The Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing podcast, hosted by Jon Quast with contributors Tyler Crowe and Matt Frankel, opened with a critical discussion on record-high diesel prices and their widespread economic implications. As of the broadcast morning, diesel stood at an unprecedented $6.51 per gallon, a 76% surge from the previous year. While some listeners might dismiss this as irrelevant if they drive gasoline cars, the hosts emphasized that this issue will soon affect everyone across the country.
Matt Frankel explained that trucking companies, which transport nearly everything consumers buy, include fuel surcharges directly tied to diesel prices. This means rising diesel costs translate into higher prices for goods. Tyler Crowe expanded on this, noting that diesel is the "lifeblood" of the supply chain, essential for shipping, agriculture, and other critical industries. He also highlighted the similar surge in jet fuel prices, which are double their pre-Iran conflict levels, leading to increased air cargo costs and potential airline ticket surcharges, especially heading into the holiday season.
Regarding potential solutions, Senator Chuck Grassley's suggestion to ban diesel exports was debated. While seemingly logical to boost domestic supply and lower prices, Tyler Crowe warned of "unintended consequences." The U.S. is a net exporter of refined products like diesel but a net importer of gasoline. A ban on diesel exports could prompt retaliatory bans from countries like Europe, creating a "tit for tat" situation that would cause more long-term problems than short-term relief. Furthermore, global refinery capacity is stretched, with U.S. East Coast and European refineries operating at 97% utilization, compounded by impacts from the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Matt Frankel detailed the macroeconomic ripple effects. Unlike gasoline or jet fuel price increases, which show up in inflation immediately, diesel price hikes act as a "delayed fuse." Companies resist passing on costs until they can no longer absorb them. This is already evident in transportation and warehousing services, which were among the worst performers in recent inflation data. Looking ahead, Frankel identified three key areas where inflation could worsen: food (due to transportation, farm equipment, and processing costs), airlines (with jet fuel already pushing fares up 23% year-over-year), and construction (heavy equipment runs on diesel). The cumulative effect of persistent high inflation could also hinder the Federal Reserve's ability to lower interest rates.
The conversation then shifted to Berkshire Hathaway's leadership transition. With Warren Buffett stepping down, his son Howard is taking on the chairman role, while Greg Abel continues as CEO. Tyler Crowe commented on the governance aspect, suggesting that separating Chairman and CEO roles often signifies better governance. However, he questioned the "slightly murky governance" of Howard automatically assuming the executive chair, especially given criticisms from outlets like the Financial Times about his qualification. Crowe speculated that this move is partly driven by the transfer of Buffett's shares to family trusts and foundations, which Howard manages, ensuring family control. Matt Frankel noted that this succession plan for Howard has been public for over a decade, with his stated role being to preserve Berkshire's culture and decentralized operations, intervening only if a future CEO deviates too much. However, both Frankel and Crowe raised concerns about the age of the new leadership (Howard is 71, Abel is 64), questioning the depth of the "bench" beyond these individuals, given Buffett's exceptional longevity and acuity.
The topic of Berkshire Hathaway paying a dividend was also discussed. Tyler Crowe predicted a dividend within 18 months, arguing that foundations and trusts, which will inherit Buffett's vast shareholdings, would prefer dividends over selling shares for funds. Matt Frankel, however, took the opposing view, giving it only a 20% chance within five years. He highlighted that CEO Greg Abel has prioritized investments and share buybacks, aligning with Berkshire's capital allocation preference to pay a dividend only if all other options are exhausted.
Finally, the podcast addressed a mailbag question from Vicente in Chile about using technicals for stock entry points and "need to own" stocks. Tyler Crowe rejected the notion of a "need to own" stock, citing Warren Buffett's philosophy of "no called strikes" in investing – investors don't have to buy anything they don't feel is right. He emphasized focusing on a business's future earnings rather than chart patterns or past prices. Matt Frankel agreed, cautioning that urgency leads to overpaying. Both advocated for building positions incrementally (not necessarily textbook dollar-cost averaging) when confident in a stock's long-term value but wary of current valuation. Tyler offered small and regional banks as "dog" stocks currently trading below tangible book value and showing signs of life. Matt pointed to Target (TGT), whose strong Q2 comparable sales and digital growth suggest a successful turnaround, making it a lower-risk buy despite its recent 67% rebound.