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这段讨论围绕着美国对华外交政策可能发生的变化及其影响展开,特别是对台湾的影响。 《星期日泰晤士报》专栏作家马克·厄本讨论了中国国家主席习近平近期在北京举行的阅兵式的重要意义。他认为这不仅是中国军事力量的展示,也是一次成功的外交活动,汇集了普京、莫迪、金正恩等领导人,将习近平置于全球事务的中心。
一个主要的争议点是美国战略思维可能发生的变化。厄本引用证据表明,美国可能正准备放弃长期以来将中国视为其主要世代挑战的想法。相反,特朗普政府可能会优先考虑国土防御。这种转变引起了不安,尤其是在台湾,台湾一直依赖美国在与中国发生冲突时的支持。美国会在关键时刻保护他们的这一想法不再是理所当然的。
讨论随后深入探讨了台湾复杂的政治格局。 厄本强调了一个悖论:国民党(KMT),这个曾经在中国内战中与共产党作战并退守台湾的政党,已经变得越来越亲北京。 虽然国民党通常支持台湾的民主存在,但在台湾议会中存在着一个重要的亲北京派系。 这造成了一种局面,即由总统领导的执政的民主进步党作为一个少数派政府运作。
这种政治分裂可能会被中国利用。 厄本提出了一个假设情景,即中国可能会加大对台湾的军事压力,例如拦截航运和航班,但不会发动全面战争。 在这种危机中,台湾的亲北京派系可能会主张缓和局势并与北京对话,从而可能导致两岸“软统一”。 这种利用已经包括中国多年来的政治基础工作和信息战。
这对美国外交政策的影响是重大的。 如果美国将重点从对抗中国转移到国土防御,这将代表着与此前理解的“重返亚洲”战略的重大背离,该战略是将资源重新配置以对抗中国的影响力。 如果美国选择从亚洲撤军,这将标志着美国政策的重大转变。
最近的其他事件进一步证实了这种可能的战略变化,例如潜在的关税上调,然后又退一步寻求与中国达成协议。 这可以解释为什么台湾国防部长访问华盛顿被阻止。
厄本随后回到了阅兵式,强调了中国在靠近中国大陆的对抗中超越美国的能力。 中国拥有大量的导弹储备、大量的战斗机和军舰,可能会在争夺台湾的冲突中压倒美军。 这显然导致五角大楼的一些人质疑美国成功干预的可行性。
总而言之,讨论强调了美国外交政策可能发生的转变,这可能使中国能够在没有全面战争的情况下对台湾施加更大的控制。 美国可能会选择优先考虑国土防御,而不是将对抗中国作为美国的主要安全目标。 厄本表示,这一决定尚未最终确定,因为五角大楼的一些人不同意这种做法。
This discussion revolves around a potential shift in US foreign policy concerning China, and its implications, particularly for Taiwan. Mark Urban, a columnist for the Sunday Times, discusses the significance of President Xi Jinping's recent military parade in Beijing. He suggests it was not only a display of China's military might but also a successful diplomatic event, bringing together leaders like Putin, Modi, and Kim Jong Un, positioning Xi at the center of global affairs.
A major point of contention is a potential change in US strategic thinking. Urban cites evidence suggesting the US might be preparing to abandon the long-held idea of China being its primary generational challenge. Instead, the Trump administration may prioritize homeland defense. This shift has caused unease, particularly in Taiwan, which has relied on US support in the event of a conflict with China. The key idea that America would defend them if push comes to shove is no longer a given.
The discussion then delves into the complex political landscape of Taiwan. Urban highlights a paradox: the Kuomintang (KMT), the party that once fought against the Communists in the Chinese Civil War and retreated to Taiwan, has become increasingly Beijing-friendly. While the KMT generally supports Taiwan's democratic existence, a significant pro-Beijing faction exists within the Taiwanese Parliament. This creates a scenario where the ruling Democratic Progressive Party, led by the president, operates as a minority government.
This political division could be exploited by China. Urban posits a scenario where China ratchets up military pressure on Taiwan, perhaps by intercepting shipping and flights, without initiating a full-scale war. In such a crisis, the pro-Beijing factions in Taiwan might advocate for de-escalation and dialogue with Beijing, potentially leading to a "soft union" of the two countries. This exploitation has involved China engaging in years of political ground work and information warfare.
The implications for US foreign policy are significant. If the US shifts its focus from confronting China to homeland defense, it would represent a major departure from the previously understood "pivot to Asia," where resources were being redirected to counter Chinese influence. If the US chooses to retreat militarily from Asia, it would signal a significant change in American policy.
This possible change in strategy is further substantiated by other recent events such as the potential tariffs hiking and then stepping back to seek a deal with China. It would explain the fact that a visit from the Taiwanese defense minister to Washington was stopped.
Urban then circles back to the military parade, emphasizing the potential for China to overmatch the US in a confrontation near the Chinese mainland. China's deep missile stocks, large numbers of fighters, and warships could overwhelm US forces in a conflict over Taiwan. This has apparently led some in the Pentagon to question the feasibility of a successful US intervention.
In summary, the discussion highlights a potential shift in US foreign policy that could allow China to exert greater control over Taiwan without a full-scale war. The US may choose to prioritize homeland defense over confronting China as the US' main security objective. The decision is not finalized as some in the Pentagon don't agree with this approach, according to Urban.