在一期播客节目《The VergeCast》中，David Amell、Liz Lopato和V Song就Lopato的文章《马克·扎克伯格不懂生活》展开了一场哲学讨论，该文章批判了扎克伯格长达6500字的AI宣言《未来属于每一个人》。这场对话围绕着人类体验、努力与奋斗的价值，以及AI在增强或取代这些生命基本方面时的局限性展开。 Amell引出话题，强调扎克伯格设想的未来：每个人都将拥有个人AI助手，提供表达思想和创建新业务的工具。Lopato澄清说，扎克伯格的宣言似乎是为了反驳人们对AI的负面看法，试图将其描绘成有益而非颠覆性的。然而，她认为，AI承诺简化的正是那些让生活变得有意义的“事物”。 讨论很快深入到扎克伯格的第一点：“每个人都将拥有表达自己想法的新工具。”Lopato认为这不像其他人觉得那么荒谬，但指出大多数人已经有充足的方式来表达自己，而且通常，AI驱动的“氛围编码”只会带来更多的生产力工具，V Song将其比作日记的简单功用。Song强调，实体书写有助于记忆和个人反思，而AI无法复制这一点。 第二个争议点是“每个人都将拥有创建新业务的工具”这一想法。Lopato质疑一个充斥着无限业务的市场是否可行，并强调并非每个人都渴望成为企业家，而是更愿意专注于有意义的工作，而不受商业物流的束缚。她将AI生成的音乐与人们希望聆听玛丽亚·凯莉（Mariah Carey）等人类音乐家的愿望进行对比，强调价值在于人类的才华和努力，而不仅仅是产出。 Lopato文章中一个与Amell和Song产生深刻共鸣的核心论点是：“当我阅读书籍、聆听音乐或观看电影时，我不仅仅是在消费一种资源。我是在体验他人的思想。”V Song以奥利维亚·罗德里戈（Olivia Rodrigo）辛酸的歌词为例，指出一个缺乏真正情感体验的机器人，无法创作出如此深刻的艺术。她分享了在她母亲生病期间阅读米歇尔·扎乌纳（Michelle Zauner）的《Crying in H Mart》的个人经历，解释了书中传达的关于失去和悲伤的人类体验如何提供了无与伦比的慰藉和联结——这是AI无法体验这些情感，因此也永远无法复制的。 演讲者们强调了努力和不便的重要性。V Song引用道：“不便即是努力。而正是这种努力让事物真正有价值。”她批评了科技行业承诺的终极便利，认为它通过移除个人投入而贬低了结果。她以电影《釜山行》（Train to Busan）中一位父亲送出敷衍礼物为例，这让他的女儿觉得自己不被爱，因为他没有付出努力。这反映了当发现某物是AI生成时那种被背叛的感觉：“你没有付出心血，你只是生成了它。”Amell将这比作在《集合啦！动物森友会》（Animal Crossing）中“跳时”，这绕过了旅程中富有奖励的“游戏”体验。 Lopato通过送礼进一步阐述了努力的价值，解释了她个人在寻找人们喜欢但不会给自己买的奢侈版物品时所获得的乐趣，这需要对收礼人进行周到考虑。她批评了扎克伯格与女儿一起使用AI制作烘焙食谱的例子，认为真正的价值在于世代相传的家庭食谱，或者是一起学习新技能时共享的、有时是灾难性的经历。 话题随后转向爱好和个人成长。Lopato最近开始从事攀岩和桥牌运动，她强调爱好的意义不在于追求完美，而在于过程本身以及建立的社会联系。V Song在学习十字绣时，通过与朋友的共同爱好建立了联系。他们都认为，AI承诺让事情变得“轻松”的做法，忽视了人类对奋斗和挑战的基本需求。V Song反思了她作为记者，通过持续努力克服社交焦虑的历程，并总结道：“如果过程轻松，回报也就显得廉价。” 最终，演讲者们对一个AI消除摩擦、让一切变得便利的世界所带来的影响表示担忧。他们质疑，如果真正的努力和联系都被外包给AI，人类将如何利用“节省下来的时间”。Amell挑衅性地问道，目标是否是让人类变得像《机器人总动员》（WALL-E）中那些自动化了的成年人，被动地消费一切。他们总结道，AI开发者误解了真正让生活有意义的东西，他们关注效率，却忽视了人类体验、情感和联系所构成的丰富而常具挑战性的织锦。

On a podcast episode of The VergeCast, David Amell, Liz Lopato, and V Song engage in a philosophical discussion prompted by Lopato’s article, "Mark Zuckerberg Doesn't Understand How to Live," which critiqued Zuckerberg's 6,500-word AI manifesto, "The Future is for Everyone." The conversation centers on the human experience, the value of effort and struggle, and the limitations of AI in enhancing or replacing these fundamental aspects of life. Amell introduces the topic, highlighting Zuckerberg's vision of a future where personal AI agents assist everyone, providing tools for expressing ideas and creating new businesses. Lopato clarifies that Zuckerberg's manifesto seemed to be a counter-narrative to the negative perception of AI, attempting to paint it as beneficial rather than disruptive. However, she argues that the very "things" AI promises to simplify are what make life meaningful. The discussion quickly delves into Zuckerberg's first point: "everyone will have new tools to express their ideas." Lopato finds this less absurd than others but points out that most people already have ample ways to express themselves, and often, AI-driven "vibe coding" leads to more productivity tools, which V Song compares to the simple utility of a journal. Song emphasizes that physical writing aids memory and personal reflection in a way that AI cannot replicate. The second point of contention is the idea that "everyone will have the tools to create new businesses." Lopato questions the viability of a market saturated with infinite businesses and highlights that not everyone desires to be an entrepreneur, preferring instead to focus on meaningful work without the burden of business logistics. She contrasts AI-generated music with the desire to listen to human musicians like Mariah Carey, stressing that the value lies in human talent and effort, not just output. A core argument from Lopato's article that deeply resonated with Amell and Song was: "When I'm reading a book or listening to music or watching a movie, I'm not just consuming a resource. I'm experiencing other people's minds." V Song illustrates this with Olivia Rodrigo's poignant lyrics, noting that a robot, devoid of genuine emotional experience, cannot create such profound art. She shares her personal experience reading Michelle Zauner's "Crying in H Mart" during her mother's illness, explaining how the human experience of loss and grief communicated in the book provided unparalleled comfort and connection—something an AI, unable to experience these emotions, could never replicate. The speakers underscore the importance of effort and inconvenience. V Song quotes, "inconvenience is the effort. And that's what makes things truly valuable." She criticizes the tech industry's promise of ultimate convenience, arguing it devalues outcomes by removing personal investment. She uses the analogy of a father in "Train to Busan" giving a thoughtless gift, which makes his daughter feel unloved because he didn't put in the effort. This mirrors the feeling of betrayal when discovering something is AI-generated: "you didn't put the blood, sweat, and tears into it. You just generated it." Amell likens this to "time-skipping" in Animal Crossing, which bypasses the rewarding "game" of the journey. Lopato further elaborates on the value of effort through gift-giving, explaining her personal joy in finding extravagant versions of items people love but wouldn't buy for themselves, which requires thoughtful consideration of the recipient. She critiques Zuckerberg's example of using AI for a baking recipe with his daughter, suggesting that the true value lies in family recipes passed down or the shared, sometimes catastrophic, experience of learning a new skill together. The conversation then shifts to hobbies and personal growth. Lopato, who has recently taken up rock climbing and bridge, highlights that the point of hobbies is not to achieve perfection, but the process itself and the social connections forged. V Song, learning cross-stitching, found connection with a friend through their shared hobby. They both argue that AI's promise of making things "easy" overlooks the fundamental human need for struggle and challenge. V Song reflects on her journey as a journalist, overcoming social anxiety through persistent effort, and concludes that "if the process is easy, the reward is kind of cheap." Ultimately, the speakers express concern about the implications of a world where AI removes friction and makes everything convenient. They question what humans will do with the "time saved" if genuine effort and connection are outsourced to AI. Amell provocatively asks if the goal is for people to become like the automatized adults in WALL-E, consuming passively. They conclude that AI developers misunderstand what truly makes life meaningful, focusing on efficiency over the rich, often challenging, tapestry of human experience, emotion, and connection.