotional state and the only person that's going to do that is them, by the way, get that person out of their emotional state. They can hear that information. So sometimes we're programmed into such lack, we're programmed to wait for something out there to change to take away this emptiness or lack. You know, when this happens, I'll feel this.

这就是为什么我们在活动中不进行问答。因为即使你回答了对方的问题，他们也听不进去，甚至可能会和你争论。实际上，只有他们自己才能从情绪状态中走出来。一旦他们脱离情绪困扰，他们才能真正听进去这些信息。我们有时被编程为感到缺乏，总是等待外部的某些变化来填补内心的空虚。我们会想："当这个事情发生时，我就会有这样的感觉。"

And so when things are good in our life, we feel good. And when things aren't so good in our life, we feel bad. So we're kind of victimized to the circumstances in our life. It's our outer world is controlling our inner world of thoughts and feelings. So if the person has been programmed into saying, I why haven't I healed? Why hasn't this happened in my life? Because the person who's saying why haven't I healed is the old self. The new self would never say that, right? The new self is too busy overcoming and becoming, right? So I think people meet information at their own level.

当我们的生活顺利时，我们会感到开心。而当生活不顺时，我们就会感到沮丧。所以，我们的情绪常常被生活的环境左右。我们的外部世界在影响着我们内心的思想和情感。如果一个人总是在问自己，为什么我没有痊愈？为什么这些事情没有在我生活中发生？那是因为这个人在用旧的自我提问。而新的自我是不会这么问的，因为新的自我正忙于克服困难和不断成长。我认为人们会根据自己的情况来理解信息。

But what I can tell you that is so compelling and so exciting is that when we get people on the stage and it happens every event, it's really quite unbelievable. To see a person stand on the stage in front of 2300 people, you would walk right past her in the grocery store. She doesn't look vegan, she doesn't look ketogenic, she doesn't look particularly fit or young or dressed well, you know, whatever that is. She just looks like a normal person. And they stand on the stage and they tell their story of how they were diagnosed with cancer or whatever the condition is.

我可以告诉你的是，这真是令人振奋和激动人心的事情。在每次活动中，当我们让人们站上舞台时，都会有这样的时刻，这真是令人难以置信。看到一个人站在2300人面前的舞台上，这个人在超市里你可能会和她擦肩而过。她看上去不像是素食者，也不像是实行生酮饮食的人，她看起来没有特别健壮、年轻或穿着讲究，就是一个看似普通的人。他们站在舞台上，讲述他们被诊断出癌症或者其他疾病的故事。

And what they did in their life to change those health conditions and there's numerous health conditions. And I look out in the audience and I look at people, there is no soul in the audience that isn't leaning in. Everybody is leaning in because there's the example of truth on the stage and there's nothing like a good story, right? So the change that we're seeing in our community is that there's a greater acceptance, a greater belief, a greater understanding, a greater awareness to the idea that you could actually heal because people witness it. And the person in the audience who's seeing that person who healed themselves from whatever health condition it is relates to them. And they say, my God, if that person can do it, I can do it as well.

在他们的生活中，他们做了什么来改变健康状况，而健康问题有很多种。当我看向观众席时，我发现没有一个人不是在全神贯注地倾听。每个人都在倾听，因为舞台上展示了真实的例子，没有什么比一个好的故事更能打动人心，对吧？我们社区中正在发生的变化是，人们对自愈的接受度、信任度、理解度和意识都在提高，因为大家亲眼目睹了这种可能性。观众中看到某人治愈了自己的健康问题的人，会感受到共鸣，他们会想：天哪，如果他能做到，我也可以。

And just like an infection spreads amongst the culture and creates disease, health and wellness can become as infectious as disease, right? And so we have, it's not uncommon. Like when that person stands on the stage and they're the four minute mile, if the person has renards syndrome, we've had events where four other people with renards syndrome healed at the end of the event, like no longer have any symptoms at all. Or we've had five people in one event step out of a wheelchair. Now if you ask me if I ever thought that was possible, I would say no.

就像感染在文化中传播并引发疾病一样，健康和幸福也可以像疾病一样具有传染性，对吧？这并不是罕见的现象。比如，当一个人站在舞台上，他们像突破四分钟一英里一样激励他人。如果一个人患有雷诺氏综合征，我们曾经在活动中看到，其他四个有同样症状的人在活动结束时完全康复，没有任何症状。我们还在一次活动中看到五个人从轮椅上站了起来。如果你问我是否认为这是可能的，我会回答不可能。

So I do think when a person sees that example of truth, their awareness of possibility begins to change. And the evidence then allows the person to increase their own belief in themselves and impossibility. You used to wear a leon, the wear identity. And I've been pondering over the last couple of weeks whether identity is useful. Because this is a really trivial example. But I've told myself for a long time, I don't like running. And this Christmas, I decided that it's probably important for me to take on some of these limiting beliefs I have. So I just started running.

所以我确实认为，当一个人看到真实的例子时，他们对可能性的意识就会开始改变。然后，这些证据也就让人们增加了对自己和对“不可能”的信心。你过去穿着狮子的服装，那是你的一种身份认同。而在过去的几周里，我一直在思考身份认同是否真的有用。这是一个很小的例子，但我一直对自己说，我不喜欢跑步。然而，这个圣诞节，我决定有必要挑战自己的一些限制性信念，所以我就开始跑步了。

And in doing so and going through the pain of like, oh, my legs hurt, whatever, I had this sort of realization that like what other areas of my life have I just created a story that is closing in on me and making my life more narrow and in terms of how I think or like my health or whatever. And so for the last couple of weeks, I've been thinking about this concept of identity, like what it is, why we create one, and how harmful or positive it might be to all of us.

在这个过程中，虽然感到腿疼之类的不适，我也有所领悟，我意识到在生活中的其他方面，我是否也编织了某种故事，从而限制了自己，让我的生活变得狭隘，无论是思维、健康还是其他什么。因此，在过去的几周里，我一直在思考身份这个概念——它是什么，为什么我们会创造它，以及它对我们每个人是有害还是有益。

Yeah. Well, look, I mean, I think we're all a work in progress, right? I think it's an uncovering process. So I always tell people, you can be anybody you want. You can be any character you want to be in three-dimensional reality in this kind of virtual reality experience. You get to put on any character. But when it comes time to create, when it comes time to connect, you got to lay down that character, you got to lay down the identity, you got to lay down that person, right?

是的。呃，你看，我的意思是，我认为我们都是在不断进步的，对吧？我觉得这就像是一个自我发现的过程。所以我总是告诉别人，你可以成为任何你想成为的人。在这种三维的虚拟现实体验中，你可以扮演任何角色。但当需要创造的时候，当需要真正连接的时候，你得放下那个角色，放下那个身份，放下那个“人”，对吧？

And some people have become so idealized to their identity that they can't be anything else. And so I don't think the identity is bad. I think as long as we're able to lay it down, when we create, it's important. And by the same means, if there are aspects of your personality or your identity that is undermining your life in some way, and this happens to so many people, we see even when they're getting healings, that their blood values get better, and then they get back into their life, and then get blood values go back up, and then they get more healings, and their blood values go down, and they go back into their life.

有些人过于理想化自己的身份，以至于无法成为其他角色。我并不认为身份本身是坏的。我认为，只要我们在创造时能够放下身份，它就是有意义的。同时，如果你性格或身份的某些方面在某种程度上削弱了你的生活，这对很多人来说都是常见现象。我们看到，即使在接受治疗后，他们的血液指标有所改善，但一回到生活中，血液指标就会上升，然后他们再次接受治疗，指标又会下降，然后又回到日常生活中。

And sooner or later, this goes on four or five times, they say, is it me? Like, do I have something to do with this? And the answer is always yes. If you want to take the sign, you can't take one bite, you got to actually eat the whole thing. So then what aspect of your identity then is limiting you? And what is that story that you're saying to reaffirm it to be the truth? And is it really the truth?

迟早，这样发生四五次之后，他们会说，是我吗？我和这件事情有关系吗？答案总是肯定的。如果你想接受这个标志，你不能只尝一口，你必须真正地吃下整个东西。那么，你身份的哪个方面在限制你？你用什么故事来重申它是真实的？它真的是事实吗？

And if it's not the truth then, you got to make a decision. And you got to make a decision with such firm intention to change that belief that the amplitude of that choice carries a level of energy that causes your body to respond to your mind, that the choice that you're making in that moment becomes a moment in time that you'll never forget. In other words, you have to say, I knew exactly where I was, what I was doing, what time of day it was when I made up my mind to change, right? It becomes a long-term memory.

如果那不是真相，那么你需要做出一个决定。你必须以坚定的决心去改变那个信念，这种选择的强烈程度会产生足够的能量，让你的身体对你的思想作出反应。这样，你在那个瞬间做出的选择会成为一个你永远不会忘记的时刻。换句话说，你必须能够说出：当我下定决心去改变的时候，我清楚地知道自己在哪里、在做什么，以及当天是什么时间。这个选择会成为一个长期记忆。

And the stronger the emotion, the stronger the emotion you feel when you make that choice, the more you remember the choice, right? And so you can't say, oh, well, I think I'm going to change this kind of part of my identity. And your body's going to say, he's lying. Like, he's not serious. He's going to still make the same choice. When you say this is it, I don't care how long it takes time. I don't care how I feel body. I don't care what people think of me or what's going on in my life environment. I'm going to change and you come out of your resting state and you make that choice. You're giving your body a taste of the future emotionally. That's what you're doing.

情感越强烈，当你做出选择时感受到的情感越强烈，你就越能记住这个选择，对吗？所以你不能只是说，“哦，我想我要改变我身份中的这部分。”而你的身体会说，他在撒谎，他并不认真，他还会做出同样的选择。当你下定决心并说这就是我要做的，我不在乎需要多长时间，不在乎身体的感受，也不管别人怎么看我或者我生活环境中发生了什么，我要改变，并从休息状态中走出来，做出这个选择。你其实是在情感上让身体体验未来。

And so people who make up their mind to change, they have to come out of their resting state and they have to say, I'm doing this. And that is a strong signal in the field. So does that mean that if I do want to change and I need that kind of escape velocity from my old self, the why the reason must be abundantly clear and incredibly strong. So if I'm making a new years resolution, I'm not going to just say, listen, I want this new years resolution because I think people will think better of me if I have it. It's going to be so deep in my core and I've got to be so clear and be able to articulate the reason why this matters to me for it to stand a chance.

所以，那些下定决心要改变的人，必须从自己的舒适状态中走出来，并坚定地说：“我正在做这件事情。” 这在行为上是一个强有力的信号。因此，这是否意味着如果我想改变，我需要一个足够强大的动力来摆脱过去的自己，理由必须清晰且强烈？所以，当我制定新年计划时，我不能只是说：“我制定这个新年计划是因为我觉得这样别人会更看重我。” 相反，我必须发自内心地清楚为何这对我如此重要，并能够清晰地表达出来，这样才有实现的可能性。

Yeah, we call that a signing meaning. Like, so it's so important to assign meaning to the task or the act that we're engaging in one of the best ways to do that is to hold that vision or the dream of why you're doing it. I want to be healthier. I want to be more fit. I want to be more wealthy. I want to be more free. I want to be more in love. Whatever it is, the only thing that's stopping you from being any of those things is just a part of your identity that has to change. So you get there and it's nothing's mystical about this.

是的，我们称之为赋予意义。就是说，为我们所参与的任务或行动赋予意义是非常重要的。最好的方法之一就是保持对为什么要这样做的愿景或梦想。我想变得更健康，我想更加健美，我想变得更富有，我想更加自由，我想更有爱。不管是什么，阻碍你成为任何这些目标的唯一因素只是你身份中的某个部分需要改变。所以你可以实现这些目标，这没有什么神秘的。

If you said I want to be wealthy, this is your goal. This is your vision. And here you are in lack. The only way you're going to get wealthy is this person's going to have to change a lot to find that wealth. So there's nothing there's nothing mystical about this. We've all done it at some point in our life where we just made up our mind. And what did we do when we when we did it? We got very clear like, okay, let me remind myself what that vision is. I just got to remember, why am I doing this?

如果你说“我想变得富有”，那么这就是你的目标和愿景。而你现在处于匮乏状态。你要想变得富有，就必须做出很多改变来找到财富。这其中没有什么神秘的事情。在我们的生活中，我们都曾在某个时刻下定决心。那时候我们会做什么呢？我们会非常明确地提醒自己：好吧，让我想清楚我的愿景是什么，我为什么要这么做。

Okay, so I'm going to have to make a different choice. I mean, write down those choices I have to make. I'm going to have to start doing different things. Okay, what am I going to do? Let me remind myself what I need to do. Okay, why am I doing? I'm doing for this experience. Yeah, I know it might hurt my legs in the beginning or whatever it is. I know it may be a lot of trouble when I'm going for this goal. This is my goal. And the more we fascinate about that experience, the more we start feeling the emotion of that future.

好的，我需要做出不同的选择。我的意思是，我得把要做的选择写下来。我需要开始做些不同的事情。那么，我该怎么做呢？让我提醒自己我需要做什么。为什么我要这样做呢？我是为了这个体验。是的，我知道一开始可能会伤到我的腿，或者会有其他麻烦。当我追求这个目标时可能会遇到很多麻烦，但这是我的目标。我们越是对这种体验着迷，就越能感受到那种未来的情感。

That's when your body, what we've discovered is beginning to biologically change because it's starting to feel the emotion of the future ahead of time, right? So that keeps a person on the journey. Then we do something really great. We say, what thoughts do I want to stay away from like, I can't say, I can't say, I can't say, I can't feel like it. I mean, if you're truly committed to being healthy and you're going to exercise, you can never say, I'm too tired. You can never say, I don't feel like it. That's going to cause you to not make the choice.

这就是当你的身体开始生物学上的变化时，我们发现这是因为它开始提前感受到未来的情绪，对吧？这使得一个人能够坚持在这条旅程上。然后我们做一些很棒的事情。我们问自己，我想远离哪些想法，比如“我不能说”，“我不能觉得”。我的意思是，如果你真的决心要保持健康并且要去锻炼，你绝不能说“我太累了”或“我不想要”。这些想法会导致你不去做出选择。

Right? So it's kind of this process where we're kind of doing that exact thing. We're actually looking at the old identity and we're reminding ourselves of who we want to become, right? Until you become it. And we discovered it's the overcoming process. That is the becoming process. When the person overcomes some belief, some behavior, some emotion, when they truly overcome it, they naturally become somebody else. It's just a side effect. Their work in doing that makes them love themselves more.

对吧？所以这有点像一个过程，我们就是在做这样的事情。我们实际上是在回顾过去的身份，同时提醒自己我们想要成为什么样的人。直到我们真正成为那样的人。我们发现，这个克服的过程其实就是成长的过程。当一个人克服了一些信念、行为或情绪，当他们真正克服了这些，他们自然就会变成另外一个人。这只是一个副产品。在这个过程中，他们会更加爱自己。

You also have a lot of case studies of, I was reading a lot of them from army veterans and people that have been through pretty horrific experiences in the army. I was reading a story of Joshua who was an army veteran who I believe came to one of your events took part in your meditation and described it in his own words as his heart cracked wide open. What happened with Joshua? Because that's a good example of personal transformation.

你也有很多案例研究，我读过很多关于退伍军人和经历过惨痛经历的人的故事。我阅读了一个关于乔舒亚的故事，他是一位退伍军人，后来参加了你们举办的一个活动，进行了冥想练习。他用他自己的话来形容这次经历，说他的心被彻底打开了。乔舒亚身上发生了什么？因为这是个人转变的一个好例子。

Well, we have a program right now in the veterans, the Navy SEALs, special ops. Simply because there's lots of stories like Joshua where he was pretty much ready to give up on his life. And many of these veterans, they cope to the best of their ability, but in the back of their mind, they have an exit plan. They have the drugs ready. They're thinking about taking their life. Many of them think this way. And they've done so many different types of things to help themselves. And even a lot of them have done plant medicine and mushrooms and, you know, ketamine and all kinds of things to help them. But on some level, their PTSD wouldn't go away.

我们目前在退伍军人中有一个项目，特别针对海豹突击队和特种部队。这是因为有很多像约书亚这样的故事，他曾经几乎放弃了自己的生命。许多退伍军人尽最大努力去应对，但在他们的内心深处，他们有一个退出计划。他们准备好了药物，甚至想到结束自己的生命。很多人都有这样的想法。他们尝试了很多不同的方法来帮助自己，甚至有人使用植物药、蘑菇、氯胺酮等各种方法，但他们的创伤后应激障碍（PTSD）在某种程度上依然无法消除。

And Joshua is a great example because he was at the very bottom of pulling in his life where he was ready to give up. And, you know, the thing that I like to do with veterans is to reason with them. If you have a Navy SEAL, right? And these are elite individuals. If I tell them exactly what will happen if they practice opening their heart, if I say to them, it's going to reset the baseline for trauma in the brain. They don't say, how do I do it? They say, yes, sir, like, I'm going to do it until it, until it happens. And that's what happens to all of these guys there. They get there.

约书亚是一个很好的例子，因为他曾经陷入生活的低谷，几乎要放弃。而我喜欢与退伍军人做的事情就是与他们理性沟通。如果面对的是一名海豹突击队队员，这些精英中的精英，如果我告诉他们，练习敞开心扉能够重置大脑的创伤基线，他们不会问该怎么做，而是会回答“是，长官”，并努力去做到，直到目标实现。这就是他们都能做到的原因。

There's so much trauma in their brain and body. There's so much incoherence in their nervous system. There's so many physical problems that they're having. That they they're just really out of balance. So if we if we work with these people and give them all the information and give them numerous opportunities to apply it, so many of them break through and that's the moment, um, their brain and body literally are no longer connected to the memory or or the emotion that keeps them in the past and and they get recalibrated.

他们的大脑和身体承受着巨大的创伤，他们的神经系统非常紊乱，身体也存在很多问题，导致他们整体失衡。如果我们与这些人一起努力，给他们所有必要的信息，并提供多次机会让他们去应用这些信息，很多人就会突破。这一刻，他们的大脑和身体就不再与让他们停留在过去的记忆或情感相连，他们会获得重新平衡。

And he was a drug addict and alcoholic victim of child abuse. Yeah. And the before and after of Joshua, dramatic, yeah, dramatic. Again, you know, we interview a lot of these veterans, you know, we did we interviewed this. He didn't know anything about meditation. This guy never meditated in his life. You know, he he didn't know anything about me. He didn't know any. He didn't even know where he was going. This is how blind the study was. And he got there and he was just like, there's no way like we're gonna hang out with all these people. He was really, you know, and you know, always on guard.

他是一个吸毒成瘾和酗酒的人，曾经是儿童虐待的受害者。是的。约书亚的前后变化非常显著，非常显著。我们采访了很多这样的退伍军人，我们采访过他。他对冥想一无所知，从来没有冥想过。他对我一无所知，对任何事情都不清楚，以至于连自己要去哪里都不知道。这个研究就是这么保密。他到了那里，非常惊讶，觉得不可能和这么多人在一起，他非常警觉，总是保持戒备。

And they asked him in front of the camera like, my goodness, like, what happened? And he's in like he got this is a guy that looks like a Navy seal. And he paused for like a minute. And he was got so emotional and said, I got my life back. I got my life back. I got every I'm a my marriage is great again. I'm in love with my kids. I can feel again. I'm happy. Like I'm not faking it. I really feel a change. You know, so that's how the vet vet program kind of grew because the veteran program was just a few vets coming that were again injured in some way physically or emotionally.

他们在镜头前问他：“天哪，发生了什么事？”这个人看起来像是海豹突击队成员。他停顿了一分钟，非常激动地说：“我找回了我的生活。我找回了我的生活。我的婚姻又变得美好，我重新爱上了我的孩子。我能感受到真实的情感，我真的很快乐，不再是装出来的感觉。我真的感受到了改变。” 正因如此，老兵项目逐渐发展起来，最初只有几个在身体或情感上受过伤的退伍军人参加。

And completely different at the end of the event. They're going to go tell their tribe like right away like you got to do this. This really helped me. So we have a strong veteran community. And you know, we have our one of our nonprofits, the Give to Give Foundation that works with veterans and we create all kinds of programs for them to heal and we're super proud of the results we're getting. Someone like Joshua has been through so much in their life where an objective observer would say it is warranted that they might be living in a state of victimhood.

在活动结束时，他们会感受到完全不一样的变化。他们会立刻告诉身边的人，说“你一定要试试这个，真的对我帮助很大。” 我们有一个强大的退伍军人社区。我们的一家非营利组织，Give to Give 基金会，专门与退伍军人合作，并为他们创造各种康复项目，我们对取得的成果非常自豪。像Joshua这样的人，生活中经历了许多磨难，从客观的角度来看，他生活在一种受害者心态中是可以理解的。

How important is it to forgive? I think it's really one of the fundamental things that keep us alive. I mean forgiveness to me is just overcoming the emotion. That's it. And like if you overcome the emotion, the side effect of that is that your heart will open. That's exactly what happens. And when energy moves into the heart, we start releasing different chemicals. Then we when we feel angry or we feel victimized or when we feel sexual is just a different chemical elixir.

宽恕有多重要？我认为这真的是维系我们生命的基本要素之一。对我来说，宽恕就是克服情绪，仅此而已。一旦你克服了情绪，随之而来的就是你的心会变得更加开放。事情就是这样发生的。当能量流入心脏时，我们体内会释放出不同的化学物质。这与我们感到愤怒、受害或性欲时释放的化学物质是不一样的。

And oxytocin is released. And oxytocin signals nitric oxide. And nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart to literally dilate. Heart gets filled with energy. It's engorged with blood. And when that occurs, the oxytocin levels that you're feeling, the love that you're feeling, the studies show that when oxytocin levels are just elevated a little bit, it's really hard to hold the grudge. You just can't, right? So if you're willing to forgive and you overcome the emotion, you'll take your attention off the person or the problem, right?

催产素被释放出来，催产素会引发一氧化氮的信号。一氧化氮又会引发另一种化学物质作用，使心脏中的动脉真正扩张。心脏充满能量，被血液灌满。当这种情况发生时，你感受到的催产素水平升高，也就是你感受到的爱。据研究显示，当催产素水平稍微提高时，人们很难继续记恨对方，你简直做不到，对吧？所以如果你愿意原谅别人，克服你的情绪，你就可以不再把注意力集中在某个人或问题上了。

Because the stronger the emotion we have, the more we pay attention to our problems or the person, right? Overcome the emotion, you no longer have your attention on that person. And in a sense, you're taking energy and you're calling it back to you, right? So you're building your own field. And so love is the elixir that allows us to forgive. In other words, you can't say, I'm going to forgive you. It's January 31st or February 1st. Remember this day, we got a thing I forgave you. So that's not like forgiveness. When people really have that feeling of pure love, where they've actually gotten over the emotion, they've already forgiven. They're like, I'm totally cool. I'm great. You great. I'm great. Like so it's a side effect of a change because if the stronger the emotion we feel, the more we pay attention to that person, where we place our attention is where we place our energy, okay? Overcome the emotion, you no longer have your attention on that person, you're calling energy back to you and you're building your own field.

因为我们情绪越强烈，就越关注我们的问题或是某个人，对吧？战胜这种情绪，你就不再把注意力放在那个人身上。从某种意义上说，你是在收回自己的能量，重新聚集到自己身上。因此，你是在打造自己的能量场。爱是使我们能够原谅的良药。换句话说，你不能说：“我要原谅你，今天是1月31日或是2月1日，记住这一天，我原谅你了。” 这并不是真正的原谅。当人们真正感受到纯粹的爱，并战胜了情绪，他们已经原谅了。他们会觉得，一切都很好，你好我也好。这是改变后的一个副产品，因为我们情绪越强烈，越把注意力放在某个人身上，而我们的注意力在哪里，我们的能量就在哪里。战胜情绪后，你就不再关注那个人，而是把能量收回到自己身上，打造自己的能量领域。

And there's energy now to heal. There's energy now to create. There's energy now for the mystical experience. And so you can't do that if you're feeling frustrated or if you're feeling anger, if you're feeling resentment, you'll always hold the grudge. You have to convert. You have that teach a person how to get into that elevated state. And the side effect of that is forgiveness. It's not something that you have to do. It's just something that automatically happens. When we think about forgiving people that have wronged us, our dad, when we were younger, that person at work, the boss that fired us, or even something that happened that significantly worse. It almost feels like a justification, or an acceptance of what happened to us, which makes it feel like there's an injustice in the world.

现在有能量去疗愈，有能量去创造，也有能量去体验神秘的经历。所以，当你感到沮丧、生气或心怀怨恨时，这些事情是无法做到的，因为你总是会耿耿于怀。你要学会转化这种状态，要学会如何进入那种积极的状态。而这样做的副作用就是宽恕。这不是你需要刻意去做的事情，而是一种自然而然的结果。当我们想到要原谅那些伤害过我们的人，比如小时候的父亲，工作中的某个同事，解雇我们的老板，甚至更糟糕的事情时，它几乎让我们觉得是对所发生事情的合理化或接受，这让我们觉得这个世界有不公之处。

Like if I forgive that person, I'm letting them off. Do you think we should always forgive everybody in all circumstances? Yeah, I think so. I mean, because I mean, you free yourself. The only way you're going to free yourself from that person or from that past experience is for you to literally overcome the emotion. So, God, we've all had people do really horrible things and we've probably done some horrible things to people as well. But I don't think you can free yourself or free them unless you decide that, you know, love is going to be the thing that heals it. And in God, so many people do it in our work and the side effect of it is that they have wonderful effects in their lives, many times just healing.

如果我原谅那个人，就好像是在放过他们。你觉得我们应该在任何情况下都原谅每个人吗？我觉得应该。因为，原谅他们其实是让自己得到解脱。要真正从那个人或过去的经历中解放出来，唯一的方法就是克服自己的情绪。天啊，我们都曾遇到过让我们痛苦不堪的人，我们自己可能也曾让别人受到伤害。但是，我认为只有你决定用爱来治愈这一切，才能真正解放自己或别人。而且，很多人在内心深处实践这一点，结果常常是他们的生活因此有了美好的变化，很多时候都是治愈的效果。

There is a chronic stress in society that seems to be going in one direction, it seems to be going up and up and up. And I was wondering if that ties into the subjective burdens we're carrying from our past that are keeping us elevated in ways that are suboptimal. Yeah, well, I got, I mean, what a crazy time to be alive right now. There are so many things happening in such a short amount of time. I mean, it's almost overwhelming. Every day, there's something happening. And, you know, so living in stress is living in survival.

社会中似乎有一种持续的压力，这种压力似乎在不断增加。我在想，这是否与我们背负的那些主观负担有关，这些负担由于我们的过去而使我们处于一种不理想的状态。是的，我明白，现在真是一个充满疯狂的时代。在极短的时间内发生了太多事情，这几乎让人难以应对。每天都有新的事情发生，因此，生活在压力中就意味着生活在一种生存模式中。

The problem with the stress hormones is that the arousal that's created from the stress hormones causes us to move into these higher brainwave states called beta brainwave states where aroused and the arousal causes us to pay attention primarily to all the things in our outer world. The arousal causes us to put our attention on our body. It causes us to obsess and think about time. And so people get stuck in these high brainwave states. And I think the big challenge is, is if you understand that stress is when you're knocked out of homeostasis, when you're brain and body are knocked out of balance, then your response or your reaction to people or circumstances in your life that you're chronically feeling on a regular basis is actually weakening the organism.

压力荷尔蒙的问题在于，它们会让我们进入一种更高的脑波状态，称为贝塔脑波状态。这种状态下，我们的注意力主要集中在外部世界的各种事物上。此外，压力还让我们更多关注自己的身体，并过分专注于时间。因此，人们容易被困在这种高脑波状态中。我认为，最大的挑战在于理解压力其实是让你的身体和大脑失去平衡，而当你对生活中的人或事情做出持续性的反应时，实际上是在削弱自身的健康。

Because when you turn on that emergency system, the fight or flight nervous system because of the hormones of stress, and you move your body out of balance, and it has no time to recover and turn back to balance now you're headed for disease. Because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time, the arousal creates a rush of energy and people become addicted to the stress hormones. They become addicted to those emotions. And so that now they need the people and the conditions and the circumstances in their life to reaffirm their addiction to the emotion. They need the bad job. They need the bad relationship. They need the traffic. They need the news just so that they can stay in that emotional state.

因为当你启动应急系统时，战斗或逃跑的神经系统会因为压力荷尔蒙而被激活，这会让你的身体失去平衡。如果身体没有时间恢复并回到平衡状态，你的健康就会受到威胁。因为没有生物能长时间处于紧急状态，长期的紧张会消耗大量能量，人们容易对压力荷尔蒙上瘾。他们对这些情绪产生了依赖。因此，他们需要生活中的人、环境和情况来强化他们对这些情绪的依赖。他们需要糟糕的工作环境，需要糟糕的人际关系，需要交通堵塞，需要新闻报道，只是为了让自己持续处于这种情绪状态。

So then 75 to 90% of every person that walks into a healthcare facility in the Western world walks in because of emotional or psychological stress. That's the number one thing. So our emotional response to the conditions in our life then becomes the important element. So people think, oh my god, when I'm emotional, I can't control my emotions and turns out you can regulate. It turns out you can shorten the response period from emotions and it takes practice. Right? So you could take the you can have the most ketogenic, vegan, organic, peptide, whatever, intermittent fasting diet. And you could do yoga and you can do cardio and you can do hit training and foundation training and whatever. Ket massage, acupuncture, but if you're an emotional wreck and if there's three types of stress, physical, chemical, and emotional, then there's three types of balance, physical, chemical, emotional. If you've got your body and physical balance and chemical balance and you're not putting in an emotional balance, these will never stay.

在西方国家，每进入医疗机构的人中有75%到90%是因为情绪或心理压力的问题。这是最主要的原因。因此，我们对生活中各种状况的情绪反应就变得非常重要。很多人认为，在情绪化的时候，他们无法控制自己的情感，但事实证明，我们可以调节情绪。我们可以通过练习缩短情绪反应的时间。即使你有最先进的生酮饮食、纯素、有机、肽类饮食，或者是不间断的禁食，你做瑜伽、心血管锻炼、高强度训练、基础训练等，甚至接受推拿、针灸治疗，但如果你的情绪一团糟，那么无论是身体上、化学上还是情绪上的三种压力，就要有对应的三种平衡：身体、化学、情绪的平衡。如果身体和化学上都已经平衡了，但情绪上没有保持平衡，那么这些平衡就无法维持。

So then the important part, the important element then is teaching people how to shorten the refractory period of their emotional responses and catch themselves when they're feeling those emotions and change it and not rely on anything outside of them to do it a video game or a drug or whatever people do. Teach them that they have the tools to do it themselves. And if they understand that they're addicted to those emotions, I've seen this thousands of times. There's always an aha moment like I'm addicted to anger, but really? Oh my god. Maybe I am. Now the moment you recognize that, oh my god, I'm using that person to reaffirm my addiction to anger. Oh my god. Like I don't want to I don't want to feel anger. Okay. Well, an addiction is something that you think you can't stop. Addiction is doing something that you know isn't good for you and you're doing it anyway. Right? So these emotions are addictive then. I'm going to probably go through with thralls.

重点部分是教人们如何缩短他们情绪反应的冷却期，让他们能够及时察觉到自己的情绪，并在不依赖外部事物（如电子游戏或药物等）的情况下改变这种情绪。我们要教会他们，他们自身就具备这样的能力。如果他们理解自己对这些情绪上瘾，我见过成千上万的人在这种情况下有恍然大悟的时刻，比如意识到自己对愤怒上瘾，心想："真的吗？天啊，也许我真的上瘾了。" 一旦你认识到自己是依赖某个人来重申对愤怒的上瘾，你会想："天啊，我不想再感到愤怒了。" 你就会明白，上瘾就是你觉得自己无法停止某件事情，它是指你明知道这件事情对自己不好却依然去做。所以，这些情绪也会让人上瘾。我可能需要经历戒断的过程。

I've probably overdosed a few times. I've probably had a couple bad trips. Okay. So let me get really clear like how am I going to change this? So if the change is to be greater than your body, your environment and time, and when you live in stress and you live in survival, all your attention is on your body, your environment and time. It means when we're living in stress, it's really hard to change because it's not a time to change. It's time to run, fight and hide. Right? So so teaching people how to break those emotional addictions is the side effect of that is called joy. A person is no longer tormenting their body and keeping it out of balance. And many people who heal in this work, they don't say, oh, I'm going to I'm going to heal this health condition. They'll say the first thing I'm going to do, and this is the majority of them, is I'm going to work on getting my body back into homeostasis.

我可能有几次用药过量，可能也经历过几次糟糕的迷幻体验。好吧，那么让我来弄清楚我该如何改变这种状况吧。如果想要改变得超越你的身体、环境和时间，而在压力下或生存模式中生活时，你所有的注意力都集中在你的身体、环境和时间上。这就是说，当我们生活在压力中时，要做出改变非常困难，因为那不是改变的时机，而是逃跑、战斗和躲藏的时刻。对吗？所以，教人们如何打破这些情感上的依赖，其副作用就是所谓的喜悦。一个人不再折磨自己的身体，使其失去平衡。许多在这种疗法中康复的人，他们并不会说，“哦，我要治愈这个健康问题。”他们大多数人会先说，“我要努力恢复我身体的平衡状态。”

Like I'm going to work on regulating my emotional states. I'm not going to react in this way. I'm not going to respond this way. That's the work right there. It's breaking those emotional addictions so that we can move out of survival. And then survival, it's not a time to create. And survival is not a time to meditate. It's not a time to close your eyes and go within. You'd be eaten. It's not a time to be vulnerable. It's not a time to open your heart. Right? And yet we got to work with our bodies and be able to to to re-condition them to a new mind. And so a lot of the work that we do, especially during this time in history, where everybody's feeling the the the pressure, the environmental pressure of stress is to give people the tools to be able to self-regulate.

翻译为中文：我会努力调节自己的情绪状态。不再以这种方式反应，不再以这种方式回应。这就是我们需要做的工作，实际上是在打破情感上的依赖，从而摆脱仅仅为了生存而活的状态。生存时期不是创造的时机，也不是冥想的时候。你不能闭上眼睛内观，那样会被吃掉。也不是脆弱、敞开心扉的时候，对吧？然而，我们需要和自己的身体合作，重新调整它们适应新的思维。因此，很多我们所做的工作，尤其是在这个历史时期，大家都感受到环境压力带来的压力，我们要为人们提供能够自我调节的工具。

And when I mean self-regulate, that means move from one emotional state to another emotional state. And it's not bad that we react. We all react. I react. But the question is, how long? Like how long are you going to react for it? Because if you keep doing it for months or years, it ultimately becomes your personality, right? Yeah. And it has a big impact on your immune system. I've noticed that when I'm in a state of prolonged reaction, negative reaction to something, it only takes a couple more days for me to get a flu or a cold or something. And I like, glad you're like, because I don't get sick often.

当我说“自我调节”时，指的是从一种情绪状态转变到另一种情绪状态。我们都会有反应，这并不是坏事。我也会有反应。但问题在于，这种反应会持续多久？因为如果你持续这样几个月或几年，这最终会成为你性格的一部分，对吗？而且这对你的免疫系统会有很大影响。我注意到，当我对某件事情产生长期的消极反应时，只需再过几天，我就容易感冒或生病。幸运的是，我不常生病。

So I think I get sick kind of like I am now maybe twice a year. And so it's very easy. It's almost like a shock. And then it's very easy for me to trace my steps and see what brought me here. So this happened. My response was this eight days later. I felt my immune system go. Because I get sick so rarely. It's so unbelievably clear what happened to me. If there's no like, oh, I touched something and then the germs got in my mouth for me. It's so clear in my life. So yeah, that's kind of what I want to do is I want to stop that happening.

所以我大概一年会生病两次，就像我现在这样。这感觉非常强烈，几乎像是一次冲击。然后我很容易可以回溯一下，看看是什么导致我生病的。这次是这样的，我的反应是这样的，八天后我感觉到我的免疫系统崩溃了。因为我很少生病，所以我特别清楚发生了什么。对我来说，不存在什么“哦，我碰到了什么东西，然后细菌进入了我嘴里”这种情况。我生活中发生的事情非常明确。所以，是的，我想做的就是阻止这种情况的发生。

Yeah. Well, look, how old are you? I'm 32. 32. My God, you're doing great. I mean, if you figure this out now by the time you're 40, you'll you'll have it mastered. So we did a study where we had people stop feeling survival emotions for three days and have them practice feeling elevated emotions, heart-centered emotions. And we measured a chemical called IGA, immunoglobulin A. It's your body's natural flu shot. It's actually better than a flu shot.

好的。那么，你多大年纪了？我32岁。32岁！天哪，你做得非常好。我的意思是，如果你现在就明白这些，到你40岁的时候，你就会驾轻就熟了。我们做了一项研究，让人们在三天内停止感受生存情绪，转而练习高昂的情绪、心灵专注的情绪。我们测量了一种叫做免疫球蛋白A (IGA) 的化学物质，它是你身体的天然流感疫苗。实际上，它比流感疫苗还要好。

And so we measured people's IGA levels at the beginning of this time and then we measured them at the end. At the end of three days, by trading those limited emotions for more elevated emotions, the RIG A levels went up 50%. 50%. So when you're feeling an elevated emotion, the body's so objective that it's believing it's living in a nurturing and loving environment. If the environment signals the gene and it does, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion, that person is signaling genes ahead of the environment.

我们在这一阶段开始时测量了人们的IGA水平，然后在结束时再次测量。结果在三天后，通过用更积极的情绪取代那些有限的情绪，IGA水平增加了50%。50%！当你感受到积极情绪时，身体是如此客观，以至于它相信自己正处于一个滋养和充满爱的环境中。如果环境能够激活基因（确实如此），而经验在环境中的最终产物是情绪，那么这个人实际上是在环境之前就激活了基因。

And that's and now the body's going to make globulins, which are proteins that are going to create more internal defense and unless unless attention on external defense. So the immune system then, which is the internal protection system begins to move back into order. If you're looking to take the next step in your tech career, you'll want to hear about our sponsor, Intuant. I've always believed that if you want to do your best work, you have to put yourself in the right environment.

这段文字可以翻译为： “现在，身体将开始制造球蛋白，这是一种蛋白质，会增强内部防御系统，而减少对外部防御的关注。所以，免疫系统这个内部保护机制会逐渐恢复正常秩序。如果你想在技术职业生涯中更进一步，你可能会想了解我们的赞助商，Intuant。我一直相信，如果你想做到最好，就必须把自己放在合适的环境中。”

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What about routine in all of this? Is the value in having a strong routine? Because then when the winds blow, at least I'm anchored by something. Yeah, I try to avoid that word because I think it conjures up a lot of beliefs for people. I think I'd like to say if you can set aside a certain amount of time for yourself, just for yourself, to be alone with yourself. For me, my routine is to have two hours in the morning. That's just my time. That's my time where I'm going to get my brain and body right. It's the time where I'm going to think about the things I have to do in the day and how I'm going to be in my day. Get that all clear and then I do my meditation. My meditation is really for me to overcome myself and change and then create. I don't care if you do it in the morning or in the evening. I'm a morning person. I've always been a morning person. I have friends that are artists and musicians and even my kids. They're just more even evening people. They're creative. They like the evening. It doesn't matter to me. I just pick a time in your day where you can think about who you want to be and who you no longer want to be and think about what you're going to change. You always make a little room for the unknown, which is the fun part and get creative.

在这一切中，常规又是什么呢？拥有一个坚实的惯例是不是有价值的呢？因为当风暴来袭时，它至少可以让我有个依靠。是的，我尽量避免用“惯例”这个词，因为我觉得这个词会让人产生很多固有的观念。我想说的是，如果你能为自己留出一些时间，仅仅属于你自己的时间，让你独自与自己相处。对我来说，我的惯例是在早上有两个小时。这段时间完全属于我，我用来调整我的大脑和身体。我会思考当天要做的事情以及我打算如何度过这一天。理清思路后，我会进行冥想。对我来说，冥想是为了超越自己、改变自己，然后去创造。我并不介意你是在早上还是晚上做这件事。我是一个习惯早起的人，一直如此。但我有一些朋友，他们是艺术家和音乐家，甚至我的孩子们，他们更习惯晚上，他们富有创意，喜欢夜晚。这对我来说无关紧要。关键是，你选一个合适的时间，可以思考自己想成为什么样的人，以及不再想成为什么样的人，考虑你要改变什么。永远留一点空间给未知，这才是有趣的部分，同时也去发挥创造力。

One of the things I'm proud of in our community, I'm really proud of the fact that people do the work. Everybody does the work. It's not like I have to make them do it. When I ask them why do you do it every day? Aside from the majority of saying it makes me feel better, they typically say I don't want the magic to end. There's too many good things, too many good things going on in my life. I want to keep doing this as working for me. So it's not like I have to. It's a one-two. You talked earlier in about brain heart coherence. It's a term that I've not heard before. I didn't know that there was a connection between my brain and my heart. Oh, there's a definite connection between your brain and heart.

在我们的社区中，有一件事让我感到自豪，那就是每个人都主动工作。我不需要去强迫他们。当我问他们为什么每天坚持这么做时，大多数人都说这让他们感觉更好，他们通常会说他们不希望这种“魔法”结束。他们生活中有太多美好的事情，他们希望继续这样做，因为这对他们来说很有效。所以这并不是我必须要做的事情，而是一种自愿的选择。你之前提到过脑心协同，这是我以前没听过的一个术语。我不知道大脑和心脏之间有联系。哦，你的大脑和心脏之间确实存在着紧密的联系。

So we were so fascinated. This was February of 2020. I'll never forget it. We started when we were doing our electroencephalograms, our brain studies. We put a cardiac lead from the heart to the machine. We started looking at HRV in comparison to brain waves. And coherence is rhythm. So in waves, you're moving in rhythm like this. You can see that on the brain scan. They're very orderly. They're very rhythmic like that. So if you think of waves that are coherent, being very orderly and being very rhythmic, when they're out of order, like choppy and there are different parts of the brain or different rhythms, that's when the brain's in coherent. So when we started looking at training people had a broadness to sense space. When you're sensing space, the act of sensing and feeling causes you to stop analyzing and thinking. And if you're not analyzing and thinking, you start suppressing neocortical activity. Your brain will start to slow down.

我们当时非常着迷。那是2020年2月，我永远不会忘记。我们开始进行脑电图测试时，把心脏的电极连接到了机器上，开始比较心率变异性和脑电波。相干性就是一种节奏感。在脑波中，这种节奏就像这样有规律地移动。在脑部扫描中可以看到，它们非常有序，非常有节奏。如果你想到相干的波就是这样非常有序和有节奏的，而当它们变得无序的时候，就显得不稳定，脑中不同部分或不同节奏的波就混杂在一起，这就是脑波不相干的状态。所以当我们开始观察训练人们扩展感知空间的能力时，发现当你在感知空间时，这种感知和感觉的行为会让你停止分析和思考。而当你不进行分析和思考时，会开始抑制大脑皮层的活动，脑波就会开始变慢。

In beta, you know, you're aware that you're a body, local, in space, and time. That's low level beta. Like we're talking right now. We're in low level beta. If I said, Stephen, I'm going to give you a quiz. And you're going to have to take the quiz in front of your audience. And you kind of perk up a little bit. Your brain would get a little bit more roused than the light bulb would get a little brighter. And you'd move into mid range beta. That's like when you're going to give a speech or you're at a dinner and you don't know people, you're kind of, you're kind of be a little bit more aware. Just for people that can't see this because they might be listening to an ODI. So beta is conscious awareness.

在低水平的β状态中，你知道自己是一个有形的个体，存在于特定的空间和时间中。这种状态就像我们现在这样对话时的状态。在低水平的β状态下，如果我说，Stephen，我要给你出个测验，并且你得在观众面前答题，你可能会有点振奋。你的大脑会更加活跃，仿佛灯泡变得更亮，你就会进入中等水平的β状态。这就像你要演讲或者参加晚宴时，周围都是陌生人，你会更加留意周围环境。对于看不到的人来说（可能是通过音频在听），β状态就是一种有意识的觉知。

Now in beta, the brain is trying to create meaning between what's going on in the outer world and what's going on in the inner world and it's processing all the sensory information. So a lot of data. So beta is like conscious and awake. And so there's low level beta. There's mid range beta. It's not on this chart. But high level beta is when you're fearful, when you're anxious, when you're angry, when you're in pain, when you're frustrated, when you're jealous, whatever. People get switched on in these high levels of beta. And that's when we get over focused.

现在处于测试阶段，大脑正在尝试在外部世界发生的事情和内在世界发生的事情之间创造联系，并处理所有的感官信息。这涉及大量的数据。因此，β脑波状态就像是清醒和有意识的状态。β脑波还有不同的水平，有低β水平和中等β水平。这在图表中没有展示。但是高水平β脑波出现于你感到恐惧、焦虑、生气、疼痛、沮丧或嫉妒的时候。人在这些高水平β脑波状态下会变得特别活跃，注意力会过分集中。

You've ever been under stress. You start over focusing. That's because you're narrowing your focus and you're over focusing. And that's kind of a brain state. And so when you broaden your awareness, and instead of narrowing your focus on something physical or material, that's what the stress hormones do. But if you broaden your awareness and you sense space in you, this act of sensing causes you to no longer analyze and think in your brain waves start to move into alpha.

你可能体验过压力，当时你会开始过度专注。这是因为你在缩小你的注意力范围，导致过度专注，这可以说是一种大脑状态。如果你能够扩大你的意识，而不是把注意力狭隘地集中在某个具体的或物质的事物上，因为这正是压力荷尔蒙促使你做的事情。但如果你能扩展你的意识，感受到内心的空间，这种感知的行为会让你不再进行分析和思考，而是让你的脑波开始进入α波状态。

Now, an alpha, which is this brain wave, it's a slower brain wave state. That's the creative state of the brain. The brain sees more in pictures, more in images. It's more imaginary, right? In beta, there's a voice talking to you in the back of your head all the time saying, this is right and this is wrong. You got this and you got that to do. That's the critic kind of in our brain. When you get beyond beta brain waves and you move into alpha, you start opening the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind.

现在，阿尔法波是一种较慢的脑波状态，这是大脑的创造性状态。在这种状态下，大脑更倾向于以图像和画面的形式思考，想象力更为丰富。而在贝塔波状态中，脑海深处总有个声音在说，"这是对的，那是错的，你得做这个，还得做那个"。这就像我们脑中的批评者。当你超越贝塔脑波，进入阿尔法状态时，就好像在打开意识与潜意识之间的通道。

Now we're not just looking for any type of alpha, but we're looking for coherent alpha. So we want all those compartments that were firing in different rhythms and different frequencies. All of a sudden start doing this. So now the whole entire brain starts moving into what's called global coherence. Now, when the brain starts synchronizing like that, what sinks in the brain starts to link in the brain and the whole brain starts to fire one neurological network and that's what our data shows.

现在，我们不仅仅是在寻找任何类型的阿尔法波，而是在寻找一致的阿尔法波。我们希望所有那些以不同节奏和频率活动的部分，突然开始同步运作。这样一来，整个大脑就进入了所谓的全球一致性状态。当大脑开始如此同步时，大脑中的不同活动开始连接起来，整个大脑像一个神经网络一样共同运作，这正是我们的数据所显示的。

Now, that's not the end. That's just when you're moving into an imaginary state and people do this, but a lot of people move into alpha, but it's not coherent. So we're looking for a co here and alpha. Now, many of the people that are meditating really well, they can relax their body so well and they can feel so safe that their body moves into a light rest or a light sleep while they're still awake. So it's relaxed and awake. In that realm, you're in a hypnotic state.

现在，这并不是终结。那只是当你进入一种想象状态，人们经常这样，但很多人进入的是α脑波状态，但并不连贯。因此，我们追求的是一种连贯的α脑波状态。很多进行良好冥想的人，他们能够如此放松身体，感到非常安全，以至于身体在他们仍然清醒的情况下进入轻度休息或轻度睡眠。因此，这是一种放松而清醒的状态。在这种状态下，你处于一种催眠状态。

You're in theta brain waves. And then theta now lights are shut out in the thinking Neil Cortes, that plugs us into three dimension reality. The identity's gone. The character is gone. There's no activity there. Now the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information and now we're suggestible to information. And now we're in the operating system, we can get into the subconscious mind and rewrite a program. We could rehearse a new script.

你现在处于θ脑波状态。在这种状态下，思维的新皮层活动被关闭，这使我们进入三维现实的意识消失。此时，个人身份和角色不再存在，任何活动都停止了。现在，意识和潜意识之间的大门完全打开，可以接收新的信息，我们对信息变得易于接受。处于这种"操作系统"中，我们可以进入潜意识并重写程序，或者重新排练一个新的剧本。

We can tell a new story. And instead of the story of the past, we can tell the story of our future. And we can program our subconscious mind and our autonomic nervous system to begin to change our biology. Now, go too far past theta and you fall into delta and our lights are out. You're in a catatonic state and you're unconscious. And so we kind of do this when we go to bed at night, we go from beta to alpha to theta to delta.

我们可以讲述一个新的故事。与其讲述过去的故事，不如讲述我们未来的故事。我们可以编程我们的潜意识和自主神经系统，开始改变我们的生物状态。然而，如果太过深入进入 theta 波状态，就会进入 delta 波状态，此时我们会失去意识，进入一种无反应的状态。这实际上和我们每晚入睡时的过程相似，我们从 beta 波逐渐过渡到 alpha 波、theta 波，最后到 delta 波。

And if you're under stress and you're in high beta, you can't sleep. And you can't sleep because you're thinking and you can't drop through brain waves. When we wake up in the morning, go from delta to theta to alpha to beta. So there's two times that the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens up. What does this have to do with brain and heart coherence?

如果你处于压力之下，并且大脑活动处于高度的β波状态，你就无法入睡。因为你一直在思考，所以无法进入更深层次的大脑波动状态。我们早上醒来的时候，大脑会从δ波（深睡眠状态）转变为θ波（浅睡眠或冥想状态），然后再到α波（放松状态），最后到β波（清醒集中状态）。有两个时刻我们的大脑意识和潜意识之间的门会打开。这和大脑与心脏的和谐有什么关系呢？

Well, in theta, when a person is in that state where their attention is on their heart and energy is in their heart, it's natural for the heart to tell the brain to get creative. It's time to imagine. It's time to fall in love with a future. Now the heart is the creative center, right? It's the part of our biology that allows the brain to begin, the frontal lobe to begin to create. So you get the heart and the brain kind of working together. The more it lacks you getting your heart, the more awake you get in the brain, something beautiful happens in the brain.

当一个人处于某种专注于心灵和能量集中的状态时，他们的大脑会受到心灵的启发，变得更具创造力。这就是想象的时刻，是爱上未来的时刻。心灵是我们的创造中心，对吗？它是促使大脑，尤其是额叶开始创造的生物部分。所以，当心灵和大脑协同工作时，你的心灵开启得越多，大脑就越活跃，并且在大脑中会产生一些美妙的事情。

If the person can sustain this, and they're in that theta state, theta becomes the carrier wave. And right within the brain, you start to see alpha waves building on theta waves and then alpha waves in harmonics into beta waves and harmonics into high beta and then high beta ultimately into gamma. And now the person is relaxed and very awake because gamma is super consciousness. It is super awareness.

如果一个人能够维持这种状态，并处于 theta 状态中，那么 theta 就成为了载波。在大脑中，你会开始看到 alpha 波在 theta 波的基础上生成，接着 alpha 波的泛音变成 beta 波，然后是高 beta 波的泛音，最后高 beta 波演变成 gamma 波。此时，这个人既放松又高度清醒，因为 gamma 是超级意识，是超级觉知。

So the formula of being relaxed and awake and synchronizing your heart to your brain causes the brain to move into a state of what's called resonance. And resonance is when you have waves on top of waves harmonics. And the brain starts functioning on more resonance state. Sometimes even people have delta as the base carrying theta, theta carrying alpha and alpha carrying beta to high beta to gamma. And they're all waves within waves. And as those waves come together, if they're coherent, they interfere and create a bigger wave. And then those waves come together and they interfere and they create bigger waves. And that's exactly how the energy in the brain goes up.

如此一来，放松且清醒的状态会让您的心脏与大脑同步，使大脑进入一种被称为共振的状态。共振就是当波浪叠加在波浪之上形成和谐的状态。大脑开始在更为共振的状态下运作。有时候，人们甚至会在以德尔塔波为基础波的情况下，携带着西塔波，而西塔波携带着阿尔法波，阿尔法波再携带着贝塔波，从高贝塔波到伽马波，所有这些波都是波中有波。当这些波结合在一起，如果它们是相干的，就会互相干涉并形成更大的波。然后这些波再结合在一起，它们继续互相干涉并形成更大的波，这正是大脑能量提高的方式。

So we have brain scans of people whose gamma brain waves are 200, 300, 400 standard deviations outside of normal. I'll give you an idea. Three standard deviations outside of normal is 2% of the population. So they're processing an enormous amount of energy in their brain. And it feels really good, really good. So we practice a lot synchronizing the heart to the brain. If you do like MDMA or something, does that put you into some of these brain waves? I'm wondering if any psychedelics are inducing of these states?

我们有一些人的大脑扫描显示，他们的伽马脑波比正常值高出200、300、400个标准差。给你一个概念来说，超过正常值三个标准差的人群只占2%。所以，这些人正在大脑中处理巨大的能量，并且这种感觉非常好，非常愉悦。所以，我们经常练习让心脏和大脑同步。如果你服用MDMA或者类似的东西，这会让你进入这种脑波状态吗？我在想是否有一些迷幻药可以引发这种状态？

We're going to do a comparative study actually this year with psychedelics and meditation. I can answer that question more definitively. What we do know from FMRI studies with psilocybin is that the default mode that work in the brain. The one I was talking about earlier that so is the brain's predictor that shuts off with psilocybin. And that's exactly what we see in our advanced meditators and our FMRIs that those people that are having a mystical experience right in the MRI looks like they're taking psilocybin. The same exact brain circuits are turned off.

今年，我们计划进行一项关于迷幻药和冥想的比较研究。这样我可以更明确地回答这个问题。从功能性磁共振成像（FMRI）研究中，我们了解到，与裸盖菇素(psilocybin)相关的默认模式在大脑中关闭。正如我之前提到的，这就是大脑的预测机制。在使用裸盖菇素时，这一机制会关闭。我们的高级冥想者和他们的FMRI显示，他们在进行冥想时的大脑状态就像是在服用裸盖菇素一样。相同的大脑回路被关闭。

On this theta wave, you're talking about how that's really where a lot of the reprogramming can happen. So do I need to be in that state and then be exposed to some kind of stimulus sound? Good question. Good question. Well, I'll answer it in three ways. First way is when you're conscious in your subconscious mind and you're trained to imagine whatever it is that you want, you're going to begin to signal your autonomic nervous system. To start manufacturing chemicals equal to your intention. In other words, the intention of whatever you're thinking about acts as information that begins to change your biology.

在这段话中，你提到θ波状态是进行大量重新编程的地方。那么，我是否需要处于这种状态，然后接触某种刺激音呢？这是个好问题。让我从三个方面来回答。首先，当你处于意识清醒的潜意识状态，并且能够训练自己想象出你想要的东西时，你会开始向自己的自主神经系统发出信号。这会让你的身体开始制造与这种意图相应的化学物质。换句话说，你所思考的意图会作为信息，开始改变你的生物状态。

So theta is a great way to open up the door. We also use theta when we want to program people because it's a hypnotic state to a mystical experience. If you're in that state, remember when you're suggestible, you accept, believe and surrender to information as if it's the truth without analyzing it. And that's what programs people's biology. So you can program somebody into believing they need a drug and you can program somebody to believe in just about anything, but you could also program them for a mystical experience. And that's what we do.

所以，θ波是一种很好的打开大门的方式。当我们想要对人进行编程时，我们也会使用θ波，因为这是一种从催眠状态到神秘体验的过程。如果你处于这种状态中，要记住你会变得很容易接受，他人所提供的信息会被你不假思索地接受、相信和接纳，就好像这些信息都是真实的一样。而这就是如何对人的生物系统进行编程的原因。因此，你可以让某人相信他们需要某种药物，或者让他们相信几乎任何事情，同时你也可以编程让他们经历神秘的体验。这就是我们所做的。

So we can do that by giving them information when they're in that hypnotic state. They're very suggestible, but we're only going to do it in a way that's going to be beneficial to them. And then the third way is something that we really discovered that we weren't expecting. Let's see how I can say this and make it simple. There's particle in wave. There's matter and energy. And so if all of your attention is on this free dimensional world, you're unaware of energy.

我们可以在他们处于催眠状态时向他们提供信息来做到这一点。在这种状态下，他们很容易受到暗示，但我们只会以对他们有益的方式进行。第三种方法是我们意外发现的，让我试着用简单的方式来表达。世界上有粒子和波动，有物质和能量。所以，如果你的全部注意力都放在这个三维世界上，你就不会意识到能量的存在。

So have a person close their eyes and take their attention off of everything physical, everything material, everything known and go from a narrow focus to a broadened focus. And as they sense the space, they're actually putting their attention on that invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses, the quantum field, right? And that field is carrying an enormous amount of information. So when a person moves into theta, and I asked them to open their awareness, if they're in a certain range of theta, we can just about predict 100% of the time that that person is going to connect to information.

让一个人闭上眼睛，把注意力从所有物质的、已知的事物上转移开，从狭窄的注意力转向更广泛的关注。当他们感知到空间时，其实是在把注意力放在超越我们感官的无形能量场上，即量子场。这个场携带着大量的信息。所以，当一个人进入到theta脑波状态时，我让他们打开意识，如果他们处于某个范围内的theta，我们几乎可以100%预测到这个人会连接到信息。

Now, not information coming from their senses like a hypnotist could put you in a transcend theta and give you suggestions and could program you. But you're still in the same state that hypnotic state, but your eyes are closed. There's music playing in the background. You're not eating, you're not tasting, you're not smelling, you're not feeling with your body, but you're still suggestible to information. There's only one other place you can find information and that's frequency. And frequency carries information.

现在，你接收到的信息并不是来自于感官，就像催眠师可以让你进入一种超越的θ状态，给你暗示并对你进行编程。但即使在这种催眠状态下，你的眼睛是闭着的，背景播放着音乐，你没有进食、没有品尝、没有闻到气味，也没有用身体感受，但是你仍然能接受信息。除此之外，还有一个地方可以获取信息，那就是频率。频率能够携带信息。

So when a person starts to connect to energy, to frequency and the thinking of cortex is dialed down, the moment they connect to that energy and frequency, the brain goes into these very, very high states of gamma brainwave patterns. They're connecting to a greater level of energy, a greater level of order. And they arousal that felt when they have this connection, which is normally typically fear or anger or pain, the arousal is ecstasy. The arousal is bliss. That's the, they say, I don't have the words to describe the feeling that I just had, right? So they're dipping closer to source. They're dipping closer to a greater energy and frequency. And it's being reflected in their biology.

当一个人开始连接到能量和频率，并且大脑皮层的思维活动被调低时，他们一连接到这种能量和频率，脑部就会进入非常高的伽马脑波模式。他们正在连接到更高层次的能量和秩序。他们在这种连接时感受到的激动，通常是恐惧、愤怒或痛苦，但现在这种激动感是狂喜，是极乐。他们说，他们无法用语言描述刚才的感觉。这意味着他们更接近源头，更接近一种更高的能量和频率。这种状态也反映在他们的生物机能中。

When we see people move into these elegant states of high gamma, it's primarily in their autonomic nervous system. It's very fast and it's very coherent. Now, if stress is autonomic dysregulation and they're functioning in a very, very high energetic state in their autonomic nervous system, coherent gamma brain waves, then there's an enormous amount of autonomic regulation. And the autonomic nervous system controls and coordinates all other systems. Now, watch out because now the tuning fork is sending information to every cell and tissue and organ in the body. And when people move into these states, many times when they come back, they get a biological upgrade.

当我们观察到人们进入这些高度伽马波的优雅状态时，这主要发生在他们的自主神经系统中。这种状态反应非常迅速而且一致。如果说压力是自主神经系统的失调，而在这种状态下，他们的自主神经系统表现出非常高的能量水平和一致的伽马脑波，这就意味着他们的自主神经系统得到了极好的调节。自主神经系统协调和控制着其他所有系统。需要注意的是，这时如同音叉一样的信息正在传递到身体的每一个细胞、组织和器官。当人们进入这种状态时，很多时候在他们回归之后，会经历一种生物学上的提升。

Somehow energy starts to inform matter and the whole body is lifted by light, by lifted by frequency. When we draw the blood from people who have these kind of moments, we look for information in the blood. There's information in the blood that we've discovered that stops the COVID virus from entering the cell. We've isolated the protein that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. In other words, we've done the studies called the adoptive transfers. We've taken advanced meditators blood and we've put it in a culture with ACE2 receptors, cells that have ACE2 receptors and then exposed the ACE2 receptor to the to a pseudo virus, like a COVID virus.

不知为何，能量开始影响物质，全身都被光和频率所提升。当我们从经历过类似时刻的人身上提取血液时，我们寻找血液中的信息。我们发现血液中有一种信息，可以阻止新冠病毒进入细胞。我们已经分离出一种蛋白质，可以抑制病毒入侵细胞。换句话说，我们进行了所谓的过继转移研究。我们取了高级冥想者的血液，将其放在一个含有ACE2受体的细胞培养基中，然后将ACE2受体暴露在类似新冠病毒的伪病毒环境中。

In advanced meditators, we noticed that the virus couldn't enter the cell. It was stuck to the outside of the cell and we isolated a protein in the advanced meditators blood that inhibits the virus from entering the cell. Those people that have those transcendental moments, as I said, 84% of them, 84% of them have information in their blood that causes the mitochondrial function and glycolytic function and cancer cells to shut off. There's information in the blood for neurogenesis for the microbiome completely changed that the end of seven days, completely different microbiome. Without changing their diet at all, they're still leading the same food, but they're not the same person.

在高级冥想者身上，我们注意到病毒无法进入细胞。病毒被困在细胞外面，我们在这些高级冥想者的血液中分离出一种蛋白质，这种蛋白质可以抑制病毒进入细胞。具有超然时刻的人中，有84%的人，他们血液中的某种信息可以关闭线粒体功能和癌细胞的糖酵解功能。血液中含有关于神经再生的信息，在七天结束时，他们的肠道微生物群发生了完全的改变，变得与之前截然不同。这些变化不需要改变饮食，他们依然吃着相同的食物，但他们已经不再是原来的那个人。

There's some kind of change that creates a lot of probiotic microbes. I remember reading a study of Wimhoff, the iceman, where they injected him with a virus and I think they injected other people with the virus and through his breathwork in meditations and whatever else he did, the virus didn't infect him, but it infected the other people. Then I think in the study, he trained other people to be able to reject the virus as well. All of this sounds a little bit woo-woo to the average person because to think that you can do something to prevent a virus infecting you, it blows the doors open to personal responsibility and you know, troubling for people.

在某种变化的影响下，会产生大量的益生菌。我记得曾读过一项关于“冰人”温霍夫的研究。在研究中，他们给温霍夫注射了一种病毒，并也给其他人注射了该病毒。通过他的呼吸练习、冥想和其他一些方法，病毒没有感染温霍夫，但却感染了其他人。然后，我想在研究中，他还教导其他人也能抵抗病毒。对普通人来说，这一切听起来有点不可思议，因为认为通过某些方法可以预防病毒感染，这超出了个人责任的常规思维，也让人们感到不安。

Well, we published the paper, it got published in a scientific journal, people can see it online. Well, if you keep practicing being greater than your environment, it'll be greater than your environment. That's just how it is. In other words, if your response to your environment doesn't weaken you but strengthens you, then the innate intelligence of your body will have an intelligence that will cause you to be greater than your environment right down to the microbe. And that is where you keep referencing the time advanced meditator because you don't say normal meditators.

好，我们发表了这篇论文，它已经在一个科学期刊上发表了，人们可以在网上看到。如果你不断练习超越你的环境，那么你就会超越你的环境。这就是事实。换句话说，如果你对环境的反应不是削弱自己，而是增强自己，那么你身体内在的智慧就会让你比环境更强，甚至在对抗微生物时也是如此。这就是为什么你会一直提到那些时间更久的高级冥想者，而不是普通的冥想者。

Well, what I will say is I'll say, well, it's kind of funny. When I use that term, I can only use that term because many people that come to our week-long retreats, Stephen, they're novices. They've never really meditated before. They're spousers. They're boyfriend and girlfriend brought them or their co-work or their friend. They're just kind of like whatever. I don't really know what I'm getting myself into. The novice meditator who just kind of practices a little bit that goes through the immersive experience at the end of seven days, their brains look like advanced meditators.

好的，我会说，这有点有趣。用这个词是因为很多来参加我们一周静修会的人，斯蒂芬，他们都是新手。他们从未真正冥想过。他们是被伴侣、男女朋友、同事或朋友带来的，他们只是有点无所谓，不太清楚自己究竟要面对什么。这些初学冥想的人，只是稍微练习一下，经过七天的沉浸式体验，他们的大脑看起来就像是高级冥想者。

At the end of seven days, their biology, their blood values look like they've been meditating for years. In other words, at the end of seven days, those meditators that were novice meditators that look like advanced meditators are upregulating thousands of genes in their biology to suggest that they're living in a whole new life, a whole new environment, and they're in a ballroom. And there's nothing very stimulating about a ballroom. So whatever they're doing inside of them, inside of themselves, somehow is causing dramatic changes.

经过七天后，他们的生理状况和血液指标看起来就像是已经冥想多年的人。换句话说，在七天结束时，那些原本是冥想新手的人看起来已经像是冥想高手。他们体内数千个基因的活动显示出他们似乎正生活在一个全新的生活环境中。而他们所处的只是一个普通的舞厅，舞厅里并没有什么特别刺激的东西。所以，无论他们在内心做了些什么，都在不知不觉中引发了巨大的变化。

Now, we looked at a group of people. We looked at their genotype and genes make proteins. And your gene expression is different than mine, different than every single person. So everybody has their own unique genotype, which means they all make their own individual proteins. At the end of seven days, when we looked at those meditators, the end of seven days, almost 80% of the population was making the same genes and the same proteins. They were signaling the same genes and making the same proteins. What does that mean? That means when people behaved in the same way, there's an emergent consciousness that comes forth that's reflected in people's biology, the flock, the herd, the tribe, everybody's evolving together biologically.

现在，我们研究了一组人群。我们观察了他们的基因型，基因会生成蛋白质。你的基因表达与我的不同，也与每一个人的不同，所以每个人都有自己独特的基因型，这意味着每个人都生成自己独特的蛋白质。但在冥想了七天后，当我们观察这些冥想者时，发现近80%的人在生成相同的基因和相同的蛋白质。他们触发了相同的基因，生成了相同的蛋白质。这意味着什么？这意味着当人们以相同的方式行为时，会出现一种新兴的意识，这种意识在人的生物学中得以体现，就像一个群体、一个团队或一个部落一样，大家的生物状态在一起进化。

At these retreats, the seven day retreats, one of the things I was pretty shocked by was the amount of time people spend meditating. How long do people spend meditating and why is that important? Our events are a spiritual rave. That's the best way I can describe it. I mean, we started six in a morning and we finished at seven or eight at night and the days go by extremely fast. There's standing and walking meditations. We do sometimes four or five of them, sometimes six at a week long an event. Why? Because you've got to one body it. You got to get really good at doing it with your eyes open. Would you lay down meditations after we get people to a certain point where I know they're not going to fall asleep when they lay down?

在这些为期七天的静修中，有一件事让我非常震惊，那就是人们花在冥想上的时间。大家到底花多长时间冥想，为什么这很重要？我们的活动就像一场精神派对，这是我能想到的最佳描述。我们早上六点开始，晚上七八点结束，而一天的时间过得飞快。活动包括站立和行走冥想，我们有时会每天进行四到五次，有时一个星期长的活动会进行六次。为什么？因为你需要身体参与其中。你必须在睁着眼睛的情况下变得非常擅长。我们还会在确保人们躺下不会入睡的情况下进行躺着的冥想。

Then we do some big meditations that are a little bit more longer, but people are up and down the whole entire time. None of the meditations will ever be done without knowledge beforehand because knowledge is the precursor to the experience. So it's an immersive experience. It turns out to be about 35 hours of meditation when it's all said and done, but you ask anybody who does a week long event, they'll say, I can't wait to get back into my life and start my practice because what I was doing when I got here was nothing like I'm doing now.

然后，我们进行一些相对较长的大型冥想，但整个过程中，人们总是坐坐起起。在开始冥想之前，我们都会先进行知识讲解，因为知识是体验的前提。这是一次沉浸式的体验。整体算下来，一周下来大约要进行35个小时的冥想。不过，你去问任何参加过一周活动的人，他们都会说，迫不及待想回到自己的生活中，开始练习，因为他们到这里之前做的冥想和现在的完全不同。

So now they're more equipped. Really, they're kind of in a different body. They're walking back into a new life and they're not on the same line of time any longer. That's the experience that I can profess to be true in my own relationship in life because my partner came back from the meditations. She came back from the week in Miami where she was doing the walking meditations down the beach and so on and it didn't stop there. In fact, that was really the start of her journey because every morning now she has this new routine where she meditates in the morning and no one's telling her to do that, but clearly the benefit has been so great for her that she's continued the practice and she does it every day.

所以现在他们更有能力了。事实上，他们就像换了一个身体，他们正在步入新生活，不再处于同一条时间线上。这就是我能在自己的生活关系中感受到的真实经历，因为我的伴侣从冥想中回来后，她仿佛脱胎换骨。她刚从迈阿密参加完为期一周的冥想回来，在海滩上进行行走冥想等等，但这并没有就此结束。事实上，那只是她旅程的开始，因为现在她每天早晨都有一个新的惯例，那就是冥想。没有人要求她这样做，但显然这个习惯给她带来了巨大的益处，以至于她坚持每天都进行冥想。

I'm so amazed by it because it takes a certain. It takes a certain. I was going to say the word discipline, but it's not discipline because if you're so clear on the benefit of an action, you don't necessarily need discipline. It's just clearly done so much for her that she's continued to do it thereafter. And it's funny because obviously she came back from it. I was supposed to attend a Hadoviza issue. She came back from it and told me about the process and her recounting it like objectively, you go, God, that must have been hard and uncomfortable or that must have been whatever, but her experience was very much the opposite.

我对此感到非常惊讶，因为这需要某种特质。我本来想说是“自律”，但这其实不是自律。如果你非常清楚一个行动的好处，你不一定需要自律。这对她的好处是显而易见的，所以她才继续坚持下去。有趣的是，她从那里回来后，本来我应该去参加一个Hadoviza的活动，她回来后告诉我这个过程。客观地说，你可能会觉得那一定很艰难或让人不舒服，但她的体验完全相反。

It was joyous. It was filling. She came back so unbelievably obsessed with this new set of sort of systems and information that could better her life. And it's really profound. Like you can hear it on a podcast, but then when you kind of witness it in someone, someone you know well and love, it's incredibly persuasive. Yeah. Well, that I mean, that's what I want. I want people to walk out into their life and not say you need to shorten the refractory period of your emotional responses, you need to forgive, and you need to get your brain or heart coherent.

这是一种喜悦和充实的体验。她回来时，对这一套新的系统和信息着迷得难以置信，这些东西能够改善她的生活。这真的很深刻。在播客上你可能会听到这样的内容，但当你在生活中亲眼看到，尤其是发生在你所熟悉和爱的人身上时，这种影响是极具说服力的。是的，这就是我希望的效果。我希望人们能够走进自己的生活，而不是说你需要缩短情绪反应的冷静期、需要宽恕、需要让大脑或心脏达到某种和谐。

I don't want anybody in my work to do that. I want them to walk out into the world and be the example. So so much so that people go, what's. What's up with you? You're different. Like, you know, you're you seem different. You know, what is it? You know, and that's when I think the real conversation starts. So that's that's that it's instrumental when it becomes instrumental and you apply it to your life and it's working for you is it's not a half to as I said. It's something that you really enjoy doing and wow, what a crazy sovereign idea that you could actually make yourself happy. What a crazy idea when you when you hit those gamma moments where you feel a level of love that you've never felt in your entire life by connecting the source, which is pure love. I just stop looking for it outside of you. You start realizing it's within you. That's a big moment, right?

我不希望我的同事做那样的事情。我希望他们走出自己的世界，成为一个榜样。这样别人就会问：“你怎么了？你有什么不一样？”这时，真正的对话才会开始。因为当这种做法成为你生活的一个重要部分，并且对你起作用时，你就不会觉得这是必须做的事情，而是你真正享受的东西。多么疯狂的想法，当你意识到你能让自己快乐时。这是一种不可思议的主权概念。当你达到那些“伽马”时刻，感受到前所未有的爱的程度，因为你与源头——纯粹的爱——相连，你会停止在外界寻找这种爱，而是意识到它存在于你内心。这是一个重要的时刻，对吧？

Because then you won't you won't need anybody or anything. That's that's freedom. That's unconditional love, right? And you'll get out of want. Use that time a few times. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like like want like we've been trained to create based on lack. That's what we do in three dimensional reality and three dimensional realities. You see someone that you that has a sports car and you don't have one and you like that sports car. All of a sudden you want that sports car. Your brain starts creating based on lack of not having it. You see someone in a scarf and you like that scarf and next thing you know, you're wearing that scarf. Your brain imagines you having it, right? But the way we get it in three dimensional reality is we have to do something. This is the plane of demonstration.

因为这样你就不需要任何人或任何东西了。这就是自由，这就是无条件的爱，对吧？这样你就能摆脱欲望。多次运用这种心态，是的，我的意思是，我们通常是在缺乏的基础上去创造。这就是我们在三维现实中的行为方式。在三维现实中，你看到某人有辆跑车，而你没有，你喜欢那辆跑车，于是你突然想要那辆跑车。你的大脑开始基于对跑车的缺乏感来创造。你看到某人戴着围巾，你很喜欢，然后你开始想象自己也戴上了那条围巾。然而，在三维现实中，我们必须采取行动才能获得这些东西。这是一个展示（或行动）的层面。

So then when we finally get the scarf and we finally get the car, the experience of getting the car produces the emotion that takes away the lack or separation of not having it. So some people spend their whole life in lack waiting for the thing that come around to take away the the feeling of lack or separation, right? My message is not that. My message is actually to create in a different way in such a way that you feel like it has already happened. Now, the power behind all of that is that the person now who's in that state where they're feeling like the event has already happened, they no longer want it because they're feeling the emotion.

当我们终于得到围巾和汽车时，这种获得汽车的体验产生了情感，消除了没有它时的缺乏感或分离感。有些人一生都在缺乏中度过，期待那个能消除这种缺乏感或分离感的东西出现，对吧？但我的信息不是这样的。我的信息是，要以一种不同的方式去创造，让你感觉事情已经发生了。这样做的力量在于，那些感觉事情已经发生的人不再渴望它，因为他们已经体验到了这种情感。

But how could they they wouldn't be looking for it? You only look for it when you experience lack. If you feel like it's already happened, you're no longer separate from it. And we cannot attract anything in our life. We feel separate from. And so feeling that emotion somehow starts to draw things to us. And now we're not having to do anything. The things are starting to come to us. That's the synchronicities. That's the coincidences. That's the opportunities. We're not doing anything. They're coming to us. And that's so so you can't when you create from that quantum field instead of from matter, you can't create from lack because the thought of your wealth and the quantum produces the feeling of abundance.

但是，他们怎么可能找到它呢？你只有在感到缺乏的时候才会去寻找。如果你觉得它已经发生了，你就不再与它分离。我们无法吸引任何我们感到分离的东西到我们的生活中。因此，那种情感会在某种程度上开始吸引事物向我们靠近。现在，我们不必做任何事情，这些事物开始朝我们而来。这就是同步性、巧合和机会。我们什么都没做，它们自己就过来了。这就是为什么当你从量子领域而不是物质中创造时，你不能从缺乏中创造，因为你关于财富的想法和量子会产生富足感。

The thought of your wealth and three-dimensional reality for many people produces the lack of not having it. So in the quantum, there's a whole different set of rules. And it's not something that you learn right away. It's that you learn from trial and error. So then when we create, truly create in the act of creation. And we are creating from the field instead of from matter to shorten the distance between the thought of what we want and experience of having it. The only way that we can do that is we can create from lack. So in the creative process we create from wholeness. My concern when I hear that is, well, do it if I no longer want, if I no longer live in a state of want, am I going to have the motivation to get up and go?

许多人想到你的财富和三维现实时，会感到自己没有这些东西。量子领域中有一套完全不同的规则，而这不是你立即就能学会的，而是通过不断尝试错误中学到的。当我们真正创造时，我们是在创造的行为中创造。从而我们是从能量场中创造，而不是依赖物质，这样可以缩短我们想要某物的想法与实际拥有它之间的距离。唯一能做到这一点的方法是，我们不能从缺乏中创造。所以在创造的过程中，我们是从完整性中创造。我担心的事情是，如果我不再有想要的状态，我是否还会有动力去努力工作呢？

Because I look at my life and go, well, it was you're creating from a place of lack that motivated you to start a podcast and to start run businesses and do all of these things and get a car and whatever else. No, I'm not disputing that. I think you do that for a while. You do that for a while and I always tell people, I don't care what you want to create. I just want you to get really good at creating. I don't care if it's, I don't care what it is well, I don't care what it is cars, you know, whatever it is, vacations, houses, I don't care. Just get good at creating. But sooner or later that the novelty will wear off on all of that and you'll you'll want to know that on some level there's more.

因为我反思我的生活，发现自己是因为缺乏而开始创造，所以才被驱动去做播客、经营公司、买车等。对此我没有异议。我认为你可能会这样做一阵子。我总是告诉大家，我不在乎你想创造什么，我只希望你能在创造这件事情上变得非常拿手。我不在乎那是什么——无论是汽车、度假、房子，都无所谓。重要的是要擅长创造。不过，迟早这些新鲜感会消退，你会想了解更多、更深层次的东西。

So so you we always desire things. We always want things. But when we're in the creative process, we cannot create from the lack of not having it. We have to create from the feeling of having it, right? And so in the quantum, you got to feel it to experience it. This one change has transformed how my team and I move, train and think about our bodies. When Dr. Daniel Lieberman came on the diover CEO, he explained how modern issues with their cushioning and support are making our feet weaker and less capable of doing what nature intended them to do. We've lost the natural strength and mobility in our feet and this is leading to issues like back pain and knee pain. I'd already purchased a pair of Vivo barefoot shoes so I showed them to Daniel Lieberman and he told me that they were exactly the type of shoe that would help me restore natural foot movement and rebuild my strength.

我们总是渴望得到一些东西，总是想要一些东西。但是，当我们处于创造的过程中时，我们不能从缺乏这些东西的感觉中去创造。我们必须从拥有这些东西的感觉中去创造，对吧？在量子层面，你必须先感受到它才能体验到它。这种改变已经彻底改变了我和我的团队对于身体运动、训练和思考的方式。当Daniel Lieberman博士在一次对话中出席时，他解释了现代鞋子的缓冲和支撑如何导致我们的脚变得更弱，难以胜任自然赋予它们的功能。我们的脚已经失去了自然的力量和活动能力，这导致了背部疼痛和膝盖疼痛等问题。我已经购买了一双Vivo裸足鞋，并向Daniel Lieberman展示。他告诉我，这正是可以帮助我恢复自然足部运动和重建力量的鞋子类型。

But I think it was planter for shilters that I had where suddenly my feet started hurting all the time. And after that I decided to start strengthening my own foot by using the Vivo barefoot and research from Liverpool University has backed this up. They've shown that wearing Vivo barefoot shoes for six months can increase foot strength by up to 60%. Visit VivoBarefoot.com slash DOAC and use code DOAC20 for 20% off. That's a VivoBarefoot.com slash DOAC use code DOAC20. A strong body starts with strong feet. Quick one, I want to talk to you about our sponsor, Woop. A business I'm also an investor in and if you follow me on Instagram you probably notice that recently I've picked up running, which I'm very much enjoying and it started out as a challenge but it's now evolved into something I do almost daily. It is one of those things that's pushing me to be better every single day.

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When you say in the quantum, I was hoping you wouldn't go. Oh gosh. Because people are going to hear you say that and they're going to say, what do you mean by the quantum? Okay. The probability that we're perceiving the truth of reality is zero. That there's more information in the in material than they'll ever be in the material and that information that exists in the in material that the the senses cannot perceive. The senses can only perceive three-dimensional reality objects and things and places and people and bodies. There's an invisible field of energy that the atom is both particle matter and wave or energy, right? But all we see is the material element and the atom is 99.999.999.999.999.% information and energy and 0.0000001% matter.

当你提到“量子”时，我希望你不会感到困惑。因为人们会听到你说这个词，然后想问你：“你说的量子是什么意思？” 简单来说，我们感知到现实真相的可能性几乎为零。非物质世界的信息量远远超过物质世界，而这些信息是我们的感官无法感知的。感官只能感知三维的现实，例如物体、地点、人物和身体。实际上，有一个看不见的能量场，原子既是粒子，也是波（或能量）。但我们只能看到物质部分。原子99.999999999999%是信息和能量，仅有0.0000001%是物质。

So the brain has been shaped and molded from generations untold in living and survival by narrowing our focus on the material world, the stress hormones, heightened our senses and when we our senses are heightened, we become materialists. So living survival for thousands and thousands of years, energy is not important when you're being chased by T-Rex. Energy is not important when you're looking for food, right? You got to narrow your focus and and so the brain cannot perceive energy or frequency. So what we're seeing is really symbols or just out picturing of the most stable form of energy called matter and our senses collapse it into what appears to be material.

大脑经过无数代的适应和塑造，在生活和生存中，通过将注意力集中在物质世界上来应对压力荷尔蒙，从而增强了我们的感官。当我们的感官变得敏锐时，我们往往变得物质化。所以，经历了数千年的生存历程，当你被猛龙追赶或者寻找食物时，能量显得无关紧要。你必须聚焦于生存，因此大脑无法感知到能量或频率。我们所看到的实际上是能量最稳定形式——物质的符号或外在表现，而我们的感官将其转化为看似物质化的东西。

But the quantum field is that other field of energy and information that exists beyond our senses, beyond this material world whose signature is oneness, is signature's wholeness, who signature is connection, whose signature is love, pure love. And so if you spend your whole life with all of your attention on your body, your environment and time, all of your attention is in this three-dimensional reality that you got to play by the rules. And the rules are Newtonian physics. You got to predict everything. It's going to take time and energy for you to get everything you want in your life. Okay, you can get really good at that. You can get really good. You can get skilled. You can get trained. You can get coached. You can learn. You can go to school. You can learn from your mistakes. You can gather a lot of things. You can get really good at that.

量子场是另一种能量和信息的场，它超越了我们的感官，超越了这个物质世界，其特征是合一，是完整，是连接，是纯粹的爱。如果你一生都把注意力放在你的身体、环境和时间上，那你的注意力就完全集中在这个三维现实中，你必须遵循规则，而这些规则就是牛顿物理学。你需要预测一切，得到生活中想要的东西需要时间和精力。当然，你可以在这方面变得非常擅长。你可以通过训练、学习、得到指导，或者从错误中吸取教训来提高。你可以积累许多经验和事物，提升自己的技能，变得非常优秀。

But is there another way to create? Okay. Well Einstein said the field, the wave, the energy is the sole governing agency of the particle. Energy controls matter. He didn't say the particle controls the particle. He said the field controls the particle. If you change the information in the field, can you change the projection, the particle in three-dimensional reality? This is a holographic universe. Okay. So if the quantum field is an invisible field of energy that exists beyond our senses, beyond our body, our environment and time, then the only way we are going to connect to it is take all of our attention off our body, all of our attention off the environment.

但有没有其他创造的方法呢？好吧，爱因斯坦曾说过，场、波、能量是粒子的唯一主宰者。能量控制物质。他并没有说粒子控制粒子，而是说场控制粒子。如果你改变场中的信息，能否改变在三维现实中投影出的粒子呢？这是一个全息宇宙。那么，如果量子场是一个存在于我们感官之外、超越我们身体、环境和时间的无形能量场，那么我们连接到它的唯一方法就是不再关注我们的身体，不再关注我们的环境。

What's the environment made of? People, objects, things, places, and take all of your attention off of linear time. The predictable future and the familiar past and find the sweet spot of the generous present moment. That's the unknown. That's the door. That's the moment you become nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time. That is the moment you are pure consciousness.

环境由什么构成？人、物体、事物、地点，将你所有的注意力从线性的时间中转移出来。放下可预测的未来和熟悉的过去，找到那个慷慨的当下甜蜜之点。那是未知的，是开启之门。那是你成为无名、无人、无物、无处、无时的瞬间。那一刻，你就是纯粹的意识。

And it's no different than me saying to you, stay alive. I'm going to take away your eyesight. I'm going to take away your hearing. I'm going to take away your smell. I'm going to take away your taste. I'm going to take away your feeling with your body. And if I take away all of your senses, who are you? Your consciousness, right? Your consciousness, consciousness of what? Nothing. Nothing but what you. And the act of becoming conscious of nothing and becoming nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time is the eye of the needle. And that is the moment you're walking through the door to the quantum field.

这句话的中文翻译如下：这就像我对你说，要保持活着。我将夺走你的视力、听力、嗅觉、味觉和身体感觉。如果我夺走你所有的感官，你是谁？你就是你的意识，对吧？你的意识意识到什么？什么也没有。除了你自己。当你意识到一无所有，成为无名无物、无处无时的人时，这就是穿针引线的时刻。这一刻，你就走进了量子领域的大门。

And when you walk through that door, the game changes. It's all energy. It's all frequency. It's all vibration. It's all connected. It's all thought. It's all consciousness. It's all information, right? And so you got to train your brain like when you pass through, you're not you any longer. You're not your body any longer. You're your body here. You're pure consciousness. And that void or that vacuum or that nothing, whatever you want to call that, is rich in frequency and energy.

当你走过那扇门时，一切都改变了。这一切都是能量、都是频率、都是振动。它们是相连的，是思想，是意识，是信息，对吧？所以你必须训练你的大脑，当你走进去时，你不再是原来的自己，不再只是你的身体。你在这里的身体是纯粹的意识。而那个空白、真空或虚无——不管你怎么称呼它——都充满了丰富的频率和能量。

So I have people linger there without a name, without a skin color, without a gender, without a diet, without a face, without a past, without a social security number, without a profession, without being a mother or father or a kid, linger there is pure consciousness. Lay the character down and get comfortable in nothing in the unknown. Okay. Now that you're there, if it's all frequency and it's all energy, then the next thing we have to do then is get our brain coherent because thought is the electrical charge.

所以，我让人在那儿停留，没有名字，没有肤色，没有性别，没有饮食习惯，没有面孔，没有过去，没有社保号码，没有职业，不是母亲、父亲或孩子，只是在那儿以纯粹的意识存在。放下所有的角色，舒舒服服地待在未知的虚无中。好，现在你已经到了那里，如果一切都是频率，都是能量，那么接下来我们需要做的就是让我们的大脑连贯，因为思想就是电荷。

It's the impulse in the quantum field. And the feeling, the elevated emotion is the magnetic charge. If you take a thought in a feeling, an image in an emotion, a vision of the future with a coherent brain in a coherent heart, you had a whole new Wi-Fi signal. Now you're broadcasting new information into the field and you're connected to this field. Keep changing the information in the field. You're going to change the destiny of your experience in matter.

在量子场中，这是一个冲动。而这种感觉，高涨的情绪，就像磁场的电荷。如果你将一个想法结合一种感觉，一个图像与一种情绪，以及一个未来的愿景与协调一致的大脑和心灵结合在一起，那么你就会产生一个全新的Wi-Fi信号。现在，你正在向这个场域广播新的信息，并与你连接。持续改变场中的信息，你将改变在物质世界中经历的命运。

And so we teach people how to get to that place, get their brains and hearts coherent and learn how to create by changing the information in the field to ultimately create the experience they want in three-dimensional reality. And when there's a vibrational match between their energy in some potential in the quantum field and they're creating from the source of everything physical, why would they go anywhere to get it? If you're the source, you would draw to you.

因此，我们教人们如何达到那个状态，让他们的大脑和心灵达到一致，并通过改变场域中的信息来创造自己想要的三维现实体验。当他们的能量与量子场中的某个潜力之间达成振动匹配，并且他们是从所有物质的源头进行创造时，为什么还要去别的地方寻找呢？如果你就是源头，所需的东西自然会被吸引到你身边。

So then creating from the field instead of from matter can literally shorten the distance between the thought of what you want in the experience of having it. Instead of going and having to do something to get it, it starts coming to you. And that's another way to create. And they're going to all start with getting out of the future in the past and into the. The overcoming process, the first couple days is more valuable than all the gold in the world for people.

从能量场而不是从物质中创造，可以有效缩短从想要的念头到实际拥有它之间的距离。不再需要亲自去做些什么来得到它，它会开始主动出现在你面前。这是另一种创造的方式。所有这一切都始于不再沉迷于过去或未来，而是专注于当下。对于人们来说，这种克服习惯性思维的过程，前几天的体验比世界上的所有黄金都更有价值。

Don't you'll say, oh my god, I had such a terrible story. I had such a belief. Oh my god, I just. I was so addicted to those emotions. They'll tell you. And they just have to. You just have to sit with yourself long enough to no longer want to feel that way. And we just give people the tools to get them from the old self to the new self to cross that river.

你会不会说，天啊，我有一个特别糟糕的故事，我有过这样的信念。天啊，我就是对那些情绪上了瘾。你会听到他们这么说。而你只需要花时间与自己独处，直到你不再想要那种感觉。我们只是为人们提供工具，帮助他们从旧的自我走向新的自我，渡过这条河。

It's quite a compelling idea that I might be addicted to negative emotions or emotions that aren't productive to me in any way, even as an idea. We'll take the idea like this. If you were angry right now or you were feeling sad and I came up to you and I said, hey Steven, listen, I know you're really miffed right now. I know you're feeling really down, whatever. But just stop. Just stop getting. Just stop being there. Just stop. If you can't stop that, then on some level, you must be addicted to it, right?

这个想法相当引人深思：我可能对负面情绪或对我没有任何益处的情绪上瘾。让我们这样理解这个想法。如果你现在感到愤怒或悲伤，而我走到你面前对你说：“嘿，Steven，听我说，我知道你现在很生气，也知道你情绪低落。但请停止这种情绪。就别再那么烦恼了。如果你无法停止这种情绪，那在某种程度上，你一定是对它上瘾了，对吧？”

If you truly were not addicted to it, you would be able to just turn it off, right? So when people start to see that, they're like, oh my god, yeah, I could be addicted to that. It's a good moment for people. What's it doing for me? Well, the long-term effects of doing that, we can turn on the stress response just by thought alone. You could think about your problems and you could produce the same chemistry as if it was real. The long-term effects of the hormones of stress down-regulate genes and create disease. And if you can turn on that stress response just by thought alone, that means your thoughts can make you sick.

如果你真的没有对它上瘾，你应该可以轻松把它关掉，对吧？所以当人们开始意识到这一点时，他们会感到震惊，觉得可能真的对它上瘾了。这对人们来说是一个很好的时刻。那这对我有什么影响呢？长期来看，单靠想法就能触发压力反应。你可以仅仅通过想象问题，产生和现实中一样的化学反应。长期的压力激素效应会抑制基因，导致疾病。如果你仅仅通过想法就能打开这种压力反应，这意味着你的思想可能会让你生病。

If I know it's bad for me, like no one wants to feel sad. So why am I choosing to feel sad? There's nothing wrong with feeling sad. It's just how long do you want to stay there? Or angry or fearful. I don't want to feel that. Yeah. So again, here we go, trial and error. You got to catch yourself and you got to go. Because when you're feeling sad as an example, or you're feeling angry or whatever, for the most part, you want to stay there. Many people, like it's just comfortable. Some people find a lot of comfort in being unhappy. They're really happy being unhappy.

如果我知道这对我不好，比如没有人愿意感到难过。那么，为什么我还要选择去感到难过呢？感到难过并没有错，但关键在于你想在这种情绪中待多久。无论是愤怒还是恐惧，我都不想感受到这些情绪。是的，所以我们需要不断尝试和调整。当你感到难过时，或者感到愤怒或者其他情绪，大多数情况下，你可能想继续待在这种情绪中。很多人觉得这种情绪让他们感到舒适。有些人甚至在不快乐中找到了很多安慰，他们在不快乐中感到很开心。

So if you want to evolve your experience in life, you would say, I can change this. I literally can change it. Let me sit down and change my emotional state. If this emotion is causing me to meet a view, my reality, through the lens of the past. If this reality is down-regulating my genes and creating disease, if this reality, feeling this emotion is causing me to behave as if I'm in a past reality. If feeling this emotion causes me to believe in my past more than my future, hmm, maybe it's not such a good idea that I stay there. So justified or not, valid or not the only person that that emotion is affecting is you.

所以，如果你想要提升生活体验，你应该对自己说：“我可以改变这一切。我确实可以改变它。让我坐下来调整自己的情绪状态。如果这种情绪让我通过过去的视角来看待现实，如果这种现实正在降低基因活性并导致疾病，如果这种情绪让我行为表现得像是活在过去的现实中，如果这种感觉让我更相信过去而不是未来，嗯，也许我不该继续停留在这样的状态。不论这种情绪是否有道理，它影响的唯一一个人是你自己。”

Sooner or later, I think when people start realizing I can change my emotional state and they really sit down even though they don't want to do it, they do it. That's when they start feeling a lot of worth. Okay, what is the most important question based on all of your work and all that you do and all that you're thinking about at this exact moment and the subjective change and transformation that I should have asked you? Oh, is it possible that the human nervous system, the autonomic nervous system, manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug? Is it possible that the human nervous system manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug?

迟早的，我认为当人们开始意识到他们可以改变自己的情绪状态，并且即使不太情愿也真正静下心来去做的时候，他们会感受到更多的价值。那么，基于你所有的工作、思考以及你当下的主观转变和变革，我应该问你什么最重要的问题呢？哦，人类的神经系统，自主神经系统，是否有可能制造出比任何药物效果更好的化学物质呢？人类的神经系统有可能制造出比任何药物效果更好的化学物质吗？

The answer is absolutely yes. That's what our data shows and it's not pseudo science. Our data shows that the autonomic nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than any drug. A drug trial is about a 25% effective. One out of four people have a response and it's normally over a length of time 60 to 90 days. What our data shows is that 75, as I said, 84, 90, 95, 100% of the people that are involved in a seven-day event have these effects. So even if it's 75%, that means it's working three times better than any drug.

答案是肯定的。这是我们的数据所显示的结果，并非伪科学。我们的数据表明，自主神经系统可以生成一系列化学物质，其效果甚至优于任何药物。通常情况下，药物试验的有效率约为25%，即四人中有一人会有反应，并且通常需要60到90天的时间。然而，我们的数据表明，参与为期七天活动的人中，有75%、84%、90%、95%、甚至100%的人表现出效果。即便是75%的比例，也意味着它的效果是任何药物的三倍。

And yet your nervous system is manufacturing those chemicals equal to the person state of being equal to their intention. And I keep telling, I keep asking the scientists, where are those chemicals coming from? The person's not eating a pill. They're not changing their diet. They're not doing anything. And yet what wasn't there before, the event somehow is there after the event. It's coming from within us. Is that because of some of the techniques and the processes you go through at the event? Is it because of the connection of a group of people coming together and synchronizing and oxytocin? Is it all of the above?

即使如此，你的神经系统仍然在制造那些化学物质，这些化学物质与人的存在状态和意图相匹配。我一直在问科学家，这些化学物质是从哪里来的？那个人并没有吃药，也没有改变饮食，也没有做任何其他事情。然而，事件发生之后，体内就出现了之前没有的东西。这些化学物质来自我们自身。这是因为在活动中使用的某些技术和过程吗？还是因为一群人聚在一起，在同步中产生催产素的作用？又或者是以上因素的共同作用？

It's all of the above. I mean, almost 80% of the people expressing the same genes and making the same proteins that's unheard of, but we discovered as people change people, as we discovered, that collective networks of observers determine reality. And it's not the number of people. It's not the amount of energy. It's the most coherence that takes place in the group. And so we're doing studies now with collective networks. We're doing studies on measuring the effects of collective consciousness.

这包括了所有这些。我的意思是，几乎80%的人表达的基因和制造的蛋白质是相同的，这在以前是闻所未闻的。但我们发现，随着人们的变化，集体观察者网络决定了现实。这并不是人数的问题，也不是能量的问题，而是群体中产生的最强的凝聚力。因此，我们现在正在对集体网络进行研究，研究集体意识的影响。

What does that do in terms of field effects and energy? When you say all of this and you talk about this relationship between the body and the mind, it keeps making me wonder about your beliefs of a higher power or a God. Because it all sounds, the more I learn about the body and how interconnected it is, it all sounds just mystical. So anyway, to describe it. So I wondered as you were speaking, I wrote down a minute lie pad here. I said, does Joe believe in God? I do. I do. I think there's one God, but in that one, there's many.

在领域效应和能量方面，这意味着什么呢？当你谈论这些以及身体和心灵之间的关系时，我总是忍不住想知道你是否相信更高的力量或上帝。因为我对身体的了解越多，越能感觉到一切都是神秘的。所以，在你说话的时候，我就在纸上记下了：乔相信上帝吗？我相信，我相信世界上有一个上帝，但在这个上帝中却有很多面向。

Yeah. What does that mean? I mean, so the God lives within you, the divine lives in every human being. That's what I believe. And I think it's really important for people to make time for it, to connect to it, to fall in love with it, to stay aware of it, to bring it into their life by staying aware of it and connecting to it. And I think the more we interact with it, I think the more it becomes us and the more we become it. And so removing the veils, the blocks, the emotions, the habits, the blind spots that stand in our way between our connection to that unifying field or God or the absolute or the creator or universal mind or source or singularity, the zero point field, fertile void, whatever you want to call it, the mother, father, principle, making time to interact with it by removing things that stand in the way between us and it allows us to get closer to love, right?

是的，那意味着什么呢？我的意思是，神居住在你内心，每个人体内都有神性。这是我所相信的。我认为，人们抽出时间与内心的神性连接是非常重要的，要爱上这种连接，保持对其的觉知，并通过这种觉知将其带入生活。我认为，我们与这种神性互动得越多，它就越融入我们，我们也越成为它的一部分。因此，清除那些阻挡我们与这种统一场、或称为神、绝对者、创造者、宇宙意识、源头、奇点、零点场、丰饶之虚、无论你称其为什么，母亲、父亲原则的连接的障碍、情感、习惯和盲点，腾出时间来与其互动，使我们能够更接近于爱，对吗？

And I think that's what God is. So the expression of the divine, the expression of God through the human being would be a person that's more conscious, more mindful, more willful, more loving, more giving. That's the nature of the divine. So its nature becomes our nature, right? So I do believe that we're not linear beings living a linear life. I believe that we're dimensional beings, living a dimensional life. And I do believe in that universal mind, that universal power in making time to use it and to interact with it and connect with it and to reach forward and to become it. I think it's a worthy journey for people.

我认为这就是上帝的本质。因此，上帝通过人的表达体现为一个更加有意识、有悟性、有意志力、更富有爱心和善于给予的人。这是神圣的本性，它的本性也会成为我们的本性，对吧？所以，我相信我们不是按照线性方式存在的生命，而是活在多维度的生命中。我相信那种"宇宙心智"或者"宇宙力量"，并且让自己有时间去利用、互动和连接它，并去拥抱和成为它。我认为这对人们来说是一段有价值的旅程。

Thank you so much for the work that you do. It's a perfect sort of combination of all the things that I think I care about, but also I think my audience care about. And if they are looking to go deeper beyond this podcast, I would highly recommend them trying to get a ticket to one of your events, very hard to get tickets to your events. So good luck to you, but I would highly recommend they go to your website. And they can see a full list of events that you have coming up there, because it can be from as I've learned from my partner, truly transformational in ways that maybe we'll surprise them if you can find them.

非常感谢您所做的工作。这完美结合了我所关心的事情，也正是我的观众所关心的内容。如果他们希望在这个播客之外更深入地了解，我强烈推荐他们尝试获取您活动的门票，尽管这些门票非常难得。所以祝你好运，但我极力建议他们访问您的网站。在那里，他们可以看到您即将举行的所有活动的完整列表。我从我的合作伙伴那里了解到，这些活动的确可能在意想不到的方式中，带来真正的变革。

I'm re-inviting you. I need to do it. It's been something on my mind. You should just come just for fun. I promise you'd have the best week of your life. I know. I know. I just see the impact you had on metal, my girlfriend, and I just, I'm jealous of it. That's the best way to describe it. Nice. I am jealous of it. Thank you so much to Kiana jealousy. The highest conversations are often the ones we avoid, but what if you had the right question to start them with?

我再次邀请你。我必须这样做，这件事一直在我心里。你应该来参加一下，就为了开心。我保证你会度过你生命中最美好的一周。我明白，我明白。我看到了你对金属、我女朋友产生的影响，而我对此感到嫉妒。这是我能想到的最佳形容词。没错。我确实嫉妒。非常感谢你，Kiana。最高级的对话往往是我们避而不谈的，但如果你有正确的问题来引导它们的话，会怎么样呢？

Every single guest on the Direversio has left behind a question in this diary. And it's a question designed to challenge, to connect, and to go deeper with the next guest. And these are all the questions that I have here in my hand. On one side, you've got the question that was asked. The name of the person who wrote it. And on the other side, if you scan that, you can watch the person who came after who answered it. 51 questions split across three different levels, the warm-up level, the open-up level, and the deep level. So you decide how deep the conversation goes. And people play these conversation cards in boardrooms at work, in bedrooms, alone at night, and on first dates, and everywhere in between. I'll put a link to the conversation cards in the description below.

在Direversio，每一位嘉宾都在这个日记中留下了一个问题。这些问题旨在挑战、联结，并深入与下一位嘉宾的对话。我手中有这些问题。在一面，你可以看到被提问的问题和写下这个问题的人的名字。另一面，如果你扫描一下，就可以观看回答这个问题的后续嘉宾。共有51个问题，分为三个不同的层次：热身层次、开放层次和深入层次。因此，你可以决定对话的深度。人们在工作会议室、卧室、夜深人静时独自一人、初次约会时，甚至其他各种场合都可以使用这些对话卡片。我会在下面的描述中附上对话卡片的链接。

And you can get yours at thedirey.com. This has always blown my mind a little bit. 53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to this show. So could I ask you for a favor? If you like the show and you like what we do here and you want to support us, the free simple way that you can do just that is by hitting the subscribe button. And my commitment to you, as if you do that, that I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week. We'll listen to your feedback, we'll find the guests that you want me to speak to, and we'll continue to do what we do. Thank you so much.

你可以在thedirey.com获取你的。这让我有点惊讶。经常收听我们节目的你们中有53%还没有订阅我们的节目。所以，我能请你帮个忙吗？如果你喜欢这个节目，并想支持我们，只需点击订阅按钮，这是一个既简单又免费的方式。我承诺，如果你订阅，我和我的团队会尽全力让这个节目每周都能有所提高。我们会听取你的反馈，寻找你希望我邀请的嘉宾，并持续改进。非常感谢你。