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发布时间:2025-03-19 21:15:37   原节目
这段文字记录了塔克·卡尔森和一位前美国贸易代表之间的对话,讨论了美国贸易体系的现状、其被认为的失败之处以及改革的必要性。这位贸易代表认为,现行的贸易体系已经彻底失败,导致巨额财富从美国转移到海外,经济增长放缓,美国技术领导地位下降,以及工人阶级的生活质量下降。 他解释说,贸易体系本应通过各国出口来进口,从而提高所有人的生活水平。然而,他认为,它已经演变成一种体系,其中少数国家(主要是美国)拥有开放的资本和贸易体系,而其他国家则奉行旨在积累财富并从美国获取资产和技术的产业政策,而不是改善其公民的生活水平。 这位贸易代表认为,最大的失败点是巨额贸易逆差,这代表着用当前的消费换取财富向海外转移。 这体现在美国负23.5万亿美元的国际投资头寸上,该头寸衡量了美国人在海外拥有的资产与所有其他人在美国拥有的资产相比。这意味着美国现在在这项指标上是“贫穷的”。 他回忆起沃伦·巴菲特对这一趋势和负国际投资头寸的警告,自巴菲特拉响警报以来,情况已经恶化。 他还声称,目前的体系已经减缓了美国的经济增长,他指出,自2000年以来,GDP增长超过3%的年份显著减少,这与“超全球化”时期相吻合。 他还强调了美国在个人电脑、半导体、稀土元素和太阳能电池板等几个关键领域的技术主导地位的丧失。 他认为创新伴随着制造业,因此去工业化促成了技术下滑。 他强调,最严重的后果是美国工人阶级的生活质量下降。他指出,失业、工资停滞以及由于酒精、毒品和自杀等因素导致该人群的预期寿命下降。 他强调了日益扩大的贫富差距,现在前1%的人口拥有的财富超过了中间60%的人口,颠覆了历史上以中产阶级为主的美国的观念。 他认为,这种趋势是社会不稳定和革命的根源。 他将这些失败归因于以下因素的结合:错误的意识形态、富人优先考虑利润而非美国工人的福祉,以及对最大化消费而非维护美国价值观和国家财富的信念。 此外,他还将一部分责任归咎于经济学家和政策制定者,他们坚持以超全球化和自由贸易为根基的意识形态,这种意识形态将价格优化置于国家安全和经济公平之上。 为了解决这些问题,这位贸易代表主张承认问题,将其他国家的产业政策确定为根本原因,并实施措施以抵消由此带来的不公平现象。 这些产业政策包括补贴制造业的银行体系、压低工资的劳工体系、补贴、拒绝市场准入和货币操纵。 他提出了三种可能的解决方案:出口-进口许可证、对返回美国购买资产的资金征税,或关税。 他认为关税是实现贸易平衡、抵消不公平现象以及将财富重新分配给美国工人阶级的最简单、最易理解和最灵活的工具。 他认为,美国需要强制执行贸易平衡来解决这些问题,而不仅仅是关注自由或公平贸易。 这将产生1万亿美元的国内生产总值,并有助于减少对外国实体的依赖。 他还承认,这些变化可能会造成中断和价格上涨,但他认为这些问题将是短期的,并且与振兴制造业、提高工资和更公平地分配财富所带来的好处相比,将会相形见绌。 他提倡与中国进行战略脱钩,强调平衡贸易、与盟友进行独立的技术开发以及规范投资。 他警告说,中国有可能通过旨在规避美国贸易法律的贸易政策来控制墨西哥。 他承认,他的许多想法与华盛顿长期以来的观点相悖,但他认为,传统民主党人有可能提供支持,并且获得两党支持将使变革和影响永久化。

This transcript captures a conversation between Tucker Carlson and a former U.S. Trade Representative, discussing the current state of the American trade system, its perceived failures, and the need for reform. The Trade Representative argues that the existing system has fundamentally failed, leading to a massive transfer of wealth from the United States overseas, slowed economic growth, a deterioration of American technological leadership, and a decline in the quality of life for the working class. He explains that the trade system is supposed to work by countries exporting to import, resulting in higher standards of living for all. However, he contends, it has evolved into a system where a few countries, primarily the U.S., have open capital and trading systems, while others pursue industrial policies designed to accumulate wealth and acquire assets and technology from the U.S., rather than improve the living standards of their citizens. The biggest failure point, according to the Trade Representative, is the massive trade deficit, which represents a transfer of wealth overseas in exchange for current consumption. This is reflected in the negative $23.5 trillion international investment position of the U.S., which measures how much Americans own overseas versus how much everyone else owns in America. This means America is now “poor” in that measurement. He recalls Warren Buffet’s warnings about this trend and negative international investment position, which has worsened since Buffett raised the red flag. He also asserts that the current system has slowed economic growth in the U.S., noting a significant decline in years with over 3% GDP growth since 2000, coinciding with a period of "hyper-globalization." He also highlights the loss of American technological dominance in several key sectors, from personal computers and semiconductors to rare earth elements and solar panels. He believes innovation comes alongside manufacturing and so the de-industrialization has contributed to the technological slide. The most significant consequence, he stresses, is the deterioration in the quality of life for the American working class. He points to job losses, stagnant wages, and a decline in life expectancy due to factors like alcohol, drugs, and suicide among this demographic. He emphasizes the widening wealth gap, where the top 1% now holds more wealth than the middle 60%, reversing the historic notion of a predominantly middle-class America. He argues that this trend is a recipe for social instability and revolution. He attributes these failures to a combination of misguided ideologies, wealthy individuals prioritizing profits over the well-being of American workers, and a belief in maximizing consumption rather than preserving American values and national wealth. In addition, he lays a portion of the blame on economists and policy makers for adhering to an ideology rooted in hyper-globalization and free trade that prioritizes price optimization over national security and economic equity. To address these issues, the Trade Representative advocates for acknowledging the problem, identifying industrial policies of other countries as the root cause, and implementing measures to offset the resulting unfairness. These industrial policies include banking systems that subsidize manufacturing, labor systems that suppress wages, subsidies, denial of market access, and currency manipulation. He suggests three potential solutions: export-import certificates, a tax on money returning to the U.S. to purchase assets, or tariffs. He believes tariffs are the simplest, most understood, and flexible tool for achieving balanced trade, offsetting unfairness, and redistributing wealth to the American working class. He argues the US needs to enforce trade balance to solve these issues and not just focus on free or fair trade. This would generate $1 trillion of domestic GDP and help reduce its reliance on foreign entities. He also acknowledges the potential for disruption and price increases due to these changes but believes these issues will be short-term and will be dwarfed by the benefits of a revitalized manufacturing sector, increased wages, and a more equitable distribution of wealth. He advocates for a strategic decoupling from China, emphasizing balanced trade, independent technology development with allies, and regulated investments. He warns of the potential for China to control Mexico through trade policies aimed at bypassing US trade laws. He acknowledges that many of his ideas put him at odds with a long-held view of Washington but contends that there is hope for support from traditional democrats and that achieving bi-partisan buy-in will make the changes and effects permanent.