The podcast episode of Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing, hosted by Tyler Crowe with contributors John Quast and Matt Frankel, covered recent retail earnings, the burgeoning drone delivery market, and a reader question concerning a real estate investment.
**Retail Earnings: A Mixed Bag with Underlying Currents**
The discussion kicked off with the ongoing earnings season for big box retailers. While Home Depot, Target, and TJX Companies showed general strength with improved comparable sales, Walmart was noted as a disappointment. Matt Frankel highlighted that many retailers benefited from "tariff refunds," which artificially boosted bottom-line numbers. However, the market, recognizing this, wasn't rewarding it significantly.
Home Depot reported its strongest comparable sales since Q3 2022, and Target, undergoing a turnaround, saw a 3.8% jump. TJX (parent of TJ Maxx) beat expectations with 4% comparable growth, notably exceeding the 3% inflation rate, indicating real growth.
Walmart, however, fell short with 2.6% comps, barely surpassing inflation. Frankel expressed surprise, given Walmart's historical resilience in uncertain economic times (e.g., 2008 financial crisis). He views Walmart as a crucial indicator for low to middle-income households, whose current economic health is a significant concern.
John Quast elaborated on Walmart's unique situation: despite slower revenue growth, its operating income has been outpacing revenue for several quarters. This is attributed to Walmart's strategic shift into high-margin digital offerings, such as advertising leveraging its first-party consumer data, its acquisition of Vizio for a connected TV platform, and services like Walmart Plus. Walmart's "low price leader" strategy also meant using tariff refunds to stay competitive on pricing, unlike some rivals who used them to offset rising costs.
The conversation also touched on rising fuel prices (gas up 31%, diesel up 50% year-over-year). While not the sole cause, this increase acts as a "price signal" affecting consumer discretionary spending and significantly raising operating costs for retailers, partially explaining why some used tariff refunds to mitigate these expenses.
Finally, the hosts discussed the "agentic AI" trend in retail, where AI assists with or even makes purchases. While 60% of consumers use AI for discovery (comparing/researching products), only a small percentage (low teens to high single digits) actually complete purchases through AI agents due to trust issues (e.g., spending caps, ease of returns). Walmart's "Sparky," Lowe's "Milo," and Home Depot's "My Apron" are examples. Target, by contrast, is aggressively leaning into agentic AI, even hiring a Chief AI Officer and partnering with Google and OpenAI, showing promising early growth in this area.
**Drone Delivery: Uber, Zipline, and the Quest for Scale**
The second major topic was Uber's recent investment in and partnership with autonomous drone delivery company Zipline. John Quast introduced Zipline, highlighting its impactful work in Rwanda, where it delivers vital medical supplies like blood to remote clinics via drones, saving lives.
The Uber deal envisions Zipline drones flying from hubs to restaurants, lowering a tethered basket (the "Zipline" mechanism) to collect food, and then delivering it to customers' homes in a similar fashion. Matt Frankel raised a key concern: the economics. Drone delivery has historically been a money-loser, with Amazon's average drone delivery reportedly costing $30-$40. The question remains if Zipline can achieve profitability at scale, especially with an ambitious target of one million daily deliveries by 2029.
Tyler Crowe pointed out that Uber's history with autonomous delivery partnerships is mixed, having ended agreements with ground-based Serve Robotics and seen limited success with Israeli drone company Flytrex. This raises questions about what makes a successful company in this challenging industry.
Frankel stressed the need for economic viability and highlighted regulatory hurdles as these drones become more prevalent. He also emphasized the importance of diversified partnerships, learning from Serve Robotics' over-reliance on Uber. Quast argued Zipline might be "different this time" due to its extensive experience, having flown over 100 million autonomous miles in a niche industry, making it potentially ready for prime time. He pondered whether Uber, through Zipline, could enable small businesses to compete with Amazon's logistical moat. However, Amazon itself is expanding "Prime Air" to 500 cities, though early incidents like a drone dropping a package in a swimming pool suggest kinks still need to be worked out.
**Reader Question: EXP Holdings (AGNT) and the Real Estate Market**
The final segment addressed a question from a long-time listener, Irina Barova, about EXP Holdings (ticker AGNT), a cloud-based realtor Matt Frankel had recommended around 2020. Irina noted the investment hadn't been rewarding despite the dividend.
Frankel clarified that EXP (still the brand name) is performing well operationally despite a "frozen" real estate market. The company continues to gain market share, with Q2 revenue up 11% and sales volume up 15%, significantly outperforming the overall market. Adjusted EBITDA more than doubled, and the company is debt-free with $111 million in cash. Its 4.2% dividend yield is covered by cash flow.
He linked this to Berkshire Hathaway's bullish stance on housing (investing in Clayton Homes, Taylor Morrison, Lenar). While Berkshire leans into new homes, EXP's model, which offers better commission splits and equity awards to agents, continues to attract talent. The company is not GAAP profitable due to this extensive stock-based compensation to agents, a core part of its "agent-friendly" value proposition.
While EXP and similar models like Real Brokerage (REAX) might not seem "shareholder-friendly" due to high agent compensation, Frankel believes they are solid companies that could pay off nicely if the real estate market robustly recovers. He conceded that the stock-based compensation is higher than ideal as a percentage of revenue but maintained that the company is not a lost cause, though market-beating returns await a housing market rebound.