Millennial Investing - The Investor’s Podcast Network - TIVP096 (Video): Uber (UBER): The Autonomy Referendum: Is Mr. Market Completely Wrong? w/ Shawn O’Malley and Daniel Mahncke
Despite Uber tripling its free cash flow to roughly $10 billion annually over the last three years, its stock trades below its price 15 months ago. Meanwhile, Waymo, Alphabet's autonomous vehicle (AV) subsidiary, recently raised money at a $126 billion valuation, effectively matching Uber's market capitalization despite having a fraction of its revenues and being unprofitable. This dichotomy suggests the market believes in the future of AVs but is skeptical of Uber's role as a beneficiary.
Uber operates as a marketplace with three main businesses: Mobility (ride-hailing), Delivery (Uber Eats, groceries, retail), and a smaller freight brokerage business. It's an asset-light model, owning no cars or directly employing drivers, instead connecting supply and demand across 70 countries and taking a "take rate" on transactions. With 200 million monthly users, it processed over $190 billion in gross bookings last year, generating revenue of approximately 20% of that total.
A key development for Uber has been its dramatic margin expansion. From 2020 to today, operating profit margins swung from negative 43% to positive 12%—a 55 percentage point improvement. This was driven by several factors:
* **Advertising:** A new, high-margin business now exceeding a $2 billion annual run rate, growing over 50% yearly.
* **Delivery Expansion:** Uber Eats now includes groceries, cosmetics (e.g., Ulta Beauty), and other retail, leveraging urgency in delivery.
* **Insurance Costs:** Post-COVID inflation in vehicle insurance, particularly in the US, had been a headwind. Recent renewals show benign increases, and state-level reforms are providing savings, creating a future tailwind. The integration of AVs and drones (like the Zipline partnership) could further reduce these costs.
* **Uber One Membership:** This subscription program has grown to 50 million members, driving increased loyalty and order frequency, with members accounting for half of total gross bookings and two-thirds of delivery bookings.
* **Strategic Acquisitions:** Purchases like parking app Spot Hero aim to enhance convenience and cross-sell services, as multi-product users spend over three times more than single-product users.
* **US Market Re-acceleration:** After passing on increased insurance costs to consumers, which slowed demand, Uber is now passing savings back, leading to renewed growth in its largest market.
The challenge from Waymo, however, is significant. Waymo's vehicles have driven over 100 million autonomous miles and completed 15 million paid rides in 2025. Waymo is also ending exclusive partnerships with Uber in cities like Austin and Atlanta to launch its own app. This raises concerns about Waymo attempting to dominate the AV market and erode Uber's margins through aggressive competition, potentially using Alphabet's vast financial resources for a "subsidy war" akin to Uber's early days.
Uber's counter-strategy focuses on becoming the neutral aggregator for a diverse, hybrid network of human drivers and AVs.
* **Hybrid Model Advocacy:** Uber lobbies for regulations supporting hybrid networks, arguing that "spiky" demand necessitates human drivers for flexibility, a challenge fixed AV fleets face (Waymo's 18-minute wait times vs. Uber's few minutes).
* **Extensive Partnerships:** Uber has expanded its AV partnerships from 14 to over 20 companies (Nuro, Lucid, Rivian, NVIDIA, international players like Baidu and WeRide), aiming to prevent any single AV maker from monopolizing the market. Deals include commitments for tens of thousands of AVs on the Uber network.
* **Financial Investment:** Uber has committed billions ($1.25 billion into Rivian alone) into various self-driving companies, both to hedge risk and foster competition.
* **Uber Autonomous Solutions:** A new division offering insurance, customer support, and fleet management to AV operators, leveraging Uber's existing infrastructure.
* **Data Monetization:** Uber is equipping human-driven cars with sensor kits, collecting 2 million miles of training data per month, and selling it to AV partners.
* **AV Financialization:** Uber envisions a future where independent financial entities (like REITs) own AV fleets, allowing Uber to remain capital-light while running the network.
In a significant strategic move, Uber is acquiring Delivery Hero, a global food delivery company, for $14.8 billion. This acquisition will expand Uber's operational footprint from 34 to 58 markets, bringing 50 million new consumers and allowing Uber to deploy its cross-selling strategies, including Uber One, in new territories. Delivery Hero also boasts higher ad monetization (3% of GMV vs. Uber's current lower rate), offering a substantial, high-margin revenue synergy. This deal also acts as an "autonomy hedge," diversifying Uber's revenue into markets where AV adoption will be slower, thereby mitigating immediate threats from Waymo and Tesla.
Other initiatives include partnerships with Kroger (adding 2,700 stores to Uber Eats), Expedia (hotel bookings), and the acquisition of Black Lane (a premium chauffeur service), alongside new safety features like "woman preferences."
Despite these strong fundamentals and strategic moves, Uber's stock underperformance persists. The company has comfortably managed a $20 billion share repurchase program alongside these growth investments. The hosts conclude that the market is mispricing Uber, possibly due to an overemphasis on terminal risk from AVs, rather than appreciating Uber's ability to adapt, grow, and aggregate demand in an expanding convenience market. They echo Ben Graham's sentiment: "in the short run, the market is a voting machine, but in the long run, it's a weighing machine," expressing confidence that the market will eventually value Uber appropriately.