Lex Fridman - Narendra Modi: Prime Minister of India - Power, Democracy, War & Peace | Lex Fridman Podcast #460
发布时间:2025-03-16 11:02:17
原节目
这段文字记录了与印度总理纳伦德拉·莫迪的一次深入对话,揭示了他的人生、哲学和领导力。对话伊始,莫迪谈论了他的精神修行,特别是禁食,他将其视为一种科学的过程,也是培养自律和内省的方式。他解释说,禁食如何增强他的感官,敏锐他的思维,并促进与内在自我的更深层次的联系。
对话深入探讨了莫迪的早年生活,追溯了他在古吉拉特邦一个小镇的卑微出身。他描述了在一个紧密的家庭中,在充满挑战的环境中成长,但从未感受到贫困的重压。他将自己强烈的职业道德和服务精神归功于他的父母以及童年时期灌输给他的价值观。他强调了耐心、毅力和自信对于在世界上努力寻找方向的年轻人的重要性。
他早期接触 RSS(国民志愿服务团)灌输了他这样的理念:国家高于一切,为人民服务就是为上帝服务。他还分享了他在喜马拉雅山脉深处探索时,寻求目标、更深层次的真理和上帝的经历、思想和感悟。他与圣人和精神大师的改变人生的经历使他进化到公共服务和责任的生活中,并使他能够将圣人和领导者视为相同,区别仅在于生活方式和角色。
对话触及了莫迪的政治生涯,强调了他将印度置于首位的承诺以及倡导全球和平与博爱。他讨论了他的外交政策方针,该方针以尊重其他国家和倡导人类福祉为中心。他分享了关于他与世界领导人关系的轶事,重点介绍了他与奥巴马总统和特朗普总统的互动。
对话涉及了印度和巴基斯坦之间复杂的关系,莫迪表达了他对该地区和平与稳定的希望。他回顾了他为促进与巴基斯坦的对话与合作所做的努力,同时承认了国家支持的恐怖主义和意识形态差异带来的挑战。他还表达了他对全球秩序的看法,这种秩序正在迅速转向更多的紧张、冲突、纷争,以及对争取持久和平的迫切需求。
他分享了他对印度经济的思考、观点和行动,以及过去十年中采取的许多改革措施,这些措施使国家走上了持续增长的轨道。莫迪坦率地讨论了2002年古吉拉特邦骚乱,强调他无意为之辩护,只想记录下该事件发生之前的事件。他承认这是一场悲剧,并坚称在过去的22年里,古吉拉特邦没有发生过一起重大骚乱。他表示,司法部门已经彻底调查了此事,并将正义施予了那些应负责任的人。他欢迎批评,同时指出真正基于事实和数据的批评,对于改进为公民所做的每一项决策都是非常必要的。谈话强调了他的选举胜利,他将此归功于印度人民对他的信任。他强调了他为人民服务的承诺,确保福利计划惠及每一位公民,并促进所有人的发展。
莫迪分享了他对人工智能 (AI) 的见解,强调了印度在这一领域成为领导者的潜力。他指出了印度庞大的工程师人才库和该国日益增长的技术能力。他表示,他相信人工智能开发从根本上讲是一种合作,印度的贡献对于其完整性至关重要。
对话探讨了莫迪的个人哲学、他的学习方法、他对死亡的思考以及他对人类未来的希望。他强调了活在当下、拥抱变化以及在为他人服务中寻找意义的重要性。总理及其对创造全球稳定的承诺贯穿整个对话,他为帮助国家所采取的行动令人钦佩。
这段文字以莫迪带领大家进行印度教祈祷结束,强调了和平和普遍福祉的重要性。
This transcript captures an extensive conversation with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, revealing insights into his life, philosophy, and leadership. The conversation begins with Modi discussing his spiritual practices, particularly fasting, which he views as a scientific process and a way to cultivate discipline and introspection. He explains how fasting enhances his senses, sharpens his thinking, and fosters a deeper connection with his inner self.
Modi's early life is explored, recounting his humble beginnings in a small town in Gujarat. He describes growing up in a close-knit family amidst challenging circumstances, but never feeling the burden of poverty. He attributes his strong work ethic and spirit of service to his parents and the values instilled in him during his childhood. He emphasizes the importance of patience, perseverance, and self-confidence for young people struggling to find their way in the world.
His early exposure to RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) instilled in him the idea that the nation is everything and serving people is serving God. He also shares experiences, thoughts and learnings as he traversed into the depths of Himalayan mountains, seeking purpose, deeper truth and God. His life transforming experiences with saints and spiritual masters enabled him to evolve into a public life of service and responsibility and enabled him to see saint and leaders as the same with only the lifestyle and role being the difference.
The conversation touches upon Modi's political journey, emphasizing his commitment to putting India first and championing global peace and brotherhood. He discusses his foreign policy approach, which centers on respecting other nations and advocating for the welfare of mankind. He shares anecdotes about his relationships with world leaders, highlighting his interactions with President Obama and President Trump.
The complex relationship between India and Pakistan is addressed, with Modi expressing his hope for peace and stability in the region. He recounts his efforts to foster dialogue and cooperation with Pakistan, while acknowledging the challenges posed by state-sponsored terrorism and ideological differences. He also expresses his viewpoint on the global order, which is rapidly shifting towards more tensions, strife, conflicts and the dire need to strive for lasting peace.
He shares his thoughts, perspectives and actions on India’s economy and the many reforms taken in the last decade that has put the nation on a continuous growth trajectory. Modi candidly discusses the 2002 Gujarat riots, emphasizing that he does not intend to defend it but only wants to put on the record the events that preceded the event. He acknowledges the tragedy and insists that there has not been a single major riot in Gujarat in 22 years. He states that the judiciary has thoroughly investigated the matter and delivered justice to those responsible. He welcomes the critics while pointing out that actual criticism, which is well-informed with facts and data, is much needed to improve on every single decision taken for the citizens. The talk highlights his election victories, which he attributes to the trust placed in him by the people of India. He stresses his commitment to serving the people, ensuring welfare schemes reach every citizen, and promoting development for all.
Modi shares his insights on artificial intelligence (AI), emphasizing India's potential to become a leader in the field. He points to India's vast talent pool of engineers and the country's growing technological capabilities. He expresses his belief that AI development is fundamentally a collaboration and that India's contributions are essential for its completeness.
The conversation explores Modi's personal philosophy, his approach to learning, his reflections on mortality, and his hopes for the future of humanity. He emphasizes the importance of being present in the moment, embracing change, and finding meaning in service to others. The prime minister and his commitment to creating global stability is a theme throughout the conversation and the actions taken by him to help his nation is one to be admired.
The transcript concludes with Modi leading a Hindu prayer, emphasizing the importance of peace and universal well-being.