这段对国务卿马可·卢比奥的采访，重点关注特朗普政府的对外政策转变，特别是国务院内部的一次重大重组以及不断演变的全球秩序。采访者就这些变革背后的理由、政府在驱逐出境问题上的立场、伊朗的核计划、乌克兰战争、北约以及中国构成的迫在眉睫的挑战向卢比奥施压。 卢比奥为国务院的重组辩护，强调这主要不是为了削减成本，而是为了简化流程并提高政策有效性。他认为，当前这种区域问题和职能问题（如人权和民主）分别设立办公室的结构，造成了效率低下和延误。目标是将这些职能整合到区域局和大使馆中，从而形成一种更加平衡和细致的对外政策，既考虑到地缘政治现实，也考虑到理想主义目标。他认为，华盛顿特区不应该主导对外政策，各地区和大使馆应该平衡政策，其中包括人权、促进民主和其他相关问题。 关于驱逐出境，卢比奥澄清说，国务院的作用是确保外国政府接回那些非法滞留在美国的公民。他将非法移民人数的减少归功于政府的执法政策，这些政策震慑了潜在的移民。他坚持认为，政府优先驱逐最危险的罪犯，但也强调了要执行移民法的理念。 在伊朗问题上，卢比奥批评之前的核协议（JCPOA）存在缺陷，即给予伊朗立即解除制裁的待遇，以换取暂时的铀浓缩限制。他强调政府希望避免战争，但强调决心阻止伊朗获得核武器。他承认，对伊朗采取任何军事行动都可能引发更大范围的冲突，并表示必须防止战争，这就是目标。 卢比奥对解决乌克兰战争表示谨慎的希望，但也承认俄罗斯和乌克兰的立场存在巨大差异，并提到这是一场必须结束的可怕战争。他坚称，美国正在努力促成谈判，但承认最终成功取决于双方是否愿意妥协。虽然这不是美国的战争，但他表示美国正在努力解决这个问题。 在谈到对北约的担忧时，卢比奥肯定了该联盟的价值，但强调成员国需要贡献其应有的份额。他赞扬特朗普总统推动盟友增加国防开支，并将该组织视为防御的关键。 卢比奥谈到了关税的使用，认为它们既可以重建美国的关键产业，也可以迫使其他国家采取更公平的贸易做法。他承认关税会影响美国和中国的经济，并坚称与中国和其他国家的贸易失衡是不可持续的，在地缘政治上也是危险的。 最后，卢比奥承认全球秩序正在转变，并驳斥了美国衰落的说法。他将之前的衰落归因于过去的决定，如自由贸易协定、允许大规模移民以及美国与中国之间的贸易失衡。他坚决认为美国绝不能衰落。他认为，现任政府正在通过重建工业能力、奉行更加务实和平衡的对外政策以及明确界定国家的国家利益来解决这些问题。他断言，冷战后对自由贸易的关注削弱了关键产业，因此必须采取更加平衡的方法，并将时间和金钱花在需要的地方。他总结说，尽管存在各种各样的幽灵，但美国是世界上最慷慨的国家，并将继续通过适当的渠道向那些需要帮助的人提供帮助。

This interview with Secretary of State Marco Rubio focuses on the Trump administration's foreign policy shifts, particularly a major reorganization within the State Department and the evolving global order. The interviewer pressed Rubio on the rationale behind these changes, the administration's stance on deportations, Iran's nuclear program, the war in Ukraine, NATO, and the looming challenge of China. Rubio defends the State Department reorganization, emphasizing that it's not primarily about cost-cutting but about streamlining and improving policy effectiveness. He argues that the current structure, with separate offices for regional and functional issues (like human rights and democracy), creates inefficiencies and delays. The goal is to integrate these functions into regional bureaus and embassies, enabling a more balanced and nuanced foreign policy that considers both geopolitical realities and idealistic goals. He argues that Washington D.C. shouldn't be running foreign policy and that the regions and embassies should be balancing policy, which includes human rights, promotion of democracy and other related issues. Regarding deportations, Rubio clarifies that the State Department's role is to ensure foreign countries take back their citizens who are in the US illegally. He attributes the decrease in illegal immigration to the administration's enforcement policies, which deter potential migrants. He insists that the administration prioritizes the deportation of the most dangerous criminals, but reinforces the idea that the immigration laws are going to be enforced. On the topic of Iran, Rubio critiques the previous nuclear deal (JCPOA) as flawed, granting Iran immediate sanctions relief in exchange for temporary enrichment limitations. He emphasizes the administration's desire to avoid war, but underscores the determination to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. He acknowledges that any military action against Iran could trigger a broader conflict and states the fact that war needs to be prevented and that is the goal. Rubio expresses cautious hope for a resolution to the war in Ukraine, but acknowledges the vast differences in the positions of Russia and Ukraine, mentioning it is a terrible war that must end. He insists that the US is working to facilitate negotiations but acknowledges that ultimate success depends on the willingness of both parties to compromise. While this is not the country's war, he said that the U.S. is working to resolve it. Addressing concerns about NATO, Rubio affirms the alliance's value but stresses the need for member states to contribute their fair share. He credits President Trump with pushing allies to increase their defense spending and sees the organization as key to defense. Rubio addresses the use of tariffs, arguing that they serve both to rebuild critical American industries and to pressure other countries into more equitable trade practices. He acknowledges that tariffs impact both the US and Chinese economies and insists that the trade imbalance with China and other nations is unsustainable and geopolitically dangerous and dangerous. Finally, Rubio acknowledges the shifting global order and rejects the notion of American decline. He attributes the prior decline to past decisions such as free trade agreements, allowing for mass migration, and the trade imbalance the United States had with China. He is adamant that America must not be in decline. He argues that current administration is working to address those issues by rebuilding industrial capabilities, pursuing a more pragmatic and balanced foreign policy and clearly defining the country's national interest. He asserts that the post-Cold War focus on free trade has weakened critical industries, and that a more balanced approach is necessary and to spend time and money on what needs to be. He concludes that despite the specter of everything, the United States is the most generous country in the world and will continue to give to those who do it through the appropriate channels.