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Norges Bank Investment Management - Paul Singer | Podcast | In Good Company | Norges Bank Investment Management

发布时间:2025-02-26 06:00:42   原节目
以下是内容的中文翻译: 保罗·辛格,埃利奥特管理公司(Elliott Management)的创始人,该公司是全球最著名的激进投资公司之一。他深入探讨了他的投资方法以及驱动其成功的理念。辛格将激进投资定义为:收购一家公司的大量股权,并积极与管理层互动,通过诸如管理层变动、资本结构调整和改进资产战略部署等措施来提升公司价值。 辛格指出,被动型或指数型投资日益普及,导致投资者的主动参与度下降,这为像埃利奥特管理公司这样的公司创造了机会,使其在公司治理中发挥更重要的作用。该公司的流程涉及广泛的研究,涵盖包括前雇员、客户和行业分析师在内的多种来源,以彻底了解目标公司的文化、管理和董事会动态。 埃利奥特的理想情景是一家公司内部已经意识到需要变革,但惯性或利益冲突阻碍了变革的发生。他称之为“敞开的大门”。辛格强调,公司通常会主动与埃利奥特接触,因为他们认识到该公司庞大的资本基础(720亿美元)和交易能力。埃利奥特的策略因情况而异,有时会公开披露持仓,有时则与公司进行保密的沟通。他们不是十字军,而是交易撮合者,他们的投资理论应该能增加价值。 辛格将成功的结果定义为:实现其大部分目标,并看到公司股价随着时间的推移反映出增加的价值。这不是短视行为,因为他们关注的是企业价值。他估计,他们在几乎100%的参与中都增加了价值,其中70%转化为结构性变革的行动。他指出,越来越少的人像所有者一样行事,而埃利奥特的投资风格正在提高公司服务客户的能力。 虽然辛格承认他的公司经常被描绘成攻击公司,但他坚持以负责任的所有者身份行事,倡导问责制,并通过改善公司治理使所有股东受益。他指出,他们是一个绝对回报基金,而不仅仅是一个激进基金,即使在经济低迷时期,埃利奥特仍然可以赚钱。 他指出避免损失的重要性,这源于他早年作为心理学专业的学生与父亲交易投机股票的经历,最终导致了重大的财务损失。他从那场灾难中吸取了教训。在机会来临时,防止损失可以保持判断力,并建立起资本的棘轮效应。 辛格强调了一些投资未能按计划进行的情况,将原因归结为错失的风险或对冲策略不足。他分享了一个涉及日本通胀挂钩债券的具体案例,其中对定价动态的误解导致了重大损失。 关于股票市场的现状,辛格对当前的高风险环境表示担忧,这种环境是由长期没有重大市场调整、过度杠杆以及公司和政府的冒险行为所推动的。他质疑负利率政策的可持续性,以及接近零利率与高赤字支出的结合。他认为目前人工智能的价值被过度夸大。 辛格还谈到了加密货币市场,质疑政府支持加密货币作为美元等主权货币的替代品的影响,特别是当许多国家不喜欢美元作为世界储备货币的特权时。 尽管取得了成功,辛格并不认为他的工作是“有趣的”,他更喜欢滑雪和航海等户外活动来放松身心。他继续参与投资领域,因为它的智力刺激性和它带来的挑战。对大多数人而言,倦怠主要是因为人们的情绪被逆境耗尽。 回顾他漫长的职业生涯,辛格珍视随着时间推移获得的智慧和经验,这有助于更好地判断和决策。在谈到阿根廷债务危机时,他认为他们并非没有耐心,因为阿根廷从未接受他们提出的谈判解决方案的提议。 辛格建议那些追求商业事业的年轻人优先考虑广泛的、经典的博雅教育,强调历史、政治学、哲学和宗教的重要性,而不是过早地专注于商业课程。他认为,这种方法能让个人具备更广阔的视角和批判性思维能力,从而应对世界的复杂性。

Paul Singer, founder of Elliott Management, one of the world’s most prominent activist investment firms, engages in a conversation about his approach to investing and the philosophy driving his success. Singer defines activist investing as acquiring a substantial equity stake in a company and actively engaging with its management to enhance value through measures like management changes, capital structure adjustments, and improved strategic deployment of assets. Singer notes that the increasing popularity of passive or index investing has led to diminished active engagement from investors, creating opportunities for firms like Elliott Management to play a more significant role in corporate governance. The firm's process involves extensive research, encompassing diverse sources, including former employees, customers, and industry analysts, to thoroughly understand the target company's culture, management, and board dynamics. The ideal scenario for Elliott is a company where there's already some internal recognition of the need for change but inertia or conflicting interests have prevented it. He calls this an open door. Singer emphasizes that companies generally do engage with Elliott upon their approach, recognizing the firm's significant capital base ($72 billion) and deal-making capabilities. Elliott's approach varies, sometimes involving public disclosures of positions, other times confidential engagement with the company. They are not crusaders, but dealmakers and their thesis should add value. Singer measures successful outcomes as achieving a substantial portion of their objectives and seeing the company's stock price reflect the added value over time. This is not short termism as they are looking for enterprise value. He estimates they add value in almost 100% of their engagements with 70% of those translating into action in structural changes. He points out that fewer and fewer people are acting like owners and the Elliott style of investing is enhancing the possibility for companies to service their customers. While Singer acknowledges that his firm is often portrayed as attacking companies, he insists on acting as a responsible owner, advocating for accountability and benefiting all shareholders through improved corporate governance. He points out they are an absolute return fund rather than just an activist fund, and in the event of a downturn Elliott can still make money. He notes the importance of avoiding losses, drawing from his early experiences as a psychology major trading speculative stocks with his father, which culminated in significant financial losses. He learned from that devastation. Preventing losses preserves judgment during times of opportunity and builds a ratchet effect of capital. Singer highlights instances where investments didn't go as planned, attributing them to missed risks or inadequate hedging strategies. He shares a specific case involving Japanese inflation-linked bonds, where a misunderstanding of the pricing dynamics led to substantial losses. Regarding the state of stock markets, Singer expresses concern over the current high-risk environment, fueled by prolonged periods without major market corrections, excessive leverage, and risky behavior by both companies and governments. He questions the sustainability of negative interest rate policies and the combination of near-zero interest rates with high deficit spending. He believes the current value of AI is extremely over-exaggerated. Singer also touches on cryptocurrency markets, questioning the implications of government support for cryptocurrencies as alternatives to sovereign currencies like the US dollar, especially when numerous countries dislike the dollar's privilege as the world's reserve currency. Despite his success, Singer doesn't describe his work as "fun," preferring outdoor activities like skiing and sailing for recreation. He continues to engage with the investment world due to its intellectually stimulating nature and the challenges it presents. For burnout is largely because people have their emotions drained by adversity. Reflecting on his long career, Singer values the wisdom and experience gained over time, which contribute to better judgment and decision-making. When discussing the Argentina debt crisis, he argues that they weren't patient, because Argentina never accepted their offer to negotiate a settlement. Singer advises young people pursuing business careers to prioritize a broad, classic liberal education, emphasizing the importance of history, political science, philosophy, and religion over specializing in business courses too early. He believes this approach equips individuals with a wider perspective and critical thinking skills necessary to navigate the complexities of the world.