Paul Singer, founder of Elliott Management, one of the world’s most prominent activist investment firms, engages in a conversation about his approach to investing and the philosophy driving his success. Singer defines activist investing as acquiring a substantial equity stake in a company and actively engaging with its management to enhance value through measures like management changes, capital structure adjustments, and improved strategic deployment of assets.
Singer notes that the increasing popularity of passive or index investing has led to diminished active engagement from investors, creating opportunities for firms like Elliott Management to play a more significant role in corporate governance. The firm's process involves extensive research, encompassing diverse sources, including former employees, customers, and industry analysts, to thoroughly understand the target company's culture, management, and board dynamics.
The ideal scenario for Elliott is a company where there's already some internal recognition of the need for change but inertia or conflicting interests have prevented it. He calls this an open door. Singer emphasizes that companies generally do engage with Elliott upon their approach, recognizing the firm's significant capital base ($72 billion) and deal-making capabilities. Elliott's approach varies, sometimes involving public disclosures of positions, other times confidential engagement with the company. They are not crusaders, but dealmakers and their thesis should add value.
Singer measures successful outcomes as achieving a substantial portion of their objectives and seeing the company's stock price reflect the added value over time. This is not short termism as they are looking for enterprise value. He estimates they add value in almost 100% of their engagements with 70% of those translating into action in structural changes. He points out that fewer and fewer people are acting like owners and the Elliott style of investing is enhancing the possibility for companies to service their customers.
While Singer acknowledges that his firm is often portrayed as attacking companies, he insists on acting as a responsible owner, advocating for accountability and benefiting all shareholders through improved corporate governance. He points out they are an absolute return fund rather than just an activist fund, and in the event of a downturn Elliott can still make money.
He notes the importance of avoiding losses, drawing from his early experiences as a psychology major trading speculative stocks with his father, which culminated in significant financial losses. He learned from that devastation. Preventing losses preserves judgment during times of opportunity and builds a ratchet effect of capital.
Singer highlights instances where investments didn't go as planned, attributing them to missed risks or inadequate hedging strategies. He shares a specific case involving Japanese inflation-linked bonds, where a misunderstanding of the pricing dynamics led to substantial losses.
Regarding the state of stock markets, Singer expresses concern over the current high-risk environment, fueled by prolonged periods without major market corrections, excessive leverage, and risky behavior by both companies and governments. He questions the sustainability of negative interest rate policies and the combination of near-zero interest rates with high deficit spending. He believes the current value of AI is extremely over-exaggerated.
Singer also touches on cryptocurrency markets, questioning the implications of government support for cryptocurrencies as alternatives to sovereign currencies like the US dollar, especially when numerous countries dislike the dollar's privilege as the world's reserve currency.
Despite his success, Singer doesn't describe his work as "fun," preferring outdoor activities like skiing and sailing for recreation. He continues to engage with the investment world due to its intellectually stimulating nature and the challenges it presents. For burnout is largely because people have their emotions drained by adversity.
Reflecting on his long career, Singer values the wisdom and experience gained over time, which contribute to better judgment and decision-making. When discussing the Argentina debt crisis, he argues that they weren't patient, because Argentina never accepted their offer to negotiate a settlement.
Singer advises young people pursuing business careers to prioritize a broad, classic liberal education, emphasizing the importance of history, political science, philosophy, and religion over specializing in business courses too early. He believes this approach equips individuals with a wider perspective and critical thinking skills necessary to navigate the complexities of the world.