在这期由香黛（Shantae）主持的播客节目中，嘻哈偶像柯蒂斯·布洛（Curtis Blow）被誉为该文化的奠基建筑师，嘉宾纳斯（Nas）、Run-DMC乐队的朗（乔伊）（Run (Joey)）等人也一同加入，在嘻哈音乐成为全球商业之前，共同回顾了他的传奇经历。 对话从20世纪60年代和70年代的纽约哈莱姆区开始。被称为柯蒂斯·布洛的柯蒂斯·沃克（Curtis Walker）回忆说，在“嘻哈”一词出现之前，这种文化被称为“摇摆（rocking）”、“霹雳（breaking）”、“燃烧（burning）”和“派对（partying）”。在民权运动、越南战争以及广泛的城市衰败——当时布朗克斯区的房东经常为了保险金而烧毁建筑——这一动荡时代背景下，年轻人从零开始构建了这种音乐和文化，将其作为一种逃避现实的形式。柯蒂斯分享了他是如何让自己沉浸在20世纪70年代中期充满活力的纽约迪斯科场景中的，他在16岁时使用假身份证进入俱乐部，研究DJ并寻找自己的道路。1974年，他开始在一个名为“轰鸣（Wham）”的俱乐部担任司仪，最初模仿他的电台偶像汉克·斯潘（Hank Spann，WWRL，超级16）。 柯蒂斯讲述了1977年在大学里遇到拉塞尔（Russell），并说服他来到自己在哈莱姆区的街区派对上看他打碟的经历。后来，他们开设了“夜热（Night Fever's）”迪斯科舞厅，柯蒂斯在那里遇到了年轻的乔伊（后来的Run-DMC乐队的朗），当时他大约14或15岁。乔伊分享了柯蒂斯是如何对关照他的，让他打碟，为他们做早餐，并保护他。乔伊描述了他如何帮助创建柯蒂斯的艺名——大声喊出他是“柯蒂斯·布洛（Curtis Blow）”——之后在他自己开启传奇职业生涯时，将这一常规称呼过渡为“朗（Run）”。 嘉宾小组讨论了柯蒂斯作为第一位签约主流唱片公司的说唱歌手所产生的巨大影响、他在1985年电影《冲击律动（Crush Groove）》中的标志性角色，以及他与鲍勃·马利（Bob Marley）和海军准将乐队（Commodores）等大牌艺人一起进行的大规模开创性巡演。柯蒂斯分享了一个幽默的回忆：在田纳西州孟菲斯市数千名女性面前与普林斯（Prince）见面。 纳斯充满激情地谈到了柯蒂斯对他在布朗克斯区长大时的深远影响，并指出当新闻只描绘堕落时，柯蒂斯的音乐是如何振奋社区的。这种深深的钦佩激发了纳斯与劳伦·希尔小姐（Miss Lauryn Hill）一起翻唱了柯蒂斯的经典曲目《如果我统治世界（If I Rule the World）》，这一举动给柯蒂斯带来了巨大的喜悦，在柯蒂斯向索尼（Sony）热情预测该曲目的成功后，它获得了双白金销量。 主持人香黛在节目结束时对“完全支付（Paid in Full）”的精神进行了定义。她强调，这个奖项无关个人的行业政治，而是关于庆祝对这种文化的真诚激情、爱和历史贡献。她向柯蒂斯·布洛表示祝贺，并肯定他确实当之无愧地获得全额报酬（paid in full），因为他帮助创造了嘻哈历史。

In this podcast episode hosted by Shantae, hip-hop icon Curtis Blow is celebrated as a foundational architect of the culture, joined by guests Nas, Run-DMC's Run (Joey), and others to reflect on his legacy before hip-hop became a global business. The conversation begins in Harlem, New York, during the 1960s and 1970s. Curtis Walker, known as Curtis Blow, recalls that before the term "hip-hop" existed, the culture was called "rocking," "breaking," "burning," and "partying." Coming out of the turbulent era of the civil rights movement, the Vietnam War, and widespread urban decay—where landlords in the Bronx often burned down buildings for insurance money—young people built the music and culture from the ground up as a form of escapism. Curtis shares how he immersed himself in the vibrant New York disco scene of the mid-1970s, using a phony ID to get into clubs by age 16 to study DJs and find his own path. He started emceeing in 1974 at a club called the Wham, initially impersonating his radio hero, Hank Spann (WWRL, Super 16). Curtis recounts meeting Russell in college in 1977 and convincing him to come to his block party in Harlem to see him DJ. Later, they opened the Night Fever's disco, where Curtis met young Joey (later Run of Run-DMC), who was roughly 14 or 15 at the time. Joey shares how Curtis took him under his wing, letting him DJ, cooking breakfast for them, and protecting him. Joey describes how he helped create Curtis's stage name—calling him out as "Curtis Blow"—before eventually transitioning the routine to "Run" once he launched his own legendary career. The panel discusses Curtis’s massive impact as the first rapper signed to a major label, his iconic role in the 1985 movie *Crush Groove*, and his groundbreaking tours alongside massive acts like Bob Marley and Commodores. Curtis shares a humorous memory of meeting Prince in front of thousands of women in Memphis, Tennessee. Nas speaks passionately about the profound influence Curtis had on him as a kid growing up in the Bronx, noting how Curtis’s music uplifted the community when the news only portrayed degradation. This deep admiration inspired Nas to remake Curtis's classic track "If I Rule the World" with Miss Lauryn Hill, a gesture that brought Curtis immense joy and went double platinum after Curtis enthusiastically predicted its success to Sony. Host Shantae concludes the episode by defining the spirit of "Paid in Full." She emphasizes that the award is not about personal industry politics, but about celebrating genuine passion, love, and historical contributions to the culture. She congratulates Curtis Blow, affirming that he truly deserves to be paid in full for helping make hip-hop history.